Where Satan Resided After His Cast Out

[ellieharp]

Hi everyone. I hope you're not getting too fed up with me and my queiries but Ive always wondered where Satan went after he fell from his angelic state and tempted Eve. Did he stay in the heavely realms or was he somewhere else. I know he must have been in contact with Jehovah because Of what happened with Job but after his fall surely Jehovah couldnt let him stay with all the other angels? Thank you.

[Nambo]

Dont recall the Bible actually telling us Ellieharp so we will have to use conjecture I think.

Maybe Heavens a really big place, like maybe the size of the Universe?
Maybe all the Angels each get thier own star or something, when you consider how the false gods where often associated with planetary bodies and the like, and astrology.

The New Age Religion and UFOs and all that balany go on about Sirus the Dog Star and it is said that the passages in the Egyptian Pyramids line up with sirus with the result it acts like a huge telescope allowing Sirus to even be seen in the day time.

Now when Michael throws Satan out of Heaven in Rev chapter 12, it says Satan lost his place in Heaven and be glad you Heavens so guess the Bible does say he still resided in Heaven.
Proably allways tring to get more Angels on his side, cannot have been very nice.

[Jeshurun]

⁶ And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved

with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.
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Here are a few clues that show the finite existence of the spirits, that they have "assigned places" in the heavens. They cannot go outide the boundaries of the universe, as Jehovah can. But what do I know? :icon_redface:

Lou

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[stayawake]

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Being that year 1914 is all wrong and the Kingdom of the heavens which Christ is to rule from has not taken place as we were taught, it would also mean Satan has not been cast out yet.
War breaks out in heaven at the birth of Gods Kingdom.
Rev 12:17 brings out that when he&#39;s ousted and confined to the earth, he goes to wage war with the remaining of Gods seed(anointed) here on earth that are keeping Gods comandments, this is what brings on Armegedden.
This attack on the remaining ones of the 144,000, will be directed by the counterfiet Kingdom or the One world Goverment,which belongs to Satan
love stayawake

[ellieharp]

Thank you for your comments on this. I like the scripture from Job when God says to Satan, where do you come from? It sounds as if he&#39;s truely uninvited and God is like, you shouldnt be here. Ive only recently learnt that 1914 is wrong so it takes a bit of getting used to because i always thought world war 1 was instigated by Satan. . Ive been slack with studying lately so I really need to learn more about this.

[Jeshurun]

i always thought world war 1 was instigated by Satan. .[/b]

You&#39;re right about this, Ellieharp, it was, as a means of helping to deceive the Bible Students about the parousia and ensuing Battle of Armageddon. He also went to work with other deceptions, such as the Lady of Fatima. Here&#39;s what happened according to Wikipedia:

Our Lady of Fatima is the title given to the Virgin Mary by Catholics and others who believe that she appeared monthly, for several months, to three shepherd children at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917. The title of Our Lady of the Rosary is also used in reference to the same apparition; the children related that the apparition specifically identified herself as "the Lady of the Rosary".

Between May and October of 1917, three shepherd children, Lucia dos Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto, reported visions of the Virgin Mary in the Cova da Iria fields outside the hamlet of Aljustrel, very close to Fatima, Portugal. They had this experience on the 13th day of each month at approximately the same hour. Lúcia described seeing Mary as "more brilliant than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal glass filled with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun."

According to Lúcia&#39;s account, Mary confided to the children three secrets, known as the Three Secrets of Fatima. She exhorted the children to do penance, and to make sacrifices to save sinners. The children wore tight cords around their waists to cause pain, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance. Most important, Lúcia said Mary asked them to say the Rosary every day, reiterating many times that the Rosary was the key to personal and world peace. Many young Portuguese men, including relatives of the visionaries, were then fighting in World War I.

Thousands of people flocked to Fatima and Aljustrel in the ensuing months, drawn by reports of visions and miracles. On August (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_13)13, 1917, the provincial administrator Artur Santos (no relation), believing that the events were politically disruptive, intercepted and jailed the children before they could reach the Cova da Iría that day. Prisoners held with them in the provincial jail later testified that the children, while upset, were consoled by the inmates, and then led the inmates in saying the Rosary. Administrator Santos interrogated the children primarily about the alleged secrets, but was unsuccessful in his attempt to discover what those secrets were. Santos went so far as to feign the preparation of a pot of boiling oil, and then removed the children one by one from his interrogation room, claiming that each removed child had been boiled to death in the oil, and urging the remaining child to divulge the secret so as to avoid a similar fate. That month, instead of the usual apparition in the Cova da Iría on the 13th of the month, the children reported that they saw Mary on August 19 at nearby Valinhos.

On October 13, 1917, the final in the series of the apparitions of 1917, a crowd believed to be approximately 70,000 in number, including newspaper reporters and photographers, gathered at the Cova da Iría in response to reports of the children&#39;s prior claims that on that day a miracle would occur "so that all may believe". It rained heavily that day, yet, countless observers reported that the clouds broke, revealing the sun as an opaque disk spinning in the sky and radiating various colors of light upon the surroundings, then appearing to detach itself from the sky and plunge itself towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, finally returning to its normal place, and leaving the people&#39;s once wet clothing now completely dry. The event is known as the "Miracle of the Sun".

[ellieharp]

Thank you for that Jeshurun. I looked it up on the web and read about it on Wikipeida. Its fascinating stuff. People desperately want to believe that its spiritual dont they and even now if something like this happens, people are drawn to it and display such emotion that shows that they are spiritually hungry yet if they read the bible they would find what they are looking for.

[Nambo]

i always thought world war 1 was instigated by Satan.[/b]

The finger for World War 1 and 2, and possibly 3 if Iran goes bad, can be somewhat pointed towards Zionism with the goal of reclaiming the Holy land for the Jews.

Google Rothchild and Balfour.
Also have a look on who was behind the excessively harsh punishments against post ww1 Germany with the sure knowledge it would lead to further war.

Investigate who it was that wouldnt let Hitler deport all the Jews.

[Jeshurun]

All these websites and all this research, and now that I&#39;m going back and reading some of the essays a second time, I&#39;m finding that most of this stuff is all there.

Ellieharp you&#39;re very welcome.

Nambo, you&#39;re going to really enjoy Watchman&#39;s book.

[Nambo]

All these websites and all this research, and now that I&#39;m going back and reading some of the essays a second time, I&#39;m finding that most of this stuff is all there.

Ellieharp you&#39;re very welcome.

Nambo, you&#39;re going to really enjoy Watchman&#39;s book.[/b]

Then if at least 3 of us have come to the same conclusion, than it figures to be right.
As I said on another post, this is why I havnt read much of Watchmans essays yet, so Iam not influenced by what he has said, and so that by independantly arriving at the same conclusions, at the mouth of two Winesses, so to speak.

[Jeshurun]

So it would seem that the place to keep our eyes fixed on is the middle east. Thanks Kenneth for watching the world. They&#39;re working their way toward staging a "second coming" at Jerusalem. It&#39;s true, that&#39;s been the goal of the Zionists and it seems they ended up at the top.

I was just reading an article about Humanism, which is really the second oldest religion. It started when the serpent said to Eve: "Ye shall be as gods." They believe that humans will eventually evolve into godly beings with scientific help, and they are exploring every possible science and exploiting everything that Jehovah put in place to keep order and harmony, in regard to the whole of Creation. For instance they plan to exploit the ionosphere for military and surveillance advantage, and possibly using it to project images in the heavens. But they don&#39;t care about the possibly permanent rips that it would create in the critical layer of the earth&#39;s protective "nervous system". This is the "HAARP" weapon that Olrono and I were discussing.

This "Humanism" found its merger with Freemasonry during the 13th to 15th centuries. It seems both will converge with Zionism and all at once will come to fruition. Yep, right on Jehovah&#39;s schedule. And the best part is that only HE knows the day and the hour.

Sorry if I just hijacked this thread into another thread...

And yes, the Humanists consider the scattering blow at the Tower of Babel very damaging. It took all these thousands of years to regroup.

[Steadfast]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Satan is keeping the world focused on the middle east, not only for an explosive war, but also the return of Christ.

Here is something many might not have considered: We now know that Jesus returns for his bride just after the tribulation and before Armageddon. Many Christians are looking for a rapture/first resurrection to take place at the beginning of the tribulation.

What do you think Satan will do? The technology now exists to &#39;stage&#39; a fake rapture. I cannot post the websites here, but if anyone is interested in this information, please contact me by im.

When Satan stages this fake, pre-trib rapture/first resurrection, Christendom will panic. They &#39;got left behind!&#39; Who will step into the picture but many of the churches who are NGOs with the UN and already supporting the one-world government as the &#39;political expression of God&#39;s Kingdom on earth.&#39; They will lead their wounded flocks straight to the NWO.

This all sounds very incredible, but then Satan will pull out all stops to usher in his counterfeit kingdom.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Kenneth]

Perhaps this sums up a false second coming and the rapture



“Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned YOU. Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Kenneth