Abraham's Path

[Shibboleth]

I found this article extremly interesting. I hope you do to.

[Link removed, per site policy]

[DoubtingThomas]

Since we can't link to the article per site policy, maybe you can just summarize the article Shibboleth.

[Shibboleth]

I don't know why it was removed since it was linked to a newspaper database. And I was told if it was from a newspaper database we could post it. you can find the article on the christian science monitor. BTW the christian science monitor is a news agency not a religious site. It's one of the few places that actually give an unbiased view on the world unlike CNN and MSNBC and Fox.

It was a positive article on how a british historian and a Jordanian historian were completing a path that Abraham took from Ur. they were putting it together for people to actually walk in Abraham's footsteps and retrace his journey. They are putting together a list of host families that people could stay at while on the journey. They also described that some of it may be perilous since that area is in a constant uproar.

I thought it was a more positive article then some of the illuminati garbage that has been on this DB. (sorry but I do think the illuminati is plain garbage) At least it had to do with Abraham's travels instead of conspiracy theories. Kinda disappointed out of all the newspaper articles I linked this one gets the boot. /sigh





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Here is the DB policy : It is this site's policy to NOT allow external links without first obtaining permission from the board owner. This includes providing links to other message boards, and anti-JW sites. We will occasionally allow links that are from well-known newspapers, collegiate and scholastic sources, and research sources--provided that they are in keeping with the focus and purpose of this site and that they do not either dominate the discussions nor create a prevailing negative, critical atmosphere. Links may be removed without warning or notice by the board owner or his assigned administrators.

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To admin :

Why do I have a 50% post warn? Did this post warrant a 3 point warn? I was within the guidelines. The only thing I didn't do was say where it came from, which was a mistake on my part. In fact I was going on the conversation we had on this here. (http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=70)

I am not trying to be disruptive here. So if you can answer my questions and maybe clear up yet again what we can and cannot post it would be appreciated since you seem to have a problem with newspaper databases.

[Jeshurun]

I thought it was a more positive article then some of the illuminati garbage that has been on this DB. (sorry but I do think the illuminati is plain garbage)[/b]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Shibboleth. I've been reading the "garbage" for quite awhile now, and I have yet to find anything that doesn't fall directly in line with Bible prophecy. I have quite a clear picture of the future now that the prophecies simply do not cover. It helps a lot so that we are not misled, because as you know, even the chosen ones might be misled.

We just don't want you to be misled, Shibboleth, we're only trying to uncover Satan's scheme.

Lou

[Berean]

While I don't think a project like this can bridge the immense gaps that exist between the different religions, it is certainly a very commendable project. As the article mentioned, it will bring in some tourism to the region, and, more importantly, it enables us, the people who live today, to form a more clear picture of some events in the Bible. As a history student, I can certainly appreciate that people like these two researchers don't just dive into their books and write more books, but go out and use their knowledge to give something back to society. If only more scientists were like that, we wouldn't have endless debates about trivial matters, as is now often the case. Thanks for pointing out that article, otherwise I would have completely missed it, unless it would somehow find its way into National Geographic Magazine, which is not unthinkable.

[Shibboleth]

Hey Jeshurun I want to apologize if my statements about the topics you and others are interested in may have been a little much. It was not a slam on you or anyone else, so hopefully no one thinks that way. I have read through alot of the illuminati stuff you and others had printed here and I respect your opinions very much. I was just trying to make a parallel of sorts to what I posted since I believe it was a very positive article instead of just another conspiracy theory rundown. I talked to a good friend about this exact thing and I will just reitterate to you what I said to him. I basically look at the signs of the times. I scour newspapers and wire services on earthquakes, famines, wars, sights in the heavens and other things that Jesus spoke we would see before his presence. The Illuminati and Lucifern information is just to much for me to handle and I have no energy to research this stuff when I already research alot of other things. So I guess it's not that I find it like "garbage" (sorry if I used that wording) but I find some of it hard to believe and comprehend without me delving deep into it. I don't delve deep into those subjects cause I am already paranoid enough as it is. lol


To Berean and others concerning the news article :

Yeah I totally agree that it will never mend the gaps that these people have felt for thousands of years, but what it does say to them and us is that we have common ground. Abraham was a great man. He enjoyed things we will never be able to comprehend in this system. He entertained angels, talked with God, fathered an entire nation and travelled the known world from Babylonia to Egypt with a caravan with hundreds of people and livestock. Something, I don't think any of us could ever accomplish in this day and age.

[Nambo]

I thought it was a more positive article then some of the illuminati garbage that has been on this DB. (sorry but I do think the illuminati is plain garbage) At least it had to do with Abraham's travels instead of conspiracy theories.[/b]

Something I find difficult to understand, how somebody with the beliefs of a Jehovahs Witness can assume a Satanic influence on the powers that run the world can be garbage?

I do hope that your trust in so called "democratic" governments doesnt run the whole course.

As for it being "garbage", on what evidence do you base your statement on please?
For whilst us "conspiracy theorists" acknowledge we havnt got the full clear picture, we know it isnt garbage.
I wish I could reveal more to you but am refrained by such as the official secrets act, I wish I could tell you of the people I work with, the so called garbage societies they are actually in and refer to themselves such as Commitee of 300 and Bilderberg, I wish I could show you the aprons they have hanging in thier office,s.

We rejoice that we can see indications of Satans purpose coming to fruition as it means that Jehovahs Kingdom will come right behind it.

[Berean]

Well, one thing that would go a long way for me is if all those conspiracy theories wouldn't be published on shady websites that just seem to want to attract many visitors (for ad revenue, for instance), but in neutral, scientific publications, where they have undergone peer review. One thing I just wondered about last night is why that Ph.D. that wrote a book about 9/11 would publish under a pen name... does he even hold a Ph.D.? I don't want to outright dismiss the possibility that the government was in some way involved in 9/11, but it seems like a lot of guesswork is involved, and I'd like some reputable scientists to write a clear thesis on how exactly the Illuminati pull all the strings.

[Nambo]

Well, one thing that would go a long way for me is if all those conspiracy theories wouldn't be published on shady websites that just seem to want to attract many visitors (for ad revenue, for instance), but in neutral, scientific publications, where they have undergone peer review. One thing I just wondered about last night is why that Ph.D. that wrote a book about 9/11 would publish under a pen name... does he even hold a Ph.D.? I don't want to outright dismiss the possibility that the government was in some way involved in 9/11, but it seems like a lot of guesswork is involved, and I'd like some reputable scientists to write a clear thesis on how exactly the Illuminati pull all the strings.[/b]

Sounds like you only went to David Icke and Alex Jones, Ive got about a thousand links that would satisfy your criteria Berean, I just PMed you a dozen as Iam off to work now.

Those sites you describe are still usefull however, as they have news sections that provide links to respected news sources from around the world.
Guess the proffessionals who dig through all the worlds news sources have got to make a living somehow though.

[Shibboleth]

Hey Nambo,

Maybe i was a little harsh on my wording about it being garbage, but that is how I feel about it. I feel that if I delve to far into the dealings of the government I will form opinions about it and then I will be taking sides. I want to stay neutral on the government and it's views. That does not mean that I don't read about what the governement does. Quite the contrary. I scour all news agencies I can and I recomend that everyone do it. It gives you a more balanced view on the world as a whole. Another reason why I don't delve to far into these types of sites (illuminati) cause some don't have reputable reports. I can't take my time and try to discern if there are alien snakes inside the hierarchy or if Bush planted the bombs in the World Trade Centers himself. I would go completly insane trying to figure all that out.

So I go on what Jesus told us and what signs to look for and I do exactly that.

Maybe it's the fact I don't want to know about the illuminati. Maybe I am scared of what I will find, but that is just something I am going to ahve to deal with for myself. Sorry that this thread turned into a debate about this. I didn't meant for that to happen.

Regards,

Shibboleth

[Nambo]

Hey Nambo,

Maybe i was a little harsh on my wording about it being garbage, but that is how I feel about it. I feel that if I delve to far into the dealings of the government I will form opinions about it and then I will be taking sides. I want to stay neutral on the government and it's views. That does not mean that I don't read about what the governement does. Quite the contrary. I scour all news agencies I can and I recomend that everyone do it. It gives you a more balanced view on the world as a whole. Another reason why I don't delve to far into these types of sites (illuminati) cause some don't have reputable reports. I can't take my time and try to discern if there are alien snakes inside the hierarchy or if Bush planted the bombs in the World Trade Centers himself. I would go completly insane trying to figure all that out.

So I go on what Jesus told us and what signs to look for and I do exactly that.

Maybe it's the fact I don't want to know about the illuminati. Maybe I am scared of what I will find, but that is just something I am going to ahve to deal with for myself. Sorry that this thread turned into a debate about this. I didn't meant for that to happen.

Regards,

Shibboleth[/b]

No worries Shibboleth, and you may well be right for it is written that we should not peer to deeply into the deep things of Satan.

Some of us think its important though for Witnesses because we think this terrorism stuff is just propogander to get people to hate Muslims and to frighten people into excepting we need a police state leading to the New World Order, when we see Witnesses walking along this road of deicept, our natural JW instinct of trying to ram the truth down peoples throats takes over.

Its all done from Love.

I would be a lot more respected if I kept my opinions to myself at work.

Iam also putting myself in very real danger due to where I work and what I do.
One of my colleages, not religious but certainly Illuminati aware, has allready been warned that he better "shut up!"