The Empire Vs The Republic

[Administration]

Modern history for the past 500 years has been dominated by an ongoing conflict between the forces of tyranny and the human impulse for freedom. For over a millennium following the collapse of the Roman Empire Europe was dominated by a bestial Feudal system, enforced by the Roman Catholic Church, which enslaved the vast majority of the population in perpetual poverty and ignorance. But the Renaissance began to change that miserable situation.

The Renaissance eventually gave birth to the political expression of the sovereign nation-state. As opposed to the continent being fragmented into dozens of fiefdoms, modern nations began to take shape. France, under the reign of King Louis the XI, was put on a course of nation building and thus became the first nation to emerge from the Dark Ages and the Hundred Years War to become a recognizable republic, devoted to the commonwealth.

But, of course, the newly emerging nations were still dominated by a feudalistic oligarchy. It was not until the colonization of the New World that the opportunity presented itself to create a new nation – a free nation with an ocean between it and the tyranny of the European monarchies.

And so begins this lastest blog entry, which continues to keep a close eye on developments taking place on the world scene which will impact this system of things. It's now online and available for anyone that has been following events on the world scene.

The Empire vs The Republic (http://e-watchman.co.uk/)

[Eli's Foe]

A very timely article and one with which I mostly concur. The financial situation now facing the international community is dire. The Fed stepping in to assist Bear Stearns through JP Morgan is of course technically outside its remit to protect individual investors, but the potential for contagion has meant that it has little choice in the short term.

I must comment on one aspect of the blog which is not quite the whole picture, although it makes little difference to the thrust of the argument presented. There can be little doubt that money laundering activities occur in the offshore centres, but as the US itself accepts, it too is just as much a conduit for money laundering activities and drug money is more likely to avoid the heavily regulated well established offshore centres and instead graduate to lesser known centres. Hedge funds and Private equity are considered by all regulators to be low risk in terms of the potential for money laundering as are most funds. The process of placement, layering and integration commonly known as the three staged approach demonstrates why this is. Cash is taboo to fund managers, the introduction of literal cash must be facilitated by other means usually through retail banks. Hedge funds and private equity funds generally repay disinvestments to source thereby denying the money launderer of the opportunity to successfully clean his dirty money and private equity funds in particular are long term investments which is not a good vehicle for tainted money.

The US now hides behind the Patriot act and is uncoopertaive with other jurisdictions in the fight against money laundering and Delaware corporations are particularly suspect.

Just an aside.

EF

[Jinnvisible]

"God helps them that help themselves."


-Benjamin Franklin possibliy on the establishing of the U.S.A in the preoccupied americas ? </span>[/b]



http://www.500nations.tv/</span>

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

"The American System, on the other hand, seeks to nurture and empower people to become productive members of society. It does so by means of education, infrastructure development, protecting domestic industry, fostering scientific progress, and by suppressing the rapaciousness of the British System"

[/b]

I am struck by the same thing Jinn. Like you, I would not want to suggest that the "British system" was viewed as benign or caring by Jehovah, but equally the American system is also fatally flawed. It is important to realise that even if the Republic was to return to the ideals of its founding fathers, it would still be unable to achieve a lasting and ideal government from God&#39;s perspective.

The US has been just as rapacious in the past century as the British Empire ever was but let us not forget that we are all to some extent influenced by the system under which we live. Americans by and large appear to the British people as inward looking and overly patriotic bordering on nationalistic. These traits have been eroded in the British over the past 100 years as its influence in the world has waned. The same thing would happen in the US if the arrogance of being the world&#39;s current military and economic superpower waned. Similarly Americans no doubt see other traits in the British which they find repugnant.

The point here though, is that one system is not superior to another, that is a fallacy and from Jehovah&#39;s point of view the struggle between the two is not a case of good vs evil, they are both evil in their conception. Man is not designed to rule himself so the argument over which system is more benign becomes redundant.

EF

[Jeshurun]

As evidenced by what happened at the Tower of Babel, Jehovah has up until now not been in favor of mankind establishing a world government of iron-fisted rule. This would have prevented Him from accomplishing HIS purposes. At Ezekiel 28:13 and 31:8, America clearly dominates the "Garden of God", which would seem to be based on the nation-state system.

Let&#39;s not forget that these two kings are sitting at one table speaking lies and are driven by a spiritistic hidden force that compels them to constantly be at odds with each other, to suit her own ultimate agenda. There is no "good king bad king" here. So we can&#39;t say that the American system as a whole can be considered by any means to be "holy" to Jehovah, but it does allow freedom of religion which would fit very well, in my opinion, with the "clay" of the image.

I think the best way to discern what ideologies are on either side of the fence is to look at history, particularly the two world wars. In the first war, the main objective of Babylon&#39;s agents was to overthrow the Czars of Russia in order to establish Russia as a fortress of atheistic Communism. The war pitted the British Empire against the Germanic Empire, with the United States later joining on the side of the British. The Allies "won" the war, but the events of the era subverted the American republic and guaranteed its future demise, and one would never know that Britain had won anything by surveying post-war London. After the war, Communism was built with the end in view of weakening and destroying sovereign governments and also the religions.

The second war pitted the Fascists against the political Zionists, with the desired result being the defeat of Fascism and the establishment of the nation-state of Israel, to be a major player in the end-time scenario. Pike said: "During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

There are three players involved: the Beast which comprises both Kings who speak lies, and the harlot who misleads them. For that reason sometimes it is very difficult to distinguish between the two kings. So from an ideological standpoint, the Soviet Union was (and probably still is, as Russia) a part of the KON the same as Germany was. So I too see the struggle as being between a feudal system and a free system, with Communism being the ideology of the Northern king. Since it seems clear that the New World Order will be based on Communism/Humanism, off into destruction goes the King of the South and its system of national sovereignty.

I guess the gist of what I am saying is, who is REALLY in control?

Jesh

[Jinnvisible]

the American system as a whole can be considered by any means to be "holy" to Jehovah, but it does allow freedom of religion which would fit very well, in my opinion, with the "clay" of the image.[/b]

<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">Socialist Communism is not the same thing in theory as it is in practice. So to believe the Republic Of the U.S. is `a justice`, you determine the historical injustices and then make a convenient separation from the constitutional republic. Hence the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki the pre WW2 firebombing of Japan is nothing to do with the constitutional republic its just fringe incident involving wayward politicians. Chattel slavery, segregation and decimation of the Native American is not an issue relating to the republic of the U.S. It is an accident of history. U.S. support or Israel and domination of other Arab countries such is nothing to do with a constitutional republic is just `a wayward element - of a wayward element`. By this method you can excuse Communism and the republic of Rome also.

[watchman]

[/b]</span>

The American system is not synonomous with American corporations or even the American government. In fact, the American system does not promote the sort of mulit-national corporate monstrosities that are devouring the world today. That is the imperial system, otherwise known as globalism. The true American system would penalize corporations that did not put the American workers&#39; interests ahead of corporate profits. But, no one is saying that even an American system would bring about paradise. I would hope it is understood that both the Britiish and American systems are going to come up defieicent when Jehovah weighs them in the balances.

<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>U.S, science resource in its most evident technological achivements, are like corperate america not indigenous to the Republic it is adopted . Science is promethian power for man yet its application is primarily millitaristic and all advancement as such is limited by the U.S. govenment who restrict its application through force. Hence operation paperclip and the 500 Nazi V2 rocket scientists who recieved U.S.citezenship under DR Von Braun at the end of WW2 put man on the moon. Von Braun being the head of the saturn 5 rocket program formerly a Nazi SS officer. So the technology born of Saturn moon missions is not wholly seperate from the `idea` of technology born from the `Just` American repulican system. It is no surprise that Genocidal Nazis advanced the cause of a nation built on genocide. America certain was rapacious in its recruting of foriegn resources and technologies.[/b][/quote]

The NASA program of the 60&#39;s is a great example of the American system getting behind what is called a science driver project. The government put forth a vision -- a massive project, which it funded. At the time Kennedy put forth the vision it was technologically impossible to put a man on the moon. But thousands of scientists, engineers and various machine builders found a way to do it. As a result countless innovations were developed, innovations that would benefit mankind. For example, the personal computer is a direct spinoff from the space program, because they had to find a way to miniturize the behemoth computers that they had back then. Cell phone technology, and all sorts of space age materials were also developed as a result.



watchman</span>

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

<div class='quotemain'>[/b]</span>

The American system is not synonomous with American corporations or even the American government. In fact, the American system does not promote the sort of mulit-national corporate monstrosities that are devouring the world today. That is the imperial system, otherwise known as globalism. The true American system would penalize corporations that did not put the American workers&#39; interests ahead of corporate profits. But, no one is saying that even an American system would bring about paradise. I would hope it is understood that both the Britiish and American systems are going to come up defieicent when Jehovah weighs them in the balances.

<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>U.S, science resource in its most evident technological achivements, are like corperate america not indigenous to the Republic it is adopted . Science is promethian power for man yet its application is primarily millitaristic and all advancement as such is limited by the U.S. govenment who restrict its application through force. Hence operation paperclip and the 500 Nazi V2 rocket scientists who recieved U.S.citezenship under DR Von Braun at the end of WW2 put man on the moon. Von Braun being the head of the saturn 5 rocket program formerly a Nazi SS officer. So the technology born of Saturn moon missions is not wholly seperate from the `idea` of technology born from the `Just` American repulican system. It is no surprise that Genocidal Nazis advanced the cause of a nation built on genocide. America certain was rapacious in its recruting of foriegn resources and technologies.[/b][/quote]

The NASA program of the 60&#39;s is a great example of the American system getting behind what is called a science driver project. The government put forth a vision -- a massive project, which it funded. At the time Kennedy put forth the vision it was technologically impossible to put a man on the moon. But thousands of scientists, engineers and various machine builders found a way to do it. As a result countless innovations were developed, innovations that would benefit mankind. For example, the personal computer is a direct spinoff from the space program, because they had to find a way to miniturize the behemoth computers that they had back then. Cell phone technology, and all sorts of space age materials were also developed as a result.



watchman</span>
[/b][/quote]

With all due respect Watchman, this is not a well reasoned argument. It is tantamount to saying, "the end justifies the means". Talk of a "necessary evil" is very strange, necesary to who? The native Americans who by right owned all the land on the continent of North America?

The NASA space programme was only possible because the US permitted Nazis to work on their rocket programme in the first place, was that also a necessary evil?

In that case we must accept that the Imperial system has provided a great deal which we consider beneficial to mankind, no matter how it was achieved, indeed white Americans are basically Europeans and the United States of America would not exist without us across the pond. How different it would have been if instead of dominating man to his injury the US had worked in harmony with the indigenous North American people and that now there were at least two countries where now there is one. Not possible? perhaps not, but to suggest that it was somehow vital for white Americans to suppress the continent is puzzling.

Does Canada have a less benign system than the US?

Is the concept of the masses ruling themselves any better in reality than the same process with a Royal figure head? This is a deception, since both systems are inherently selfish and doomed to failure.

I dont know whether Jesh is right about the KoN or if you are, since there are merits in both arguments, but assuming Larouche is right - to cast one system as better, more benign or less evil than the other, is where I must part company with your reasoning.

Respectfully yours,

EF

[PRAYSER]

GREETINGS TO ALL

The ENSLAVEMENT of Africans, the GENOCIDE of Native Americans and the HOLOCAUSING of the JEWS & OTHERS is not the subject of Bible Prophecy. The prophecies focus on the struggles of the world powers for world domination because the issue is
HUMAN SOVEREIGNTY vs GOD&#39;S SOVEREIGNTY.

ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION, ENSLAVEMENT, SOCIAL - ECONOMIC CASTE SYSTEMS, ETHNIC CLEANSING, GENOCIDE, AND POGROMS, ETC., ARE THE CONSEQUENCE OF HUMAN SOVEREIGNTY, AND CAN ONLY BE ELIMINATED BY THE ELIMINATION OF HUMAN SOVEREIGNTY BY GOD&#39;S KINGDOM.

The claim that the American political and economic system is somehow better or more just than the English system is the product of the official nationalist/racialist propoganda of AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM taught by our schools and by our cultural events and by our media productions. If I were a white American instead of a black American with equal respect for my African, Native American, Celtic and Anglo-Saxon ancestry/heritage I probably would have personally identified with this perspective.

Manifest destiny and it&#39;s historical excuse, "go west young man - if we Anglo-Saxons Americans don&#39;t eliminate the red savages
(Native American Nations) then the europeans (ENGLAND, FRANCE OR HOLLAND) will recolonize us", was the proganda program promoted by the American elite, both northern and southern, and it exploited the common white population and diverted them from
addressing the fundamental injustices under which they lived by substituting westward expansion as the solution for economic and social inequities. American freedom and opportunity was purchased at the expense the enslaved Africans and the Nation American
Nations.

American Exceptionalism can be traced to the Puritans in who colonized Massachusetts. These so-called Prigrims left England because they could not impose their concept of theocracy (so-called religious freedom) on English Society and the Church of England. The Mayflower left Europe en route to Jamestown and mysteriously end up in Massachusetts (if you like conspiracy theories go for it), and to this day we speak of our Puritanical heritage and honour these religious facist fanatics as our Pilgrim forefathers. The Puritan worldview is still the American worldview to the present day.

The FOUNDING SLAVEHOLDERS of the USA did not inherit slaves from England (another American exceptionalist excuse), there was a market in the colonies for slaves because the colonists wanted slaves. As far as Manifest Destiny and those who claim it was a necessary evil; what truly amazes me is that it seems to never enter the consiousness of those individuals that Europeans could have settled peacefully from sea to shining sea and treated the native peoples with respect and human decency had they chose to do so.

I can accept that the Anglo-American world power is the the King of the North, but Mr Larouche is an American exceptionalist American national and I believe that nationalist/racialist influenced interpretations of Bible prophecy are misleading at best and potentially dangerous. I believe that anti-Kabbalism is another form of Anti-Semitism ("blame the Jews").


Djabril

PS: The American System, not just the American South, was an apartheid system until the 1960&#39;s, if you don&#39;t believe it rent movies and TV shows prior to I SPY, JULIA, MOD SQUAD.

[watchman]

With all due respect Watchman, this is not a well reasoned argument. It is tantamount to saying, "the end justifies the means". Talk of a "necessary evil" is very strange, necesary to who? The native Americans who by right owned all the land on the continent of North America?[/b]

You are mistaken. The native Americans did not own the land. They had no concept of owning land. The United States purchased the entire interior of the country from France, in what is known as the Louisiana Purchase. That extended the U.S. territory clear to the eastern edge of the Rocky Mountains. And that is what I was saying, that had the U.S. not pushed its territory to the Pacific Ocean then the European powers surely would have taken possession of it. Canada did the same thing. Now though, obviously, it is popular to plead the cause of indigious people and spotted owls and snails as the preffered means of pushing the empire&#39;s Malthusian policy of population reduction and arresting industrial development.


The NASA space programme was only possible because the US permitted Nazis to work on their rocket programme in the first place, was that also a necessary evil?[/b]

That&#39;s ridiculous. Sure German engineers developed modern rocketry, but I think you are confusing Nazis with Germans. Not all Germans were Nazis. The Nazis were, in fact, a small minority. The Nazis merely used their engineers and scientists for their own purposes. Some scientists left Germany, like Einstein, because they didn&#39;t want to help the Nazis. But with or without the help of German science the U.S. would have put a man on the moon sooner or later because they developed a crash course to accomplish that very thing, just as they initiated a crash program to develop the atomic bomb. And the fact is, had Roosevelt not used the American system to the full the world would have been taken over by the Nazis.


In that case we must accept that the Imperial system has provided a great deal which we consider beneficial to mankind, no matter how it was achieved, indeed white Americans are basically Europeans and the United States of America would not exist without us across the pond. How different it would have been if instead of dominating man to his injury the US had worked in harmony with the indigenous North American people and that now there were at least two countries where now there is one. Not possible? perhaps not, but to suggest that it was somehow vital for white Americans to suppress the continent is puzzling.[/b]

You may not be aware of this, but most of the original settlers to America came here because they were fleeing oppression.

Also, the British imperial system is the bloodiest, most tyrannical empire that has existed to date. It is responsible for atrocities and genocide on virtually every continent. London gave birth to communism and injected it into Russia; through its geo-politcal machinations it fomented WW1 and by means of the punitive treaty of Versallies and their backdoor support for Hitler and Mussolini, orchestrated the Second World War too. London also set the Cold War in motion as a means of preventing further cooperation between the US and the USSR. And the machinations of the Lord&#39;s of London and their various stooges in high places have now brought the world to the brink of World War Three.


Does Canada have a less benign system than the US? Is the concept of the masses ruling themselves any better in reality than the same process with a Royal figure head? This is a deception, since both systems are inherently selfish and doomed to failure.[/b]

Hey, I love Canada. Lived in Toronto, as well as London. But Canada is not really a sovereign nation. It is essentially a British colony. There&#39;s a big difference. Canada is basically a raw materials supplier for the empire.

The bottom line is this, if the American system were not inherently superior to the British system London would not have spent the past 200 years trying to stamp it out.

Watchman

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

<div class='quotemain'>With all due respect Watchman, this is not a well reasoned argument. It is tantamount to saying, "the end justifies the means". Talk of a "necessary evil" is very strange, necesary to who? The native Americans who by right owned all the land on the continent of North America?[/b]

You are mistaken. The native Americans did not own the land. They had no concept of owning land. The United States purchased the entire interior of the country from France, in what is known as the Louisiana Purchase. That extended the U.S. territory clear to the eastern edge of the Rocky Mountains. And that is what I was saying, that had the U.S. not pushed its territory to the Pacific Ocean then the European powers surely would have taken possession of it. Canada did the same thing. Now though, obviously, it is popular to plead the cause of indigious people and spotted owls and snails as the preffered means of pushing the empire&#39;s Malthusian policy of population reduction and arresting industrial development.


The NASA space programme was only possible because the US permitted Nazis to work on their rocket programme in the first place, was that also a necessary evil?[/b]

That&#39;s ridiculous. Sure German engineers developed modern rocketry, but I think you are confusing Nazis with Germans. Not all Germans were Nazis. The Nazis were, in fact, a small minority. The Nazis merely used their engineers and scientists for their own purposes. Some scientists left Germany, like Einstein, because they didn&#39;t want to help the Nazis. But with or without the help of German science the U.S. would have put a man on the moon sooner or later because they developed a crash course to accomplish that very thing, just as they initiated a crash program to develop the atomic bomb. And the fact is, had Roosevelt not used the American system to the full the world would have been taken over by the Nazis.


In that case we must accept that the Imperial system has provided a great deal which we consider beneficial to mankind, no matter how it was achieved, indeed white Americans are basically Europeans and the United States of America would not exist without us across the pond. How different it would have been if instead of dominating man to his injury the US had worked in harmony with the indigenous North American people and that now there were at least two countries where now there is one. Not possible? perhaps not, but to suggest that it was somehow vital for white Americans to suppress the continent is puzzling.[/b]

You may not be aware of this, but most of the original settlers to America came here because they were fleeing oppression.

Also, the British imperial system is the bloodiest, most tyrannical empire that has existed to date. It is responsible for atrocities and genocide on virtually every continent. London gave birth to communism and injected it into Russia; through its geo-politcal machinations it fomented WW1 and by means of the punitive treaty of Versallies and their backdoor support for Hitler and Mussolini, orchestrated the Second World War too. London also set the Cold War in motion as a means of preventing further cooperation between the US and the USSR. And the machinations of the Lord&#39;s of London and their various stooges in high places have now brought the world to the brink of World War Three.


Does Canada have a less benign system than the US? Is the concept of the masses ruling themselves any better in reality than the same process with a Royal figure head? This is a deception, since both systems are inherently selfish and doomed to failure.[/b]

Hey, I love Canada. Lived in Toronto, as well as London. But Canada is not really a sovereign nation. It is essentially a British colony. There&#39;s a big difference. Canada is basically a raw materials supplier for the empire.

The bottom line is this, if the American system were not inherently superior to the British system London would not have spent the past 200 years trying to stamp it out.

Watchman
[/b][/quote]

I can only say that this version of history undermines the credibility of other well researched scriptural essays etc. Sorry, its just my opinion but I find your position on this unbelievable and no doubt very offensive to many non-Americans. But we will agree to differ. I wouldn&#39;t want to come across as an imperialist!

Best wishes,

EF

[watchman]

I can only say that this version of history undermines the credibility of other well researched scriptural essays etc. Sorry, its just my opinion but I find your position on this unbelievable and no doubt very offensive to many non-Americans. But we will agree to differ. I wouldn&#39;t want to come across as an imperialist![/b]

Actually, you are mistaken. All of the articles I have written on the topic are from this point of view. The iron and the clay, the king of the north and south, for example. Perhaps you are simply not familiar with what I have written over the years.

Watchman

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

I can only say that this version of history undermines the credibility of other well researched scriptural essays etc. Sorry, its just my opinion but I find your position on this unbelievable and no doubt very offensive to many non-Americans. But we will agree to differ. I wouldn&#39;t want to come across as an imperialist![/b]

Actually, you are mistaken. All of the articles I have written on the topic are from this point of view. The iron and the clay, the king of the north and south, for example. Perhaps you are simply not familiar with what I have written over the years.

Watchman

[/b]

I am pleased to say that I have read all your essays and commentaries. It is not the notion that Britain has been cruel and imperialist that bothers me or that it may have held the position of the KoN. It is the supposition that the US has a "superior" system. It certainly is not superior from Jehovah&#39;s standpoint, and it is his viewpoint that I consider paramount.
Reading your articles without this particularly American bias, I had not picked up on the fact that you had a personal preference for the American system and could not see how equally destructive the US has been particularly over the last century. I had assumed you spoke impartially, as an alien resident as it were.

EF

[watchman]

I am pleased to say that I have read all your essays and commentaries. It is not the notion that Britain has been cruel and imperialist that bothers me or that it may have held the position of the KoN. It is the supposition that the US has a "superior" system. It certainly is not superior from Jehovah&#39;s standpoint, and it is his viewpoint that I consider paramount.
Reading your articles without this particularly American bias, I had not picked up on the fact that you had a personal preference for the American system and could not see how equally destructive the US has been particularly over the last century. I had assumed you spoke impartially, as an alien resident as it were.

EF[/b]

Actually, I have written from Jehovah&#39;s point of view. My purpose in delving into history to the extent I have is in order to understand Jehovah&#39;s perspective. That is necessary since it should be obvious that God&#39;s prophetic forecasts are not going to be understandable to a person if he is steeped in the imperialists&#39; historical perspective, which, basically, is the establishment view of the Anglo-American nations. It is, in fact, impossible to comprehend the prophecy of the king of the north and south, for example, without understanding the great ongoing, over-arching struggle between the empire and the republic.

watchman

[PRAYSER]

Hello Watchman

The notion that the Native Americans did not own the land that they and their ancestors had lived on
for THOUSANDS of years; but the French by the act of
planting a flag in the ground;
raising a sword and claiming the land in the name of the king of France;
having a priest say a prayer and making the sign of the cross;
became the rightful owners of the land acquiring the right sell it to the United States, thereby making the indigenous peoples trespassers to be "justly" dealt with according to the good graces of the new
"rightful land owners", is astonishing to say the least. But it is the ideology the we have been taught in school here in the USA.

I love America as mush a one should love the land of ones birth, but in studying the history of the USA and Europe, in particular the lands of my European ancestors: Ireland, England and France;
I have seen that America and England have been equally brutal and corrupt both internally and externally, even though England operated on a global scale from the 1700&#39;s.

I don&#39;t see what a claim that one system of domination and exploitation (European vs American) is more just than the other has to do the struggle between them. England and the US are both bent on global domanition this fact in itself makes them natural enemies, and the elites of neither cares about the well being of the common people.

I personally appreciate your commentaries and essays even though I view them as commentary on Bible prophecy and not necessarily correct interpretations (as in it may not work this way). You have more than anyone else helped me to see the silliness of the Watch Tower Organization&#39;s opportunist self-serving interpretations.

Although you may not appreciate the company, I owe you and Raymond Franz (whom I regard as a true disciple of Jesus and true worshiper of Jehovah God), much thanks for helping me to self-deprogram from almost 40 years of Watch Tower Organization indoctrination.

Respectfully

DJABRIL

[Jinnvisible]

The article you wrote somewhat extols the virtues of one system over the other. I am not sure that extolling the virtues of one system over the other is specifically necessary for identifying them in prophesy. I&#39;m not entirely sure where this been established. I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s a discussion that you should not have if you want it. However the rise or demise of Empires is more about power than virtue.

[watchman]

Hello Watchman

The notion that the Native Americans did not own the land that they and their ancestors had lived on
for THOUSANDS of years; but the French by the act of
planting a flag in the ground;
raising a sword and claiming the land in the name of the king of France;
having a priest say a prayer and making the sign of the cross;
became the rightful owners of the land acquiring the right sell it to the United States, thereby making the indigenous peoples trespassers to be "justly" dealt with according to the good graces of the new
"rightful land owners", is astonishing to say the least. But it is the ideology the we have been taught in school here in the USA.

I love America as mush a one should love the land of ones birth, but in studying the history of the USA and Europe, in particular the lands of my European ancestors: Ireland, England and France;
I have seen that America and England have been equally brutal and corrupt both internally and externally, even though England operated on a global scale from the 1700&#39;s.

I don&#39;t see what a claim that one system of domination and exploitation (European vs American) is more just than the other has to do the struggle between them. England and the US are both bent on global domanition this fact in itself makes them natural enemies, and the elites of neither cares about the well being of the common people.

I personally appreciate your commentaries and essays even though I view them as commentary on Bible prophecy and not necessarily correct interpretations (as in it may not work this way). You have more than anyone else helped me to see the silliness of the Watch Tower Organization&#39;s opportunist self-serving interpretations.

Although you may not appreciate the company, I owe you and Raymond Franz (whom I regard as a true disciple of Jesus and true worshiper of Jehovah God), much thanks for helping me to self-deprogram from almost 40 years of Watch Tower Organization indoctrination.

Respectfully

DJABRIL[/b]

I don&#39;t justify the dispossession of the native Americans. But the cruel fact is they were destined to be dispossessed by the European powers. The weak are always dominated by the strong. There was simply no possibility that a disunited, tribal, stone-age culture could for very long resist being swallowed up by Europe. It happened around the earth, not just in America. The aboriginals of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada met the same fate. That&#39;s just a cruel reality of the Devil&#39;s system.

My comment that the annexation of the West by America was a "necessary evil" (manifest destiny) is from the perspective of the national security of the United States. The only question was who was going to possess the land; because, for a fact, someone other than the native Americans was going to.

Watchman

[watchman]

Jinn: I&#39;ll respond to your post later. I&#39;m trying to get some other stuff done here.

Watchman

[Jinnvisible]

Jinn: I&#39;ll respond to your post later. I&#39;m trying to get some other stuff done here.

Watchman[/b]

There was a rumour going around the internet that e-watchman is a black semi-pro football player called Walter Reyes. Those are some difficult changes, to have to come to terms with. What with that and having to deal with the finacial cataclism, and the apostasy in God&#39;s house, and disfellowshiping.

Take your time bro.