World War Iii

[Jeshurun]

In case anyone didn't see what I posted on the NWO Conspiracy thread, I thought this was important enough to start a new thread.

33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike, who had a 'vision' 130 years ago and proceeded to map out the three world wars, has been, as you guys from the UK like to say, "spot on" about the first two, predicted the following scenario for WWIII. It looks like Israel may indeed get "blown off the map", and the Muslim world will be turned upside down. From what I've read in other places, they plan on having 200,000,000 troops fighting it out in the area around Megiddo:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ⁴

PLEASE, any comments?

Lou

[Steadfast]

Dear Brother Lou,

Thank you for posting this. As incredible as it sometimes seems, Satan does have a 'plan' and a hierarchy to get it accomplished.

It makes sense that the world will be brought to the brink of destruction for mankind to reach the point where they will readily accept the New World Order as the solution for world peace.

For this to be fully implemented, religion must also morph into a 'counterfeit kingdom' that will stand in opposition to the Kingdom by Christ. This counterfeit kingdom will also have its 'false Christ' claiming to bring world peace.

Educating ourselves now to the wiles of Satan will turn out to be a protection since he wants to appear to be an 'angel of light.'

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Molly]

In case anyone didn't see what I posted on the NWO Conspiracy thread, I thought this was important enough to start a new thread.

33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike, who had a 'vision' 130 years ago and proceeded to map out the three world wars, has been, as you guys from the UK like to say, "spot on" about the first two, predicted the following scenario for WWIII. It looks like Israel may indeed get "blown off the map", and the Muslim world will be turned upside down. From what I've read in other places, they plan on having 200,000,000 troops fighting it out in the area around Megiddo:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ⁴

PLEASE, any comments?

Lou[/b]

Hello Lou-

I read the expanded version you posted on the other thread. It is extraordinary that these precise plans have been in the works for for some 130 years and are only now becoming known. Perhaps the Illuminati network feels that they have complete control and cannot be overcome. From all the news it also appears that everything is on track to fulfill their vision.

The fact that we do know their goals does show that Jehovah is a "Revealer of secrets." The things "hidden" are truly being revealed at a time when we need to know what is going on. It's also good to know that Jehovah will limit their success and finally end this madness.

Thank you so much, Lou, for all your research.

Molly

[Jeshurun]

…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.[/b]

This stood out in my mind when I read it. Why?

I have been reluctant to post what I have been researching in regard to what the Illuminati has been doing, using the CIA as a front, to create millions of mind-controlled monsters which they will trigger when the time is right. It involves millions of babies, kidnapped, purchased on the black market, or willingly given up by their "elite" parents to make them into whatever they will be useful for, whether it be generals, or slaves. The means used includes traumatizing and torture, drug therapy, hypnosis, lying and deceit, electronic zapping, structuring, body manipulation and programming, mind manipulation and psychological programming, spiritual controls, and other internal and external controls. One example of their output was Charles Manson, who set up his cult only 45 miles from where it was done, at the China Lake Naval Weapons Reserve in California.

In the state of California alone, from 1995 to 1999, over one half million children went missing, a large percentage of them infants, and most were never recovered. The numbers worldwide are staggering. You just cannot imagine how sinister it all is. Anyone who would care to look into this can PM me and I will give you the websites.

Regarding this information on Albert Pike, I actually found it while examining a website that Brother Olrono had sent me the link to. But as Molly said, it is Jehovah who is the revealer of secrets, and now we're finding out that it is not just necessarily his own secrets, but those of his enemies! And although the internet is used by Satan to promote his agenda, anyone searching for answers to anything can use any number of search engines to just put in the keywords, and voila! the world of knowledge is at our fingertips.

[olrono]

On that other matter, ever hear of “Son of Sam?” Well, Sam as in “Uncle Sam!”

[olrono]

Oh, I almost forgot. Don’t let everyone know that I am a bad influence on you!

[Jeshurun]

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ⁴[/b]

Lucifer is not mentioned in the New World Translation, instead it says " Shining One, Son of the dawn".

The masonicinfo.com website had this explanation of Lucifer:

LUCIFER
"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!""

"The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell? The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer.""

"Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, "bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King")."

"The scholars authorized by the militantly Catholic King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated from the Catholic Vulgate Bible produced largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and - ironically- the Prince of Darkness."

"So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.""

"And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say "Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God," while others with knowledge of the Latin and Hebrew texts say, "No, Lucifer is the classical Roman name for the morning star, and now Jesus is the morning star." This discussion can only anger certain fundamentalists. (I have at hand an evangelical tract from a Baptist church that says, "I believe in the Infallibility and Preservation of God's Word, of which the King James 1611 authorized version is the God-guided faithful translation.")"

"Fortunately, this issue of errors in biblical translations is not one that we have to struggle with ourselves. Generations of biblical scholars of all faiths have been aware of the mistranslations and of the misunderstandings that arise from the use of archaic terms whose meanings have been lost, or have evolved into different usages. To address these problems a conference was held in October 1946, attended by delegates of the Church of England, the Church of Scotland, and the Baptists, Methodists, and Congregationalist churches. At another meeting four months later, delegates from the Presbyterians and Quakers joined the original group, along with representatives of various Bible societies. Still later, observers were sent as representatives of the Roman Catholic Church."
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Now check out the Watchtower&#39;s input:

<span style="color:#4b0082">*** w02 9/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***

· Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?

The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

The Hebrew word translated "Lucifer" means "shining one." The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means "bringer of dawn." Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew "morning star" or "Daystar." But Jerome&#39;s Latin Vulgate uses "Lucifer" (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

Who is this Lucifer? The expression "shining one," or "Lucifer," is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a "proverbial saying against the king of Babylon." Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description "shining one" is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: "Down to Sheol you will be brought." Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: "Is this the man that was agitating the earth?" Clearly, "Lucifer" refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted Babylon&#39;s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: "To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High."—Isaiah 14:13, 14.

"The stars of God" are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:17) From David onward, these "stars" ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion three times a year. Thus, it became "the mountain of meeting." By determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above those "stars." Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them, he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah&#39;s place. So it is after being cut down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as the "shining one."

The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of "the god of this system of things"—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.


So is it possible that Lucifer will be a man who the NWO will put forth as the Antichrist?

The Watchtower is saying that the term "Shining One" is directed at a Babylonian dynasty, which fits the NWO.

[Nambo]

Wheres the scripture that condemns the King of Trye but is also a reference to Satan?, for I would think this scripture in Isaiah acts in the same way for this part "12 (http://) “O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth," looks very much as if it could apply to Satan as he fell from Heaven.


Also, where the society says it cannot be Lucifer as he will go down to Shoel, the plavce of Mankind, well, though he might not go down to sheol, he will be going to a corresponding place for Spirit creatures who dare to lift thier throne above the stars of God.


Most scriptures in the Bible seem to refer to two differant things at the same time, a typical and anti-typical, I think this looks like one of them.


I dont think the NWO would call thier Messaih Lucifer, he will be worshipped partly through deceipt and I think too many people would know who Lucifer is. More likely to call him the Christ.

[stayawake]

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I dont think the NWO would call thier Messaih Lucifer, he will be worshipped partly through deceipt and I think too many people would know who Lucifer is. More likely to call him the Christ.
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Nambo, i must agree. If the NWO is going to be the counterfiet Kingdom set up on earth in opposition to Christ Messeanic Kingdom, there would also have to be a Christ.
I am still dwelling on the new WT info that Kenneth presented, about the annointed GB representing Christ,and its our priveledge to have them in our mist
About five years ago at a DC Bro Carry Barber (one GB) had to be helped on the platform by two brothers,one on each side ,they sat him down to give his small part, but he recieved a standing ovation, the clapping seemed to go on forever. I am sure he himself did not expect that but it sure shows how easily one can be lead, to a human leader.
Since Kens and E&E concern over the new study, i was thinking like i said ground work may be being laid.
We MUST really keep on the WATCH.
Remember the word ANNOINTED means Christ.
Seems to me we are to believe that the GB annointed are a special annointed class among the annointed. ( WT teaching)
Now these are MY thoughts only BUT
I was thinking,
This summers convention theme is
""&#39;FOLLOW THE CHRIST"
So if they are going to represent Christ why not have one stationed at each District Convention.
Didn&#39;t Jesus say many would come in his name and say he was there or here, and not to believe it or be decieved.
One must also remember he was speaking to Gods Household (the wheat )
Well any way these are just some of my thoughts, there fore i speak only for myself.
love stayawake

[Dorcas]

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I dont think the NWO would call thier Messaih Lucifer, he will be worshipped partly through deceipt and I think too many people would know who Lucifer is. More likely to call him the Christ.[/b]



Nambo, i must agree. If the NWO is going to be the counterfiet Kingdom set up on earth in opposition to Christ Messeanic Kingdom, there would also have to be a Christ.
I am still dwelling on the new WT info that Kenneth presented, about the annointed GB representing Christ,and its our priveledge to have them in our mist
About five years ago at a DC Bro Carry Barber (one GB) had to be helped on the platform by two brothers,one on each side ,they sat him down to give his small part, but he recieved a standing ovation, the clapping seemed to go on forever. I am sure he himself did not expect that but it sure shows how easily one can be lead, to a human leader.
Since Kens and E&E concern over the new study, i was thinking like i said ground work may be being laid.
We MUST really keep on the WATCH.
Remember the word ANNOINTED means Christ.
Seems to me we are to believe that the GB annointed are a special annointed class among the annointed. ( WT teaching)
Now these are MY thoughts only BUT
I was thinking,
This summers convention theme is
""&#39;FOLLOW THE CHRIST"
So if they are going to represent Christ why not have one stationed at each District Convention.
Didn&#39;t Jesus say many would come in his name and say he was there or here, and not to believe it or be decieved.
One must also remember he was speaking to Gods Household (the wheat )
Well any way these are just some of my thoughts, there fore i speak only for myself.
love stayawake
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Dear stayawake,
Things sure are getting interesting! I just read the blog Countdown to Catastrophe. Things are exciting but fear-inspiring at the same time. The title for the convention sounds interesting. I wonder where the GB thinks we are being taken and if they think of themselves in the lead as Christ&#39;s "special anointed"!
Take care, my friend...Dorcashttp://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/MSN%20Vlinder.gif

[Jeshurun]

I agree that the first order of business for them will be to put forth a false Christ, but Pike&#39;s words indicate that they are looking to destroy Christianity, along with atheism, Zionism (Israel) and the Muslim world. So I believe they may attempt to make it look as if Christ has been defeated. It seems to me that&#39;s when they set up the Antichrist, which is straight up occult Satanism, or, the Luciferian doctrine that Pike mentioned. I see a relation between this and the destruction of Babylon the Great. It would seem that from Pike&#39;s forecast, and the Revelation declaring utter destruction for the harlot, that the radical Zionists would have to be defeated. It is also important to remember that three different branches of theosophies are due to converge at the final showdown, with the second oldest religion, Humanism, prevailing. As I have said before in another thread, this was the second oldest religion, which started when the serpent said to Eve: "Ye shall be as gods."

It seems to me that Pike&#39;s words indicate the false Christs are all done away with, and in the end, it&#39;s Satan&#39;s Antichrist vs. the Christ. It has to come down to man-rule vs. God rule. That way everyone will be judged fairly because the decision will be clear.

Now as far as why it is that such a vast majority of people make the wrong decision, that has to do with the way the Illuminati have conditioned the minds of the masses through the media, creating what is called "The Lemming Effect" which I will get into on Sunday!

That&#39;s why the coming witness work will be so vital, so people are put on notice that Christ is victorious in the end.


That&#39;s the way I see it, but I&#39;m humbly open to correction if I missed something.

Lou

[Nambo]

I agree that the first order of business for them will be to put forth a false Christ, but Pike&#39;s words indicate that they are looking to destroy Christianity, along with atheism, Zionism (Israel) and the Muslim world. So I believe they may attempt to make it look as if Christ has been defeated. It seems to me that&#39;s when they set up the Antichrist, which is straight up occult Satanism, or, the Luciferian doctrine that Pike mentioned. I see a relation between this and the destruction of Babylon the Great. It would seem that from Pike&#39;s forecast, and the Revelation declaring utter destruction for the harlot, that the radical Zionists would have to be defeated. It is also important to remember that three different branches of theosophies are due to converge at the final showdown, with the second oldest religion, Humanism, prevailing. As I have said before in another thread, this was the second oldest religion, which started when the serpent said to Eve: "Ye shall be as gods."

It seems to me that Pike&#39;s words indicate the false Christs are all done away with, and in the end, it&#39;s Satan&#39;s Antichrist vs. the Christ. It has to come down to man-rule vs. God rule. That way everyone will be judged fairly because the decision will be clear.

Now as far as why it is that such a vast majority of people make the wrong decision, that has to do with the way the Illuminati have conditioned the minds of the masses through the media, creating what is called "The Lemming Effect" which I will get into on Sunday!

That&#39;s why the coming witness work will be so vital, so people are put on notice that Christ is victorious in the end.


That&#39;s the way I see it, but I&#39;m humbly open to correction if I missed something.

Lou[/b]

You might be onto something thier Lou, maybe deciept is used by making the Antichrist appear as the Christ initially, then when everybody has subbmitted to him, he reveals his true nature.

And then maybe this is why Governments then turn on the Babylon the Great aspect of the New World Order?,

[Jeshurun]

You might be onto something thier Lou, maybe deciept is used by making the Antichrist appear as the Christ initially, then when everybody has subbmitted to him, he reveals his true nature.

And then maybe this is why Governments then turn on the Babylon the Great aspect of the New World Order?,[/b]

Maybe I&#39;m confusing myself and everybody else by referring to the final manifestation as Antichrist. Yes Nambo, the counterfeit Christ they put up will be the Antichrist, but something far more diabolical comes after that.

Let&#39;s look at it one more time:


"Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ⁴

So they have exhausted everyone&#39;s beliefs and hopes, and the end result is Christianity&#39;s "destruction". It&#39;s important to note that "Atheism" is gone too, so there must be some type of worship being promoted. That would leave the "doctrine of Lucifer". So once again, is Lucifer a man???