“loyal To Christ And The Faithful Slave”.

[Kenneth]

Kenneth

[watchman]

The latest Watchtower study article is entitled "Loyal to Christ and the Faithful Slave". The article demonstrates that one of the fundamental reasons for summiting to the Governing body is that they are the instrument Christ is using to manage his earthly belongings.

Another reason given is that they are a spiritual temple and a place where Jehovah's spirit dwells. They refer to the slave as a 'holy temple class' and that certain right and responsibilities in the congregation belong exclusively to the collective slave. Thus all in the congregation must uphold their direction and view it as a privilege.

It appears that they are setting themselves up as gods in the Temple of God. After this study article is read out and commented on at the KH wow betide any who speak out against them.[/b]

Articles like that come out periodically. They are nothing new.

[eyes&ears]

The latest Watchtower study article is entitled "Loyal to Christ and the Faithful Slave". The article demonstrates that one of the fundamental reasons for summiting to the Governing body is that they are the instrument Christ is using to manage his earthly belongings.

Another reason given is that they are a spiritual temple and a place where Jehovah's spirit dwells. They refer to the slave as a 'holy temple class' and that certain right and responsibilities in the congregation belong exclusively to the collective slave. Thus all in the congregation must uphold their direction and view it as a privilege.

It appears that they are setting themselves up as gods in the Temple of God. After this study article is read out and commented on at the KH wow betide any who speak out against them.


Kenneth[/b]


Just my opinion, it seems to me something is getting ready to be announced or changed either locally or cross board. In our last service meetings we have been told, the FDS is Jehovah's instrument that he is using at this time, etc. etc. etc. We should cooperate with them not question Jehovah's arrangement of things. To question Jehovah's arrangement in using the FDS means we do not put complete trust in Jehovah.

I asked my hubby what did he get from these talks, he responded. "Oh this is just what I needed to hear. It is good information!!! :icon_rolleyes: :icon_eek: :dontknow: .

I thought to myself, Oh Jehovah what is going on here. Something is going on.

I pray that I am not over-reacting or getting neurotic, but I have a nagging, churning feeling in my stomach that something is going to take place from within. These talks are similar to talks we get when they are about to make a change in something we currently believe.

THIS IS JUST MY FEELING. AS I SAID I COULD BE OVER REACTING.

I KNOW THEY LURK HERE ON THESE BOARDS ALSO, AND SOMETIMES I THINK THEY ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS DISCUSSED ON THESE BOARDS.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY PEA BRAIN, GUT FEELING AND REACTION OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN HEARING IN THE MEETINGS LATELY.

LOVE TO ALL

E & E

[stayawake]

<div class='quotemain'>The latest Watchtower study article is entitled "Loyal to Christ and the Faithful Slave". The article demonstrates that one of the fundamental reasons for summiting to the Governing body is that they are the instrument Christ is using to manage his earthly belongings.

Another reason given is that they are a spiritual temple and a place where Jehovah&#39;s spirit dwells. They refer to the slave as a &#39;holy temple class&#39; and that certain right and responsibilities in the congregation belong exclusively to the collective slave. Thus all in the congregation must uphold their direction and view it as a privilege.

It appears that they are setting themselves up as gods in the Temple of God. After this study article is read out and commented on at the KH wow betide any who speak out against them.[/b]



Hi Ken,
It appears to me that ground work is being laid for the 2007 summer convention , which is "FOLLOW THE CHRIST ">
Christ meaning annointed , so now we know the rest of the story.

[Kenneth]

Articles like that come out periodically. They are nothing new.[/b]


Yes Watchman you are correct but this one has an eerie felling about it.



Kenneth

[Berean]

Just when you think they&#39;re getting it right, putting out a number of pretty good articles, they go into nazi mode again. Well, I&#39;m sorry, but the head of my congregation is Christ, and no one else. A slave should serve, not govern.


I KNOW THEY LURK HERE ON THESE BOARDS ALSO, AND SOMETIMES I THINK THEY ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS DISCUSSED ON THESE BOARDS.[/b]
You&#39;re not the only one, I have a feeling they use the Internet as a source of inspiration for many of their articles these days...

[Kenneth]

This place was once described as the ‘Rolls-Royse’ of apostasy. So I believe that Bethel is looking in on us as it’s such a threat. If they weren’t then what would be the point of this site. I doubt that e-watchman has had any an impact on mainstream JWs. The writings of e-watchman must therefore be a message to its leaders, and a warning from Jehovah that judgment is near. Even though there are those of us who have come into such knowledge we are an exception to the rule. The society has the mainstream JWs and the internet all sown up that it’s not a healthy place to be.

Kenneth

[Jeshurun]

Here are some past Watchtower articles related to "thinking outside the box".

Watchtower 1983 January 15 p.22 Exposing the Devil&#39;s Subtle Designs

Avoid Independent Thinking

20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God&#39;s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking. &#39;You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,&#39; Satan told Eve. &#39;You don&#39;t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.&#39; (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan&#39;s subtle design to infect God&#39;s people with this type of thinking.-2 Timothy 3:1, 13.

21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God&#39;s visible organization. For example, God&#39;s organization has from time to time given warnings about listening to certain types of immoral and suggestive music, and about frequenting discos and other types of worldly dance halls where such music is played and people are known to engage in immoral conduct. (1 Corinthians 15:33) Yet certain ones have professed to know better. They have rebelled against such counsel and have done what is right in their own eyes. With what result? Very often they have become involved in sexual immorality and have suffered severe spiritual harm. But even if they have not been so affected, are they not reprehensible if others follow their example and suffer bad consequences?-Matthew 18:6.

22 This fact cannot be overemphasized: We are in a war with superhuman foes, and we constantly need to be aware of this. Satan and his demons are real; they are not mere figments of the imagination. They are "the world rulers of this darkness," and we have a spiritual fight against them. (Ephesians 6:12) It is absolutely vital that we recognize their subtle designs and not allow ourselves to be overreached by them. Very appropriately, then, we will next consider how we can arm ourselves to fight against these wicked spirits.

Watchtower 1983 January 15 p.27 Armed for the Fight Against Wicked Spirits

Fight Against Independent Thinking
19 As we study the Bible we learn that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way. And just as in the first century there was only one true Christian organization, so today Jehovah is using only one organization. (Ephesians 4:4, 5; Matthew 24:45-47) Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?

20 Such thinking is an evidence of pride. And the Bible says: "Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling." (Proverbs 16:18) If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves: "Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God&#39;s organization?" No, we cannot!-Compare Acts 15:2, 28, 29; 16:4, 5.

21 When we consider the mighty spirit forces who are fighting against us, we must acknowledge that on our own we could not possibly win. Yet with God&#39;s backing, and with the help and support of his organization-our worldwide association of brothers-we cannot lose. (Psalm 118:6-12; 1 Peter 5:9) However, we must never forget that we are in a spiritual war, and that wartime is no time to be relaxing, enjoying only leisure and the pleasures of life. Rather, it is the time for vigorous training, alertness and self-sacrifice. The enemy has been able to get some from among us to relax their guard, and these have become battle casualties. May this never happen to us! It will not if we keep on "the complete suit of armor from God" and "stand firm against the [crafty acts] of the Devil."-Ephesians 6:11, 12.

Watchtower August 1, 2001 p. 14, par. 8

First, since "oneness" is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave." By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided "at the proper time" — through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions — we can be sure that we maintain "oneness" with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge. — Matthew 24:45.

[eyes&ears]

This is why, imo, it is extremely important not to be lulled to sleep by the constant repetitious goobly gook. These kinds of articles are to keep us in line. So what I do is take out what is helpful and digest it and leave the rest alone because it causes me to have spiritual indigestion and that irritates the lining of my brain that does my good thinking. I cannot have my neurons and stuff all clogged up with what I refer to as "SPIRITUAL GOOBLY GOOK" I have learned to stay focused on what Jehovah is saying, and that did not come easy.

I mean with the FDS & Evil Slave carrying on back and forth, this in itself is a chore to keep things straight. (Just my opinon again folks)
Every once in awhile I have to delete and vacuum out STUFF IN THIS OLE PEA BRAIN.

As I sit back and observe some of the friends in the meetings, I am not KIDDING HERE EVERYONE, they look like they are in a deep sleep/trance. I see Elders half asleep, during public talks and TMS. I understand about their heavy schedules and taking care of their families, but this is FRIGHTENING TO ME.

I remember for example memorial before last, the speaker said from the platform how Jesus died on the CROSS. (not the stake) I whispered to my relative "Did you hear what he said, he said Jesus died on the cross, not the stake." The relative replied, NO I DID NOT HEAR HIM SAY THAT.

Now granted that was a slip of the tongue, perhaps he was thinking something and it just came out, but nevertheless, I heard what I heard and that was only something very minor. (Hopefully it was a slip of the tongue, I don&#39;t want to be receiving sublimininal messages from the platform (kidding here folks - I think))

I thought to myself, um hm Keep sleeping OKEY DOKEY. That relative is one of the ones who is in a sleep like trance also.

Oh well, just some Eyes and Ears expressions, you know how I can go on and on. But I still say STAY AWAKE OKEY DOKEY, LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN PAY ATTENTION TO HOW WE LISTEN LU 8:18

Love to you all this day

E & E

[Molly]

I remember for example memorial before last, the speaker said from the platform how Jesus died on the CROSS. (not the stake) I whispered to my relative "Did you hear what he said, he said Jesus died on the cross, not the stake." The relative replied, NO I DID NOT HEAR HIM SAY THAT.


Oh well, just some Eyes and Ears expressions, you know how I can go on and on. But I still say STAY AWAKE OKEY DOKEY, LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN PAY ATTENTION TO HOW WE LISTEN LU 8:18

Love to you all this day

E & E[/b]


That was very interesting E&E. I particularly appreciated your application of Lu 8:18.
There is often a trancelike state at the meetings. Is anyone listening with discernment? Not too many, I am afraid. And if they did notice anything amiss, how many would say so?

About a year ago I pointed out to a sister that I thought was intelligent and had a good grasp of the scriptures something that I notice that scripturally didn&#39;t work and now she keeps me at a distance. That was before I found this site, so I still thought that everyone wanted to really dig deep for the truth. Apparently not.

Molly

[eyes&ears]

Hi Molly,

I am so glad you found this site. It has been a refreshing eye opener for me. I have learned a great deal. Hope you stay with us for awhile OKEY DOKEY. :D

Eyes & Ears