Resurrection Question.

[Olm]

Ok this has been bothering me for a while now. Why is it that Jesus talked about only the heavenly resurrection when he was questioned by the Sadducees?

27 (http://) However, some of the Sadducees, those who say there is no resurrection, came up and questioned him, 28 (http://) saying: "Teacher, Moses wrote us, 'If a man's brother dies having a wife, but this one remained childless, his brother should take the wife and raise up offspring from her for his brother.' 29 (http://) Accordingly there were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died childless. 30 (http://) So the second, 31 (http://) and the third took her. Likewise even the seven: they did not leave children behind, but died off. 32 (http://) Lastly, the woman also died. 33 (http://) Consequently, in the resurrection, of which one of them does she become [the] wife? For the seven got her as wife."

34 (http://) Jesus said to them: "The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 (http://) but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. 36 (http://) In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God's children by being children of the resurrection. 37 (http://) But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed, in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah 'the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.' 38 (http://) He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him." 39 (http://) In response some of the scribes said: "Teacher, you spoke well." 40 (http://) For no longer did they have the courage to ask him a single question.

Ok same question that the Sadducees asked but lets say instead the seven brothers and the woman are not of the heavenly class, so now what is the answer to the question? But really my question is why did Jesus only mention the heavenly resurrection to the Sadducees and not the earthly one where as the earthly one will have a lot more people then those who are of the heavenly resurrestion.

[Jinnvisible]

Ok this has been bothering me for a while now. Why is it that Jesus talked about only the heavenly resurrection when he was questioned by the Sadducees?[/b]


27 (http://) However, some of the Sadducees, those who say there is no resurrection, came up and questioned him[/b]

As the Sadduces did not belive in `any kind of ressurection` it would make sense that Jesus respond to them in terms of the heavenly ressurection because it would be saying not only is thier an earthly one (that you don`t believe in) but their is also a heavenly one (that you don`t believe in or have up untill now even heard of).

Although its also worth keeping in mind Jesus did not always answer people according to the questioners understanding. There is more to say about these particular scriptures although someone else may be able to clarify further. Personally i`m not conviced he was only specifically reffering to the heavenly ressurection here.

[Molly]

Hi Guys-

Prior to 1978 the WTS said that this resurrection referred to the heavenly one. Then around 1978 they changed it to mean the earthly resurrection. Did they change it back again to the heavenly one. Guess that one got by me!

If Jesus was referring to a resurrection for Abraham, Issac and Jacob, wasn't that a reference to the the earthly resurrection?

Just got me thinking there for a second and it got me all confused me.

Molly

[Berean]

I, too, have always took it as Jesus referring to the earthly resurrection here. Molly brings out a good point, about the resurrection for Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Also, I really wonder what reason there could be for men and women to be married in the earthly resurrection. To fill the earth, again?!

[Olm]

how can it mean the earthly resurrection when Jesus said "they will be like the angles in heaven". when other religons see these scriputers they to see it as Jesus speaking of a heavenly resurrection. How would you come to think they he was referring to the earthly resurrection in those scriputers? By the way is there any mention of an earthly resurrection by Jesus?

[TheCook]

how can it mean the earthly resurrection when Jesus said "they will be like the angles in heaven". when other religons see these scriputers they to see it as Jesus speaking of a heavenly resurrection. How would you come to think they he was referring to the earthly resurrection in those scriputers? By the way is there any mention of an earthly resurrection by Jesus?[/b]

(Luke 23:43) . . .“Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”. . . *

*“In Paradise,”א ABVgJ11,13,16; Gr., en toi pa·ra·dei′soi; J17,18,22(Heb.), beghan-‛E′dhen, “in the garden of Eden.” See Ge 2:8, 10, 15, 16, in LXX.

[Jinnvisible]

how can it mean the earthly resurrection when Jesus said "they will be like the angles in heaven". when other religons see these scriputers they to see it as Jesus speaking of a heavenly resurrection. How would you come to think they he was referring to the earthly resurrection in those scriputers? By the way is there any mention of an earthly resurrection by Jesus?[/b]

For instance this scripture described Stephen`s face as being like an angel`s but it doesn`t neccesarily have any specific refference to Stephen`s heavenly ressurection or his future life simply because angels are mentioned.

[Olm]

When Jesus said they are like angels in heaven in that they do not get married, is Jesus saying that those who have the earthly resurrection do not get married in paradise? It seems that comparing earthly humans in paradise not getting married to angels would be misleading in that it would tend to make the reader think that Jesus was talking about a heavenly resurrection and not an earthly one.

By the way i do thank all of you for responding to my question, it just has been bothering me for a while and i'm trying to understand.

[watchman]

Hi Olm

Good question my brother.

It appears as if Jesus referred to both the heavenly and earthly resurrections in his reply. First Christ completely befuddled the Saducees by referring to the dead being resurrected as angels. At the time even the apostles had no conception of a heavenly resurrection. He then, though, answered their question more directly when he said: "But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah 'the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob." Elsewhere in scripture it is made apparent that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not receive a heavenly resurrection. So, Jesus' reference to them being alive, at least in God's memory, points to the fact that Jesus also referred to both a heavenly and earthly resurrection.

Watchman

[Jinnvisible]

</span>P.s.

You are right though it would have been a confussing answer, although Jesus often does not seem to have been to concerned as to whether he was perfectly understood at times. In fact sometimes he positively seems to make use of it.</span>

[Olm]

yeah my wife does have the other belief that everyone good goes to heaven. we don&#39;t talk much about religon with each other really. just leads to fights. yeah i&#39;m still having a hard time with those scriptures, i see Jesus talking about the heavenly resurrection but the earthly one i having a hard time seeing it.

Jinn, watchman or anyone, what are those scriputers that show that Abraham Isaac Jacob will not have a heavenly resurrection? I do not believe that they will recieve one but just wondering where those scriputers might be?

[SlaveForJah]

Jinn, watchman or anyone, what are those scriputers that show that Abraham Isaac Jacob will not have a heavenly resurrection? I do not believe that they will recieve one but just wondering where those scriputers might be?[/b]

Hey Olm, maybe this will help.


"29 "Men, brothers, it is allowable to speak with freeness of speech to YOU concerning the family head David, that he both deceased and was buried and his tomb is among us to this day.30 Therefore, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one from the fruitage of his loins upon his throne, 31 he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in Ha´des nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. 33Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear. 34 Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, &#39;Jehovah said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand, 35until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."&#39; 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom YOU impaled."" - Acts 2:29-36


Agape

SlaveForJah

[Jinnvisible]

<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">The burden of evidence is really on the other side of the assertion; you need to show why something introduced clearly as an entirely new covenant is applied backwards to former things

[shikinah]

I, too, have always took it as Jesus referring to the earthly resurrection here. Molly brings out a good point, about the resurrection for Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Also, I really wonder what reason there could be for men and women to be married in the earthly resurrection. To fill the earth, again?![/b]


Perhaps what Jesus meant was, as this woman may had married each brother after the previous one had died, in the resurrection, she would be single free and not obliged to marry anyone, as the angels in heaven are.
She could remain single by choice or marry whom she pleased. An angel could leave heaven like they did in the past but they choose not to as its against Jehovahs will. But we all have free choice.

Jahs Blessings
Elizabeth x

[James]

Perhaps what Jesus meant was, as this woman may had married each brother after the previous one had died, in the resurrection, she would be single free and not obliged to marry anyone, as the angels in heaven are.
She could remain single by choice or marry whom she pleased. An angel could leave heaven like they did in the past but they choose not to as its against Jehovahs will. But we all have free choice.

Jahs Blessings
Elizabeth x[/b]


That&#39;s an interesting thought, Elizabeth x.

Just as some have the heavenly hope, maybe some righteous angels have an earthly hope? With life everlasting here on earth.

I know the bible speaks of those who forsook their proper dwelling place but, they did it for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think if we went to heaven, we would never want to return to an earthly paradise?


brotherly love,
James

[Elatjewel]

The witnesses were very sure on the fact that those who came back in the resurrection would not be able to marry and have children…………..Why not?

Apparently these ( above ) scriptures are sighted for that FACT………Their FACTS!!

Is this justice to take away the gift of giving life…….The way we are made now……..wanting to marry and produce our offspring to care and cherish?

What about all those that did not get the chance of this gift?

Some dying too young, or becoming ill for many reasons and not having the chance to marry through poverty……….Would this be just for God to deny those this gift when others have been awarded many gifts?

What I noticed about our KH was that some sisters were having as many kids as they could while a few could not find a mate and sat there feeling sad and lonely.

Perhaps this scripture might help extinguish some who think they have the light in their eyes and mistake it for wisdom!



A few surprises to look forward to.

EJ :icon_rolleyes:

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>Perhaps what Jesus meant was, as this woman may had married each brother after the previous one had died, in the resurrection, she would be single free and not obliged to marry anyone, as the angels in heaven are.
She could remain single by choice or marry whom she pleased. An angel could leave heaven like they did in the past but they choose not to as its against Jehovahs will. But we all have free choice.

Jahs Blessings
Elizabeth x[/b]


That&#39;s an interesting thought, Elizabeth x.

Just as some have the heavenly hope, maybe some righteous angels have an earthly hope? With life everlasting here on earth.

I know the bible speaks of those who forsook their proper dwelling place but, they did it for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think if we went to heaven, we would never want to return to an earthly paradise?


brotherly love,
James
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Sometimes, i feel like i&#39;d like to be in heaven, and my older daughter believes im one of the remnant lol..but i know i&#39;d miss the earth and interaction of humans.
But it would be a privilage to help and direct those when the great tribulation comes.
Sometimes i wonder if the scripture in Isaiah 59:3 when it talks about zion, and about kings to the brightness of your shining light, would involve some of the remnant on earth..? as i have been told Isaiah runs parallel with whats happening today.
Just a thought.

Sisterly Love.
Elizabeth x

[shikinah]

The witnesses were very sure on the fact that those who came back in the resurrection would not be able to marry and have children…………..Why not?

Apparently these ( above ) scriptures are sighted for that FACT………Their FACTS!!

Is this justice to take away the gift of giving life…….The way we are made now……..wanting to marry and produce our offspring to care and cherish?

What about all those that did not get the chance of this gift?

Some dying too young, or becoming ill for many reasons and not having the chance to marry through poverty……….Would this be just for God to deny those this gift when others have been awarded many gifts?

What I noticed about our KH was that some sisters were having as many kids as they could while a few could not find a mate and sat there feeling sad and lonely.

Perhaps this scripture might help extinguish some who think they have the light in their eyes and mistake it for wisdom!



A few surprises to look forward to.

EJ :icon_rolleyes:

[/b]


I personally find it hard to believe, they&#39;ll be no marriage or children..Otherwise they would be better as angels. Humans have a genetic need for love, romance, caring , sharing..maybe Jehovah will expand the earth, who knows :icon_rolleyes:
Nothing is impossible for him to do. What ever he decides im sure it will delight our hearts.

Sisterly Love.
Elizabeth x

[kengirl]

Interesting topic, and yes, I agree that sometimes it&#39;s easy to get confused when one reads such scriptures. To be honest, whenever I get to feeling like that, I just tell myself that wherever Jehovah decides to have me spend eternity, there I will be and I will be pleased with it. Ultimately, the most important thing is to realize how undeserved this gift of everlasting life is. Once you put everything in perspective, everything else comes easy. Me, I have an earthly hope, and sometimes I like to imagine how things will be, but I try not to overthink it just because, at the end of the day, to me it&#39;s neither here nor there whether I end up in heaven or on a paradise earth, as long as I make it through.

[billy]

Ok this has been bothering me for a while now. Why is it that Jesus talked about only the heavenly resurrection when he was questioned by the Sadducees?

37 (http://target=_blank) But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed, in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah &#39;the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.&#39; 38 (http://) He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him." 39 (http://) In response some of the scribes said: "Teacher, you spoke well." 40 (http://) For no longer did they have the courage to ask him a single question.

Ok same question that the Sadducees asked but lets say instead the seven brothers and the woman are not of the heavenly class, so now what is the answer to the question? But really my question is why did Jesus only mention the heavenly resurrection to the Sadducees and not the earthly one where as the earthly one will have a lot more people then those who are of the heavenly resurrestion.[/b]


so under the Jewish law code - once you have been married and divorced by death or other reasons and marry another , you can not go back to a previous husband - the religous leaders would have known that law - so if in the earthly ressurection this situation may apply according to the jewish law code the woman would have to marry someone else or the be with the last husband provided he hadnt remarried</span> --- :Yahoo_33:

[Jualsy]

I have often wondered what the relationship would be like between a couple who had been married, and one had died, and the other one married again, and then the resurrected one comes back.....would they be friends?