The Positive Things In The Watchtower

[Kenneth]

The positive things in the Watchtower

I want to start this thread to attempt to readdress the balance. I wonder how many of the public read comments here and on other sites and are put off JWs period. I have decided to stop making negative comments about what's going on in the Watchtower and focus on the positive. It may mean I post less, but I believe that the Watchtower deserves a fare crack of the whip. This is not to dismiss the underlining issues that we are all to aware of. I remember that someone wrote some time back saying 'Let the anointed judge the anointed'. So I will leave that to Robert King and other such ones. Robert is aware that I and others are fully behind him all the way.

In the past few years I have been psychologically hung, drawn and quartered by the Watchtower and still my hurt goes on. However, I think about David when he had the opportunity to kill Saul but chose not to because he was an anointed one of God. For me there is a parallel in this. Jehovah has given his spirit to the anointed today, whether they are of the faithful or the evil slave is neither here nor there, they still partake of the emblems. So I will leave the judging between them and God, as in Jehovah's time they will render an account to him based on the way they have treaded Christ sheep.

Much of what I say is of my own opinion and a personal choice. I am going to start several threads in the meeting section, one for each. All we need to do is study the material and make a contribution. We don't have to reproduce the material just the things we found that are beneficial to us and others. Watchman is running a blog on the revelation book so perhaps best leave that one to him. Even though as I have stated this is my opinion, but I have had enough of all this negativity over the Watchtower, this is still Jehovah's organisation and I will continue to respect, and treat it as such.

[SWORDOFJAH]

True. Mostly the brothers and sisters are teaching people to get rid of practices that displeases God,and show them the way to worship the Almighty.Many of them will uplift your faith in Jehovah. There are many other good things to continue,mostly the proclaiming of God's kingdom as the real solution to mankind problems and most of all we all are interested in santifying the name of the Almighty Jehovah.No nobody does it better....

[eyes&ears]

OKEY DOKEY, I KNOW WE ALL GO OFF THE DEEP END FROM TIME TO TIME, AND YOU ARE CORRECT WE DO NOT KNOW WHO IS LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BE REFRESHED. HOLD ON TIGHT. :)

Thanks for the reminder. I try to check myself, but I go off the deep end also.

We need these little spiritual love smacks from time to time to remind us that Jehovah is watching and listening to us as he continues to refine us.

One thing is for sure regarding the organzation, if I was not directed to it in the first place, by Jehovah, just like I believe I was directed here I WOULD NOT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF ANY OF THE SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE NOW. So I am thankful that Jehovah found me worthy to be part of all this, and I am thankful that he has found me still worthy to know what I know now and continues to direct me.

LET US ALL KEEP HOLDING ON TIGHT OKEY DOKEY.

Love out to you all as we remember to BUILD UP ONE ANOTHER IN LOVE.


E & E


ROMANS 1:11-12

11 For I am longing to see you, that I may impart some spiritual gift to you in order for you to be made firm.

12 or, rather that there may be an INTERCHANGE OF ENCOURAGEMENT among you, by each one through the other's faith, both yours and mind.

[barry]

What I definitely like in the organisation is that we truly are a brotherhood.
I have been travelling to several places and all the time when I meet brothers/sisters all over the earth, they behave as true brothers/sisters.
Almost everywhere you go, you're not alone, you always have them around you.
Once I was visiting Jamaica with a friend. We visited the local cong and it was bookstudy. We were welcomed. It appeared there were no other brothers except the conductor due to heavy storms. So I was invited to read and close with prayer. We really felt good after this meeting. And there are several more experiences like this.

[Juan]

What I definitely like in the organisation is that we truly are a brotherhood.
I have been travelling to several places and all the time when I meet brothers/sisters all over the earth, they behave as true brothers/sisters.
Almost everywhere you go, you're not alone, you always have them around you.
Once I was visiting Jamaica with a friend. We visited the local cong and it was bookstudy. We were welcomed. It appeared there were no other brothers except the conductor due to heavy storms. So I was invited to read and close with prayer. We really felt good after this meeting. And there are several more experiences like this.[/b]

My experience mirror yours Barry. Any place I've been to, the experience is just that much better if you have JW companions than if you don't. And these days you can find witnesses just about everywhere, except North Korea, Afganishtan and Somalia.

[whoowh]

Thanks Kenneth for the reminder.

We are everyone in a lack of selfcorrection and needs to correct our way in walking with Jehova.

It would be a wery shameful for us if we make a brother or a interested to stumble because our negative views on and off.

More positive thinking and less negative, we hope we will be among those that will be proved to be rightful when the jugement comes, and it will, thats for sure.

Whoowh :buja_w_oblokach:

[Steadfast]

Dear Brother Kenneth,

Your idea of trying to do a positive Watchtower study is commendable, but highly unlikely. Most of us have 'been there-done that,' and find it most distasteful to be muzzled into submission here, especially in light of the fact that Robert has been very vocal and very public in his own criticism.

Furthermore, since Satan has also sown his weeds among the anointed wheat, at this point in time, I really wonder if any on the Governing Body have Jehovah's blessing and backing. Not one has come forward to repent of the disgusting conduct of the organization concerning the United Nations or the continued disfellowshipping of those who speak out about it and stand up for truth. Please also remember that it was Brother Barry, Governing Body member, who was signatory on the NGO application every year until he died in 1999. I don't think he did his dirty deed in secret because of the way the Governing Body functions and because the Writing Department was also involved.

As far as I am concerned, we need to keep on the watch and be a support system for those who are looking for answers to the disgusting situation we have come to see.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Eli's Foe]

Dear Brother Kenneth,

Your idea of trying to do a positive Watchtower study is commendable, but highly unlikely. Most of us have 'been there-done that,' and find it most distasteful to be muzzled into submission here, especially in light of the fact that Robert has been very vocal and very public in his own criticism.



Steadfast[/b]

I entirely agree with Steadfast. I am a brother who is not disfellowshipped or even marked. When I found this site it was the truth which attracted me, and still does. Of course there are good things in the Watchtower Magazines, and the brothers and sisters worldwide are by and large good genuine people. The annointed are not all wicked. But... and its a big but, I will not become a WTS apologist, nor will I allow myself to slip back into a frame of mind where I cannot speak out for fear of offending someone else if what is being said is the truth. If we do that we might as well stop contributing to the DB entirely. That is no doubt exactly what the WTS would like!

I would also say that none of us here are in a position to lay down rules attached to contributions to any thread other than Watchman. He as Steadfast says, has been very vocal and has asked others to write letters condemning what the GB has done in recent years, so we are all party to this. I have asked before about this subject and you, Kenneth, have been very vocal in putting down any suggestion that we should bring the truth to the brothers still caught up in the lies promoted by the WTS, now you want us to be quiet about it here too ??!!

EF

[Kenneth]

This is a duplicate of what I've stated on the thread 'Watchtower Study'

OK I get the picture. None of this was about trying to be an apologist for the Watchtower, nor sweeping anything under that carpet, we are all fully aware of the sins that they have committed. And being upbeat in the light of some of Roberts's essay I appreciate would be difficult. It was never my intention to set rules of what we can and can't say at this forum, I'm not a moderator and have no desire to be one. And yes that is exactly what is happening at out KH's there are too many gagging orders.


"Kenneth, have been very vocal in putting down any suggestion that we should bring the truth to the brothers still caught up in the lies promoted by the WTS, now you want us to be quiet about it here too ??!! "[/b]

None of this was ever about being quite, (even though I advise caution in who we speak to, my own personal experience bears that out) it was about just discussing the bible, using the Watchtower study and finding some gems that we share with each other. They could be historical or some other points of interest using the Watchtower as a base. It was never my intention to suggest we all sit here and say 'Hey wasn't that a wonderful Watchtower study, one of the best I have ever seen' as they do at the KH's. It was about just having an interchange of encouragement instead of fault finding. And yes there are plenty of faults to find.

I can see this has already caused some contention and in the interest of harmony and peace I think it's best that we let this thread run down the list and off the forum and leave it. I will still stand by what I have said and leave Robert and others to do the judging on the Watchtower though his essays. So as I stated let the thread run off the board along with the other one I posted about the Watchtower. Please accept my apologies if I have caused some upset and contention in something that I probably new in my heart would never really workout in the first place.

Kenneth

[eyes&ears]

Hi Kenneth

I did not take your encouragement to mean we cannot bring something out to discuss that was totally disgusting or wrong, Watchtower or any other publication. I did not feel you were trying to censure (Spelling) our words or be a moderator.

I took it for what it was, TRY TO BE MORE POSITIVE. I did not read anything else into it. Your suggestion to me meant to be more positive, and that was it.

Sometimes we all can go off the deep end with subjects that are fun to discuss but take up too much time. Therefore, since some of these particular subjects are waaaay over my head and of no interest to me, I just move on if I do not have anything helpful to contribute to what is being discussed, or if I do not have a new topic of interest.

Please do not stop trying to encourage us Kenneth, we need to step back from time to time to check ourselves and what we say and do. That is how I view what you suggested.

I hope we all can continue to express ourselves in love and keep our little family here together. I care deeply for each and everyone of you and I need the interchange and encouragement I find here. BOARD WISE, I do not want to go anywhere else OKEY DOKEY.

Whether we are aware of it or not we all need each other in these times. I understand that we all are in different places spiritually especially those ones who have just arrived here.

I pray we all can be patient with one another as we all are striving for understanding and to maintain our spiritual balance in these exciting, dramatic and what I refer to as very dangerous times.

STAY ON THE WATCH, MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS STAY FOCUSED. THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

JUST MY LITTLE TWO CENTS AS USUAL :rolleyes: :)

Love to all my spiritual cyber family :Love

E & E

Romans 14:19 So, then let us pursue the things making for peace and the things THAT ARE UPBUILDING TO ONE ANOTHER.

[Shibboleth]

Ditto what e&e said.

Kenneth wasn't asking that we stop discussing things that we feel is unjust. He was only asking that people contribute to saying some positive things as well.


1 Peter 4

7 (http://) But the end of all things has drawn close. Be sound in mind, therefore, and be vigilant with a view to prayers. 8 (http://) Above all things, have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins. 9 (http://) Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. 10 (http://) In proportion as each one has received a gift, use it in ministering to one another as fine stewards of God’s undeserved kindness expressed in various ways. 11 (http://) If anyone speaks, [let him speak] as it were [the] sacred pronouncements of God; if anyone ministers, [let him minister] as dependent on the strength that God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. The glory and the might are his forever and ever. Amen.[/b]

[Cephalon]

Hi Kenneth

I did not take your encouragement to mean we cannot bring something out to discuss that was totally disgusting or wrong, Watchtower or any other publication. I did not feel you were trying to censure (Spelling) our words or be a moderator.

I took it for what it was, TRY TO BE MORE POSITIVE. I did not read anything else into it. Your suggestion to me meant to be more positive, and that was it.[/b]
That's the same way I took his suggestion.

[Jeshurun]

As some of you may know, my mother is quite active in the congregation and every time I talk to her she is venting disgust at the Watchtower articles. It's not easy to glean many positives out of some of the articles, but others that deal with our basic beliefs are still very encouraging, and perhaps we can focus on these.

As far as ripping apart the bad articles, I believe that this can do no harm, as long as we keep it within Jehovah's guidelines which everyone at this forum always does. Any Witnesses that may be lurking here should be able to see that what they are being fed is not always the truth.

As we've discussed, the writing crew at Bethel blows the lid off their own ignorance themselves, saying "possibly" and "maybe" etc.

It's been 72 years since the final "sealing" according to the GB. Pretty soon the Witnesses will figure out they aren't being led by anyone but the "great crowd". They've sealed their own fate.

Kenneth I too did not take you comments in any other way than what you meant, which is obvious. I think you're just being you, which is great!

[olrono]

I would like to say something positive, I like everyone’s perspective on this topic and I want to second E & E’s comment, I don’t even visit any other JW Web Site, I go back and forth between all your comments here and I wish to think of us as a little family and appreciate your thoughts thank you!