Johannes Greber And The Nwt

[Nambo]

Just come across the Watchtowers association with occultist medium Johannes Greber, and how they based thier New World translation of the New Testament on Grebers translation attributed to Spiritual channelling.

Does this mean that the NWT of the Christian/Greek scriptures is unreliable and if so how do the society feel in view of :- " We are told by Johannes Greber's foundation, "Late in the summer of 1923 God's holy spirits contacted Pastor Greber... In his spare time he started to work on his book "Communication with the Spirit World". Later he translated the New Testament with the help of God's spirit world."

The Johannes Greber Memorial Foundation provided a photo-copy of a letter from the Watchtower Society acknowledging receipt (before 1960) of not only several of his New Testaments, but also Greber's book "Communication with the Spirit World of God.". This is the irrefutable proof that the Watchtower fully knew that Greber was an occult spiritist. Why has the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's witness willingly and knowingly been in communication with a spiritistic society? Because the Watchtower believes that God communicates in a similar fashion with them!

It's true that in the April 1, 1983 Watchtower, page 31, under "Questions from the Readers", the Society claims that they found out from the 1980 Edition of the New Testament by Johannes Greber that he was involved with spiritism, and therefore they would not quote from his bible in the future. However, the facts are that the Watchtower Society knew, at least from 1956, that Johannes Greber was involved with demon spirits. They published an article in the Watchtower of February 15, 1956 where they stated that Johannes Greber was involved with demon spirits. With this knowledge, they deliberately used his "translation" of the bible as a basis for their "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures", in 1961."

[Zechariah]

Very interesting, thanks for the research Nambo. Definitely a cause for concern.
Unbelievable
agape,
Zechariah

[Sketch]

It's true that in the April 1, 1983 Watchtower, page 31, under "Questions from the Readers", the Society claims that they found out from the 1980 Edition of the New Testament by Johannes Greber that he was involved with spiritism, and therefore they would not quote from his bible in the future. However, the facts are that the Watchtower Society knew, at least from 1956, that Johannes Greber was involved with demon spirits. They published an article in the Watchtower of February 15, 1956 where they stated that Johannes Greber was involved with demon spirits.[/b]

Hey, wasn't there a recent WT that said that the WTS gets its direction from the annointed that have already died?? maybe thats who Greber was talking to... :icon_twisted:

[watchman]

I wonder if someone channeled the 1914 docrtine to the Watchtower? :n:

[eyes&ears]

Yup, the GREBER GREMLINS sent it out Brother Watchman, DONCHA KNOW :lol: :185: :imnotworthy: :icon_twisted:


E & E

[Berean]

Wait, I thought it was based on the Westcott and Hort text? And you can just check the original codices to see if they were accurately translated - that means a nut case wouldn't be able to influence Bible translation in any major way.

[Gabriel]

WOw! This is very upsetting. Just when you think that you've heard all there was to hear regarding the WBTS and their "cover ups" you find that there is still more trash under the rug. Im Df'ed, and I reconise my need of repentance...which is what im working on now. However the fact that I have to basicly write a letter,stating my errors,acknowledge the importance of Jehovahs organization, and last but not least, beg to be allowed back in the fold..... How can I do this when the very organization thats Judging me have sins thats darker than mine! At least I willingly reveled my errors so I can recieve correction and dicipline, but these ones who are "takeing the lead" feel no need in doing so, and basicly tell you to shut up,you dont know what you're talking about. I mean...the hypocracy of it all is sickening!

[Nambo]

Wait, I thought it was based on the Westcott and Hort text? And you can just check the original codices to see if they were accurately translated - that means a nut case wouldn't be able to influence Bible translation in any major way.[/b]

Well worth you guys doing a Google search on Johannes Greber.

From what I gather it just seems to be a few scriptures that the society used that backed up thier own doctrines, such as John 1.1
Now my view here is what better way for Satan to hide the truth than to have it come out of the mouth of a Demon, so no, it doesnt alter my opinion on the babylonish falsehood of the Trinity.

But it does show that the society will use teachings of demons to back up thier doctrines untill they are found out, for reading portions of Grebers book on the net where he describes how he would attend sittings with this boy who would slump into a trance to be posessesed by a spirit who would then tell Greber these things doesnt sound like the way Jehovah would operate.
So, the society knew this yet still quoted Greber for many years.

Mind you, wasnt it Russell that said something about truth being truth even if it came out of the mouth of demons?, which indeed may well be true, but how can one then diffeanciate between truth and lies?
And how does Jehovah feel about ones enquiring of demons, even if it is to get truth?

[Shibboleth]

Hey Nambo, I did the same thing and googled Gerber. I was amazed that that I found instances of the WT quoting him in the early 50's. Then in 1980 disavow Gerber and his translation.




Rev. 18

4 (http://) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues.[/b]

We must continue to heed this call as Jehovah's people. From the above it is aparent that the Society had not fully left Babylon the Great as it said it had.

I still hold onto the core teachings of Jesus to love one another and his prophetic proclamations for the end. I don't think what the Society has done in the past should discourage anyone, but it should encourage them to continue on to fight the fight for the faith. I sin daily and I feel that Jehovah doesn't listen to me anymore, but I continue to try and seek favor with Him and I think that is all we can do in this time of the end.

We can't control what is going to happen to this world and we can't get discouraged either. Hold your head high and keep praising Jehovah's name.

I fully believe that Jehovah will make things right.



Regards,

Shibboleth

[Steadfast]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The information presented here is exactly why it is wise to always use multiple translations when a question arises on the rendering of a verse. Going back to the original language also helps.

We really don't know what other 'translators' were involved in, do we? For instance: I just learned recently that the Darby translation was made by a man who promoted the pre-trib rapture teaching. The King James made a massive faux paux in favor of the trinity doctrine when it purposely skewed 1 John 5:6b concerning the 'three that bear witness in heaven.'

It has become obvious to me that many translators translated the Bible who support 'teachings of demons.' How was it that they came to be influenced to render a verse a certain way?

I'm not trying to minimize the importance of the information here, just trying to put it in perspective. Personally, I find the obvious freemason references in the NWT like 'Grand Master' particularly blatant, but not nearly as offensive as the 'mistake' found in the King James at 1 John 5.

Jehovah doesn't leave us without knowledge to help us decide what we want to do.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Nambo]

I sin daily and I feel that Jehovah doesn't listen to me anymore, but I continue to try and seek favor with Him and I think that is all we can do in this time of the end.

We can't control what is going to happen to this world and we can't get discouraged either. Hold your head high and keep praising Jehovah's name.

I fully believe that Jehovah will make things right.



Regards,

Shibboleth[/b]


You know Shibboleth, dont you think it must make Jehovahs heart glad that people like you who feel so unworthy of Jehovah, and maybe feel that he wont even listen to them or save them at the end, still hold Jehovah in high regard, still want to Love him even if they feel they might get nothing back?

Just like Job felt.

The sinner who wouldnt even raise his eyes to Heaven but beat his chest, "be gratious to me a sinner" proved more righteous than the one who could proudly boast of his ability to follow the letter of the law.

[Shibboleth]

<div class='quotemain'>I sin daily and I feel that Jehovah doesn&#39;t listen to me anymore, but I continue to try and seek favor with Him and I think that is all we can do in this time of the end.

We can&#39;t control what is going to happen to this world and we can&#39;t get discouraged either. Hold your head high and keep praising Jehovah&#39;s name.

I fully believe that Jehovah will make things right.



Regards,

Shibboleth[/b]


You know Shibboleth, dont you think it must make Jehovahs heart glad that people like you who feel so unworthy of Jehovah, and maybe feel that he wont even listen to them or save them at the end, still hold Jehovah in high regard, still want to Love him even if they feel they might get nothing back?

Just like Job felt.

The sinner who wouldnt even raise his eyes to Heaven but beat his chest, "be gratious to me a sinner" proved more righteous than the one who could proudly boast of his ability to follow the letter of the law.
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Thanks, Nambo. I have always been a humble person and I always pray that Jehovah looks at the good things I have done instead of the sinful things. I just keep trying, knowing full well that I am not as worthy as alot of people I meet, but I hope that Jehovah will find at least some favor in me.

Sometimes I just wish life to be simpler then it is. So many distractions in and out of the Truth. Johannes Gerber could be considered a distraction I refuse to let something like that distract me. Satan will use and continue to use his subtle machinations to get at the hearts of the people.

You know, I can take it if Jehovah found me unworthy because of things I did. What I won&#39;t be able to swallow is if I have to pay that price because of someone&#39;s else&#39;s stupidity.

[Molly]

Hi All-

It is interesting that most versions of the Bible were written with the bias of the individual or group doing the translating, simply because they would choose translate carefully but according to the way they understood the meaning. If you have to pick between synonyms that are close you base it your own understanding of how it should read. My husband used to get upset over the NWT&#39;s use of "be destroyed" rather than "perish" in John 3: 16. Then there is the example of Luke 23: 43: "And he said to him: &#39;"Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise."&#39; In this case the original Greek didn&#39;t have any punctuation, but someone thought it would be most appropriate to place a comma after the word you in the KJV.

One of the funniest of all was in the 1500&#39;s when a version of the Matthew&#39;s Version of the Bible included at the end of 1 Pet. 3: "And yf she be not obedient and healpfull unto hym endeavoureth to beate the feare of God into her heade, that thereby she maye be compelled to learne her duitie and do it." This version has come to be known as the Wifebeater&#39;s Bible.

Some people just have an agenda. It&#39;s a good idea to use a variety of Bibles for comparison.

Molly

[misilon]

I sin daily and I feel that Jehovah doesn&#39;t listen to me anymore, but I continue to try and seek favor with Him and I think that is all we can do in this time of the end.

We can&#39;t control what is going to happen to this world and we can&#39;t get discouraged either. Hold your head high and keep praising Jehovah&#39;s name.

I fully believe that Jehovah will make things right.



Regards,

Shibboleth[/b]

thank you for your lovely heart, made me cry ,..and gave me great renewed hope,..

[NEW HEART]

Revelation 18: 20-23
Be glad over her, O heaven, also you holy ones and you apostles and you prophets , because God has judicially exacted punishment (for you) from her!

And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: "Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon( the great city)New York? be hurled down , and she will be never be found again, And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman(Bethel) of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone(heavy burden...Bethel) will ever be heard in you again, and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again; and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants(Bethel Tours) were the top ranking men of the earth (RICH tradesmen)
, for (by your spiritistic practice (same as spirit directed organization) all the nations were mislead.)

Yes, in her was found the blood of the prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered in the earth. "(World war 2 Hitler camps, also those who were killed because of a party card ) Yes, in her was found the blood of the prophets and of the (holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth,( for following them to their slaughters)

This judgment comes against them because they are guilty of ursurping God&#39;s glory by giving glory to themselves...thats why they are guilty with the blood of the Holy Ones and all those who they corrupted with her fornication , and this is why Jehovah avenges their blood because of their bloodguilt of his slaves at their hands.

The Great City New York is home to the WTS and also the United Nations(the one she prostituted herself with, and World Stock Exchange(a place where all the traveling merchants became rich. Is this a coincidence too?

[Jeshurun]

because your traveling merchants(Bethel Tours) were the top ranking men of the earth (RICH tradesmen)

The Great City New York is home to the WTS and also the United Nations(the one she prostituted herself with, and World Stock Exchange(a place where all the traveling merchants became rich. Is this a coincidence too?[/b]

Dear Sister NewHeart

"the great city where their Lord was also impaled"

I can testify that New York City is a disgusting dump, but it can&#39;t be blamed for executing Jesus, or the prophets.

Wall Street is merely the American center through which London manipulates the financial world.

Agape
Lou

[Jinnvisible]

..... How can I do this when the very organization thats Judging me have sins thats darker than mine! At least I willingly reveled my errors so I can recieve correction and dicipline, but these ones who are "takeing the lead" feel no need in doing so, and basicly tell you to shut up,you dont know what you&#39;re talking about. I mean...the hypocracy of it all is sickening![/b]


Is I had time to research this my premise would proberbley, if they were involved in this , why?

For instance the King James bible is widely used. King James sat as a monarch on a so called demonic worldly government. His seat as British sovereign meant that he was a warlord. His predessor King Henry the VIII murdered his own wives and started his own national church to solve his marital concerns. People have stated that the King James translation has its demonically inspired downfalls i.e. the lack of God`s name.

I realise that the involvement of spiritisitic forces at a literary level would be more of a concern yet as berean stated you can check the original codices for accuracy.

What my question would be is what is the merit in what was asserted. What are the actual examples of it ?

For another instance you could quote Adolf Hitler speaking about a sense of order and show that even a twisted powermonger could see the basic fundamentals of an ordered society. Would that be wrong ?

I think you need to examine the specifics of the case to understand it properly, rather than the overview.