Nemrod And Cain

[Gabriel]

You know, I was thinking about the Resserection as well as thinking about how exciting it will be to meet people from preveos generations. Then I started thinking about Nemrod, Cain, and other not so nice characters that the Bible speaks of. Do they also have the possability that they will be in God's new world too? Seems to me that both of them had close encounters with Jehovah....I mean Jehovah tried to reason with cain personaly and Nemrod for sure saw the Garden of eden. So with all the evedence laid out before them and yet, they went against Fathers purpose, will they still qualify for a rezz due to the fact that it technecally defaults to their imperfection and therefore falls under the ransome of our Lord Jesus?

Then question number two came to mind. Once God's new world is finnaly established, the bible speaks of a new Lang. will this be a Language completely new to Mankind and will it be instently learned in the same way that Father instantly confused the Lnguages of those who tried to build The Tower?

[Jinnvisible]

Is the answer that Rods and Canes both are made of wood and therefore typify things that wooden stand upright at the ressurection ?

sorry

[Gabriel]

Is the answer that Rods and Canes both are made of wood and therefore typify things that wooden stand upright at the ressurection ?

sorry[/b]


Jinnvisible thats too funny! It took me reading it a couple of times before I got but it once I did. i almost spit coffee over my keyboard!

[Candace]

Hi Gabriel,

I don't have any clever sayings like Jinn, but the one thought that came to mind was the scripture that tells us what the wages of sin are (Romans 6:23). My guess is that since Cain and Nimrod paid the price with their death, they stand a good chance of waking up with a clean slate.

As far as the language thing goes, I'm hoping for an instant language infusion into my brain, especially if it's Hebrew. Foreign languages are hard enough in the Roman alphabet and reading left to right. I don't relish the thought of having to learn a whole new set of characters and changing the reading and writing pattern from left to right, to right to left. Logic tells me if Jehovah instantly confused the languages he can instantly unconfuse them. But Jinn may have another take on this. Let's see if he can come up with another clever reply. ^_^

[SlaveForJah]

You know, I was thinking about the Resserection as well as thinking about how exciting it will be to meet people from preveos generations. Then I started thinking about Nemrod, Cain, and other not so nice characters that the Bible speaks of. Do they also have the possability that they will be in God's new world too? Seems to me that both of them had close encounters with Jehovah....I mean Jehovah tried to reason with cain personaly and Nemrod for sure saw the Garden of eden. So with all the evedence laid out before them and yet, they went against Fathers purpose, will they still qualify for a rezz due to the fact that it technecally defaults to their imperfection and therefore falls under the ransome of our Lord Jesus?[/b]

Hello Gabriel, here's a few transaltions of a very important scripture:

"5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time." - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 NIV

"5For there is ^{(G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29722G))}one God, and ^{(H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29722H))}one mediator also between God and men, the ^{(I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29722I))}man Christ Jesus, 6who ^{(J (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29723J))}gave Himself as a ransom for all, the ^{(K (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29723K))}testimony given at ^{(L (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy%202;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-29723L))}the proper time." - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 NASB

"there's one God and only one, and one Priest-Mediator between God and us—Jesus, who offered himself in exchange for everyone held captive by sin, to set them all free. Eventually the news is going to get out." - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 MSG

"5for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who did give himself a ransom for all -- the testimony in its own times --" - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 YLT

"5For God is one, and [the] mediator of God and men one, [the] man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony [to be rendered] in its own times;" - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 DARBY

"5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times." - 1Timothy 2:5, 6 NWT


Here's another:

"15and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." - Acts 24:15 NIV

"15having a hope in God, which ^{(A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2024:%2015;&version=31;49;65;15;16;#cen-NIV-en-NASB-27785A))}these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Acts 24:15 NASB

"And I admit to living in hopeful anticipation that God will raise the dead, both the good and the bad. If that's my crime, my accusers are just as guilty as I am." - Acts 24:15 MSG

"15having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;" - Acts 24:15 YLT

"15having hope towards God, which they themselves also receive, that there is to be a resurrection both of just and unjust." - Acts 24:15 DARBY

"15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." - Acts 24:15 NWT



Personally, I am of the belief that ALL will be resurrected. I figure it like this...if there's no hope for Nimrod or Cain, then what chance do I stand? I am fully aware that I cannot under any circumstances earn my release from sin, nor can I hope to (even faithfully) please God enough to deserve forgiveness; however, I rest in the hope, belief, and faith that Jehovah is as He says He is, namely Faithful.

"23 Let us hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for he is faithful that promised." - Hebrews 10:23



Then question number two came to mind. Once God's new world is finnaly established, the bible speaks of a new Lang. will this be a Language completely new to Mankind and will it be instently learned in the same way that Father instantly confused the Lnguages of those who tried to build The Tower?[/b]

Interesting question Gabriel. I hadn't really thought about this one before. I'll have to do some research, and get back to you with my findings. In the meantime, I'd love to hear thoughts from everyone on both of these questions.

As always, Gabriel, thank you so much for you deep, meaningful questions. You certainly keep me on my toes.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[Jinnvisible]

Thanks candance. :D I feel sure that there are intellegent contributions to be made. Mine will be silence on the subject which being the same in any language is my clever multi-lingual contribution. :191:

[TheCook]

<blockquote>"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition. Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three. Of how much more severe a punishment, do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt? For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”; and again: “Jehovah will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31)</blockquote>

Am I interpreting this statement from Paul wrong, or does it say that not all will benefit from Christ&#39;s ransom? "no longer any sacrifice for sins left"...

[Candace]

Am I interpreting this statement from Paul wrong, or does it say that not all will benefit from Christ&#39;s ransom? "no longer any sacrifice for sins left"...[/b]


...but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.

Based on the above sentence I get the sense of the context being directed towards those who are still alive, and haven&#39;t died yet.

[Berean]

I have a question: Where does the idea come from that pretty much everyone will get a second chance? I&#39;ve never really understood this. What would be the point of living a good life if you&#39;ll get a resurrection with a clean slate anyway?

[Jeshurun]

I have a question: Where does the idea come from that pretty much everyone will get a second chance? I&#39;ve never really understood this. What would be the point of living a good life if you&#39;ll get a resurrection with a clean slate anyway?[/b]

It doesn&#39;t seem to me like they get the same type of resurrection Berean. I&#39;m just speculating, but maybe the righteous ones are given the prospect of eternal life, while the unrighteous would have a lot to prove and would not benefit from the ransom sacrifice until they do. That&#39;s what I make of Daniel 12:2--

2 And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.

Maybe someone else has more insights on this.

Jesh

[Candace]

I have a question: Where does the idea come from that pretty much everyone will get a second chance? I&#39;ve never really understood this. What would be the point of living a good life if you&#39;ll get a resurrection with a clean slate anyway?[/b]

That is the conundrum Berean. You can&#39;t count on receiving a natural death, can you? So, no matter what time period you live in, you&#39;re always expected to do the right thing because you never know what the future holds.

[Berean]

Gabriel created a new thread about my question here (http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1262), so you&#39;ll be able to share your thoughts there as well. :)