Two Editions Of Watchtower

[eyes&ears]

I am not going to the TMS tonight due to the horrible icy weather here.

I read on another board that it was announced at the Service Meeting that beginning Jan 2008 there will be two editions of the Watchtower published MONTHLY.

The issue of the WT for the 1st of the month will be offered to the public

The issue for 15th of the month will contain all study articles for the month and will not be offered to the public at the doors (etc.)

I have not heard this announcement in any Service meetings so far.

Will someone confirm if this is true if you attend TMS this week.

Interesting if there is any truth to this at all. KEEP HOLDING ON TIGHT EVERYONE OKEY DOKEY.

Thank you so much

Eyes & Ears

[LoveJehovah]

I have not heard this news but our Service Meeting is not until Thursday evening and do not know if it will be held or not due to the terrible weather (snow storm) we are having but will post if I hear anything. Be safe and warm.

[Juan]

I am not going to the TMS tonight due to the horrible icy weather here.

I read on another board that it was announced at the Service Meeting that beginning Jan 2008 there will be two editions of the Watchtower published MONTHLY.

The issue of the WT for the 1st of the month will be offered to the public

The issue for 15th of the month will contain all study articles for the month and will not be offered to the public at the doors (etc.)[/b]

Yes it's true. I was the meetings last Tuesday evening.

[eyes&ears]

Thank you very much Juan. :D

E & E

[Zechariah]

I wonder what they are tying to hide. First they stop subscriptions and now they have a secret edition. Makes you want to go huuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm!

[stayawake]

IMHO
they must do something quick. They must tighten the box.
The Messeanic Kingdom is due, The NWO is due. Their ears are going to have to be tickled, to keep them blind.
What better way then to have them believe their deliverence is so near, that only they will be fed from Jehovah. We are going to witness a great increase in pioneering,that will keep the friends busy.
Those inside have been waiting for something like this to happen. Some may even view it as a sign,a blessing that they are counted being very special. You just wait and see. If one was very loyal to the WT, what else would one think ???
I am sure the WT is hoping this will stop the WT studies from reaching this board. This will make them feel that He is finally closing the door.
Put youself in their place, none of them knowing the truth about the truth.
As things will be worsening each day, by 2008
they will believe with out a shadow of a doubt that this is IT
Sad thing is ,is it probably will be.
love stayawake

[Jeshurun]

They can have all the secret editions they want, let's see how much "new light" is in them.

Or whether the "contribution" goes up.

On that thought, if the end is so near, why be so protective of the Kingdom coffers? They should start giving some of those billions to the pedophile victims.

[Berean]

The way I see it is, they are quickly running out of light. Instead of getting brighter, their path seems to become dimmer quickly. First they scrap half of all Awakes, then half of the Watchtower, assuming that they won't increase the number of pages, and the study articles take up less than half of each Watchtower now. They're running out of things to write, and that's rather sad.

[Molly]

Maybe this is just a cost cutting effort. After all, they will only need to print some 6 million of the second WT rather than the 26 or 27 milliion they now print. We wouldn't want to deplete the coffers now would we.

Perhaps the interest is way down and they only feel there is a need to publish once per month for the public. Maybe they think that the end is so close that once per month is sufficient, since the really interested ones ought to be at the Hall by now if they are going to get into the ark before Jehovah closes the doors.

Regardless of how they view the situation, they are still misleading the majority of Witnesses with their misguided assertions regarding Jesus' supposed return in 1914. Therefore they cannot be considered on the watch. Jesus said at Matt. 24: 44: "On this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that you do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming." Or, Luke 12: 40: "You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely the Son of man is coming." These two scriptures had always intrigued me, but now they make perfect sense. The simple fact that the JW's think he has already arrived precludes them from expecting him.

Molly

[Berean]

Maybe they think that the end is so close that once per month is sufficient, since the really interested ones ought to be at the Hall by now if they are going to get into the ark before Jehovah closes the doors.[/b]
If so, that would be a grave misjudgment, going against Matthew 20:6, 7, which suggests that even at the end, people will come in to 'work in the vineyard', and they will receive the same wage as everyone. So the preaching work should never take a backseat, especially not during this 'eleventh hour'.

[stayawake]

IMHO
The news about the study articles all boils down to Mind Control. We are being told a whole year in advance to get our act together.So the whole idea is to make sure from this new announcement on ,that you prove you want to be under the WT care. This means attending all the meetings,
If you don't qualify by 2008 then one will not qualify to recieve the WT study. Another force of do or else.
Remember how loving some congergations are with that study WT now.
Think about how lovingly, just before the study starts, the announcement has been made
""who ever needs a WT please raise your hand'.
Was this loving or was it meant to imbarress !! Every one was shown who did not study their lesson.
I must add though that some cong still had enough love to set the extras in the back, for folks to just oick one up as they came in.
I have already seen a elder slowly walking ,and stopping during the study to see how many had their lesson underlined.
this new movement is to get rid of the drift wood. They want to lock the doors to protect they that can be controlled. What better place to try it, "INside the HOUSE OF GOD". then onto the NWO.

[Nash]

Hi folks.

I don't think that cost-cutting is the motivating force here. It seems clear to me (if this is all true, which it seems to be) that the WTS can't have any more 'negative publicity' on the internet. There are so many contradictions, far-fetched reasoning, changing of doctrine, etc., and other things that have come out of some of the Watchtower study articles that have been exposed that the best way to 'control' the situation /people who understand the internal problems is to not allow them access to the information within. In other words, the WTS realize that they have dug themselves into a hole and they don't want to bury themselves even more by trying to hide the problems within to those on the outside.

This is a bad move. How can the Watchtower "Announce Jehovah's Kingdom" when the study articles will not even be made available to the public?

Nash

[James]

I'm with Molly on the cost-cutting theory. We've seen the books switched to soft cover, the Awake reduced to once a month, which is 12 less issues a year (March 2007 Average Printing 34,267,000)! That equals 411,204,000 per year. Now if we only print approx. 7 million Watchtowers instead of (March 1,2007 Average Printing 28,578,000) 12 times a year, that an additional savings of 258,936,000 magazines per year! So if we add both together that means 670,140,000 less magazines printed a year! That has to be a huge cost savings.
Now there must be more than cost-saving behind this, I don't see this stopping it from reaching others via the internet or otherwise. I guess we'll have to wait and see how this develops.

James

[olrono]

In my day, this would never have been imaginable! I think it can mean only one thing, magazine orders are down and they have to adjust accordingly. This is really a bitter sweet revelation, for I had so wished they would pay for their sin and now to actually see it happen brings tears to my eyes.

[Jeshurun]

that an additional savings of 258,936,000 magazines per year![/b]

That's a lotta trees!

[Nash]

While I can acknowledge that the Society has demostrated some cost-cutting incentives recently, I still think that the primary motivation for this newest change is more of a damage control/preventive procedure.

If cutting costs were the issue, why not simply make one Watchtower magazine per month for everybody, study articles included?

Nash

[eyes&ears]

Hi Stayawake,

My husband says HE REFUSES TO UNDERLINE. He says he has never underlined and he WILL NOT UNDERLINE.

I was like, OK, calm down its OKEY DOKEY, GET A GRIP HERE NOW!! :ban_dance01: :dontknow: :185: I DON'T THINK JEHOVAH GIVES A HOOT whether you underline or not. Some people underline so much the whole paragraph looks like a coloring book of a 3 year old. Bright pink, blues, it is really funny.

My thoughts on this underline business, is are we sincere with all this showy display doing it just for people to see, or is it to really help one bring out points they want to share.

Me, I just use a light colored pencil and underline a word or two on something I FIND INTERESTING. NOT NECESSARILY IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

Oh I know they do look at the underlining, because one time in a JC meeting I had, they commented on how I do my lessons and underline
(hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)


Oh well, Jehovah is watching the shepherds and their assistants with all the all these little man made things.
Love to all

E & E

[Kenneth]

You will be amazed at the comments that microphone attendants give

[Molly]

Hi Nash-

My idea about the cost cutting was more an attitude that the annointed have about the coffers than really less expense. It is more of an attitude about hoaring money as if their gold or silver could save them in the day of Jehovah's anger. Cutting costs would just allow them to keep more of it. After all, it isn't about us any longer, it's about them.

Molly

[Molly]

While I can acknowledge that the Society has demostrated some cost-cutting incentives recently, I still think that the primary motivation for this newest change is more of a damage control/preventive procedure.

If cutting costs were the issue, why not simply make one Watchtower magazine per month for everybody, study articles included?

Nash[/b]

Hi Nash-

I doubt that there is only one reason for the switch. There is definitely a manipulative mentality about it as well. They can control who has access to the information they want us to know as well as control how we understand. There is something insidiously wrong with everything that is happening of late. So, it's not really a surprise to those of us who can step back and observe objectively, but how many at the Hall see it that way. They are about three steps away from bowing down to the FDS due to the misguided teachings they are receiving. The whole feel at the Hall has been getting creepy.

Molly

[Molly]

<div class='quotemain'>Maybe they think that the end is so close that once per month is sufficient, since the really interested ones ought to be at the Hall by now if they are going to get into the ark before Jehovah closes the doors.[/b]
If so, that would be a grave misjudgment, going against Matthew 20:6, 7, which suggests that even at the end, people will come in to &#39;work in the vineyard&#39;, and they will receive the same wage as everyone. So the preaching work should never take a backseat, especially not during this &#39;eleventh hour&#39;.
[/b][/quote]


Berean-

Actually the preaching hasn&#39;t really begun yet in earnest! It will really get started after the chosen are annointed but that is neither here or there because that is not what JWs think. According to the Greatest Man book (97), they think that the workers were those in the Law covenant, especially the priests who should have had the first opportunity to join, and those living in the days of the apostles. The denarius was to be received at Pentecost. This is one of those parables that they twisted the Scriptures to fit their preconceived notions about first last and last first.

I know you understand that this is not true but how many Witnesses at the Hall get it. If they question the WTS at all on this, they certainly aren&#39;t vocal about it. So, while you sound like you have it straight, they do not understand it that way at all.

In reading so many posts here, I can see that some people have a mixture of the WTS teachings and Roberts information, so thoughts about what the Bible is actually saying sounds different to different people. But it is good to have a forum to hash it all out and get it straight in our own minds.

Molly

[eyes&ears]

Hi Molly,

I wonder also about the mental manipulation taking place that is so very blatant to me right now. I have also taken several steps backwards as I observe and listen to the many things taking place now and especially locally at the KH I attend.

As you say, and I am inclined to agree with you (IMO) the feel at my congregation is also unsettling. (creepy)

How many are aware. I have no idea in my hall with the exception of 1 or 2 and of those 2 it is questionable. If they are aware they sure do not act like it, or speak like it. If they are acting, they are doing a fantastic job of covering over what they know as I AM DOING NOW.

Interesting times indeed Molly. May Jehovah continue to bless you and all of us as we KEEP ON THE WATCH AND NOT FALL ASLEEP.

E & E

[DoubtingThomas]

I have a question on this subject, if someone can help me here, as I missed the TMS and Service Meeting this week. Was this announcement on the new WT arrangement (which is set to begin in 2008) a published part in the Feb. 2007 Our Kingdom Ministry or was it in the form of a letter read which was read to the congregation during the announcements part? I am in the process of switching congregations, and I have not received my Feb. 2007 KM yet, so if it is a published article then I will be able to read for myself the reasons given by the WTBTS for this new change. But if this announcement came in the form of a letter read from the platform, could someone please share with me the reason given by the WTBTS for this change? What is the "official" explanation given by them. BTW - I too am very suspicious of what is happening, and also feel very "creepy" about things happening not only inside my local congregation, but the entire organization as well. Something just doesn&#39;t sit right with me about this matter too, but I would first like to hear the so-called "official" reason from the so-called "faithful slave" for this change, if someone could please enlighten me on this it would be appreciated.

[clay]

I have a question on this subject, if someone can help me here, as I missed the TMS and Service Meeting this week. Was this announcement on the new WT arrangement (which is set to begin in 2008) a published part in the Feb. 2007 Our Kingdom Ministry or was it in the form of a letter read which was read to the congregation during the announcements part? I am in the process of switching congregations, and I have not received my Feb. 2007 KM yet, so if it is a published article then I will be able to read for myself the reasons given by the WTBTS for this new change. But if this announcement came in the form of a letter read from the platform, could someone please share with me the reason given by the WTBTS for this change? What is the "official" explanation given by them. BTW - I too am very suspicious of what is happening, and also feel very "creepy" about things happening not only inside my local congregation, but the entire organization as well. Something just doesn&#39;t sit right with me about this matter too, but I would first like to hear the so-called "official" reason from the so-called "faithful slave" for this change, if someone could please enlighten me on this it would be appreciated.[/b]

DT
The announcement came in the form of a letter read to the cong. The "Public Edition" of the 1st of the month WT are to be worded in language that is more generic, versus the "Study Edition" of the 15th of the month WT is more specifically addressed to the needs of the baptized JW&#39;s, and studies that are progressing towards baptism. Verbage used that much of the public isn&#39;t the familiar with, the "Witness speak" will be used primarily in the Study Edition, along with articles that are more pointed to JW&#39;s.

It will surely save a bunch on printing costs, as pointed out previously. It will be interesting to see what is next.
clay

[Watchful Soul]

This is all very interesting to me. While the WT version offered to the public will probably not have any of the slamming of BTG comments, etc., this will not keep the comments made in the study version from being quoted by people like us on the internet. What I am really curious about is what will be on the WT CDs.

[Nash]

Hi Nash-

I doubt that there is only one reason for the switch. There is definitely a manipulative mentality about it as well. They can control who has access to the information they want us to know as well as control how we understand. There is something insidiously wrong with everything that is happening of late. So, it&#39;s not really a surprise to those of us who can step back and observe objectively, but how many at the Hall see it that way. They are about three steps away from bowing down to the FDS due to the misguided teachings they are receiving. The whole feel at the Hall has been getting creepy.

Molly[/b]

This I can agree with. Sadly, things do seem to be getting stranger and stranger.

Nash

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

I have been away from home this week. Can anyone tell me if this announcement has been made in Britain yet?

Thanks,

EF

[olrono]

If it is as all of you described, how are they “saving” any thing? They are still printing two Watchtowers a month, no? And imagine how confusing this is going to be? I mean, how are they going to differentiate one from the other? I can see it now, during a WT study, someone comments from the wrong issue! Or even out in field service, you place the wrong one with the house holder! Maybe they will make the public one in RED, and the one for internal consumption BLUE? I will definitely keep my ears to the ground on this matter. Thanks all! Agape, O’l Rono

[Kenneth]

I have been away from home this week. Can anyone tell me if this announcement has been made in Britain yet?

Thanks,

EF[/b]

The whole thing is news to me, we didn&#39;t have it announced either perhaps we will have it in the coming weeks.

[Criterion]

Here is a copy of the letter that announces the change.

[Wanderer]

Dear All,

I appreciate every angle to this issue. I work and live in a country where the "work" is banned (yes, they still exist!). I find the whole "two-edition" idea very disturbing. The Society would be more honest were it to humbly own up to its many errors; it is doing the exact opposite. Worse, it is being deceitful since the public edition of the WT will most likely serve as a snare to non-witnesses, presenting them with a doctored image of the Organization. I feel a general drift into some kind of Orwellian world which bodes no good for Jehovah&#39;s flock.

May we all remain thankful to our heavenly father for one thing: we have his word which no one can take away from us. No amount of watchterian spin can change that fact.

Brotherly greetings.

Wanderer

[eyes&ears]

Thank you very much Criterion for posting this very informative letter.

I always like confirmation. I would have known about this, if the weather was not bad and I made it to the meeting.

Take care

Eyes & Ears

[Nash]

Thanks Criterion for posting the letter.

Welcome to the board, Wanderer.

Nash

[Wanderer]

Thanks Criterion for posting the letter.

Welcome to the board, Wanderer.

Nash[/b]

Thanks Nash. I hope it will be a fruitful experience.

[Sketch]

maybe I&#39;m a bit dense... as I&#39;m sure some of you will agree.... but tell me again how this really changes anything?? i mean, yes the "public" will see one version, but its not like study version is super-secret. what if it really IS all about saving money on printing??

I&#39;m not one to trust anything from the WTS without a good look at it, but why is this so obviously a bad thing to you all?? I must be missing something...

would ANY change (other than complete apologies and reversals on some dogmatic issues) be seen by this forum as GOOD or even benign??

[Molly]

maybe I&#39;m a bit dense... as I&#39;m sure some of you will agree.... but tell me again how this really changes anything?? i mean, yes the "public" will see one version, but its not like study version is super-secret. what if it really IS all about saving money on printing??

I&#39;m not one to trust anything from the WTS without a good look at it, but why is this so obviously a bad thing to you all?? I must be missing something...

would ANY change (other than complete apologies and reversals on some dogmatic issues) be seen by this forum as GOOD or even benign??[/b]


Good point Sketch-

I have been pondering since my first post on this thread whether because of all the unsavory information I have learned about the pedophile issue and the UN-NGO issue that there is just a general skepticism about anything that the WTS does any more. I am sure that a couple of year ago this change would not have been anything that would have upset me. Now, I am suspicious about most everything that goes on. Indifference isn&#39;t good but questioning everything is unfair as well.

Molly

[stayawake]

HAS ANY ONE Read todays WT lesson. !!! If this is a preview of what the studies are coming to,i can see why they will be private.
I am not going to say what i seen for fear my eyes are decieving me.
As you read this article on the Resurrection&#39; keep in mind what Jehovah s WORD says. Also keep in mind God does not change,And what HE HATES>
I am not saying another word at present, so as to see,how many are still AWAKE.
IMHO, this should be something that would knock ones socks off.
Some have posted that this new change seems very errie, its all there in todays lesson if the study is on the Resurrection. Please don&#39;t miss it.
love stayawake

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

Sketch, you do make a good point, but ask yourself whether if this is a money saving exercise it really makes sense? For decades the WTS has been happy to issue the Watchtower magazine to the public with all manner of incomprehensible Witness speak to the uninitiated - now it&#39;s a problem? If this was to save money wouldn&#39;t it be more sensible to issue on monthly universal magazine, slightly expanded to include sufficient study material?
There must be another reason. I wonder if it has something to do with the study version not being made available to the general public and therefore subject to a different application of the copyright rules if replicated on sites like this. Remember the forced closure of the Scandinavian site for publishing the elders manual? I feel certain that whatever the reason, there is more to this than is explained in the WTS letter.

Stayawake,
are you refering to paragraphs 11 to 13? Not only are these paragraphs erroneous in almost everything they say, but I find it disturbing that they claim to be receiving insight from ressurected annointed ones rather than Jehovah, his Holy Spirit or from Jesus Christ has Head of the Christian congregation. This is like Rutherford&#39;s claim that Taze Russell inspired the Finished mystery! Paragraph 12 is pure speculation, it even acknowledges it is unscriptural in one breath but then goes on to justify the assertion by misapplying Paul&#39;s words in paragraph 13!

If I am missing something else you&#39;ve seen, please tell us all - these are the matters which count.

EF

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

You might also want to place a mirror on the picture on page 29 with the mirror vertically down the picture facing from left to right. The depiction of a goat&#39;s head is clearly revealed and is being given obeisance by the hands. Another pair of hands hold the horns. This is an unmistakeable image. The eyes, horns, nostrils and mouth are perfectly positioned in the folded cloth - surely no coincidence!

When coupled with the misleading material published in this study, there can be little doubt of its origin.

EF

[stayawake]

Dear EF,
you have it right,not only were those paragraphs disturbing, but the communicating with the DEAD ,was unbelievable.( bringing out that the 1935 info on the Great Crowd, probably came from one of the 24 elders who represent the annointed ,who have already died and gone to heaven. )
COME ON NOW !!
Just how did Jehovah view King Sauls take on getting in touch with the dead.?? Jahs spirit left Saul, leaving Saul wide open for the demons.
The WT is going to have to have public free studies, if they are going to present what Jehovah HATES as being accepted.
1Pet 4:17
love stayawake

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU ² not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.</div>
^{<div align="left">3} Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. ⁴ He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. ⁵ Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?</div>
⁶ And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time. ⁷ True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. ⁸ Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. ⁹ But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents

[eyes&ears]

Good Sunday Morning Everyone :D

I read this Watchtower awhile back, and it was discussed here awhile back.

It is eerie indeed.

I will be paying attention to the comments expressed in the meeting today, since I am at present still on the outside looking in right now, and cannot comment.

Also, as we all know, there are things going on inside the org that Jehovah is not pleased with. I have learned from my experience before the board was cleaned up how to control my shock, pain, anger when I see things that are not supported by Jehovah&#39;s Word happening inside the org and my local congregation.

This board is a place of refreshment to me, and I am sure to others as well. I pray we keep our comments as positive as possible even though we are shocked at what is taking place right now.

I am sure we all can find a way to express our horror and indignation as to what is taking place and season it with LOTS OF SALT. WE KNOW GOOBLY GOOK WHEN WE READ IT AND HEAR IT. Just chew on the meat and don&#39;t eat the fat and gristle OKEY DOKEY. :y: :D

I care deeply and respect you all and value your expressions, just hope we can keep things on the positve and upside. I am certainly not talking down to anyone, that is not who I am, I just don&#39;t want to ever lose what we have here A PLACE OF REFRESHMENT.

Your sister
Eyes & Ears

[stayawake]

Yes, dear EF
2Thess 2:1-12 says it all
Thank you much, stayawake

[Berean]

I noticed that the elder who read the paragraphs at our meeting smiled after reading paragraph 12. I do not know if the reason he did so was because of the contents of the paragraph, but I wouldn&#39;t outright dismiss that possibility. Even the study conductor emphasized that it&#39;s just a possibility (the &#39;Biblical parallel&#39; in paragraph 13). I think many people felt a bit uncomfortable - at least the ones who kept their brains on the inside of their skull, where they belong, and not in the washing machine.

[Nambo]

Now, especially having read the WT letter, I couldnt see the problem with this, the Watchtower could be too heavy for many Witnesses to enjoy, never mind the general public to whom we where placing them with, I used to get some many comments of, "I like the Awakw but not so much the Watchtower", so a lighter, public version does make more sense?

But Stayawake, Iam probably now counted as public so wont get to see the insiders copy, any chance of PM-ing me a scan please?,
For if it is a case of material that the public mustnt see, this is indeed a cause for concern.

[Elihu]

" this board is a place of refreshement for me, and i am sure to others as well"
yes indeed eyes&ears and i have missed these discussions after feeling a great deal of negativity about my input about a year ago.

"i pray we keep our comments as positive as possible"

absolutley let us examine and test but always remember that Jehovahs Witnesses&#39;s are Jehovahs people, and as watchman has shown from scripture their failings are evidence of that very fact.

seeking refreshment
Elihu

[candy]

Hi all
Been around this forum for a while but have not posted much. I do enjoy the thoughts of others in my struggle to hold on
I just read the letter but is this for only the USA as our mags are printed in UK for us in this part of the caribbean or is it worldwide.the reason is that the when the change from charge to free it was not universal plus we do get the odd brochure for certain areas.

Didn&#39;t made to hall today because of work but I heard that you could have a heard a pin drop at times. the comments were slow in parts as the conductors tried his best. a lot of youngsters and hardcore ones with the elders mostly try to explain it all.one said that this is solid food

I consider myself to be a thinking bro. not to reject everything but to see how they fit.not sure of this on bit hard to grasp but they say it was a possibility but as i point out to my wife that part is usually not stress as such.

Candy

[DoubtingThomas]

Welcome aboard Candy and Elihu. We look forward to your comments and getting to know you better.

[candy]

Thanks for your welcome DT.
I have been here since the early days of e-watchman thru to paradise cafe. I have read all that been written but not comment much.
I have been help greatly by comments of many Alex is one that comes to mind and others.
I do hope that this forum continue and I try to comment more in return .
Candy

[Nash]

Hi Candy and Elihu!

Welcome to the Board!

Nash

[Martha]

I noticed that the elder who read the paragraphs at our meeting smiled after reading paragraph 12. I do not know if the reason he did so was because of the contents of the paragraph, but I wouldn&#39;t outright dismiss that possibility. Even the study conductor emphasized that it&#39;s just a possibility (the &#39;Biblical parallel&#39; in paragraph 13).[/b]
Hi everyone,

I am curious to read this article, does anyone have a copy/scan that I can read?

Many thanks.

Mx

[DoubtingThomas]

I will try to scan and post a copy of the article sometime later today Martha, unless someone gets to it before me. But I should have some time later this afterenoon (my time zone is West Coast of USA).

[Shibboleth]

Is the light getting brighter or darker?

[Jeshurun]

Is the light getting brighter or darker?[/b]

I think it&#39;s blinkin&#39; :icon_redface:

[Shibboleth]

<div class='quotemain'>Is the light getting brighter or darker?[/b]

I think it&#39;s blinkin&#39; :icon_redface:
[/b][/quote]

That may be true :icon_cool:

But right now it seems like we are headed into some dark days and the light coming from the Society seems dim to me.

[Martha]

I will try to scan and post a copy of the article sometime later today Martha, unless someone gets to it before me. But I should have some time later this afterenoon (my time zone is West Coast of USA).[/b]

Thank you DT, much appreciated. [attachment=10:thumbsup2.gif]

Mx

[DoubtingThomas]

<div class='quotemain'>I will try to scan and post a copy of the article sometime later today Martha, unless someone gets to it before me. But I should have some time later this afterenoon (my time zone is West Coast of USA).[/b]

Thank you DT, much appreciated. [attachment=10:thumbsup2.gif]

Mx
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Martha I just posted the article under a new thread titled: The First resurrection.

[Martha]

Thanks for this DT. I have just read the article. :)

Mx

[Viking]

:ban_dance02: I think it is reasoned by the decline of the interest of the public in therir mags. and how many mags are on store in the houses of the brothers?
They recognize the costs and the see that the donations get less.
so they plan to tighten the belt and keeping the expenses.

But the world is ready for the final stage. We await that the 10 horns destroy the harlot. That means that the world will be dominated by martial law.

it is coming, putin has ordered his military into alert. further he has orderd the special troops - spetsnaz - to protect Russian projekts in Persia.

Bush declares the whole world as battelfield for American interests. So woh wonders that the climate gets colder.

the war in Iraq is a fake, even Reps deny further troops to be sended their while the stage for the war with Iran is prepared.

So what is needed to gie the president autority like Cesar had as dictator? another happing like WTC, perhaps greater and more destructive.

the situation is incdreasing., remember 1914 - within 4 weeks Europe burned.

and the ultimate form UN to Iran is ending the next days.

And those in the ivory tower have no other problems than planning their outlet in mags.

wash me but dont make me wet. they promote awake but seem to be snoaring

[Kenneth]

The average printing of each issue of the Watchtower is 28, 578, 000 per issue. There are about 6.5 million JWs in the world that have a personal copy each so that leaves just under 22 million copies for public distribution. If you notice the yearly report they never publishes how many magazines have been placed, yet we report it each month. This may be due to the fact that the placements are a lot lower that the production of 28 million per issue.

How many JWs actual read the Watchtower????????????? And if they who understand the jargon don’t read it thoroughly then how many of the public who don’t understand the difference between the typical and anti-typical are going to read it. Many JWs I know read them faithfully form cover to cover, yet for others they collect dust. I would suggest the readership of the Watchtower and the Awake isn’t that high in relation to its printing . Even though much of is content is well written and practical especially on social issues.

If there’s going to be two issues the jargon in the main study articles will no doubt get a lot stronger and you may see the governing body strengthen their position over the congregations. If they haven’t set themselves up as gods yet (and in all probability they have) this will be their perfect opportunity to take greater control over the entire brotherhood.

Kenneth

[eyes&ears]

Hi everyone,

Kenneth stated

"If there’s going to be two issues the jargon in the main study articles will no doubt get a lot stronger and you may see the governing body strengthen their position over the congregations. If they haven’t set themselves up as gods yet (and in all probability they have) this will be their perfect opportunity to take greater control over the entire brotherhood."


I think you hit the NAIL ON ITS BIG HEAD KENNETH. I could not agree with you more here.

They have that first resurrection article in place and no doubt other information will be coming forth (District Assemblies, Circut, Special Day) to keep the SHEEP IN LINE SO TO SPEAK. There will probably be one or two more so called CLEANING OUT THE ORG - IF YOU DO NOT DO EVERYTHING AS COMES FROM HEADQUARTERS OR IF YOU CHALLENGE OR QUESTION ANYTHING. Either do as we say or HIT THE BRICKS. (Just my observation and opinion not trying to be a negative person here OKEY DOKEY)

HOLD ON TIGHT, KEEP BOTH EYES GLUED TO JEHOVAH&#39;S WORD AND TELL YOUR EARS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW THEY ARE LISTENING OKEY DOKEY.

E & E