Dinosaurs In The Bible.

[Nambo]

So I just watched Watchmans fine video on You Tube, hope to see the whole Bible covered by Christmas Watchman, though I dont know how you will keep the book of Numbers as interesting.

But on the same page as Watchmans film, where a list of videos covering the topic of Dinosaurs being around at the same time as Humans,

Very worth watching some of these, shows dino footprints with human ones inside, shows human tools found in the same rock layer as dinos, shows American Indian cave paintings of dinos, and one of them does a good explaination of Leviaton being a dinosaur.

Also relates that Marco Polo reported the Chinese emperer keeping dragons to pull his chariot and there being a post of the royal dragon feeder.

I rekon there must have been some sort of a conspiracy to keep this information from the public.

[Zechariah]

Nambo,

where to you go to see this?

Zechariah

[Zechariah]

Never mind I just read watchman's thread sorry!

Zechariah

[Olm]

Well Adam and Eve were about 6000 years ago? So Chinese emperers were probably about 3000 years ago? So what large Dinosarus would have lived around 6000 to 3000 years ago? I don't think any did unless you count a crocidiles. People can date how long ago Dinosaurs lived and I don't believe any lived during the time of Adam and Eve or after. Can anyone prove Dinosarus did?

[Berean]

I do believe that certain dragon-like creatures or other monstrous creatures have existed alongside human beings (like the Leviathan, and some current examples as the Komodo dragon, certain species of crocodile, giant anacondas, and huge squids), but dinosaurs, no. I think Jehovah created dinosaurs long before he made Adam and Eve, and somewhere during that time, for some reason the dinosaurs became extinct. Perhaps it turned out that they would be too fearsome, or Jehovah just let nature take its course for a while during the fourth and fifth day of creation.

[Shibboleth]

The point in being is that if humans did try and coexist alongside dinosaurs who do you think would win out in the long run? We wouldn't be here if we tried to coexist with dinosaurs. It just wouldn't happen. To many X factors. Also the fact that most if not all of the dinosaurs died during a huge calamity from a meteor that hit the earth with devestating consequences.

When we read about dragons and other great reptillian beings don't you think that maybe that these myths or storys actually got their start because someone found a skull or some bone from one of the dinosaurs when they were digging fields for crops and such?

[James]

Here's an interesting link-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

This helps show that pre-Adamic history there were only animals and that neanderthals were animals, some form of primate. According to the Bible, Adam was the first man (human). If Jehovah created cavemen, why weren't they created perfect and what was their sin?

James

[olrono]

Here's an interesting link-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

This helps show that pre-Adamic history there were only animals and that neanderthals were animals, some form of primate. According to the Bible, Adam was the first man (human). If Jehovah created cavemen, why weren't they created perfect and what was their sin?

James[/b]
How do you come to the concluion “Jehovah created cavmen”?

[Olm]

cavemen have always been hard for me to understand. Did God think cavemen were good in shape so God just made the caveman a little better by making a perfect man Adam? How far back do the Neanderthals date back? According to the dates, there were more intelignt humans or cavemen that coexisted with the Neanderthals and that could use language. I think they called them Maga, I might be wrong on the name of them.
Then the question is how far back does Adam date vs these Maga men that coexisted with the Neanderthals? Again Maga could be the wrong name but I have watched those discorvery shows a lot and there most defiently were more inteligent beings that coexisted witht he Neanderthals.

[olrono]

The so called “cavemen” were just men that happened to live in caves. As to these “bone fragments”, many have been proved to be fraudulent. If we really came about by “survival of the fittest”, then where are all the “missing links” in the fossil record? Remember, by definition they were supposed to be superior.

[Shibboleth]

<div class='quotemain'>Here&#39;s an interesting link-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

This helps show that pre-Adamic history there were only animals and that neanderthals were animals, some form of primate. According to the Bible, Adam was the first man (human). If Jehovah created cavemen, why weren&#39;t they created perfect and what was their sin?

James[/b]
How do you come to the concluion "Jehovah created cavmen"?


[/b][/quote]

Cause Jehovah created the whole earth and every living thing on it.


Sorry olrono I just couldn&#39;t resist. :icon_razz:

[James]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Here&#39;s an interesting link-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

This helps show that pre-Adamic history there were only animals and that neanderthals were animals, some form of primate. According to the Bible, Adam was the first man (human). If Jehovah created cavemen, why weren&#39;t they created perfect and what was their sin?

James[/b]
How do you come to the concluion "Jehovah created cavmen"?


[/b][/quote]

Cause Jehovah created the whole earth and every living thing on it.


Sorry olrono I just couldn&#39;t resist. :icon_razz:
[/b][/quote]


Thanks Shibboleth,

But my point, olrono, was that humans didn&#39;t exist before Adam. That "cavemen" and neanderthals etc.. were some type of apes and not related to humans at all. And to reiterate, Jehovah created ALL things.

James

[Nambo]

I do believe that certain dragon-like creatures or other monstrous creatures have existed alongside human beings (like the Leviathan, and some current examples as the Komodo dragon, certain species of crocodile, giant anacondas, and huge squids), but dinosaurs, no. I think Jehovah created dinosaurs long before he made Adam and Eve, and somewhere during that time, for some reason the dinosaurs became extinct. Perhaps it turned out that they would be too fearsome, or Jehovah just let nature take its course for a while during the fourth and fifth day of creation.[/b]

Those dino films I recommended watching, one of them has a picture of a rotting dinosaur carcuss some fishermen dragged up.

Maybe there where dinos outside the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve where safe inside?

Maybe Dinos lived across the globe whereas Man at the time was concentrated in one area?

Joshepus when he writes about Cain being sent into the wilderness seems to suggest Cain being worried about being killed by wild beasts, maybe Dinos?

I think we have precious little to go on here,
Anything that comes out of the mouth of a paid evolutionist, I trust as much as what comes out of Tony Blairs mouth.

[Nambo]

So this book Iam reading that I mention elsewhere, it also covers the topic of Dinosaurs living amongst men.
This guy has found hundreds of reports, even government manuscripts that address the problem, that dinosaurs where frequently troublesome to men up to just a couple of hundred years ago, eating thier chickens etc.
People still alive at the turn of the 20th century report flocks of flying lizards or serpents in Wales.
The discription of these creatures, known then as dragons more likely fit the descriptions scientists tell us they really looked like after having "discovered" thier bones.
Mention is made of many of these animals being able to spit a corrosive or burning venom, my guess is that this is where the modern idea of Dragons being "fire breathing" possible comes from, rather that these creatures breathed out something that burned.
As for the Lock Ness Monster, well there are numeourous ancounters recorded at most of the deep lakes.

Did you guys see the picture from the google videos I recommended of the creature the Japanese caught in thier nets in about 1977 that a marine biologist identified as a Plesiosaurus but the British natural history museum declared was a rotten shark without even seeing it.

This all might seem far fethched, but who is the more trustworthy, people from all over who where actually around and whose encounters colaborate each other, or the people who do all they can to convince you God doesnt exist and we all came from ameoboes millions of years ago?

[Nambo]

http://members.aol.com/adobebill/Images/PlesioSm.jpg (http://members.aol.com/adobebill/Images/PlesioLg.jpg)
Click on the photo to see a larger picture.</span><span style="color:#690030">Are they fully extinct?
On April 10, 1977, the nets of a Japanese fishing ship, the Zuiyo Maru, caught the decaying body of a possible modern Plesiosaurus. The strange, large reptile was snagged 900-feet underwater near Christchurch, New Zealand. It measured 32-feet long and weighed approximately 4000-pounds and it had 4 fins, each approximately 3-feet long. Photographs, measurements and tissue samples were taken before the crew threw the carcass back into the sea because of the smell and decay. The evidence was examined and tested by a committee of high ranking Japanese marine scientists. The Director of Animal Research at the National Science Museum of Japan said, "It seems that these animals are not extinct after all. It&#39;s impossible for only one to have survived. There must be a group."
http://members.aol.com/adobebill/Images/PlesioSt.gifSo important was this find that the Japanese honored it with a commerative postage stamp. As the scientific discovery of the year, the Plesiosaurus was used as the official emblem for the 1977 National Exhibition which celebrated 100 years of scientific discovery.

[Cricket]

Very interesting! I wonder if another one of those creatures could be the Loch Ness Monster?
Who knows what lies underneath the ocean? We have only explored a tiny fraction! They are still discovering all sorts of fascinating and beautiful creatures ceated by Jah in the deep ocean.

[Kenneth]

The bible doesn&#39;t give much away when it comes to the dinosaur, other than God created the "great sea monsters"(Genesis 1:21) According the Strong&#39;s this can also mean "serpent, jackal: - dragon" The only information we have is that all living animals were created during the fifth and sixth creative days which in real terms doesn&#39;t make then that old. However, there is no indication that man and dinosaur lived together, even though we can&#39;t rule it out of the realms of possibility as they could have become extinct during the flood. Some books that examine the antediluvian time of Noah attempt to support this theory as there are accounts of large creatures roving outside the Ark.

We should never be so quick to dismiss the idea of myths and legends. The idea of a fiery dragon must have its origins somewhere. If you have a copy of the Jerusalem bible (apocrypha) read Daniel 14:23 where he kills the dragon. The whole story is about as far fetched as you could get, but the myth of a dragon existed back in Babylonian times. If we were to take the mythical overtones away we are left with something that resembles the dinosaur. The problem is when dating anything of the antediluvian period the flood is never used in the equation, thus the who thing becomes twisted and out of shape.

[Nambo]

The bible doesn&#39;t give much away when it comes to the dinosaur, other than God created the "great sea monsters"(Genesis 1:21) According the Strong&#39;s this can also mean "serpent, jackal: - dragon" The only information we have is that all living animals were created during the fifth and sixth creative days which in real terms doesn&#39;t make then that old. However, there is no indication that man and dinosaur lived together, even though we can&#39;t rule it out of the realms of possibility as they could have become extinct during the flood. Some books that examine the antediluvian time of Noah attempt to support this theory as there are accounts of large creatures roving outside the Ark.

We should never be so quick to dismiss the idea of myths and legends. The idea of a fiery dragon must have its origins somewhere. If you have a copy of the Jerusalem bible (apocrypha) read Daniel 14:23 where he kills the dragon. The whole story is about as far fetched as you could get, but the myth of a dragon existed back in Babylonian times. If we were to take the mythical overtones away we are left with something that resembles the dinosaur. The problem is when dating anything of the antediluvian period the flood is never used in the equation, thus the who thing becomes twisted and out of shape.[/b]

Personally Kenneth, I think if one where to discard what comes out of the mouths of those who seek to discredit the Bible with evolution, and rather read the Bible with the uncorrupted eyes of a child, the Bible says more about dinosaurs than most creatures.

" 15 (http://) Here, now, is Be·he´moth that I have made as well as you.
Green grass it eats just as a bull does.

16 (http://) Here, now, its power is in its hips,
And its dynamic energy in the tendons of its belly.

17 (http://) It bends down its tail like a cedar;
The sinews of its thighs are interwoven.

18 (http://) Its bones are tubes of copper;
Its strong bones are like wrought-iron rods.

19 (http://) It is the beginning of the ways of God;
Its Maker can bring near his sword.

20 (http://) For the mountains themselves bear their produce for it,
And all the wild beasts of the field themselves play there.

21 (http://) Under the thorny lotus trees it lies down,
In the concealed place of reeds and the swampy place.

22 (http://) The thorny lotus trees keep it blocked off with their shadow;
The poplars of the torrent valley surround it.

23 (http://) If the river acts violently, it does not run in panic.
It is confident, although the Jordan should burst forth against its mouth.

24 (http://) Before its eyes can anyone take it?
With snares can anyone bore [its] nose? "



Rather than the Hippo that certainly does not have a tail like a cedar tree, the brontosaurous ate grass and frequented swamphy places, and as for Leviatian!

"

1 (http://) “Can you draw out Le·vi´a·than with a fishhook,
Or with a rope can you hold down its tongue?

2 (http://) Can you put a rush in its nostrils,
Or with a thorn can you bore its jaws?

3 (http://) Will it make many entreaties to you,
Or will it say soft words to you?

4 (http://) Will it conclude a covenant with you,
That you may take it as a slave to time indefinite?

5 (http://) Will you play with it as with a bird,
Or will you tie it for your young girls?

6 (http://) Will partners barter for it?
Will they divide it up among tradesmen?

7 (http://) Will you fill its skin with harpoons,
Or its head with fish spears?

8 (http://) Put your hand upon it.
Remember the battle. Do not do it again.

9 (http://) Look! One’s expectation about it will certainly be disappointed.
One will also be hurled down at the mere sight of it.

10 (http://) None is so audacious that he should stir it up.
And who is it that can hold his ground before me?

11 (http://) Who has given me something first, that I ought to reward him?
Under the whole heavens it is mine.

12 (http://) I shall not keep silent about its parts
Or the matter of [its] mightiness and the grace of its proportions.

13 (http://) Who has uncovered the face of its clothing?
Into its double jaw who will enter?

14 (http://) The doors of its face who has opened?
Its teeth round about are frightful.

15 (http://) Furrows of scales are its haughtiness,
Closed as with a tight seal.

16 (http://) One to the other they fit closely,
And not even air can come in between them.

17 (http://) Each one to the other they are stuck together;
They grasp one another and cannot be separated.

18 (http://) Its very sneezings flash forth light,
And its eyes are like the beams of dawn.

19 (http://) Out of its mouth there go lightning flashes,
Even sparks of fire make their escape.

20 (http://) Out of its nostrils smoke goes forth,
Like a furnace set aflame even with rushes.

21 (http://) Its soul itself sets coals ablaze,
And even a flame goes forth out of its mouth.

22 (http://) In its neck lodges strength,
And before it despair leaps.

23 (http://) The folds of its flesh do cling together;
They are as a casting upon it, immovable.

24 (http://) Its heart is cast like stone,
Yes, cast like a lower millstone.

25 (http://) Due to its rising up the strong get frightened;
Due to consternation they get bewildered.

26 (http://) Overtaking it, the sword itself does not prove equal,
Nor spear, dart or arrowhead.

27 (http://) It regards iron as mere straw,
Copper as mere rotten wood.

28 (http://) An arrow does not chase it away;
The slingstones have been changed for it into mere stubble.

29 (http://) A club has been regarded [by it] as mere stubble,
And it laughs at the rattling of a javelin.

30 (http://) As pointed earthenware fragments are its underparts;
It spreads out a threshing instrument upon the mire.

31 (http://) It causes the depths to boil just like a pot;
It makes the very sea like an ointment pot.

32 (http://) Behind itself it makes a pathway shine;
One would regard the watery deep as gray-headedness.

33 (http://) Upon the dust there is not the like of it,
The one made to be without terror.

34 (http://) Everything high it sees.
It is king over all majestic wild beasts.”



King over all majestic beasts indeed, untill the advent of gunpowder, the recorded encounters with these beasts I refered too, make much as to the uselessness of weapons on them, it was a hero indeed who ever managed to slay one.
Even mentions fire coming from its mouth, is Jehovah relating a fable to Job here?


As for there being no indication Man and dinosaurs ever lived together, if you are talking from a secular viewpoint, did you not watch the Google films I mentioned?

[juffowup]

I love science. But many times, since the days of reading My Big Back Yard and Ranger Rick, things I read in scientific articles seemingly contradicts things I&#39;ve read in the Bible. I have a simple way of dealing with it. I refuse to worked up about it. I read each new discovery and take from it what I can, and I keep in mind that I don&#39;t know everything about the physical universe, and I don&#39;t know the meaning behind everything in the Bible, and what is literal and what is poetic, and I certainly don&#39;t know whether Dinosaurs ever walked with man. The scientific consensus doesn&#39;t point that way, but it wouldn&#39;t trouble me in the least if it were so.

I remember 20 years ago how the Big Bang was discussed within the congregations as being this great evil. Now, the latest creator book all but embraces it, along with the anthromorphic principle, as a reasonable explanation of how Jehovah coverted his great dynamic energy into matter, namely, the entire universe. The energy required is staggering, quite literally unimaginable. I find it a more awesome concept than imagining Jehovah magically created balls of matter and had Jesus hand shape them into all the stars and planets and nebula and everything else we see up in the heavens.

Some prefer to think that Jehovah created each individual animal, some go so far as to say he created them "by kind". Some interpret kind to be species, while some interpret it to be genus and family and allow micro and limited macro evolution. Some go further than this.

I refuse to dogmatically state anything about Jehovah except he is the Grand Creator of all things, the giver of live, the heavens and earth, creatures and plants, and mankind. No science will ever be able to disprove this, because by faith I KNOW it to be true.

Now, with that background on me, on to one of the many interesting pieces of this discussion. Nambo, you had some theories about the animals Jehovah spoke to Job of from the windstorm. But Apatasaurus (formerly known as Brontosaurus) did not frequent swamps and marshes. The latest studies suggest if it were to try and partially submerge like it is frequently show to do in old books and paintings its lungs would be so constricted by the water pressure it would asphyxiate. Try breathing out of a three foot tube underwater sometime, and now scale this up by 10 or 20. It&#39;s legs were easily able to support its immense bulk even without water support, and even trot at speeds similar to modern elephants. Wouldn&#39;t that be something to see? Or hear!

I think a Hippo tail could be poetically described as being cedar like. It is certainly thick and powerful. I&#39;m also confused about your comments about Leviathan. Are you suggesting that there was a literal fire breathing animal in ancient times? I don&#39;t see how that would work. A beast capable of spitting fire would have to consume breathtaking amounts of food to produce that kind of energy on demand.

I did see something on Animal Planet awhile back that discussed a reptile native to Austrailia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalania) that lived as recent as 5000 years ago and apparently interacted with the aboriginal people of the time. It was of the same family of the Komodo dragons, only it was far larger, up to 30-40 feet in length. It would have been almost invincible, and tales of this animal persist with the natives up to this day. They still paint it in their paintings. Must have made a big impression! The wiki article mentions it is believed to have gone extinct as many as 40,000 years ago, but then some people still think it is around, and the show I saw mentioned 5,000. Very interesting.

[Nambo]

Now, with that background on me, on to one of the many interesting pieces of this discussion. Nambo, you had some theories about the animals Jehovah spoke to Job of from the windstorm. But Apatasaurus (formerly known as Brontosaurus) did not frequent swamps and marshes. The latest studies suggest if it were to try and partially submerge like it is frequently show to do in old books and paintings its lungs would be so constricted by the water pressure it would asphyxiate. Try breathing out of a three foot tube underwater sometime, and now scale this up by 10 or 20. It&#39;s legs were easily able to support its immense bulk even without water support, and even trot at speeds similar to modern elephants. Wouldn&#39;t that be something to see? Or hear!

I think a Hippo tail could be poetically described as being cedar like. It is certainly thick and powerful. I&#39;m also confused about your comments about Leviathan. Are you suggesting that there was a literal fire breathing animal in ancient times? I don&#39;t see how that would work. A beast capable of spitting fire would have to consume breathtaking amounts of food to produce that kind of energy on demand.[/b]

Hi Juffowup, I was indeed aware of the latest studies re Brontosarus not permanently living in bodies of water though how they can come up with these conclusions about lung constriction just from a set of bones is beyond me, Blue Whales are far bigger and dive to great depths where water pressure is very great yet have no problems.

I reffered to marshy areas as this is where people who where alive at the time reported them living. Not neccesarily the said dinosaurs having to support thier weight in water to be said to live in marshy areas.

Anyway, dont let that point distract you from what I was trying to say, that its only through the constant brainwashing of evolutionists, that we are loathe to take Jehovahs words to Job literally, but why would Jehovah relate his power to Job via the discription of creatures that Job knew nothing about?, Jobs going to be thinking, "Whats Jehovah on about here?, large armour plated beasts that swords cannot peirce that breathe fire?", "maybe I will just nod my head and hope that humours him".

It makes more sense to me to ignore the modernists and tie Jobs experience with the many other reports and legends of man living at the same time as dinosaurs and therefore Job knowing exactly what Jehovah was talking to him about.

As for the fire breathing bit, well in an earlier post I had mentioned burning corrosive venom and how maybe this was mistranslated over time into being fire-breathing, but when I was reminded of what Jehovah said to Job, then yes, literal fire-breathing if thats the way Jehovah wanted them made, perhaps there are chemicals that an animal could produce that combust when mixed with another chemical and exposted to air?
Iam sure Jehovah could manage it.
Maybe these creatures helped Man realsise that he wasnt the God over nature that he consideres himself now?

And as for a hippos tail being like the great cedar tree, I think it looks more like a certain root vegatable http://www.whozoo.org/Intro98/herrick/Hipp...102701D_26C.jpg (http://www.whozoo.org/Intro98/herrick/HippoNibbleFWZ102701D_26C.jpg)

[juffowup]

Hi Juffowup, I was indeed aware of the latest studies re Brontosarus not permanently living in bodies of water though how they can come up with these conclusions about lung constriction just from a set of bones is beyond me, Blue Whales are far bigger and dive to great depths where water pressure is very great yet have no problems.[/b]

Blue whales don&#39;t have long tubes that connect their lungs to the surface. You&#39;d find quite the pressure differential there! Their lungs do get compressed quite a bit though, but they aren&#39;t trying to breath under water, after all.

The bones don&#39;t tell anything. It is the observation that a sac of air under great pressure (lungs under water) will not draw air from an area of lower pressure (above water) given just about any possible muscle structure for a diaphram you can imagine. Seriously, get in a pool some time, take about three feet of plastic pipe, and try to breathe with it. A snorkle only works since you are so close to the surface.



I reffered to marshy areas as this is where people who where alive at the time reported them living. Not neccesarily the said dinosaurs having to support thier weight in water to be said to live in marshy areas.[/b]

Well, that is where the reported Behemoth living, I guess. I still think the Hippo theory is more likely.


Anyway, dont let that point distract you from what I was trying to say, that its only through the constant brainwashing of evolutionists, that we are loathe to take Jehovahs words to Job literally, but why would Jehovah relate his power to Job via the discription of creatures that Job knew nothing about?, Jobs going to be thinking, "Whats Jehovah on about here?, large armour plated beasts that swords cannot peirce that breathe fire?", "maybe I will just nod my head and hope that humours him".[/b]

That is one possibility. The other is that Job knew what Jehovah was talking about because crocs and hippos were familiar to him and he understood similie and metaphor. There are many others. I don&#39;t think just because we might not be familiar with however these animals were described in ancient times means we throw out reams of information that says Dinosaurs and humans didn&#39;t live at the same time.


As for the fire breathing bit, well in an earlier post I had mentioned burning corrosive venom and how maybe this was mistranslated over time into being fire-breathing, but when I was reminded of what Jehovah said to Job, then yes, literal fire-breathing if thats the way Jehovah wanted them made, perhaps there are chemicals that an animal could produce that combust when mixed with another chemical and exposted to air?[/b]

Sure, there are, but Jehovah also created the law of conservation of energy, which means if a creature could breath fire, which is a fairly energetic thing for an animal to do, putting it mildly, they would have to take in a truly enormous amount of energy in food to produce these volitile chemicals. A hummingbird has to eat, what, twice its weight in food to fly, and breathing fire would take more energy than that. Not only that, but literally, the animal would have to breath fire AND shoot electricity to match the description found in the bible. Again, literally speaking.

So, we could have this very unlikely animal, or Jehovah was speaking poetically and Job is no fool. Keep in mind that leviathon and behemoth could very well have been what hippos and crocs were called back in the day, yet another theory that could fit the facts and not have Job wondering what Jehovah was on about. Just because we are unfamiliar with the names doesn&#39;t mean Job and his contemporaries were.

And as far as reports and legends, there are reports and legends from China about spiders with woman&#39;s heads, and out of Greece lions with wings, serpents tails, and human heads, horses with wings. How do you determine which are real and which aren&#39;t?

[Berean]

Or they are creatures that have become extinct. As far as I know, hippos and crocodiles are/were animals that lived in Africa - Job is considered to be from Asia. Unless he travelled a lot, he may have never seen hippos or crocodiles. I find it odd that the names of many animals are translated into their English equivalents, yet Leviathan and Behemoth are not. This leads me to believe that in the very least, we can only guess as to what their equivalents are (we just can&#39;t be sure that Behemoth was really a hippo, and Leviathan a crocodile), and it&#39;s very possible that Leviathan and Behemoth were animals that are now extinct.

[juffowup]

Or they are creatures that have become extinct. As far as I know, hippos and crocodiles are/were animals that lived in Africa - Job is considered to be from Asia.[/b]

He is referred to as the greatest of the Orientals, but this term can refer to people in the mid-east and northern africa, ie Egypt, Morraco, etc.


I find it odd that the names of many animals are translated into their English equivalents, yet Leviathan and Behemoth are not. This leads me to believe that in the very least, we can only guess as to what their equivalents are (we just can&#39;t be sure that Behemoth was really a hippo, and Leviathan a crocodile), and it&#39;s very possible that Leviathan and Behemoth were animals that are now extinct.[/b]

Yup, it is certainly possible. I don&#39;t think it is likely that they were fire breathing creatures or Apatasaurs, but as I mentioned further up there are known accounts of extremely large yet extinct creatures that we know almost certainly existed with humanity. There are bound to be many we don&#39;t know of.