Religion Ban

[ellieharp]

Hi everyone, Ive just had to write my post again cos I lost it but anyway, here goes; As regards the prophecy of religion being banned in the last days, I was wondering if thats actually happening now, or the beginnings of it at least. With terrorism being a global threat and with most terrorists proclaiming to be Muslims would there come a time when it would be banned and could that be the start then do you think of a global ban on religion to prevent wars? Your insight and opinions would be most welcomed. Thank you.

[Nambo]

Hi everyone, Ive just had to write my post again cos I lost it but anyway, here goes; As regards the prophecy of religion being banned in the last days, I was wondering if thats actually happening now, or the beginnings of it at least. With terrorism being a global threat and with most terrorists proclaiming to be Muslims would there come a time when it would be banned and could that be the start then do you think of a global ban on religion to prevent wars? Your insight and opinions would be most welcomed. Thank you.[/b]

I will leave others to give thier views here Ellieharp as I just gave my views on the "Underestimating BTG thread.

Just to point out where you state "most terrorists proclaiming to be Muslims", you will in fact find most Muslims including Bin Laden who allways insisted he had nothing to do with 911, most Muslims consider Terrorism to be done by Western Governments with the aim of discrediting and ultimately wiping out all religion in order to impose thier own Satanic religion on us.

Its part of thier end of days belief system that this will happen.

A bit like Jehovahs Witnesses actually, fully expecting governments to turn on religion and destroy it, but then when they see it happening in front of thier very eyes, they cannot except it.

[Jeshurun]

What I've observed is that each year, Anti-Christian sentiment grows, for instance when many of the department stores and Wal-Marts of the world decided to drop "Merry Christmas", and then there was the conservative backlash from that. To me it's indicative of the last couple of generations growing up into positions of power. They have not had a religious upbringing, but an atheistic one, founded in Darwinism.

It's only a matter of time before world opinion about religion completely sways against it, as the older folks die off and have less influence. Eventually I think that would happen even without further prodding by the "elite".

I've been reading articles about how they have completely undermined public education, creating a new generation of pliable "dummies" who have not been trained to think on their own, but have been trained to completely disregard morality and anything "righteous". They have also attempted to brainwash the masses into being useless lumps of flesh by using the media to feed utter nonsense to everyone. Just a quick peek at daytime television is testimony to this.

The "war on terror" is the excuse to bring on their global hegemony. The "elite" members on the Muslim side must also be in on the conspiracy, otherwise they would expose the true source of radical Muslim ideology, which is the "elite" themselves.

[Sketch]

I don't know if the world has become anti-CHRISTIAN, but it definitely has become anti-fundamentalist... but i think that is do mainly to he fact that "fundies" don't leave room for personal interpretation. Its THEIR WAY or the HIGHWAY...for or against... doesn't this attitude remind you of a certain group?? hmmmmm?? maybe a group you know.... PERSONALLY???

"Fundies" have a way of turning people off simply because of their attitudes, regardless of their actual beliefs.... thats my take on it anyway... you can take or leave it.... er... i mean.... uh .... oy... lay down with dogs... ;)

[olrono]

That is why we had 911, and Christians are really going to be persecuted, in their belief that is.

[Kenneth]

Anti-religion can grow as much as it likes it will make no difference to the religious climate; in fact it appears that religion is on the increase, especially new age religion. Yesterday's Watchtower was another example of the mindset that the banning of religion is near and it will trigger off the start of GT. As if one-day we are all going to wake up and the UN say's that's it we've band religion, who will take any notice of that very few religions, for them it will be business as usual.

However, when the GT does start with nation rising against nation and the seventh head has receive its death stroke, and we see the rise of the eighth king coming out of the abyss with religion riding on its back, then and only then does it turn on religion. For now there's nothing on the political horizon to suggest this is going to happen.

Kenneth

<span style="color:#0000ff">"When men destroy their old gods they will find new ones to take their place"
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[ellieharp]

I don&#39;t know if the world has become anti-CHRISTIAN, but it definitely has become anti-fundamentalist... but i think that is do mainly to he fact that "fundies" don&#39;t leave room for personal interpretation. Its THEIR WAY or the HIGHWAY...for or against... doesn&#39;t this attitude remind you of a certain group?? hmmmmm?? maybe a group you know.... PERSONALLY???

I agree with you Sketch on that point. I do think that if there was a little more leeway then it would be much more accepted but i guess its the same with every religion really. Every one believes that they have the true religion so I dont blame people when they dont answer the door to JWs especially if they have their own faith but the door to door work does have a lot of success as well of course. When I was called on years ago, I was at a point in my life where I needed answers and spiritual food and they gave me both at the time. I do see that we are in a time where religion is much more topical and newsworthy because of what has happened and there is a backlash. Take the banning of religious icons like the crucifix at British Airways and the debate about muslims being allowed to wear scarves. I think I may have mentioned that my dad is a Methodist minister and he has a religious sticker on the back of his car. A few weeks ago as he was parking, someone complained about it and said he shouldnt be displaying his beliefs like that. Thats just another indication of religious intolerance that I can only see growing worse.

[Sketch]

well, a religious bumper sticker is still safer than a political one... at least in the US... in the DC area...

[shira]

I was watching some videos of former JW&#39;s on youtube, and one young lady who left and became an atheist had a particular video she had made. In general, it equated people who believe in an Armageddon or Biblical end times prophecies, who hope or pray for such a time to come where God&#39;s will is done on earth, which events would include the deaths of many people on earth, with Nazi&#39;s and genocide and most despicable hate ideologies. She said that in some parts of the world it is illegal to speak certain things concerning the Holocaust, so too should it be illegal to speak or teach such things as the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses do about a coming Armageddon and human deaths involved. And she was not some ranting nutjob but a well spoken, intelligent young lady.

It was all very chilling, and to me so very blatantly demonic. It opened my eyes very well to a likely possibility of one way religion may be persecuted.

She also made her case, as one who believes in evolution, that to believe in any life of value after this one such as in a future resurrection, is the greatest child abuse tragedy children can be taught because it teaches them to devalue this one life we are given. This life was held as the greatest sacred. My skin crawled as she spoke so mournfully of how "very, very sad, so sad sad sad" it made her that children in the world are being taught such hateful lies as Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, that people anywhere believe there is actually anything greater in existence than our own selves.

[Molly]

I was watching some videos of former JW&#39;s on youtube, and one young lady who left and became an atheist had a particular video she had made. In general, it equated people who believe in an Armageddon or Biblical end times prophecies, who hope or pray for such a time to come where God&#39;s will is done on earth, which events would include the deaths of many people on earth, with Nazi&#39;s and genocide and most despicable hate ideologies. She said that in some parts of the world it is illegal to speak certain things concerning the Holocaust, so too should it be illegal to speak or teach such things as the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses do about a coming Armageddon and human deaths involved. And she was not some ranting nutjob but a well spoken, intelligent young lady.

It was all very chilling, and to me so very blatantly demonic. It opened my eyes very well to a likely possibility of one way religion may be persecuted.

She also made her case, as one who believes in evolution, that to believe in any life of value after this one such as in a future resurrection, is the greatest child abuse tragedy children can be taught because it teaches them to devalue this one life we are given. This life was held as the greatest sacred. My skin crawled as she spoke so mournfully of how "very, very sad, so sad sad sad" it made her that children in the world are being taught such hateful lies as Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, that people anywhere believe there is actually anything greater in existence than our own selves.[/b]


Hi Shira-

The hatred of hate crimes appears to now be in vogue. There are hate crimes for racism, homosexuality, and of course, religion. We can only expect that it will continue and expand. Due to the extreme values of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses regarding all other religions and homosexuality, it only seems reasonable to me that they eventually will be charged with some hate crime or other, not because they are scripturally wrong, but because that is the wave of societal pressure.

Molly

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[The Bible Student]

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[FaithfulJW]

<div class='quotemain'>I was watching some videos of former JW&#39;s on youtube, and one young lady who left and became an atheist had a particular video she had made. In general, it equated people who believe in an Armageddon or Biblical end times prophecies, who hope or pray for such a time to come where God&#39;s will is done on earth, which events would include the deaths of many people on earth, with Nazi&#39;s and genocide and most despicable hate ideologies. She said that in some parts of the world it is illegal to speak certain things concerning the Holocaust, so too should it be illegal to speak or teach such things as the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses do about a coming Armageddon and human deaths involved. And she was not some ranting nutjob but a well spoken, intelligent young lady.

It was all very chilling, and to me so very blatantly demonic. It opened my eyes very well to a likely possibility of one way religion may be persecuted.

She also made her case, as one who believes in evolution, that to believe in any life of value after this one such as in a future resurrection, is the greatest child abuse tragedy children can be taught because it teaches them to devalue this one life we are given. This life was held as the greatest sacred. My skin crawled as she spoke so mournfully of how "very, very sad, so sad sad sad" it made her that children in the world are being taught such hateful lies as Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, that people anywhere believe there is actually anything greater in existence than our own selves.[/b]


Hi Shira-

The hatred of hate crimes appears to now be in vogue. There are hate crimes for racism, homosexuality, and of course, religion. We can only expect that it will continue and expand. Due to the extreme values of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses regarding all other religions and homosexuality, it only seems reasonable to me that they eventually will be charged with some hate crime or other, not because they are scripturally wrong, but because that is the wave of societal pressure.

Molly
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Two Kingdom halls in our area have been burned.

[Molly]

Two Kingdom halls in our area have been burned.[/b]

Hi FaithfulJW-

The one I used to go to in Phoenix was probably one of them.

Molly

[panda]

Could it be that the ban could be on what we preach, Gods Kingdom, and in place more emphasis on the achievements of the UN. The man of lawlessness has to be reveled and maybe this way it will separate those that will do what the WTBTS says and those that will obey the message of preaching Gods Kingdom. cynical I know but just a thought.

[shira]

Could it be that the ban could be on what we preach, Gods Kingdom, and in place more emphasis on the achievements of the UN. The man of lawlessness has to be reveled and maybe this way it will separate those that will do what the WTBTS says and those that will obey the message of preaching Gods Kingdom. cynical I know but just a thought.[/b]

It&#39;s so hard seeing some very good, truly sincere, people so far just following in lockstep with the society. I have several dear friends left and I can&#39;t imagine it could come to being enemies with them, if they actually end up choosing the wt over Jehovah.

[Sketch]

Could it be that the ban could be on what we preach, Gods Kingdom, and in place more emphasis on the achievements of the UN.[/b]

then its a good thing the WTS has some experience preaching about the virtues of the United Nations....

[Eyes & Ears]

And there we have it from OUR SKETCHER!!! :ban_dance01: :applaudit: :icon_razz: . Sketcher, aha, so someone was able to draw you out huh. I sure do miss you when you are away. Your humor in your expressions makes my day.

You Keep hold n on OKEY DOKEY Sketcher.

With Love,

E & E

[panda]

I just think that some b/s are so blind to the WTBTS that they would believe anything they proposed. They are conditioned to believe all that they are told from the tower is 100% truth. Just as many who know about the ngo, don&#39;t see anything wrong and believe the WT excuse, and any evidence is apostate.

But when all is revealed or the man of lawlessness is revealed will they still be blinded just as trinitarians are blinded to the truth.

[FaithfulJW]

<div class='quotemain'>Two Kingdom halls in our area have been burned.[/b]

Hi FaithfulJW-

The one I used to go to in Phoenix was probably one of them.

Molly
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Well if you went to Arrowhead it would be. The other was just reciently in Mesa.

[Molly]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Two Kingdom halls in our area have been burned.[/b]

Hi FaithfulJW-

The one I used to go to in Phoenix was probably one of them.

Molly
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Well if you went to Arrowhead it would be. The other was just reciently in Mesa.
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That was one of the congregations that went to that Hall when I was there. There were 4 congregations that attended that Hall when I left Phoenix. I went to Sunrise Mountain which was assigned to that Hall at the time I left.

Molly

[FaithfulJW]

That was one of the congregations that went to that Hall when I was there. There were 4 congregations that attended that Hall when I left Phoenix. I went to Sunrise Mountain which was assigned to that Hall at the time I left.

Molly[/b]

Know it well I helped build the first one. The regional building commitee and the brothers in our area that qualify built the second one.
It&#39;s all different now I liked it when the whole congregation physcialy built the Kingdom hall themselves. I helped build about 10 or so halls, I guess, when they started pulling in trades from all around our circut. One that I helped with was the one I went too. Moon Valley. I haven&#39;t been there now for about 8 years. I attend one further west now.