Iran Situation Looking Even Worst

[Nambo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../24/wiran24.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/24/wiran24.xml)

May just be government propogander judging by its sources to get people backing a war on Iran.
But if its true, I dont need to spell out the consequences of a war on Iran actually becoming a war on Iran, North Korea and therefore China as well!

Though Albert Pike did say 3 World Wars would be required in order to bring in the New World Order so guess we should get it over with.

[watchman]

In the latest blog entry there are links to several articles that forewarn that in the run-up to the US attack there will be a massive propaganda campaign aimed at demonizing Iran. That's what we are seeing here. People don't stop and think. So what if Tehran develops a nuclear bomb? The dumbest thing a nation with a handful of nukes could ever do is use them. Okay, let's say Iran blows up Tel Aviv. Then what? Iran would no longer exist. It would simply be vaporized by a hail of thermonuclear missils before the end of the day. The Iranians know that. So do other world leaders. But propaganda is aimed at the masses who don't know that. The most dangerous nation on earth is not North Korea or Iran. It is the United States under the influence of London's imperial war faction.

[Shibboleth]

Croaking frogs.

The Iranians were at the originally testing of No. Korea's first neclear bomb. The news article doesn't surprise me to much.

If the U.S. does go to war with Iran it won't be pretty. It really seems like Bush wants to start another war before he leaves office so someone else can clean up his mess. Also it wouldn't just be a war on Iran. The U.S. would be at war with Venezuela, Cuba and any other South American countries that may side with Castro and Chavez. China can now shoot down satellites. So there goes the U.S.'s eyes and ears. The U.S. has prostituted itself for so long that all these countries hate the U.S. And no one likes an aged washed up prostitute.

also this is an interesting news article :

Bush says to capture or kill Iranians helping Iraqi Insurgents. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/26/us.iran.reut/index.html)

[Jinnvisible]

I believe that the US overt millitary involvement in the middle east, specifically beginning with Iraq in the last 15 years marks a begining point in a huge phase of prophesy fulfillment.

The apparent fact that the Iranian people have as mixed views on the leadership of thier own country, as citizens in western countries do smacks of remote spirit world puppet mastery.

Im not sure what the North Korean people think, I doubt whether they`ve been asked recently.

[Kenneth]

Looks like the war drums are beating louder and harder. Aljazeera magazine has reported today that given the recent development of U.S military buildup in the Middle East war with Iran is close. Eduard Baltin, ex- commander of the Russian fleet, maintains that the U.S. is in preparation to strike Iran soon. Quoting the Guardings' Dan Plesch who states: "All the signs are that Bush is planning for a Neocons-inspired military assault on Iran … Americans don't have much time to realize this and to act before it is too late. Bush's "surge" speech last Wednesday night makes it completely clear that his real purpose is to start wars with Iran and Syria before failure in Iraq brings an end to the neoconservative/Israeli plan to establish hegemony over the Middle East," And according to Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan who wrote. "Commenting about the briefing on MSNBC after Bush's nationwide address, NBC's Washington bureau chief Tim Russert said "there's a strong sense in the upper echelons of the White House that Iran is going to surface relatively quickly as a major issue — in the country and the world — in a very acute way'," The article elaborated further in that the Bush administration is cranking up the propaganda machine in an attempt to convince the American people that Iran is closer than they had previously thought in the development of nuclear weapons. This was the same tactic use in Iraq with WMD the so-called 'weapons' of mass deception' Its also interesting to note that the US were planning to attack Iran or at least the plans were there in 1992. As the cold war had come to its end and the U.S were the only super-power left American hegemony would now be possible. It appears though that plans are in there final stages. Aljazeera maintains that "The U.S. doesn't care who rules the region, whether they are Sunnis, Shias, or Kurds, but it fears who will control these oil reserves in the region"



Kenneth

[Nambo]

Wonder if Russia will join China on Irans side, would certainly be a foe with the ability to give America a "death stroke", hope Blair doesnt join in, well I know he would join in but hope there are enough moral and sensible backbench MPs to bring about his downfall instead.

Hope it doesnt go Nucluer.

Maybe this is why the Elite are said to be moving away from the big cities in America, maybe this is what they want to happen in order to bring in thier NWO.

[Kenneth]

Nambo, I believe it will go nuclear and if the prophesy is to be fulfilled of 'Nation rising against Nation' that may well involve Russia, China, NK, Japan maybe Pakistan and India, you may see problems servicing in the Balkans, Israel will have a major role to play that will probably wipe-out a large chunk of the Middle East. And as for the Far East goes a billion and upwards could die. It all paints a gloomy picture but we have to remember what Jesus told us to do.

"When all this begins to happen, stand upright and hold your heads high, because your liberation is near. . . . Look at the fig-tree, or any other tree. As soon as it buds, you can see for yourselves that summer is near. In the same way when you see all this happening, you may be sure that the kingdom of God is near."—Luke 21:28-31, New English Bible.

So for the world it appears to be doom and gloom but for the Christian it's a time of liberation.


Kenneth

[Kenneth]

It seems that history maybe repeating itself as tens of thousands of Americans tell Bush 'enough is enough'. The protesters accused "Congress Inaction [as] Immoral". The protests were mainly about the state of affairs in Iraq. One of the demonstrators had told the reporter that "Me and my family watched the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth,' and it just made us realize that you can't just sit around, you have to actually get up and do something about the war and the environment." A quote in Aljazeera magazine read that "I'm here because I have something to say about the war in Iraq… We got into this war because our leaders told us Iraq was dangerous. We know now that that wasn't true, and they hid the truth…The rest of the world sees us as a bully and a liar…Enough is enough. We want to end the war now. It's not too late to rise up and be heard." The people may well voice their opinions but it will only falls on deaf years as was the case during protests in London before the Iraqi war. As the propaganda machine gets underway in readiness to attack Iran there will be more in the way of protests. There is every possibility that we will see the fulfilment of Luke 21 before long: "Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, 26 while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken"

Kenneth

[Nambo]

It seems that history maybe repeating itself as tens of thousands of Americans tell Bush 'enough is enough'. The protesters accused "Congress Inaction [as] Immoral". The protests were mainly about the state of affairs in Iraq. One of the demonstrators had told the reporter that "Me and my family watched the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth,' and it just made us realize that you can't just sit around, you have to actually get up and do something about the war and the environment." A quote in Aljazeera magazine read that "I'm here because I have something to say about the war in Iraq… We got into this war because our leaders told us Iraq was dangerous. We know now that that wasn't true, and they hid the truth…The rest of the world sees us as a bully and a liar…Enough is enough. We want to end the war now. It's not too late to rise up and be heard." The people may well voice their opinions but it will only falls on deaf years as was the case during protests in London before the Iraqi war. As the propaganda machine gets underway in readiness to attack Iran there will be more in the way of protests. There is every possibility that we will see the fulfilment of Luke 21 before long: "Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, 26 while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken"

Kenneth[/b]

Looks like its time for another 911 then.
A couple of nuclear devices going off in a couple of American cities should frighten people out of thier moral sensibilities and get them clamering for totally aniolation of IRan who it will be proved where behind it becuase amongst all the melted rubble of a Nuclear inferno, there will be found, by a CIA or FEMA agent, a totally undamaged passport belonging to an Iranian.

As an aside, Ive been reading about the CIA and Americas relationship with China since Nixon.
When you think of how America has let itself be flooded with Chinese goods in recent years, this must be making a lot of Chinese businessmen very rich indeed, having the Wests markets opened to them.

Now, when we look at how the worlds ruling Elite tend to be big businessmen, international bankers and corperations etc, its quite likely then that the same situation would exist in China, the business elite having political power.

So, looking at the USA/Chinese business relationship, maybe we can assume this partnership will extend into black politics.
ie, a mutually agreed world war between the two super-powers, managed in such a way that the aims of the Elite, (drastic reduction in population and the establishment of the World Government), might come about without the world actually being destroyed.

[Jeshurun]

My explorations of the internet have turned up a vast amount of websites where the authors are clearly aware of the New World Order and the accuracy of Bible prophecy regarding the coming of Antichrist. It really is astounding. Of course these websites don't have ALL the facts correct, for instance many of them are teaching that those who do not recieve the mark will be saved by getting caught up in a last minute rapture, not differentiating that only the anointed will go that way, but at the same time they are saying that the Kingdom of Christ will annihilate the New World Order and turn the earth into a paradise, while the dead will be resurrected during the thousand-year reign.

So the good information is out there, and to some extent its accurate enough to give people much insight into the coming events.

Let's not underestimate Jehovah's influence and the fact that he desires no one to be killed, but for all to attain to everlasting life. He also says to trust in him and he will help us through it. Unfortunately many will have to die, but it's a very temporary death considering that the last to die will be resurrected first. From what I'm seeing, when the 8th king tries to enforce his mark on everyone, there will be massive throngs who will resist, and we won't be alone. It will be an opportunity for all of us to take part in the greatest witnessing work in the history of mankind. And yes Kenneth, when all this takes place, we will know that Jesus is near, that his Kingdom has been established, and we know who comes out on top, in a completely one-sided and decisive victory.

All of their hard work and conspiring for thousands of years will go for naught, as they will get 3 and a half years to terrorize mankind, all the while being used as Jehovah's agent to bring about the fulfillment of his purposes.

If they do go out and wipe out massive populations, it will be to Jehovah's advantage since many of them may not have had the chance to hear the kingdom message, and he can simply resurrect them into a world where all false religion has been removed, and Satan can no longer influence anyone.

[Kenneth]

"Israel will buy thousands of advanced "smart" bombs from the United States for an estimated $100 million".

They maintain that they are replenishing their stocks form the war in Lebanon. I'd say its very convenient timing.



Kenneth

[Shibboleth]

"Israel will buy thousands of advanced "smart" bombs from the United States for an estimated $100 million".

They maintain that they are replenishing their stocks form the war in Lebanon. I'd say its very convenient timing.



Kenneth[/b]

They are definitly looking at a war with Iran.

Quite a few middle eastern political advisors warn that if the U.S. does start a war with Iran it will totally put the whole region into chaos. they won't be able to control it.

[Kenneth]

“As the European Union resumes diplomatic talks with Iran, urging the United States to follow suit and stressing that the Iranians are ready for such negotiations, Israel is recommending ways to destroy Tehran’s nuclear installations.

"It is impossible perhaps to destroy the entire nuclear program but it would be possible to damage it in such a way that it would be set back years," Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview with Germany's Focus magazine.

"It's technically feasible. It would require 10 days and the launch of a thousand Tomahawk missiles," he said in the interview, due to be published on Monday.

Olmert also said that "nobody could exclude" military action against Iran, echoing a position long held by the U.S., which doesn’t want to negotiate with Tehran unless it suspends its uranium enrichment program, a demand Tehran refuses to meet despite being slapped with two sets of UN sanctions.

Olmert’s suggestion that a rain of missile could degrade Iran’s nuclear program came as the EU’s foreign police Javeir Solana ended two days of talks with Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani. After the talks, which have been described as constructive, Solana demanded Washington to open direct negotiations with Tehran, stressing that Iranian officials are ready for such unconditional talks.

"We have always said we are ready for talks if they have something new to say. We are fully prepared for talks without preconditions to reach a solution," Iran’s Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said earlier this month.

But Olmert’s threat of military action against Tehran could hinder Iran and the EU’s diplomatic efforts.

Iranian authorities, who insist that Tehran’s nuclear plans are strictly peaceful, immediately described Olmert's warning as empty “bravado.”

"If the United States and Israel commit such a mistake, they know better than anybody what the consequences will be for themselves,” said the head of Iran’s parliamentary foreign affairs commission, Alladin Borojerdy, according to the state-run news agency Isna.

Borojerdy added that the head of the UN nuclear watchdog "Muhammad El-Baradei has stated that Iran's nuclear science cannot be destroyed by missile strikes ... because the science is national."

The science indeed could not be destroyed. But Olmert’s recent warning raises fears that Israel and the United States are preparing plans for a military strike against Iran, a move that military experts say could be disastrous for a region already suffering from two U.S.-led initiated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In a report, the Oxford Research Group suggested last month that pre-emptive air strikes, like those reportedly being considered by the U.S. and Israel, would harden Iranian attitudes and political resistance to outside pressure to stop uranium enrichment. "Armed attacks on Iran would very likely lead to the result they were meant to avoid -- the building of nuclear weapons within a few years,” said the report, backed by the former chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq, Hans Blix.

Another fact usually ignored by supporters of military action against Iran is that many of Tehran’s nuclear facilities are believed to be deep underground, in reinforced bunkers difficult to destroy with conventional weapons. Using thousands of missiles, as suggested by Olmert, could result in a high number of civilian casualties, as a surprise attack would inevitably catch many people unprotected, leading to the deaths of thousands of civilians in another conflict that could still be resolved through diplomacy.”

[Sketch]

"It is impossible perhaps to destroy the entire nuclear program but it would be possible to damage it in such a way that it would be set back years," Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview with Germany's Focus magazine.[/b]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3393010,00.html

Focus reporter apologizes to PM's Office

"Reporter Amir Taheri apologizes to Olmert's spokeswoman for publication of interview on German magazine's website that attributed to PM threatening statements against Iran. Journalist says he did not write interview, asks editors to remove story from site... ...Focus officials have also admitted that "the impression that was created as if Olmert said that there was an operative plan to strike was exaggerated, and it is now clear that Olmert's statements were not aimed as a threat on Iran."


CIA Psy-OPS maybe???

[Kenneth]

Someone&#39;s obviously is trying to stir the hornets nest</span></span> :o </span>

[Dorcas]

Dear Friends,I want to thank you friends so much for the political up-date. I read each post from begining to end and could feel the nearness of the great trib. I get caught up in day-to-day stuff sometimes...
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[Shibboleth]

Olmert is heading for a fall. People in Israel are really tired of this guy especially after his botched Hezzballah purge and war in Lebanon. I will not be surprised if people call on him to resign.

[Jeshurun]

Wasn&#39;t almost the entire Israeli government ousted for corruption less than a year ago? Corruption is an epidemic there (not that it isn&#39;t here), check out this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6276071.stm

[Shibboleth]

hey Jesh,

olmert is still in power. Here is the news article about the inquiry.


MSNBC article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18389634/)