Watching The World

[Kenneth]

Will the world witness the collapse of Israel anytime soon? http://www.aljazeera.com/about.asp




After his remarks calling the killing of two million Jews in the Second World War a" myth" and calling for Israel to be "wiped of the map" sparked international outcry last year, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a new verbal attack against the Jewish State, this time predicting it will collapse soon and warning its allies face the "boiling wrath" of the people if they continue to support Israel.

In a speech in the southern province of Khuzestan, President Nejad was quoted by the Iranian media as saying:

"I'm sure that soon we will observe the collapse of the 'Zionist' regime (Israel)," the official IRNA news agency quoted him as saying.

The Iranian President also reiterated his denial of the Holocaust saying it "was fabricated by the West in order to reach its goals," state television quoted him as saying.
The renewed assault on Israel by the Iranian President came as tens of thousands marched through Tehran in an annual pro-Palestinian protest.

"This regime (Israel) will be gone, definitely," Ahmadinejad told the protestors.

"You (Israel supporters) should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people," he added.

"The wrath of the region's people is boiling."

"Efforts to stabilise this fraudulent regime have completely failed, thank God ... This regime has lost the rationale of its existence," the president said.

Ahmadinejad said that his warning as an "ultimatum" for Israel-supporting powers. "You should not complain that we did not give a warning. We are saying this explicitly now."

"If a hurricane starts be rest assured that the dimensions of this hurricane will not be limited to the geographic borders of Palestine," he added. "This regime (Israel) will take its supporters to the bottom of the swamp."

"The best solution is for you to take all the components of the regime and take it away," Ahmadinejad said.

Nejad has reportedly told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust and held in Tehran last month that Israel's days were numbered:

"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the 'Zionist' regime soon be wiped out."

But the political turmoil that hit Israel following the slap it received from Hezbollah and the sinking approval ratings of the Israeli Premier could be another reason that would lead to its end.

Israel's defeat, despite the U.S. support, in last summer war in Lebanon, prompted many political experts and analysts suggest that the war came just to prove the failed approach of the Israeli government, now led by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Days after Lebanon's war, which ended last August, young Israeli reservists began calling on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz to resign, saying they have failed to achieve the goals the government had declared when the battle between the Israeli army and Hezbollah fighters first broke out; i.e. the return of the soldiers captured by Hezbollah, the disarmament of the Lebanese resistance group and its removal from Israel's borders.

"I don't want to be famous or to be a politician. I just want those who are responsible for these failures to go home," said Zvigenbaum to the many reporters who had gathered to cover a march organised to protest against the Israeli government's failure, following August ceasefire.
Reservists set up tents in front of Olmert's office and called on others to join them. Protests continued for weeks.

Late in August, a survey carried out by Israel's daily Yedioth Ahronoth found that the government had become a lame duck. Sixty three percent of Israelis believe Olmert failed in the war and should resign, according to the survey. Seventy four percent of those polled said the same about Amir Peretz. Only 19 percent said the government should remain intact.
Following the release of the survey results, many Knesset members demanded appointing a state commission of inquiry, similar to those hired following the 1973 Yom Kippur War and again after the first war in Lebanon in 1983. But the Israeli Prime Minister refused.

"We don't have the luxury of spending years on investigations that have nothing to do with learning lessons and preparing for the future," Olmert claimed, naming three investigating committees he intended to hire.

State inquiries are headed by a Supreme Court judge and nominated by the president of the Supreme Court, whereas the government inquiries like those Olmert launched give the premier a lot of control over the appointees and their work.

"I call it the escape committee," said Member of Parliament Effi Eitam. "It was summoned to help the politicians escape from their responsibilities. It is meant to blame the army, whereas it is clear that you can't investigate the army without checking the orders it got from the state level."

"I want to make one thing clear: The responsibility for the decision to go to war is entirely mine," Olmert said, in an attempt to ease public anger.

"Olmert does not mean what he says," wrote Uzi Benziman, a leading political analyst for the Israel daily Haaretz. "When he declares that responsibility for the war is entirely his, he is pulling the wool over our eyes. His statements are meaningless if they are not accompanied by a practical conclusion," wrote Benziman, calling for Olmert's resignation.
Israel was also rocked by a series of scandals in 2006, with the president locked in a sex scandal, the justice minister quitting over a stolen kiss, the PM charged over a property deal and the country's top general under fire for stock trading.

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki referred to the sex scandal that has left Iranian-born Israeli President Moshe Katsav facing possible indictment for rape, saying such "ethical deviation" showed Israel was collapsing.

"The Zionist regime is filled with moral corruption and ethical deviation in its highest ranks. Therefore this regime internally, and regionally from the outside, is cracking and is falling apart."[/b]

[Jeshurun]

Hello Kenneth

And hello to all the forum after our respite. Many thanks to the administrators for working so hard to continue to provide us with this discussion board.

It is no surprise that Ahmedinejad is now denying the holocaust. That's what happens when you have governments that have perpetrated so many lies to achieve their capitalist goals. However, the holocaust is undeniable, and he must know this, but is now looking to egg on the "bully". He seems intent on confrontation. This is all Satan's work. He also seems intent on the destruction of Israel, and Zionists. This is causing intense animosity on the part of those looking to institute world government, and this is becoming a gigantic powderkeg that will possibly propel the world into phase I of the Great Tribulation. We all need to be on guard and aware of this possibility. The updates on the middle east are mery much appreciated, dear Kenneth.

Lou

[Kenneth]

Back in the 1980s the society produced a magazine entitled &#39;Armageddon and the Middle East&#39;; they place its context as did so many others within the Cold War. However, few new nothing about the coming &#39;New World Order&#39;. It appears that the society may have not been that far of track with the Middle East, but anyone with a shrewd mind and a keen political eye may well have seen that the Middle East was becoming a melting pot. It seems that that devil is stirring that political pot evermore on the road to world war, as the logic of what Ahmedinejad is doing beggars belief. Ahmedinejad knows if he continues with this type of language Israel and the United States are going to lash out at some point. Iran will reach the point of no return with nuclear weapons, and even though Iran maintains that it&#39;s nuclear program is for peaceful purpose, it won&#39;t be able to resist the temptation to build itself up a nuclear arsenal to gain par with Israel. Yes we certainly are living in exciting times and even though we cant be to dogmatic we need to keep in mind that demonic forces are now at work, so let keep an eye on Iran because this may well be it. THE END</span>

kenneth
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"While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State."

<span style="color:#0000ff">Lenin

[Shibboleth]

I think this is again evidence of two views looking at the same picture but coming up with different rationalizations.

The west&#39;s view was there was a Holocaust and they made Israel a state because of what had happened.

The Iranian view and a view from many of the Arab countries see the Holocaust as just an excuse to steal the land of the Palestinians and bring people (whom are Jewish, but not of Middle Eastern decent) into the company by force.

I see comercials by a church group that want people to sponser more Jews to go to Israel. These Jews are ones who are mostly European and not Middle Eastern.

Now there is nothing wrong for Jewish people to want to go or travel to the place where their heritage started, but I do see something wrong with taking things by force and stealing other people&#39;s lands and making them live in "settlements" so a foreign government can move people in.

All in all this issue will never be settled and the only forseeable "way out" is an impending war.

regards,

Shibboleth

[juffowup]

Again, I&#39;d like to urge caution, as all this can get pretty political if one isn&#39;t careful. After all, the land was and is Jehovah&#39;s, then Abraham squatted on it, then the Canaanites, then Israel, the Babylon, then the Jews again, then the Romans, then the Turks, then the British Empire, and so on and so forth until we have today&#39;s sorry state of affairs.

There is nothing right or just about the way any nation handles its affairs, which is why we look forward to Daniel 2:44&#39;s fulfillment. I hope we can take note of the world&#39;s events without taking sides or making value judgements one way or another. :-)

[Kenneth]

Again, I&#39;d like to urge caution, as all this can get pretty political if one isn&#39;t careful.[/b]

The key to this thread is in the title &#39;Watching The World&#39; in relation to the bible and not our own political views on the rights and wrongs of the matter, after all its Satan&#39;s world and unjust. However, North Korea and Iran appear to be flash points that could kick start the GT.



"Keep on the watch . . . because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming."—MATTHEW 24:42.



Kenneth :mellow:

[Kenneth]

Finally, Israel admits Hezbollah&#39;s victory in Lebanon

The most significant result of the recent conflict in Lebanon is a change to the balance of fear in the Middle East, and this is why Israel has been resisting the fact that its army got defeated by Hezbollah fighters in the war.

But after months of denial, Israel admitted finally that Hezbollah won the war.

Speaking at a Tel Aviv news conference summing up the Israeli army&#39;s investigation of its behavior during the war, Israeli chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, who&#39;s under fire because of the shortcomings of the war, conceded that the military made serious errors during the war.

However, he rejected calls to resign as a result, saying only if the committee called for his resignation, he would comply. "I have not heard my superiors calling on me to resign," he said. "If they do, I will respond."

Defense Minister Amir Peretz said the same.

Although Halutz claimed that Israel badly damaged Hezbollah in southern Lebanon and killed "hundreds of terrorists," he admitted that the IOF, the Israeli Occupation Forces, weren&#39;t "successful in reducing the short-range rocket fire on Israel&#39;s north until the cease-fire."

"We attacked the Katyushas, but unsuccessfully," General Halutz said, adding he&#39;d stay on "to correct what can be corrected," and that resigning would be "running away."

Israel&#39;s military superiority has long enjoyed a near mythic status throughout the Middle East and perhaps the entire wolrd. Endorsing such myth fueled the false claim that force can perpetually substitute for diplomacy.

The world&#39;s unquestioned faith in Israel&#39;s military supremacy allowed it avoid concessions and created the assumption that the decision to initiate military aggression in Lebanon would be another step toward reshaping the region, in accordance with Israeli and American interests.

The summer war between the Israeli army and Hezbollah fighters ended in August after UN resolution 1701 asked both parties end fighting and mandated an enlarged and strengthened international peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon and supervision of Lebanon&#39;s seacoast and border with Syria to prevent the rearming of the Lebanese resistance group.

More than 4,000 Hezbollah rockets are believed to have been fired into Israel during the 35-day war, while Israel pounded Lebanon with air strikes, damaging the country&#39;s infrastructure, and killing over 1400 civilians, including women and children.

Israel counted 159 fatalities.

It claimed that the dead included 500 Hezbollah fighters- that was never proved.

Critics of General Halutz, who spent his career in the air force, and of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert accused the government of having relied too heavily on air power and delayed sending enough ground troops to the fighting arena to push back Hezbollah fighters.

The huge number of civilian deaths has also cost Israel dearly in terms of international goodwill. Nobody could endorse the claim that the capture of a couple of Israeli soldiers justifies the destruction of an entire country.

Critics also said that the military should be led by a ground forces commander, arguing that reserves were not called up in time, were badly trained and poorly equipped, and that sometimes soldiers faced contradictory orders.

"There were cases in which officers did not carry out their assignments, and cases in which officers objected on moral grounds to their orders," Halutz said, an apparent reference to resistance against attacking civilian areas in south Lebanon.

General Halutz stated earlier that the Israeli forces fired cluster munitions, with "bomblets" placed in artillery shells, into southern Lebanon in contradiction of his orders that they be aimed only at specific targets.

Halutz moreover said it was a mistake to set the release of two Israeli soldiers, who were captured by Hezbollah in a cross-border raid on July 12, as a goal for the war.

Lebanon war was long planned and encouraged in cooperation with the Bush administration.

Following the expected result of the war, the majority of the political analysts agreed that Israel has suffered the first defeat in its history, deeply wounding the new government, led by Olmert.

Hezbollah fighters, who succeeded in giving a major slap to one of the most powerful armies in the world, proved the bankruptcy of the logic of force.

Israel&#39;s defeat is expected to set the stage for an environment in which it is forced to return to the negotiating table and return the lands it captured in violation of UN resolutions since 1967, the only way, according to experts, to co-exist with its neighbors in peace.[/b]

[Nambo]

However, the holocaust is undeniable,


and he must know this, but is now looking to egg on the "bully". He seems intent on confrontation. This is all Satan&#39;s work. He also seems intent on the destruction of Israel, and Zionists. This is causing intense animosity on the part of those looking to institute world government, and this is becoming a gigantic powderkeg that will possibly propel the world into phase I of the Great Tribulation. We all need to be on guard and aware of this possibility. The updates on the middle east are mery much appreciated, dear Kenneth.

Lou[/b]

Hi Lou, now I know from your deligent research into 911, that "unexpected" events that benifit Zionists are not allways what they seem, so here is a riddle for you :-

If for 41 years 2 and 4 make 6
what makes it an imprisonable offence to add 2 and 1.1 and still not get 6 ?

You can PM me when you have the answer if you like.

Did you ever read 1984?

2 and 2 make 5
2 and 2 make 5
Now theres mind control for you


Sometimes I wonder if Satan installs leaders in more countries than just America and Great Britain, seems a bit crazy for the President of Iran to so taunt the greatest super-power on Earth just as they are positioning aircraft carriers in the Gulf?
He must know the result will be the complete distruction of Iran?, maybe he wants that also?

Oh, how wicked we will look to the nations as they bow down to the "Messiah" and his nations all united in Peace and security when he brings order to the world out of choas.
No more wars, no more innocent babies dying, "how evil you are" people will be saying to us for denying the "facts".

[Kenneth]

New Year Reflections

2006 was yet another year of tribulations in the ever tumultuous Middle East. It defied all early expectations that 2005 would be the worst for many years to follow. It ended on a sad note in Palestine, and left wide open the chance for many appalling possibilities that stretch from Baghdad, to Lebanon, to Mogadishu, and elsewhere.

Like January 2005, January 2006 brought about momentous elections, the former in Iraq, and the latter in the Occupied Palestinian Territories; both occasions, which had the potential of becoming icons of democratic experiences, led to unmitigated disasters, exposing the American democracy charade for what it truly was, a farce, pure and simple.

The 120 Iraqi parties that fielded candidates in the country’s 2005 first nationwide elections since the toppling of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, revealed the country’s sectarian divisions; expectedly, Iraq’s Sunni population boycotted the elections, fearing that their participation was a rubber stamp in a highly suspicious U.S. experiment aimed at dividing the country by stripping it of any national cohesion, thus smoothing the progress of a more manageable occupation. Sadly, many Iraqis allowed the U.S. plan to fester civil strife bordering on civil war, which left countless innocents dead or maimed; The outcome of those divisions never expressed itself as clearly as it did in 2006, which left even the most optimistic amongst us anticipate nothing less than a full-fledged civil war morphing out of the current chaos.

Meanwhile, most Americans, as articulated in the Congressional elections of November 2006, expressed resentment for their country’s war in Iraq like never before on any foreign policy issue.

Though their rejection of the Republican (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10484)Party’s candidates was an illustration of their refusal of the Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215) Administration staying the course mantra, the election brought back a divided Democratic Party (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10354)that is equally supportive of the war, but wishes to convey its position in so clever a way so as to appear in disagreement of Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)’s war management style, but without offering any substantial policy shift. The elections will also likely position Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton of New York and Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona at the helm of Presidential candidates to follow the current lame duck president. Clinton is a staunch pro-war and pro-Israel savvy politician, and the latter wants to see a dramatic increase in the number of American troops in Iraq, as a way out of the quagmire. Using his constant opposition of President Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)’s foreign policies, McCain is unlikely to pay the price of Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)’s past failures, which, to varying degrees have damaged the credibility of most Republican (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10484)politicians.

Like Iraq in the passing year, Palestinians embarked on 2006 on a hopeful note. Occupied and facing the most intense Israeli state terror regime, they delivered an awesome blow to those who contended that Palestinians were morally inferior to Israel for failing to espouse democratic governance. Though no occupied nation should be subjected to such cruel judgement, Palestinians prevailed, voting in what was described by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter as the ‘most transparent’ and democratic elections in that region in many years. The outcome of the vote was equally spectacular, for it defied all expectations by sidelining the ruling elite – despite generous financial and political backing from the U.S., of which they were and are still inundated - and bringing to power a political movement, Hamas (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10217), who despite its militant reputation, was clearly more in tune with the aspirations of Palestinian voters.

Soon after, Hamas (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10217) found itself utterly isolated, and Palestinians were subjected to cruel collective punishment for their democratic choice, all with the backing and support of the U.S., Israel and President Mahmoud Abbas (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=5615).

The year 2006 has closed with the dreadful shadow of civil war hovering over Gaza closer than ever before, as 17 people were killed and many more wounded in past weeks, following an assassination attempt orchestrated by some Fatah supporters against Palestinian Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyeh. Unconditional U.S. support for Abbas (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=5615) is strengthening the latter’s position, who has declared, in defiance of all democratic principles, his intent on dismantling the Palestinian Parliament and call for early elections.

Lebanon didn’t fair much better in 2006, as a 34-day war, which was clearly premeditated at least a year in advance, brought the country’s thriving economy into a total state of paralysis. The war, which followed Hizbollah’s capture of two Israeli soldiers at the Lebanon border, wreaked havoc in southern Lebanon, but destroyed much of the civilian infrastructure throughout the country as well, as far as its northern border with Syria. The July-August Israeli assault on Lebanon killed over 1200 Lebanese civilians and an unspecified number of Hizbollah fighters; Hizbollah, which not only managed to shock Israel, but the world with its military preparedness and steadfastness, fired hundreds of rockets into Israel, killing 157 Israelis, mostly soldiers.

As many members of the international community demanded an immediate end to the fighting, the U.S. cheered Israel on, upholding its tired slogan of Israel’s ‘right to defend itself’; the delay in ending the war however, wrought disaster on America’s ongoing plan to coerce Iran – the main backer of Hizbollah - into abandoning its nuclear program, giving Tehran instead a stronger bargaining position as it was indicated in the Baker-Hamilton report, a culmination of incessant deliberation and research by the Iraq Study Group (ISG). The report recommended that the U.S. must engage Iran and Syria to escape its terrible fate in Iraq.

The ISG, which was formulated at the behest and urging of the U.S. Congress to decipher and thus conceive a new American outlook on the ‘deteriorating’ situation in Iraq, presented its recommendations to President Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215) in December. Though the report had the courage to address the Iraq fiasco in the most honest depiction possible, and also the audacity to openly link the Iraq war to the absence of peace in Palestine, it failed to set a clear course of action out of Iraq and into a new era of realistic, thoughtful and inclusive foreign policy in the Middle East, denying 2006 that jolt of hope needed to offset some of its dreadful disappointments.

With Iraq left with no positive scenarios, hopes for a lasting Palestinian democratic experience turning into daring predictions of a civil war, coupled with bloody Israeli onslaughts against Gaza and the West Bank, Lebanon still bleeding under the outcomes of war and its own political mayhem, Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)’s ‘vision’ for a democratic Middle East of 2005 has enlivened factionalism, sectarianism and the prospect for a regional civil war in 2006; this is yet another reckless American-Israeli experiment that if fully actualized, shall harvest untold political instability, debase America’s reputation even further and expand the list of innocent victims who have fallen as profusely as ever in this passing year.

One is only left with the hope that 2007 may bring some comfort and a moment of peace to the poor, the dispossessed and the resilient masses all around the world, who cannot afford to surrender their genuine hope, humble prayers, and whatever price necessary to achieve peace and freedom for themselves, for all of us.[/b]

[Shibboleth]

Sometimes I wonder if Satan installs leaders in more countries than just America and Great Britain, seems a bit crazy for the President of Iran to so taunt the greatest super-power on Earth just as they are positioning aircraft carriers in the Gulf?
He must know the result will be the complete distruction of Iran?, maybe he wants that also?

Oh, how wicked we will look to the nations as they bow down to the "Messiah" and his nations all united in Peace and security when he brings order to the world out of choas.
No more wars, no more innocent babies dying, "how evil you are" people will be saying to us for denying the "facts".[/b]


I know this may sound crazy, but from my understanding Satan may be ruler of the world, but wouldn&#39;t it make sense that some of his high ranking "angels" would have authority over some of the governments of the world? In fact Satan had told Jesus that he would give him authority over all the world governments but at a cost - obescience to Satan. It would also make sense that the demons would bicker amongst themselves about power. When we think of sin, we think of only human sin, but what about these demonic angels? Did they not sin? I view the human governments as a reflection of Satan&#39;s government. If there is dissent amongst ours, wouldn&#39;t there be dissent in his?

Just a few points to ponder.


Regards,

Shibboleth

[Nambo]

<div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I wonder if Satan installs leaders in more countries than just America and Great Britain, ".[/b]


I know this may sound crazy, but from my understanding Satan may be ruler of the world, but wouldn&#39;t it make sense that some of his high ranking "angels" would have authority over some of the governments of the world? In fact Satan had told Jesus that he would give him authority over all the world governments but at a cost - obescience to Satan. It would also make sense that the demons would bicker amongst themselves about power. When we think of sin, we think of only human sin, but what about these demonic angels? Did they not sin? I view the human governments as a reflection of Satan&#39;s government. If there is dissent amongst ours, wouldn&#39;t there be dissent in his?

Just a few points to ponder.


Regards,

Shibboleth
[/b][/quote]

Hi Shibboleth, actually Iam quite convinced that Satan ultimately does have control of all Human Governments, I just sometimes write things in a way to look as if Iam not stating a fact but getting others to think a differant way.

However I also agree with you that Satan can and probably does deligate to lessor Demons in the chain of command, I wonder who for instance the Prince of Persia that held Gabriel up for two weeks was?

And maybe a bit of rivalry goes on between them?, but not in a way that would spoil the shinning ones ultimate purpose?

[Kenneth]

Israel plans for nuclear strike on Iran:

Many reports suggested previously that the Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)administration is planning to use nuclear weapons against Iran to forcefully end its nuclear activities (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023). Today, the Sunday Times newspaper revealed that Israel has drawn up plans to destroy Iran&#39;s uranium enrichment facilities (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) also using nuclear weapons.

The paper however refused to name the sources, it only said that two Israeli air force squadrons are training to bomb the Iranian facility at Nantaz using low-yield nuclear "bunker-busters," and that conventional laser-guided bombs would open tunnels into the targets.

"As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) will be demolished," the paper quoted one of the sources as saying.

Two other sites, a heavy water plant at Arak and a uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, would also be destroyed using conventional bombs, the paper added.

According to the Sunday Times, the nuclear-tipped "bunker busters" would be used "only if a conventional attack was ruled out" and the U.S. refulsed to intervene.

Experts believe that unlike Iraq&#39;s nuclear reactor Osirak, which Israel destroyed in 1981, Iran&#39;s nuclear facilities, (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) which are scattered all over the country, are difficult for Israel to take on alone.

Israeli military commanders admitted that Iran&#39;s nuclear facilities are well-defended, since most of them are built under at least 70 feet of concrete and rock, according to the newspaper.

But military analysts the paper said it spoke to suggest that the disclosure of such plans by Israel, could be just aimed pressuring Tehran to force it stop nuclear enrichment, after a UN Security Council (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10503)resolution imposing sanctions on Iran as a punishment for refusing to suspend its nuclear program failed to force the Islamic Republic halt its nuclear activities. (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023)

If Israel carried out such nuclear attack, it would be the first since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
While Israel has never admitted having nuclear weapons, it is widely believed to possess a substantial arsenal of such weapons.

And last month, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert acknowledged for the first time Israel&#39;s nuclear weapons, confirming what has been taken granted for decades by much of the world.

In an interview with German television, Mr. Olmert tried to portray Tehran as reckless while placing Israel alongside the accepted nuclear powers.

"Iran openly, explicitly, and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map," Olmert said.

"Can you say that this is the same level, when you are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, and Russia?"[/b]

[Nambo]

Israel plans for nuclear strike on Iran:

Many reports suggested previously that the Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)administration is planning to use nuclear weapons against Iran to forcefully end its nuclear activities (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023). Today, the Sunday Times newspaper revealed that Israel has drawn up plans to destroy Iran&#39;s uranium enrichment facilities (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) also using nuclear weapons.

The paper however refused to name the sources, it only said that two Israeli air force squadrons are training to bomb the Iranian facility at Nantaz using low-yield nuclear "bunker-busters," and that conventional laser-guided bombs would open tunnels into the targets.

"As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) will be demolished," the paper quoted one of the sources as saying.

Two other sites, a heavy water plant at Arak and a uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, would also be destroyed using conventional bombs, the paper added.

According to the Sunday Times, the nuclear-tipped "bunker busters" would be used "only if a conventional attack was ruled out" and the U.S. refulsed to intervene.

Experts believe that unlike Iraq&#39;s nuclear reactor Osirak, which Israel destroyed in 1981, Iran&#39;s nuclear facilities, (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) which are scattered all over the country, are difficult for Israel to take on alone.

Israeli military commanders admitted that Iran&#39;s nuclear facilities are well-defended, since most of them are built under at least 70 feet of concrete and rock, according to the newspaper.

But military analysts the paper said it spoke to suggest that the disclosure of such plans by Israel, could be just aimed pressuring Tehran to force it stop nuclear enrichment, after a UN Security Council (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10503)resolution imposing sanctions on Iran as a punishment for refusing to suspend its nuclear program failed to force the Islamic Republic halt its nuclear activities. (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023)

If Israel carried out such nuclear attack, it would be the first since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
While Israel has never admitted having nuclear weapons, it is widely believed to possess a substantial arsenal of such weapons.

And last month, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert acknowledged for the first time Israel&#39;s nuclear weapons, confirming what has been taken granted for decades by much of the world.

In an interview with German television, Mr. Olmert tried to portray Tehran as reckless while placing Israel alongside the accepted nuclear powers.

"Iran openly, explicitly, and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map," Olmert said.

"Can you say that this is the same level, when you are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, and Russia?"[/b]
[/b]

Now lost on the old board so will repost it again.
Israel, against the reports of no wrongdoing by the international nuclear non ploriferation treaty or someone, have never-the-less deemed that Iran has nuclear weapon ability allready.
Now Israel being a small country will be destroyed by just one nuclear missile, therefore it cannot wait and see, so it has announced that any missile coming from Iran will be treated as a Nuclear missile with the resultant launch of its 200 to 400 illegal Nuclear missiles of its own.

Not withstanding Israels record of "accidentally" slaughtering hundreds of innocent Palestinian women and children, you can see how easily an excuse for the total obliteration of Iran is allready in place.

And afterwards, nobody will dare to condemn Israel for fear of being branded an anti-semite Nazi.

[Kenneth]

Israel building world&#39;s largest drone

Israel is building the world&#39;s largest unmanned aerial vehicle that is capable of destroying ballistic missiles as they are being launched, Israel&#39;s Yedioth Ahronoth daily reported on Monday, quoting unidentified security officials.

The drone, which will be used for long-range operations, is being developed by the state-owned Israel Aircraft Industries, the officials told the paper.

According to the report, the aircraft, called the Eitan, has a wing span of 35 meters, similar to that of a Boeing 737 passenger plane.

The officials said the drone was designed for long endurance and high altitude flights. It is also equipped with several high-tech cameras and missiles that would enable it to identify and intercept long-range missiles as they are being fired on the ground.

The newspaper said the unmanned aircraft is due to make its maiden flight in the coming days.

Israel has stepped up the development of its military hardware in recent years to counter missile threats, fearing an attack from Iran, which has acquired long-range ballistic missiles.

Israel considers Iran its greatest threat and has been working hard to counter Tehran&#39;s long-range Shahab-3 missiles, which have a range of 2,000 km.

Israeli security experts say the Shahab-3 missile can be equipped with nuclear warheads and can reach Israeli territory, as well several U.S. military bases in the Middle East.

Israel, widely considered the Middle East&#39;s sole nuclear (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10421)power, claims, together with the U.S., that Tehran is seeking to build an atomic bomb.

Yesterday, The Sunday Times newspaper reported that Israel has drawn up plans to destroy Iran&#39;s uranium enrichment facilities using nuclear weapons.

Iran, which unlike Israel is a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10317), insists that its nuclear program (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023)is peaceful.[/b]

[Kenneth]

Who\&#39;s planning the world\&#39;s upcoming war?
<a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215" target="_blank">

Bush</a>\&#39;s much anticipated speech in which he\&#39;s expected to announce to his nation new plans for Iraq and the reaction to it will determine the next step in Iraq, test the American President\&#39;s relations with the new power in the Congress; the Democrats (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10354), and set the path for his final two years in office.

Some analysts say it could increase pressure for withdrawal from Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964), or encourage another war in the region, this time against Iran.

As Americans and the whole world awaits President George W. Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)\&#39;s speech scheduled for Wednesday night, where he\&#39;ll attempt to sell his nation his new decision of committing more troops and money to his failing war in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) that\&#39;s already cost more than 3,000 American lives and at least $300 billion, it\&#39;s important to not miss the larger picture- \"The War Party is turning its attention from Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) -- to Iran.,\" stated an article on Pittsburgh Tribune.

Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215) must be asking himself amidst growing dissatisfaction with his policies at home and worldwide, \"will I leave here as the man who launched failed wars in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) and Afghanistan (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10297)that cost thousands of U.S. dead, to no avail? Or can I yet enter history as the Churchillian statesman who used U.S. power to save America and Israel from the mortal threat of atomic weapons in the hands of the Iranian mullahs?\" according to Pittsburgh Tribune\&#39;s editorial.

What will be Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)\&#39;s choice, and what legacy does he prefer to leave his nation and the world?

Would he dare launch another war, with only two years left for him as the President of the world\&#39;s most powerful country? Or will his failure in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) prevent him from embarking on another costly and stupid adventure, particularly one that relies on the same premise that was so discredited in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964); \"protecting the world against the alleged threat of weapons of mass destruction\".

A UN Resolution 1737 that prohibits the sale of any materials to Iran that could be used in their \"enrichment related, reprocessing or heavy water related activities,\" was passed unanimously by the Council\&#39;s 15 members last month. It also imposes restrictions on the movements of twenty-two people or entities involved in the nuclear program (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023), the Ballistic missile program or both, as well as freezing their \"funds, other financial assets and economic resources.\"

Iran has previously refused to stop its nuclear activities (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10023) in line with Resolution 1696, which issued an August 31 deadline for Tehran to stop all enrichment and other nuclear activities.

The Islamic Republic is now two weeks into a 60-day deadline to answer the UN 1737 resolution, which was passed unanimously and gives Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215) the UN cover he needs to wage war, just like he did with Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) over three years ago.

In case Iran fails to meet the UN deadline, the U.S. will likely call for tougher measures against it, and up the escalator we go.
The U.S. and UK seem to be readying plans for a military confrontation against Iran.

Both states began moving additional warships and strike aircraft into the Persian Gulf region in what analysts describe as a display of military resolve toward Iran. Also Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates is believed to have approved a request for placing a second aircraft carrier and its supporting ships within quick sailing distance of Iran by early next year.

Washington and the U.S. may be sending signals, but Israel on the other hand is finalizing plans for a military strike against Iran.

A report on the Sunday Times of London earlier this week stated that Israel is preparing nuclear strike on the Iranian nuclear program, using tactical nuclear \"bunker busters\" supplied by the United States.

Israel quickly denied the Times article. But the report has a certain truthiness. Israel is certainly considering how to stop Tehran from getting its hands on nukes.

Retired Gen. Oded Tira stated that:

\"As an American air strike in Iran is essential for our existence, we must help (Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215)) pave the way by lobbying the Democratic Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and U.S. newspaper editors. We need to do this in order to turn the Iranian issue to a bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964) failure.\"

\"The Americans must act,\" Tira concludes. \"If they don\&#39;t, we\&#39;ll do it ourselves ... (and) we must immediately start preparing for an Iranian response to an attack.\"

Tira\&#39;s remarks echoed the New Year\&#39;s Day message of Benjamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli Prime Minister.

Said Netanyahu, Israel \"must immediately launch an intense, international public relations front first and foremost on the U.S. The goal being to encourage President Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=%2010215) to live up to specific pledges he would not allow Iran to arm itself with nuclear weapons. We must make clear to the (U.S.) government, the Congress and the American public that a nuclear Iran is a threat to the U.S. and the entire world, not only Israel.\"

Israel\&#39;s war, according to Netanyahu, must be sold as America\&#39;s war.

The question is will the Congress be fooled to enter another war for the sake of Israel, or will the Democrats (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10354)-led Congress have the courage to take the war option out of the American President\&#39;s hands?[/b]

[LoveJehovah]

In all my days I have never experienced and seen so much as I have witnessed in the past 2 years. I just can&#39;t understand and believe that anyone does not realize or can see that things are really escalating. They are escalating more than even what I could have ever imagined. I have 2 grandchildren and it just disappoints me that they understand what is going on and what is going to happen and the hope for the future but the parents have not done anything about coming into the truth. I witness to them every chance I get and it is a good witness and they believe and understand but I keep expressing to them that it is not enough. As our past Watchtower lesson brought out, it is not enough to believe, to love, we have to put it into action. Each and everyday I see the news and read the paper and more and more each day the prophecies of the Bible are fulfilling and they are almost fulfilled. I am not rushing it but I truly will be glad when that day comes.

[Kenneth]

U.S. forces storm Iranian consulate in Iraq

U.S. occupation forces stormed an Iranian consulate in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil and seized five employees on Thursday. Senior local officials said U.S. troops also seized computers and papers from the office.

"Around 5.00 a.m., after disarming the guards they (U.S. troops) broke into the office, without giving any explanation and arrested five employees," the official Iranian news agency IRNA reported.

A local TV station said Kurdish security forces had taken over the building after the Americans left the area.

It also reported that Iran sent a protest letter to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry.

Irbil lies in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964)&#39;s Kurdish-controlled north, about 350km from the capital Baghdad.

The U.S. army had no immediate comment on the raid, which came amid high tensions between Tehran and Washington.

The Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10215)administration accuses Iran of aiding the Iraqi resistance, as well as trying to develop an atomic bomb.

On Thursday, President Bush (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10215)vowed in a speech to interrupt what he called "the flow of support" from Iran and Syria for "insurgent" attacks in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964).

Tehran strongly denies Washington&#39;s charges, contending that the U.S.&#39;s military involvement in the Middle East endangers the whole region.

Thursday&#39;s raid was the second operation by U.S. forces against Iranian interests in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964)in the past month.

In December, U.S. troops arrested a number of Iranians they claimed were suspected of planning attacks on Iraqi security forces, including diplomats who were later turned over to Iraqi authorities.

A U.S. official claimed that the arrests validated U.S. assertions about "Iranian meddling" in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964).

But Iran said the arrested diplomats were invited by the Iraqi government as part of a deal between the two countries to improve security in the war-torn country.[/b]

[eyes&ears]

Hold on tight LoveJehovah and keep your children in prayer. You never know when your good example might turn them around. Don&#39;t give up on em yet OKEY DOKEY.

Perhaps if you back off a little, and just continue to show them, love, patience and concern that may help more than you ever know.

Just my little two cents worth. I know that will be hard because you love them so much, but remember JEHOVAH KNOWS THEIR HEARTS.

Keep them in prayer, do what you can and LET JEHOVAH TAKE CARE OF THE REST.

I will keep you all in prayer to Jehovah also.

Love to you and your family.

[Kenneth]

Bush will expand war before Blair resigns

Looks like Bush will make his move on Iran before Blair leaves office. According to Aljazeera an attack could happen by April. The attack is being driven by Blair&#39;s departure from No 10. It seems that the US want to topple Iran and destabilize Syria and interestingly Cheney is at the centre of it. In my opinion those 20,000 troops were not set to Iraq to support the Iraqi government but are more or likely preparing to go to war with Iran. According to Aljazeera what we may see in the next few months is a wave of anti-Iranian propaganda by the Bush-Cheney camp, much of which will no doubt cause a moral panic among Westerners. However, the economic consequence will prove to be dire as the price of oil will sore to new heights. Yes, the GT may well be on the horizon because like Iraq a war with Iran makes no sense, I can only conclude there are hooks in jaws. It&#39;s as if the great puppeteer :icon_evil: is about to give this final performance on his 6000 years of terror.

Kenneth

"And I shall certainly turn you around and put hooks in your jaws and bring you forth with all your military force".

[Nambo]

Bush will expand war before Blair resigns[/b]

Quite probably, but Gordon Brown who has allready told India of his plans for the "New World Order", so its bound to be a case of, "same face, differant mask".

Looks like your next president is having trouble getting hers to fit!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Nambocttr/hillarysm.jpg

[Jeshurun]

Looks like your next president is having trouble getting hers to fit![/b]


Why do you think it&#39;s Hillary and not Edwards?

[Kenneth]

Kenneth</span></span> </span>

[Nambo]

<div class='quotemain'>Looks like your next president is having trouble getting hers to fit![/b]


Why do you think it&#39;s Hillary and not Edwards?
[/b][/quote]

Shes "one of them" apparently :-


"There has been much speculation about Hillary Clinton for years. She is ambitious beyond parallel and everyone knows that "the only thing evil loves more than innocence...is ambition". She has been seen wearing an illuminist Phoenix pendant , hails from zip code 60606 Chicago, the Phoenix City in that it rose from the ashes of the Great Fire and she met her husband Bill Clinton - a former De Molay masonic youth and Cecil Rhodes One World Government Rhodes scholar in Oxford- at Yale University law school. As many suspect, Yale is essentially a Secret Society coven-complex which uses its status as an &#39;elite&#39; University as a cover. The following information should leave little doubt - especially when combined with all of the other matters- that Hillary Clinton is a practicing Satanist. If she becomes President - it will not be a huge change, she will merely replace the current Skull and Bones Satanist that is there today.

THE EVIDENCE:

1. Hillary Clinton was the Director, not just a &#39;bit player&#39; of the New World Foundation in New York City. ThisFoundation funded virtually EVERY radical / communist / abortionist / bizarre cause and group imaginable. and phoenix pendant =

2. Hillary Clinton wrote a favorable critique of a piece calling for "An American Kampuchea". This of course was the name Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge gave to Cambodia when they assumed power. Anyone reading this is familiar with the photos of the mounds of skulls. According to the following link Mrs. Clinton had a &#39;rasputin&#39; or guru that produces the Tikkun magazine. The Tikkun publisher is Michael Lerner. Blaine. She was the daughter of Cyrus McCormick the inventor of the mechanized reaper. She founded the Chicago Institute over a century ago. It became part of the Rockefeller created University of Chicago in shortly thereafter.

4. Needless to say - Ms. McCormick Blaine was involved in the Occult. She favored a One World Government and furthered so called far-left radical causes. She "became interested in Spiritualism" .

5. The previous link indicates that Ms. McCormick Blaine was a supporter of Henry Wallace in his run for the White House in 1948. Mr. Wallace favored a &#39;soft&#39; policy on the Soviet Union and had heavy Communist Support in the USA.

Also "Wallace was a lifelong student of ... various oriental cults, mysticism and numerology. " ... Yes that is correct that is what this article is concerned with : Numerology... 666. The article also notes he considered Nicholas Roerich possibly his Guru. Roerich was considered a "god" by his followers. Again, that is what 666 is about -it as the Bible says is the number of a man. A man that would become "like unto God". .

6. As many readers may know, Henry Wallace was a Freemason and he was the man responsible for placing the Eye of the Illuminati in the pyramid on the US One Dollar Bill. (http://www.wealth4freedom.com/dollarbill.html)

7. Dan Brown, author of the Da Vinci Code indicates that the Illuminati infiltrated the freemasons and used the eye pyramid symbol as "their brand" on the dollar bill. If so, then former Vice President of the USA Wallace as the man responsible for the Eye/pyramid being on the dollar - MUST BE ILLUMINATI.

8. Tell me who you&#39;re with and I&#39;ll tell you who you are...Remember the saying? If Ms. McCormick Blaine was into "spiritualism" and decides to be the major funder of a member of the Illuminati that places the eye of Horus over the pyramid of Giza on the US Dollar then in all likelihood she was connected to the Illuminati. Now... her "charitable foundation" is located in a 666 building in New York City and it was run by none other than phoenix pendant wearing Yale graduate - power and ambition obsessed - future President of the United States- Hillary Clinton.

Conclusion: Hillary Clinton is a powerful member of the Illuminati. She will be our next President. She will inherit all of the powers the Bush administration has now amassed in the Government under the guise of a false flag created war on terror. She will further the mission of One World Government and there will be little to stop her. Time to Pray"



.................................................. ....................

All the above claims where supported by links which I have removed re site policy.

Anyway, if its not Hillary, it will be somebody else, if you know what I mean!

Maybe George has got a son?

[Jeshurun]

An interesting point from the essays is that when the stone is cut out of the mountain "not by hands" that destroys Nebuchadnezzar&#39;s image, it is he himself who signifies the "ten kings" of Revelation, or, the NWO. The image that he erected and demanded everyone to worship measured 60 X 6 cubits. Not that I am discounting the Society&#39;s interpretation of the number, which also makes sense. Time will well if there is another meaning to the number. But how fitting is it that Babylon is ultimately the target of the stone!

Interesting information about Hillary, to say the least, but she has taken huge hits in the polls lately.

I was in that 666 building once, it&#39;s on Fifth Avenue across the street from St. Patrick&#39;s Cathedral!

Somehow I can&#39;t see Hillary&#39;s zipcode being a part of the Revelation but I could be wrong. It just never ends!

Lou

[Kenneth]

It appears that Israel is preparing its people for confrontation with Iran. Benjamin Netanyahu drawing on history stated that the Jews need to defend themselves as no one will defend Israel for us. This is propaganda at its best as America has spent billions of dollars on the Israeli military, I have been convinced for years that we have a Marxist media and what politicians and the likes of fleet street say people just swallow. If there is going to be Anglo-American-Israeli military strike in Iran it may unleash thousands of suicide bombers all over the Western world, at this point I think we can say with confidence the GT has started. Aljazeera has also reported that it&#39;s the intention of the U.S., UK and Israel to topple Iran has nothing to do with their nuclear weapons program. In all probability as was the case in Iraq, America needs to feed it oil habit and its willing to anything to get a fix.

kenneth

[Nambo]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Looks like your next president is having trouble getting hers to fit![/b]


Why do you think it&#39;s Hillary and not Edwards?
[/b][/quote]

Shes "one of them" apparently :-


"There has been much speculation about Hillary Clinton for years. She is ambitious beyond parallel and everyone knows that "the only thing evil loves more than innocence...is ambition". She has been seen wearing an illuminist Phoenix pendant , hails from zip code 60606 Chicago, the Phoenix City in that it rose from the ashes of the Great Fire and she met her husband Bill Clinton - a former De Molay masonic youth and Cecil Rhodes One World Government Rhodes scholar in Oxford- at Yale University law school. As many suspect, Yale is essentially a Secret Society coven-complex which uses its status as an &#39;elite&#39; University as a cover. The following information should leave little doubt - especially when combined with all of the other matters- that Hillary Clinton is a practicing Satanist. If she becomes President - it will not be a huge change, she will merely replace the current Skull and Bones Satanist that is there today.

[/b][/quote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../wclinton07.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=XD50C05JOCFNPQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2007/02/07/wclinton07.xml)

[stayawake]

Hey, I dont have anything to add,except I just love it when you brothers get together like this and toss around whats going on in the world and then give your opinions.
I have really learned a lot about our every day events from you all,and want to thank you so much. Of course i realize that some of your opinions are speculation, but isnt it wonderful that Watchman allows us this freedom
There was a post on the other day, that mentioned our being out of the box. Cant remember who said it, but thought it was sooo cute.
Ok , sorry i broke in, but wanted you to know you always have my attention. Carry on&#39;
Love you all, stayawake

[Shibboleth]

Hey, I dont have anything to add,except I just love it when you brothers get together like this and toss around whats going on in the world and then give your opinions.[/b]


That&#39;s why it is called "Watching the World". We gotta do it. The Jews in Jesus day were watching the world because the signs would point to Jesus&#39; birth and his presense at that time. We have to continuously watch the world for Jesus&#39; return. If we don&#39;t we may miss it and the signs. :icon_razz:

[clay]

...Motivated here to echo stayawake&#39;s thoughts. I also have learned more here from reading you guys input, research and putting it together, about what is really goin on in front of us and behind the scenes, about how the prophecies, scriptures apply. This site and info has changed my direction. Maybe one day there may be something I can post that adds to it, meantime, also would like to echo my thank you&#39;s to all. Keep it goin on
clay

[clay]

...Motivated here to echo stayawake&#39;s thoughts. I also have learned more here from reading you guys input, research and putting it together, about what is really goin on in front of us and behind the scenes, about how the prophecies, scriptures apply. This site and info has changed my direction. Maybe one day there may be something I can post that adds to it, meantime, also would like to echo my thank you&#39;s to all. Keep it goin on
clay

[Shibboleth]

Great Newsweek article on Iran.


Iran vs US (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17050142/site/newsweek/)

[Kenneth]

Not sure where to put this. Hope it all right to post. For those who are looking for a better understanding of history and political thinking the Berkley University of California are pod casting all their lectures. All you have to do is download I-tunes some of the lectures are really good. Many of the subjects are discussed on this thread

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_feeds.php?semesterid=21


Enlightment Series University of Edinburgh

That have lectures by Stiglitz and Chomsky and a whole host of others.

http://www.ed.ac.uk/explore/av/enlightenment2006/podcast/

Kenneth

[Berean]

Not sure where to put this. Hope it all right to post. For those who are looking for a better understanding of history and political thinking the Berkley University of California are pod casting all their lectures. All you have to do is download I-tunes some of the lectures are really good. Many of the subjects are discussed on this thread

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_feeds.php?semesterid=21


Enlightment Series University of Edinburgh

That have lectures by Stiglitz and Chomsky and a whole host of others.

http://www.ed.ac.uk/explore/av/enlightenment2006/podcast/

Kenneth[/b]

Hey, thanks! That should prove helpful in my history studies as well. :)

[Shibboleth]

Keeping in line with the topic "Watching the World".

Here is an article on child soldiers. It is a haunting article that will make you think differently about the times we live in. Very frightening and chilling.

Child Soldiers (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/02/12/btsc.koinange.childsoldiers/index.html)

[Kenneth]

The US are employing the same tactics on Iran as were used in Iraq, propaganda. "The United States is moving closer to war with Iran by accusing the "highest levels" of the Iranian government of supplying sophisticated roadside bombs to the Iraqi resistance -- charges Tehran dismissed as "baseless"." The roadside bombs are said to be of Iranian origin. "The weapons had characteristics unique to being manufactured in Iran... Iran is the only country in the region that produces these weapons,"

Also the US accused Iran of supplying money to Shia groups along with military training. Even though the Iranians denied taking any part in Iraq (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9964).

[Jinnvisible]

It is consistent for the media.

What do you suppose the main difference between Iran and Iraq is for the westen media-watching masses ?

Easy, its the last letter. Swap the `q` for an `n` provide a mustashioed twidling villainous saddam-esk leader. Hey presidento instant righteous war.

What are all those brown people doing in the desert with all that oil and nuclear power anyway ? Just loitering, asking for it.

[barry]

Yesterday there was an meeting with our belgian prime minister (Verhofstadt) and the head of the international nuclear agency el-Baradei in Brussels.
He warned the USA for the risks of an attack on Iran.
He said that bombing Iran would have the opposite result, because it would make iranians believe that their nuclear program would be of national priority. He pleaded for a simultaneous stop of their nuclear program and stopping the sanctions of the Security Council against Teheran. He pleaded for a diplomatic solution for the problem. He is getting support from Russia.
The European ministers of foreign affairs gave the green light to apply the sanctions on European level. He said that those sanctions are important, but not the only thing. They should develop a pro-active diplomacy which urges the different parties to go back to negociations.


Part of the news broadcast said that US has no intentions to attack Iran, but still they wanted to warn them for it.

[Jeshurun]

I&#39;ve been reading some incredible stuff about the underhanded wheeling and dealing going on between the Vatican and Israel in order for the Vatican to "acquire" the Temple Mount real estate in Jerusalem.

For those of you who are interested, the Vatican&#39;s underhanded goal is to rebuild Solomon&#39;s temple on the site where the Dome of the Rock presently stands, from where the "Pope" can rule the world. This is the underlying root cause of most of the problems in the Middle East.

I will be happy to supply links to this info via PM, and you can decide for yourself, just ask.

Lou

[Nambo]

I&#39;ve been reading some incredible stuff about the underhanded wheeling and dealing going on between the Vatican and Israel in order for the Vatican to "acquire" the Temple Mount real estate in Jerusalem.

For those of you who are interested, the Vatican&#39;s underhanded goal is to rebuild Solomon&#39;s temple on the site where the Dome of the Rock presently stands, from where the "Pope" can rule the world. This is the underlying root cause of most of the problems in the Middle East.

I will be happy to supply links to this info via PM, and you can decide for yourself, just ask.

Lou[/b]

My Muslim contact at work informs me that he belives they are digging tunnels under the Dome of the Rock in the hope that the foundations will be weakened and it will fall down!

[Jeshurun]

Got this from Aljazeerah:


Israel continues destructive digging at Al Aqsa 2/11/2007 5:00:00 PM GMT http://www.aljazeera.com/ajnew/white.gif

Israel on Sunday continued the destructive digging near Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, as 2,000 policemen were out on the streets braced for a third straight day of violent confrontation with Palestinian youths protesting the excavations that threaten the safety of the holy site.

Confrontation between Israeli police and Palestinians were renewed Sunday.

Despite massive protests that broke out throughout the Arab and Muslim world, the Israeli cabinet ordered the continuation of the controversial construction work near the holy site.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert claimed the work was essential to repair a particular structure and doesn&#39;t pose any threat to the mosque.

Yesterday, and following an emergency Arab League meeting in Egypt, which was also attended by Palestinian presidential aid Nabil Shaath, Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa accused Israel of attempting to alter the features of Jerusalem with its current excavation near the Al-Aqsa mosque.

Also Malaysia denounced the Israeli violations and the continuous excavations the holy site, Islam&#39;s third holiest shrine, calling for the immediate halt of such work.

-- AJP and agencies

[Jeshurun]

Blair outrages his own party over &#39;Son of Star Wars&#39; plan <div align="left">Reuters
Saturday, February 24, 2007 </div>
<div align="left">Tony Blair has outraged his own party by secretly pressing for Britain to become a missile base for the U.S. &#39;Son of Star Wars&#39; defence programme.

His personal lobbying of President Bush was condemned as a "disgraceful" surrender of sovereignty to Washington.

MPs protested that Parliament had not been made aware of Mr Blair&#39;s active negotiations with the president. Sources said even the Cabinet was not told of the plans.

Key elements of the futuristic defence system could include a silo of ten anti-ballistic missiles which would be fired from U.S. bases in Britain to intercept longrange weapons from the Middle East, specifically Iran.

The move raised fears of a 21st Century Cold War. There was concern that Britain might be thrust into the front line of a new arms race and would be an obvious target for attack by America&#39;s enemies.

Mr Blair&#39;s secret dealings could prove a major problem for his expected successor Gordon Brown, who could be forced to tackle a major back-bench rebellion against the plans during his first months in office. Dozens of Labour MPs are already expected to stage a revolt next month against the Government&#39;s plans to replace the Trident nuclear deterrent, and backbenchers said the same level of opposition to the Star Wars programme is likely.

The Chancellor has made clear he wants to set a new robust tone with Washington when he takes over as Prime Minister, probably by July.


Critics seized on Mr Blair&#39;s overtures to President Bush as fresh evidence that he is the junior partner in the so-called "special relationship". Left-wing Labour MP and leadership candidate John McDonnell said: &#39;This disgraceful surrender of sovereignty by Tony Blair will put future generations at risk of nuclear and terrorist attack.

"We cannot allow him to transform our country into a nuclear aircraft-carrier for the Bush regime."

The issue has been given added urgency following a report this week which found Iran has massively extended its nuclear programme, in defiance of the UN.

Downing Street confirmed that Mr Blair wanted Britain to be considered for a site for a silo of ten interceptors to bring down intercontinental ballistic missiles from the Middle East.

A No 10 spokesman said: &#39;The Prime Minister thinks it is a good idea that we are part of the consideration by the U.S.

"We believe it is an important step towards providing missile defence coverage for Europe, of which we are part."

Downing Street claimed discussions were at an "early stage". But it is likely they are beyond simple preliminaries, as the U.S. wants a decision on a site by next year. The interceptors would become operational in 2012.

Although Britain would be protected as part of the defence shield, the plans would make the country a prime target for a direct missile strike and terrorist attack. Defence experts warned it also risked fuelling a new arms race between U.S., Russia and China.

America has been developing a missile shield to protect itself and allies from the threat of attack from North Korea and Iran since 2002.

The cost of locating the silo would be met by the U.S. But defence experts said it would create a huge drain on British resources, including extra police officers drafted in to support security against protesters and terrorists.

U.S. officials tried to play

down the row yesterday, claiming that Britain was not the first choice for the site, as other possible locations had been identified in the Czech Republic and Poland.

David Johnson, deputy to the U.S. Ambassador to London, told Radio 4: "As we go forward there may be opportunities for us to talk to other countries about their needs, but right

Britain controversially agreed to upgrade its early warning radar station at the Fylingdales RAF base, on the North Yorkshire moors, in preparation for it to work with the U.S. antimissile system. It is thought Fylingdales has been ruled out in favour of another site, possibly at Lakenheath or Mildenhall in Suffolk.

The Economist reported that Mr Blair had been waging a campaign since last autumn to secure the site for Britain.

In 2001, more than 100 Labour MPs backed a Commons motion opposing Britain&#39;s involvement in a Star Wars system.

The names of more than 30 Labour backbenchers are on a current motion warning against military action against Iran and calling for a diplomatic solution, tabled by former Cabinet Minister Nick Brown, a close ally of the Chancellor.

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[Kenneth]

Open letter to AIPAC on war with Iran

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13216

[Shibboleth]

Open letter to AIPAC on war with Iran

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13216[/b]


My favorite paragraph from that article :


Fear Based Decision-making
Still, some believe that the only way to prevent a nuclear Iran is to attack now, and that not to do so would be more dangerous. As Otto von Bismarck said, "Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death." Acting out of fear, we make unintelligent decisions that backfire and play into the hands of extremists.

Many politicians assume they must "leave the military option on the table." Threatening war to prevent war is likely to provoke war. Actions taken out of existential fear, "in self defense" trigger existential fear in those threatened, creating a self-fulfilling paranoia. Actors are most dangerous when afraid and most violent when attacked, humiliated, and despairing. Paradoxically, the way to be more secure is to make your enemy more secure. We have such strategies in our tool kits.[/b]

[Jeshurun]

PRESS RELEASE
Once the Presidency has been restored, the U.S. can proceed with an alliance with Russia, China, and India to impose a political solution, based on what FDR did with the war mobilization and the creation of the Bretton Woods fixed-exchange-rate system. That is the only alternative to the plunge into hell.

[Kenneth]

Open letter to Congress to prevent War on Iran

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13229

[Sketch]

Fear Based Decision-making

Still, some believe that the only way to prevent a nuclear Iran is to attack now, and that not to do so would be more dangerous. As Otto von Bismarck said, "Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death."[/b]

One thing I&#39;ve learned living around the DC area is that people will never be happy. If someone had killed Hitler before the holocaust, and prevented it, then people would&#39;ve cried "FOUL!", but now people cry "FOUL!" because the gov&#39;ts knew what he was doing and did nothing about it... so, would it have been right to take out Hitler before everything happened in WWII?? 6 million Jews and 20 million russians may have an opinion if they weren&#39;t dead...


Acting out of fear, we make unintelligent decisions that backfire and play into the hands of extremists.[/b]

yet another blanket statement that may be true in some cases, but certainly not all...


Actors are most dangerous when afraid and most violent when attacked, humiliated, and despairing.[/b]

Actors are at their most dangerous when given scripts like "Weekend At Bernie&#39;s", "Beatlejuice" or "Throw Mamma From the Train" :P

[Sketch]

Looks like the rats are jumping ship...

Haliburton just announced that its Main HQ (currently in Houston, TX), is moving to Dubai. This isn&#39;t a regional HQ... this is The CORPORATE Headquarters... Moving to the Middle East...

Houston Chronical Article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4620179.html

[Jeshurun]

That does not bode well for Houston. Many of the New Orleans refugees ended up there.

Thanks for the update Sketch.

[Jeshurun]

Closing in on the final Act: Re-enter an old &#39;friend&#39;....Bush pulls another &#39;deception&#39;, Putin &#39;responds&#39;. Enter more &#39;props&#39; for East Asia and Eastern Europe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2054142,00.html

¹⁶ And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on.

[eyes&ears]

:huh: :o :evil: :suspicious: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

E & E

[Kenneth]

Interesting article of how Iran can’t win either way

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/ar...ervice_ID=13456 (http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=13456)

“If Iraq&#39;s situation improves, the U.S. will claim that Iran was the root of insecurity and if Iraq becomes insecure, the Americans will say it&#39;s useless negotiating with Iran..."

[Shibboleth]

Interesting article of how Iran can&#39;t win either way

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/ar...ervice_ID=13456 (http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=13456)

"If Iraq&#39;s situation improves, the U.S. will claim that Iran was the root of insecurity and if Iraq becomes insecure, the Americans will say it&#39;s useless negotiating with Iran..."[/b]


It&#39;s cause the age of diplomacy is over. This is the age of war. the Persians are going done no matter what happens. In fact the whole world is going down. All we can do is watch it get torn to pieces by greedy men. Religion and Governments, the worse thing to happen to planet earth since Eve gave Adam some forbidden fruit.

[Nambo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wbolton16.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WZKEIZ0SRT4ZNQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/news/2007/05/16/wbolton16.xml)

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

In a similar vein, I read this article yesterday in the Guardian - keep watching, it&#39;s not over yet!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2079648,00.html

EF

[Jeshurun]

On a similar note, looks like the new Democratic Congress won&#39;t be a problem for the neocons:

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13413

[Jeshurun]

I am definitely living in the wrong country. How much easier it would be to witness to people about Jehovah&#39;s approaching Kingdom if we only had mainstream news like on Dutch TV.

The Bilderberg conference is currently taking place in Istanbul. There are 140 neocons and global bankers deciding the fate of the world over a few rounds of golf. On this clip from Dutch TV news, they speak openly of the world conspiracy of a NWO and the global elite&#39;s plans to eliminate at least half the world-s population to preserve "natural resources".

I&#39;m not going to post the link, but I suggest going to Google and ask for "Dutch TV News Bilderberg". It will come out on top. From there you will find a host of other videos about the NWO conspiracy. Just don&#39;t overdose like I did last night. I had to read the Bible for an hour to flush the anger from my system.

Agape
Lou

[Shibboleth]

Hey Jesh that&#39;s why we shouldn&#39;t worry over things that are totally out of our control. We do have to keep a watch, but that is just it, "watch". Be mindful and be wary and let Jehovah handle it cause he fully will. This is why I stopped watching and listening to Glenn Beck. he would talk about things that stirred up some deep hatred for stuff I can&#39;t control. We skirt a fine line. We can get over-exhausted if we get caught up in the elements. We can&#39;t let that happen. Read the letter of James and sit back and meditate on it.

[Berean]

I am definitely living in the wrong country. How much easier it would be to witness to people about Jehovah&#39;s approaching Kingdom if we only had mainstream news like on Dutch TV.[/b]
One thing about that video: that wasn&#39;t a news programme, but an entertainment show called &#39;RTL Boulevard&#39;. Like in America, Bilderberg stuff isn&#39;t in the mainstream news programmes, but it apparently works in entertainment shows like this one - presumably because of the element of mystery making it appropriate for this kind of show.

[Jeshurun]

One thing about that video: that wasn&#39;t a news programme, but an entertainment show called &#39;RTL Boulevard&#39;. Like in America, Bilderberg stuff isn&#39;t in the mainstream news programmes, but it apparently works in entertainment shows like this one - presumably because of the element of mystery making it appropriate for this kind of show.[/b]

Thanks for enlightening me Berean. I would say that&#39;s quite deceptive on the part of the person who posted it on YouTube.

How gifted we are on this board to have people from all over the world who are keen to these things.

In any event, even though we&#39;ll never see this kind of news on CNN or FOX, I would at least settle for "Saturday Night Live". But the venue matters not in America. Anyone casting doubt on the regime&#39;s Reichstag story will be blackballed into oblivion. Take Rosie for example. Interesting how FoxNews has refused to let up on her for weeks now. They seem to continually lambaste her day and night without letup. Now why do you think Rupert Murdoch and Co. would be acting like this? If there was no truth to what she said and she was nothing more than a crackpot, you would think they would move on to other things with their "valuable" airtime. I guess guilt has a way of making one defensive when confronted with legitimate questions.

Agape
Lou

[billy]

Hello Jeshurun

thank you for bringing this news item to my attention - i googled some of the sites and u-tubed abit more info - i&#39;d never even heard of this meeting - its amazing how much is going on right under our noses and we are so unware - the internet has certainly revealed many things - i wonder how long we will be able to see these secret things going on - i heard on a news report the UN are exploring ways of controlling the internet

even with our own religous organization - i was shocked to read the wt sues websites for revealing information on them

recentley i googled the "Bohemian Club" from reading a post on this club - and was astounded that powerful people acutually perform demonic ceremonies - which im sure they claim are all done in good humor

one point of interest on the Bilderburg meetings is they invite some journalists - but are not allowed to report anything in their papers - one was the washington post - apparently they attend these meeting regularly - but nothing is ever mentioned about the meetings - i wonder if Rubert Murdoch attends - it becomes very clear that the media of newspapers, television are very restricted in what they can report

learning of this type of information reinforces how satan has really blinded the world - and how Jehovah&#39;s word makes more and more sense - it makes me trust Jehovah even more

[billy]

[b]<sup>as an after thought - this scripture imo applies

For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were n those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be

i have spoken to a few people about the bohemian club and other new world order items but they dont seem to care - their work, social, and sporting lives are more important than discerning the times we live in

i noticed on u-tube there is a cnn piece on the Bilderberg meeting

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[Jeshurun]

Hello Jeshurun

the internet has certainly revealed many things - i wonder how long we will be able to see these secret things going on - i heard on a news report the UN are exploring ways of controlling the internet...

recentley i googled the "Bohemian Club" from reading a post on this club - and was astounded that powerful people acutually perform demonic ceremonies - which im sure they claim are all done in good humor

one point of interest on the Bilderburg meetings is they invite some journalists - but are not allowed to report anything in their papers - one was the washington post - apparently they attend these meeting regularly - but nothing is ever mentioned about the meetings - i wonder if Rubert Murdoch attends - it becomes very clear that the media of newspapers, television are very restricted in what they can report

learning of this type of information reinforces how satan has really blinded the world - and how Jehovah&#39;s word makes more and more sense - it makes me trust Jehovah even more[/b]

Hi Billy

If I had read this and didn&#39;t know who wrote it, I would have thought it was me, say, about November of last year. I saw that you said you were from the land down under. How are those droughts affecting you?

I&#39;m so glad to see you&#39;re Googling and learning fast. Just a little brotherly advice, the deeper you dig, the more horrible it all gets. It&#39;s crucial to learn only if you feel it will add strength to you to know how low Satan can go. It&#39;s makes me understand things so much more from Jehovah&#39;s standpoint, that he has had to allow Satan to cause so much pain and suffering, while the vast majority of his human creatures are deluded into believing that their Maker is unjust and uncaring and cruel.

What Paul said in 2 Thessalonians about "accepting the love of the truth" makes much more sense to me now. Jehovah knew that the ones coming to have insight would be given that gift because they incessantly SEARCHED for it, displaying the love of the truth and enabling them to at least have a chance to be saved, and most importantly, to help save others. The day is already here when siblings of families of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are "killed" by their own family. Spiritually, because they&#39;ve been cut off from family for a plethora of different disagreements with the Watchtower&#39;s endless non-scriptural edicts. People dying of old age having never met their grandchildren, because of the Satanic practice of shunning anyone who refuses to quit following Jesus when the Watchtower&#39;s leadership has clearly lost sight of him.

And the deeper you go, the more you&#39;ll find that very very few major events happen in this world by accident, sometimes even if they appear to be "natural" disasters.

Keep Googlin&#39; and please keep comin&#39; back to share your great thoughts here.

Agape
Lou

[Cricket]

During these secretive Bilderberg meetings I think there are several attending media moguls who effectively lock down any information they do not want out to leak out there. Many of them have 60 -70% control of the media in their countries so any reporter wanting to keep their job will not report on these meetings.

In watching the news, have you ever wondered why there are only 3-4 stories hashed and re-hashed over and over again? There has to be so much more going on, both good and bad but instead they focus on our fears (TB-exposure scare) and play on our emotions - such as the daily running tally of our dead in Iraq. Our newspapers do not report out a lot - mostly ads - and there is no real information in them. They only tell us what they want us to know. I am very wary of tactics or stories given out so that the people themselves will offer up their rights and freedoms in the name of Peace and Security. And if you do not follow along, the label of "conspiracy theorist" or "whack job" is slapped on you.

Lou, Shib and Nambo - keep digging for the stories and tidbits that get out there! There is very little we can do about it, but it is good to be aware.

I can go for days without watching the news and I found that I really did not miss much! Only missed out on knowing about Tropical storm Barry but we REALLY needed this rain. Thought I&#39;d never say I was happy to have a tropical storm come through!

[stayawake]

I wish the news media would get on that TB exposure scare, there seems to be a Big Story behind that. Prob a gag order was put on it already
How in the world can some one be quarteened for 60 days, for some thing they think a man has, but there are no symptons, hes not contagous, they have no proof that he has what they think he has .Hes not ill, nothing shows up, yet the strongest antiboatic wont touch it.
Then to ask for those who were on the same fights as he was, to turn themself in.
Hey, i&#39;m afried to say more .

[Sketch]

.... AND.... he has the docs on tape to prove he wasn&#39;t contagious... why would someone do that? does any normal person, under normal circumstances tape their doctor&#39;s visits?

then again... he IS a lawyer... whose in-law just HAPPENS to work with TB... anyone seen "12 monkeys"??

there really should be more digging on this...

[Jeshurun]

This post came out on the wrong thread. I don&#39;t know what happened! It was supposed to go to the "Kenneth" thread.

Anyway, Talk about turning a negative into a positive. Well done, Criterion. Airtight and indisputable. Amazing how far a little logic goes. It is true that a watchman should expect this kind of reaction. Jehovah told his prophets repeatedly that their message would be met with vehemence and even violence.

The Bible teaches that the meek and unassuming will inherit the earth. The Watchtower leadership&#39;s craving for worship and power directly contradicts this.

As for these ones who slander, for every one of them I&#39;m sure there are untold numbers of people who have taken to heart and benefitted greatly from the information Robert has presented.

If these people want to defy the Watchtower by going on the internet to defend their faith, they would be using their time far more productively on the multitude of websites that are truly slandering the Witnesses with vicious falsehoods.

[billy]

thanks Jeshurun - its encouraging to be understood

Australia is having its worst drought in history - in the paper today it said May was the warmest on record - many areas in south eastern australia are on water restrictions - cant wash your car, no watering the garden, beach showers turned off, lots of arguing going on between the states leaders on manageing the water thats left and how to capture more in the future - it&#39;s been forcast food will rise by 30% - although there has been some rain in recent months and brought temporay relief in some areas the dams have not been collecting much of that - and many of the dams are seriously low - however my area isnt affected - we have plenty of water and i really like the warm sunny days

imo the lack of useable water is bad management - many forests have been cut down for cows and farming -for such a dry county this was not a good idea - people are now coming up with water efficient devices - the government is subsidising water tanks -

some people are coming up with some creative ideas-

natural sequence farming-creating pools of water along a creek or river bed with plants grown around it to prevent evaporation which holds water and feeds plants in times of drought

grey water into the garden - using lots of mulch

max whisson"s inventions for producing water-hes invented a wind turbine that collects water out of the air- and a process for taking seawater up a tube to be evaporated for its pure water into a holding tank

i&#39;ve been trying to invent some stratagies myself -

the aborigines had it right - they lived here for 1000&#39;s of years and knew how to live with the enviorment


there are so many good ideas out there - but living in a world based on capitalism and greed- the enviroment isnt very high up on their list of prioities

[billy]

Hi Cricket

I so agree with you on the lack of quality news and the repitition is so irritating - and you never know whats being reported is the whole truth anyway - or what they have left out to lead you into thinking a certain way - i&#39;ve experienced that myself - a good example is with the first bali bombing - that exploded the the two clubs - nothing was ever mentioned on the news how racist towards the indonesians the westerners were who went to these places - im not saying that justifys the islamic terrorists actions but i understand why they picked those places - the other thing interesting thing is the majority of the balinese are hindus and the rest of indonesian are moslem - but they didnt explain much of that on the news either

even to understand what was going on in iraq and iran - i did alot of research and discoverd there are two major sects of moslem = shiate and sunni and that helped me to understands alot more about the situation - but the news dosnt give much of these types of details

Hi Jeshurun you said:

If these people want to defy the Watchtower by going on the internet to defend their faith, they would be using their time far more productively on the multitude of websites that are truly slandering the Witnesses with vicious falsehoods

its interesting you say that because there are many sites where subjects can be discussed openly but they are very rude and to others and to Jehovah - then you get discussion groups where you cant be honest in your opinions even if done in respectful way - this site has the right ingredients imo -

love Jehovah - ourselves - our neighbor - we will walk the true path :buja_w_oblokach:

[Jeshurun]

Yes, Billy, I&#39;ve also been to lots of DB&#39;s because sometimes things here are a little quiet, being that we have a very small group but I think we are going to be growing fast as Watchman starts gaining more credibility with the masses out there as events begin to unfold. Plus I think the Watchtower will be dropping frequent bombs in the days ahead. A good place to add to your favorites if you don&#39;t already have it is Lyndon LaRouche&#39;s Executive Intelligence Review website to keep an eye on developments within the oligarchy. The articles are very well researched and enlightening.

Some of these boards are just blatantly blaspheming Jehovah, and I see a number of ex-JW&#39;s who have really turned against him. Yet in the midst of these same people there are others who would fit right in on this board in many respects. I cannot post honest opinions there without getting caught up in long winded arguments.

Just google while ya can, &#39;cause the info won&#39;t be this available for too much longer.

Sometimes those other DB&#39;s are a real source of good things and encouragement. Last night I was in a conversation about whether we should be looking into Freemasonry to see what big brother is up to. Brother Gogh over at Paradise Cafe reminded me that Jesus himself taught us that there would be a conspiracy in the last days, taking place all around us, and VERY FEW PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE. He also said that the one NOT LOOKING INTO THESE THINGS would not be able to DISCERN THE HOUR OF THEIR INSPECTION.
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39</sup> However, some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to him: "Teacher, rebuke your disciples." ⁴⁰ But in reply he said: "I tell YOU, If these remained silent, the stones would cry out."

<span style="font-family:Verdana">Agape
Lou

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[billy]

thanks for the link - the first article i have read is about nuclear power plants - now i understand why john howard - our prime minister- is so gun ho on developing more nuclear power plants - all the states governmnets are rejecting the idea but howard is just pushing it along - and having the largest reserves of uranium in the world at the moment i can see why he thinkns its good for the"economy" - its the oil issue all over again - most people in australia are more into the idea of alternative energy sources - but the govenments just do what they want- it&#39;s like they are detached from their people - imagine the cargo ships sailing around the oceans with all this uranium-and then the accidents and leakeage into the enviorment - scary stuff! :icon_neutral: