Jehovah's Witnesses Only?

[Gabriel]

I just left the WatchTower's web site....they have an article about those who were presicuted for their political neutrality. Im wondering....were there any other religeous organizations who were will known for doing the same thing or is this phenomenon unique only to Jehovahs Witnesses?

[Sketch]

....were there any other religeous organizations who were will known for doing the same thing or is this phenomenon unique only to Jehovahs Witnesses?[/b]

you mean like Jews in WWII or Sikhs in India in the 1970s or the Mormons in the 1830s & 1850s, or christians in Malaysia in the 90's? or ANY religion other than Islam in hardline islamic countries?

Persecution happens to EVERY religion at some point or other. The only difference is how loud they scream "Persecution!!!!"

the WTS "political neutrality" is an oxymoron... the individual's is another matter... Take for instance the individuals in the Spanish inquisition who refused to let the church sway them. or even those in the salem witch trials... a so-called "Theocracy" becomes the govenment and then political neutrality is gone.

[Gabriel]

Wow sketch....I wasnt aware of that! Then why do JW's use that as a sign of True Christianity? Im very impressed that our brothers and sisters were able to stand up in the face of STRONG OPPOSISTION, However the way the articles are written, it makes it appear as tho this is something only unique to Jehovahs Witnesses. They always make notes of someone in the past who helped with spreading certain kingdom truths...why not mention others who also shared in the presicution as well for their Loyalty to God? Would not Jehovah be pleased with anyone who showed loyalty in this regard? Why make it sound as thogh we're so unique?

[Berean]

There's a very informative news site that discusses human rights violations called Forum 18 (http://www.forum18.org/) (I hope it's okay to post that link). You can read there that, yes, Jehovah's Witnesses are targeted a lot by authorities in Eastern Europe and Asia, but they're not the only ones. Baptists, the Salvation Army, Protestant groups and other religious groups are also often persecuted for various reasons.

[Sketch]

Why make it sound as thogh we're so unique?[/b]

It's good for business I guess... every religion does the same thing, so they are all unique... just like everyone else...

[renewed]

<div class='quotemain'>Why make it sound as thogh we&#39;re so unique?[/b]

It&#39;s good for business I guess... every religion does the same thing, so they are all unique... just like everyone else...
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Brian to the crowd of Jews "You are all different!", crowd yells back to Brian "We are all different!", lonely old man in crowds yells "I&#39;m not." :spamafote:

[stayawake]

John 17 : is a personal prayer between Father and son. In this chapter Jesus is very concerned about leaving his deciples, knowing as he said, to his Father that they hated him ( Jesus ) therefore they his( brothers ) would also be hated. ,Jesus was speaking of the adopted sons of God.
(but same princible would also apply to the other sheep as being no part of the world )

So of course those who claim to be Jesus deciples ,( christendem ) would also claim this chapter as applying to them.

The sad thing is , the GB did become part of the world when they became partners with the UN, they lost that claim that they ( GB )were no part of the world,
No longer virgins. No longer spotless James 4:4
There fore no longer a part of the body of Christ
and missed out as being part of the Bride, to which Jesus was praying in behalf of in John 17 : chapter.

love stayawake

[Sketch]

Brian to the crowd of Jews "You are all different!", crowd yells back to Brian "We are all different!", lonely old man in crowds yells "I&#39;m not." :spamafote:[/b]

Monty Python = Good Times!!

[Jahsdisciple]

I often think of the israelites leaving Egypt after the 10 plagues. There was the Israelites who had a basic understanding of Jah but had been slaves and maybe they had lost some of their faith. They hadnt heard from him in a long time. They knew He was the father of their ancestors but hadnt &#39;seen&#39; it for themselves.

Then there were the Egyptians who did not believe but had all their &#39;gods&#39; humiliated by Jahs power. We dont know exactly(i think ) how many came out of Egypt that were non Israelites,but enough to make a great crowd.

Both national groups were polarised by the plagues,the egyptians more so. But those with the right heart saw this as proof about who the real God was.

To me this is what will happen when the sign of the son of man appears. The israelites were slaves and had a miserable existance and had little time to really think about Jah,while the egyptians trusted their gods/national structure.

When that sign appears it will be obvious somehow that it will be the sign of Micheal and this will mean a choice about our &#39;calling on the name of jehovah" even the people who are in "Egypt" who are caught up in the rat race of making money and blindly going along with it.

This sign will help those with a receptive heart to make that choice to call on Jahs name,just as many from Egypt now made Jah their God after seeing the 10 signs. They wernt Israelites,but Jah accepted them because their actions were like calling on Jahs name.

Many will call on Jahs name who have not before and many who arent JWs will call on his name,weather symbolically or by voice...we dont yet how that will work. But it will be countless enough to be a great crowd. There will be plenty who have their reasons for not being JWs or who have been,BUT it will be between us and Micheal and Jah because it will be our feelings for them that will be revealed. We will be calling on the name of Jah..not anyone else or through anyone else..only through Micheal.

[DoubtingThomas]

Amen Jahsdisciple! These have been my long-held beliefs too. I concurr fully with your thoughts on how the end-game will play out and peoples/mankind will be judged. And this is scripturally based on how salvation was gained by the great crowd who followed the Jews out of Egypt were saved too. Great post!

DT

[IrishDragonfly]

I often think of the israelites leaving Egypt after the 10 plagues. There was the Israelites who had a basic understanding of Jah but had been slaves and maybe they had lost some of their faith. They hadnt heard from him in a long time. They knew He was the father of their ancestors but hadnt &#39;seen&#39; it for themselves.

Then there were the Egyptians who did not believe but had all their &#39;gods&#39; humiliated by Jahs power. We dont know exactly(i think ) how many came out of Egypt that were non Israelites,but enough to make a great crowd.

Both national groups were polarised by the plagues,the egyptians more so. But those with the right heart saw this as proof about who the real God was.

To me this is what will happen when the sign of the son of man appears. The israelites were slaves and had a miserable existance and had little time to really think about Jah,while the egyptians trusted their gods/national structure.

When that sign appears it will be obvious somehow that it will be the sign of Micheal and this will mean a choice about our &#39;calling on the name of jehovah" even the people who are in "Egypt" who are caught up in the rat race of making money and blindly going along with it.

This sign will help those with a receptive heart to make that choice to call on Jahs name,just as many from Egypt now made Jah their God after seeing the 10 signs. They wernt Israelites,but Jah accepted them because their actions were like calling on Jahs name.

Many will call on Jahs name who have not before and many who arent JWs will call on his name,weather symbolically or by voice...we dont yet how that will work. But it will be countless enough to be a great crowd. There will be plenty who have their reasons for not being JWs or who have been,BUT it will be between us and Micheal and Jah because it will be our feelings for them that will be revealed. We will be calling on the name of Jah..not anyone else or through anyone else..only through Micheal.[/b]


I&#39;ve thought that for a long time, even through my various stages of spirituality and religion/church hopping. I never could explain it as eloquently as you did. Well said.

[Jahsdisciple]

Thanks DT. Im so looking for that to happen !! If the plagues were an obvious miracle that made it clear that Jah WAS acting on such an important occasion,surely when the "the war Jah will bring" is upon us,I dont think its unreasonable to expect a miracle of some kind that will make a choice an easy thing to do.

He will be stepping in,as opposed to not being able to do anything up till now so the &#39;issue&#39; is resolved.

I like what Paul said"then we will see him just as He is" I know that refers to the annointed being in heaven and actually seeing Him personally,but to me that revealing throught the "sign of the son of man" will be like seeing Him in that it will obviously be from Him. There will be no doubts instead of almost guessing sometimes...man i hate that ! It will be nice for there to be no ambaguity on this point !! Cheers .JD.