New World Order Conspiracy

[Jeshurun]

Tuesday on "The O'Reilly Factor", on FoxNews, a brief conversation was going on about the current state of affairs in Iraq, between Bill O'Reilly, and Jon Meacham, chief editor of "Newsweek" magazine. Meacham also runs a "Christian" forum at the Washington Post. Here's what was said:

O'Reilly: So in your opinion, in spite of all the problems in Iraq, was it worth it, taking out Saddam?

Meacham: Oh yes, absolutely, no question, it had to be done.

O'Reilly: And this tyrant is no longer filling mass graves and running rape and torture rooms because of whom?.....Who do we have to thank?

Meacham: Oh, well, um...George Bush.

O'Reilly: And yet he is vilified by the public and the press every day.

Meacham: Yes he is, but we must remember what our Lord Jesus said: "To whom much is given, much will be expected from him."

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A cold chill, a vibration shuddered through my body. I felt blood rushing to my head. My newly honed senses told me that there was a conspiracy some time ago, but now here it was coming into my living room. It was time to do some research.

Our current president, his father, his grandfather, John Kerry, and former president William H. Taft, along with a large percentage of his cabinet, administration, and in fact, the entire US Government all have something in common. Aside from that, almost every prominent position, whether it be in the corporate world, banking, journalism, and every upper echelon of society, can all trace their heritage back to one tiny, dreadful, gothic stone building on the campus of Yale University. It's known as "The Tomb", and it's home to the most powerful secret society on earth, "Skull and Bones". No one is allowed to enter the Tomb except new initiates, Bonesmen, and of course, the resident prostitute. Deep inside the tomb's vault are located stolen skulls of legendary people, and a set of Hitler's dinnerware.

Skull and Bones was founded by one William Russell, in 1832. If anyone has any information about his possible relationship to C. T. Russell, please let me know.

"Bonesmen" are sworn to secrecy, of course. They cannot even speak to their wives about it, aside from the fact that they admittedly hate women, and do not allow them into the Society. That is, not up until 1991, after many attempts by newer members, but now women are admitted. (One of the signs that Satan has let up his tentacles a bit, as it seems he may already have all the graduates he needs.) But they are sworn by oath, after passing rigorous "soul-baring" tests, to put the "secret" before all else, that includes friends, family, self, and God. Not to go into gory details, it is very reminiscent of Freemason ritual. But Bonesmen worship the goddess Eulogia, who supposedly rose up from the ashes of a Greek orator who died in 322 BC, and she comes before all else. By the way, 322 is their favorite number, and is most likely the code one needs to light up their nuclear arsenal.

The most amazing thing is, the society only admits 15 juniors each year, and after initiation, are "knighted". There are only 800 living members, and yet, they have permeated and dominate every area of power, and make up a large percentage of the Secret Service, FBI, and CIA. The reason for this? They are handed jobs by fellow Bonesmen, such as George Bush, because they are so good at keeping secrets, and because this is part of the brotherly oath. The society plans on getting its members into positions of high power, and this of course opens up the opportunity for others, without, of course, having to compete fairly for these positions

On top of this just about every person who is somebody, all the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, the Kennedy's, are part of another secret cult: Bohemian Grove, a sprawling occult retreat in Sonoma, CA. Here they worship owls, among other things, and offer human sacrifices on an altar. Of course, prostitutes abound, and one can find every vice there. It is all about devil worship, and self-indulgence.

But on the surface, these people are running around pretending to be "Christian", preaching kindness, compassion, justice and all that. Meacham's comment was a wake-up call, that obviously George Bush and friends think they have a messianic commission (remind anyone of the "Third Reich"?), and obviously feel they are endowed with the responsibilities of the "faithful and discreet slave". I wonder if they consider launching missiles as dishing out "food at the proper time".

The point is, Satan has a plan, a conspiracy that he started on long ago, to deceive the world. We have known this, but now the world is starting to catch on. For anyone who is interested, there is a vast database of underground information readily available at websites like Prisonplanet.com.

[Steadfast]

Dear Jesh,

This topic is so important to understanding the outworking of Satan's 'Plan.' I hope the administration will give some direction about what kinds of links are permitted on the forum as I have some dandies! lol

Love,

Steadfast

[Terra Nova]

Hi Jesuhrum: You're forgetting that John Edwards is running for president too, and some experts believe he has already been chosen by Rockefeller to be the next US President. Many people see a lot of similarities between him and Clinton, since he is young and good looking; just as Clinton was when he was chosen. One interesting thing that I found out the other day is that the nickname of George Bush I within the Order is Magog; there also seems to be a relationship between Russell the founder of the Order and Charless Russell, the founder of the Watchtower Society; they were cousins. Also, it looks like Russell was not as rich as we've been told he was when he was 24 years old; and it also looks like he died being a very wealthy man. We have never been told about the friendship between Charless Russell and Lord Rothschild.

[watchman]

Saddam killed tens of thousands of Iraqis. Bush is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands. It is like the insanity of the Vietnam War when the US said it had to destroy entire villages to save them from the communists. Ask the Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam then now and the answer is yes. The main problem is that the American people are some of the stupidest people on the planet.

[Kenneth]

For decades driven by the sceptre of communism American ideology has been responsible for the bloodshed and buttery of millions of innocent people owing to it foreign policy. American imperialism has move swiftly to destroy any suggestion of socialist values, even to the extent of lending support to Neo-Fascists. In the 1960s the US government propagandists encouraged the American people to believe that United States involvement in Vietnam was all in the name of humanity, A kind of 'Our Boy's are risking their lives'. However, for the past Sixty years the US have done all that is conceivably possible to convince its citizens there is a worldwide conspiracy theory out there, freedom has to be protected at all cost, communism is an evil, and the world would be better off without it. Perhaps the world would be better off without the lot of them.

Kenneth
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"Every man who really loves America will act and speak in the true spirit of neutrality, which is the spirit of impartiality and fairness and friendliness to all concerned"

[Nambo]

Now such is the friendship of our glorious leader, 33% Mason Tony Blair with your president, that his son has been honoured with a place at Yale http://www.boston.com/news/local/connectic...on.com+%2F+News (http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/06/06/tony_blairs_son_to_attend_yale/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News)
Quite a placing for the son of a member of the Labour party who should by rights attend a state sponsored school, especially since Tony has declared that he wants all children to have the same equal oppurtunity so he wants to get rid of Grammer schools, which take in the more intelligent children, and only leave comprehensive schools which turn the less intelligent into mindless morons. Hve you ever heard the phrase, "dumbing down"?

So wonder if Tonys lad will be invited to join the skull and bones?
Interestingly, these are the bones of Geronimo and where stolen from his grave, Geronimos family want the bones back.

Showing that this isnt all just a conspiracy theory to be belived by cranks, quite recently in the House of Commons, Norman Baker MP asked Tony Blair if he had ever attended a Bilderberg meeting, of course Tony lied "No" even though it is well documented he attended just before he "shot to power" in the Labour party.
Such a thing is of concern to Norman Baker as a Prime Minister who should be holding the British peoples concerns first and foremost, will be serving the Worlds Elite first and foremost if a Bilderberg.

The House of Lords as well want all Polititions to declare if they are Bilderbergs.
Quite strange as there is an area of that end of the building where terms like Bilderberg and Commitee of 300 are quite oft to be heard and even boasted of once the alcohol flows.

As Bush claims to be a Christian we can attribute more "blood of the Earth" to be spilt by Babylon the Great, but dont forget, no way is Bush a Christian, he is a Lucifarian, and whats more, America is the soldier puppet of Zionism and the Illuminati, said to be responsible for all wars since the French revolution including the vast shedding of Russian Christian blood by "Communism".

Interesting how Bushs grandfather is credited with the funding of Adolf Hitler.

Who really does have the most blood on thier hands?

[Kenneth]

Now such is the friendship of our glorious leader, 33% Mason Tony Blair with your president, that his son has been honoured with a place at Yale http://www.boston.com/news/local/connectic...on.com+%2F+News (http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/06/06/tony_blairs_son_to_attend_yale/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News)
Quite a placing for the son of a member of the Labour party who should by rights attend a state sponsored school, especially since Tony has declared that he wants all children to have the same equal oppurtunity so he wants to get rid of Grammer schools, which take in the more intelligent children, and only leave comprehensive schools which turn the less intelligent into mindless morons. Hve you ever heard the phrase, "dumbing down"?[/b]



One of Blair's babes in 97 was the 'Third Way' that was to shower equality on the children of the county. However, the Third Way was just idealistic talk that don't work in practice. Think about it if a prince and pauper are born on the same day will wealth favor one and poverty the other. If for example we consider two families, both with the average 2.4 children, family A and family B . Both live a stone throw from each other on opposite sides of the road. Family A live on the boundary of a private estate, and family B on the boundary of a counsel estate, the only thing dividing them is the road. The parents in family A are both professionals in their respective careers and are interested that their children achieve high grade in school and have a university education. Even though both children on both sides of the road attended the same school, are their education opportunities the same. Family (a) have a considerable of amount of money in comparison to family B and can afford to invest in their children's education. Thus they can provide extra curricula activities such as additional tuition, send them to private clubs, i.e. horse riding, and taking to them to foreign parts encouring them to lean new languages thus indulgencing them in a diversity cultures. They save for their children's fees to attend university, thus the children leave with out any debt giving them a good start in life. Family B on the other hand even though they love their children equally have no such luxuries. There are two scenarios that could be considered, one the parent's show little interest in the children's education, or are interested but in no way can provide the same opportunities as the children of family (a). Even if the child are academically bright and make it to higher education the chances are they will leave with thousands of pounds in debt due to university fees. Consequently the children of family B suffer discrimination. A slogan use by Tony Blair in the 1997 general election was 'Education, Education, Education' however, if the 'Third Way' is to readdress the balance of inequality in education there has to be a level playing field for all. Otherwise can the Third Way really be called one that is really promoting equality among all. Rather if the trend continues it could be argued, the 'Third Way' even though said to encourage equality, instead promotes elitism within society. They only way to rid ourselves of the corruption and mentality is to make our stand now for Jehovah and his kingdom, in the new system children will be taught by loving parent that will have their best interests at heart as we rid ourselves of the corruption of sate schooling and the so-called elites who want nothing but to keep a good man down.

kenneth
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We need a president who's fluent in at least one language

[Nambo]

Hi Kenneth, I think I know what you are getting at, what I was getting at though was if Tony wants a level playing field, instead of getting rid of the Grammer schools that provided much better education, why not keep the grammer schools and get rid of the comprehensives?

Me-thinks that Tony wants us all to live on the council house side of the street, widening even further the gap between the ruling elite and the "Useless Eater" class.

Dont judge them by thier words but by the results of thier actions.

[Jeshurun]

I know that there are others here (like you Nambo) who already seem to have discovered all the dark "secrets" of the secret societies, but I'm still a neophyte when it comes to all this and right now I'm taking it all in like a thirsty sponge. On top of that, when books or movies are released in this world that have anything to do with God or Christ, my tendency is to ignore it for the simple reason that they are usually ridiculous interpretations that ultimately blaspheme one or both of them. A case in point, "The Da Vinci Code". I have heard some chatter about it, but I think I should have paid more attention. The last few days, I've been on a mission to uncrack the topmost "secret" of the Illuminati.

The Illuminati found it's origins in the mid 18th century in Bavaria (yeah, that enchanting land in the south of Germany with all the ancient castles that I always wanted to visit, but now I've scratched that idea). However, the Illuminati are just another branch of Freemasonry, which can find its heritage all the way back in ancient Babylon. So, Satan has transported the deepest, darkest concepts of his ancient religion of Nimrod right up to the modern day Antichrist.

The structure of Freemasonry is a pyramid, or can also be described as a point within a circle. The point, or the top of the pyramid, represents the "elect", or "adepts" of the society, who have a completely different agenda from everyone else below them, or outside of them. The "worker bees" underneath are merely just a bunch of pawns running around as "born-agains" or whatever, as a front for the inner workings of the religious "mafia" at the core.

Along the same concept would be the secret society of "Skull and Bones", that exclusive club spoken about earlier in this thread. After many more hours of researching, here is how far I've gotten in finding the "secret" of the Bonesmen:

The belief, or the lie, as I'm not sure what it is from their standpoint, is that Jesus had a secret love affair with Mary Magdalene, and produced a child. The ensuing bloodline of that child has been the guarded secret of secret societies passed down through the generations. According to them, this would make him ineligible to recieve the Kingdom of God, defaulting to the Antichrist. However, I believe that some know that this is a lie, and merely use the lie to promulgate the destruction of the planet during the final showdown. In any event, the series of events that will lead to the deployment of the counterfeit kingdom, headed by the "Grand Architect of the Universe", has all been well-plotted and orchestrated.

[Nambo]

I know that there are others here (like you Nambo) who already seem to have discovered all the dark "secrets" of the secret societies, but I'm still a neophyte when it comes to all this and right now I'm taking it all in like a thirsty sponge. On top of that, when books or movies are released in this world that have anything to do with God or Christ, my tendency is to ignore it for the simple reason that they are usually ridiculous interpretations that ultimately blaspheme one or both of them. A case in point, "The Da Vinci Code". I have heard some chatter about it, but I think I should have paid more attention. The last few days, I've been on a mission to uncrack the topmost "secret" of the Illuminati.

The Illuminati found it's origins in the mid 18th century in Bavaria (yeah, that enchanting land in the south of Germany with all the ancient castles that I always wanted to visit, but now I've scratched that idea). However, the Illuminati are just another branch of Freemasonry, which can find its heritage all the way back in ancient Babylon. So, Satan has transported the deepest, darkest concepts of his ancient religion of Nimrod right up to the modern day Antichrist.

The structure of Freemasonry is a pyramid, or can also be described as a point within a circle. The point, or the top of the pyramid, represents the "elect", or "adepts" of the society, who have a completely different agenda from everyone else below them, or outside of them. The "worker bees" underneath are merely just a bunch of pawns running around as "born-agains" or whatever, as a front for the inner workings of the religious "mafia" at the core.

Along the same concept would be the secret society of "Skull and Bones", that exclusive club spoken about earlier in this thread. After many more hours of researching, here is how far I've gotten in finding the "secret" of the Bonesmen:

The belief, or the lie, as I'm not sure what it is from their standpoint, is that Jesus had a secret love affair with Mary Magdalene, and produced a child. The ensuing bloodline of that child has been the guarded secret of secret societies passed down through the generations. According to them, this would make him ineligible to recieve the Kingdom of God, defaulting to the Antichrist. However, I believe that some know that this is a lie, and merely use the lie to promulgate the destruction of the planet during the final showdown. In any event, the series of events that will lead to the deployment of the counterfeit kingdom, headed by the "Grand Architect of the Universe", has all been well-plotted and orchestrated.

In the event that Bush is not able to generate enough calamity to cancel the 2008 elections, the next Mason due up for the Presidency seems to be John Edwards, as he has been very active in Bilderberg and Mason meetings. If they set up Kerry as his running mate, that would make for a Mason/Bonesman ticket, finally supplanting the Bush crime family from the Whitehouse.

As far as their pleasure resort at Bohemian Grove, the great stone owl that they offer human sacrifices to represents the ancient god Molech, and there are some entertaining stories out there about how some people have tried to take up arms and raid the place after hearing of the bizarre goings-on inside.[/b]

Yeah, you can see how Hollywood is giving us the mindset to expect who ever they set up as the Anti-Christ.

There is so much stuff out there though Jeshurun, and a lot of it will be mis-information, such as David Icke claiming the Royal Family are Lizards.
Best to look at the whole picture and see what still fits in with what you allready know about the world from the Bible.
Youve got the majestic 12 stuff where we are lead to belive the Government really "knows" about UFOS and that they are trying to hide it from us, yeah right, funny how they come all this way and then keep crashing, and then there is allways some inside whistle-blower who leaks out just enough to keep us "believing". I think the HAARP you mentioned has something to do with making images apear in the sky in order to decieve us.

As for whos behind all this, there seems to be the choice of the Illuminati, or Zionists or even Jesuits, I say follow the money, its probably all one and the same thing.
Illuminati is probably now just a generic term to discribe this bunch used by the conspiricy buffs, the only terms I have heard them use for themselves are of course the Bilderbergs and Commitee of 300, you might what to look that up.

As for the next President, its rumoured that Hillary Clinton would make a faithfull puppet, presuming of course Bush doesnt make use of the Law he made that another 911 creates a national emergency which would allow him to permanantly remain as President.

I think they want somebody crazy like Bush so they can blame the wars and chaos they create on him, so that they will look good when they "save" us all from him with thier NWO

[Shibboleth]

As for the next President, its rumoured that Hillary Clinton would make a faithfull puppet, presuming of course Bush doesnt make use of the Law he made that another 911 creates a national emergency which would allow him to permanantly remain as President.[/b]

That is one law that scares the living crap out of me. From the day I heard of it and how the sheep are so blinded by this snake oil salesman's words. It is pretty funny how the COnstitution seems to work for all the politicians and leaves all the common people hanging out to dry. People even get their land taken away by greedy commercialism and it isn't stopped because the rich beureaucrats use clauses in the Constitution to say they have a right to it.

Bush is such a power hungry crazed fanatic it wouldn't surprise me if he starts something huge so he can stay in power. that's how dictators and tyrants are made.

Regards,

Shibboleth

[Jeshurun]

I was just reading an article called "Skeletons in the White House" at conspiracyarchive.com.

Here's a very interesting paragraph:

Beneath the facade of the government "for, by, and of the people," slinks a sinister slew of skeletons. "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes," warns Justice of the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter (1939-62). President Roosevelt wrote, " The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson," February 23, 1954 (Blase, par. 9). A clip from a Senator William Jenner speech: "Outwardly, we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded" (Blase, par. 10). Historical scandal writes a sinister, hypocritical plot, composed by the hands of rebellious Europeans and the global underground subculture.

It's no longer conspiracy theories. This is documented evidence of conspiracy, and ignoring statements such as these is just pure denial. History is pretty conclusive evidence. When one considers that the UN is actually a recreation of the structure of ancient Babylon, it's a conspiracy that goes back more than 4 millennia.

[Jeshurun]

I'd like to resurrect this thread a bit, and expand on Nambo's point about how similar the UN structure is to the ancient civilization that was thrown into confusion by Jehovah at the Tower of Babel. Just last week I read an article written by Terry Melanson, at conspiracyarchive.com, updated May 2, 2005, titled "New World Order or Occult Secret Destiny?" Here are the first few paragraphs:


The New World Order as envisioned by the Elite is hardly a recent undertaking. Theirs is a philosophy rooted in ancient occult traditions. Success is near, and the infiltration of society by New Age occultism is the reason for this success. The New World Order has never been solely about world government, rather, from the beginning its proponents have been privy to secret doctrines and it is a spiritual plan more than anything. If one failed to take into account the occult nature of the New World Order, they would be remiss. The UN and the New Age have been bed-fellows since the beginning. America's secret destiny is the product of Rosicrucian and Freemason forefathers. The New Atlantis (http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/phil/epistemology/TheNewAtlantis/toc.html) as proposed in Francis Bacon's work is almost at hand. The Ancient Mysteries are being studied for illumination and enlightenment by the New World Order's elite. Not to mention the New Age gurus — dutifully recruiting on behalf of the Secret Brotherhood.

In 1980, Marylin Ferguson compiled and espoused a synthesis involving the theories of transformation and the secret plan of the Aquarian Age. In her studies of the scientific advancements of this age involving entropy and syntropy, holism, holographs, paradigm shifts, the uncertainty principle and evolution, she discovered that, "for the first time an American renaissance is taking place in all disciplines, breaking the boundaries between them, transforming them at their farthest reaches—where they all converge." (The Aquarian Conspiracy (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312904185/ref=ase_conspiracyarc-20/104-8924776-1297547?v=glance&s=books), p.12)

Speaking of the networks and web of influence, Ferguson proclaimed: "There are legions of conspirators... in corporations, universities, hospitals, on the faculties of public schools, in factories, in doctors' offices, in state and federal agencies, on city councils and the White House staff, in state organizations, in virtually all arenas of policy making in the country [U.S.]...[including] at the cabinet level of the United States Government." (ibid. p.24) However, other New Age proponents said that this is innacurate, in that she had understated the influence of the New Age worldwide, especially in the UN and the EEC.

It is no coincidence that America has become the center of New Age and New World Order conspiracies. The Theosophical and Rosicrucian traditions hold that every nation has a spiritual destiny guided by a hierarchy of beings using all ethical (or un-ethical) means of manifesting the "divine plan" through the will of the nation's leaders.

So it would seem that Nambo's thought about the harlot steering the beast might have something to it more than what we've known?

Do you think maybe Jehovah confuses their languages again? Wouldn't that be funny?

[Kenneth]

Not sure if any saw the spy programme Monday evening on BBC 2 of the double agent who spied for the CIA. Even though I have put a question mark over the programme as to where it was coming form as the CIA was not that successful in the field of espionage, in fact they only manage to get a few low ranking moles into Russia.

But what is interesting about the period is the amount of Americans who gave atomic secretes away to the Soviets on how to implode the bomb. Their reasoning was down to that fact that if the US had the bomb there would be an imbalance of power. Some and even though it wasn't brought out in the programme believed that if the USA had all the power there would be a rapid Nazification of the United States. So as theories go the cold war was there for a purpose to stop it from happening. However, now we see an end to a bipolar world so we are beginning to see the Nazification of America. It all very worrying.

http://e-watchman.co.uk/blog/index.php?p=2...p;tb=1&pb=1 (http://e-watchman.co.uk/blog/index.php?p=29&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1)

Kenneth

<span style="color:#0000ff">"The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich."</span> :icon_evil:

</span><span style="color:#0000ff">-John Loftus,

[Nambo]

Something you may be interested to reasearch Jesurun, I cannot remember where I got it from, theres a New Age invocation thats been translated to about 50 langueges and that has been written in a way that doesnt seem wrong for Christians to join in with, that is in actuality a sort of Lords Prayer to Satan.

Apparently this New Age invocation is oft used at the opening of UN meetings.

[Jeshurun]

Something you may be interested to reasearch Jesurun, I cannot remember where I got it from, theres a New Age invocation thats been translated to about 50 langueges and that has been written in a way that doesnt seem wrong for Christians to join in with, that is in actuality a sort of Lords Prayer to Satan.

Apparently this New Age invocation is oft used at the opening of UN meetings.[/b]

Here it is:

The Great Invocation
A MANTRAM FOR THE NEW AGE AND FOR ALL HUMANITY

From the point of Light within the Mind of God
Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
Let Light descend on Earth.


From the point of Love within the Heart of God
Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
May Christ return to Earth.


From the centre where the Will of God is known
Let purpose guide the little wills of men –
The purpose which the Masters know and serve.


From the centre which we call the race of men
Let the Plan of Love and Light work out
And may it seal the door where evil dwells.


Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.


<span style="color:#000000">Now here&#39;s the translation:
Light = Luciferian Enlightenment
God = Satan
stream forth = overshadow
love = various forms of Scripturally defined evil or, generally hatred.
Christ = Antichrist
little wills of men = the claimed unintelligent, weak and inferior desires of individuals; especially those that follow conservative Judeo-Christian doctrine.
purpose = to prepare for the appearance of the Antichrist
Masters = demons or demon controlled individuals.
race of men = "humanity" as ruled by Lucifer plan = complete domination in preparation for and after the appearance of the Antichrist.
seal the door where evil dwells = violent, if necessary, eradication of those that follow Judaism, conservative Christianity, some liberal Christianity, and other similar orthodox religions. [note: this is so because of the "separativeness" of these religious views. Djwhal Khul calls this evil, and that it must be eradicated for the Hierarchy&#39;s plans of the New Age-New World Religion to proceed. In multiple passages DK identifies the Jews and Christians as the spirit of separativeness, i.e., John 14:6, and Exodus 20:3] power = often hideous and actual destructive forces.
This is fun!!!
:clap: :deal: </span>

[olrono]

Boy, I have been missing out on a lot of “good stuff”, had to work overtime again! Maybe Saturday I’ll chime on in!!! You all have to read Bro. Watchman’s “King of the North” Essays, in my estimation, they are right on!

[Jeshurun]

It seems that even the "collapse" of the Soviet Union was a staged event. Here&#39;s an excerpt from an article written by Paul And Philip Collins, Dec. 6, 2006:


When former FSB lieutenant Alexander Litvinenko died from deliberate radiation poisoning on November 23, 2006, it came as little surprise that many accusatory fingers were pointing at the Kremlin. Litvinenko&#39;s revelations concerning the FSB and Putin had earned him many enemies amongst the Russian elites. Deputy Chairman of the Russian parliament&#39;s security committee, Viktor Ilyukhin, probably hit the nail on the head when he stated: <blockquote>"That former KGB officer [Litvinenko] had been irritating the Russian authorities for a long time and possibly knew some state secrets. So when our special services got the chance to operate not only inside but outside the country, they decided to get rid of him." (No pagination)

</blockquote>It comes as little surprise that Litvinenko&#39;s allegations would create so much "irritation" for the Russian authorities. They suggest that the "fall of communism" was one of the greatest deceptions of the last century. All of the Russian "liberalization" initiatives seem to have been mere cosmetic alterations with no sincerity behind them at all. This move has been quite effective. It has caused the Western elite (which are just as criminal and conspiratorial as the Russian elite) to believe that Russia had ceased to be a major competitor in the crusade to establish a New World Order. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the Russian elite continued building a dictatorial system. That system has eschewed the hammer and sickle, but has embodied all of the principles of those symbols. Litvinenko&#39;s friend, Alex Goldfarb, seemed to be implying just such a contention while on Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees. Goldfarb stated:

<blockquote>And it is very important that the west recognizes before it is too late. This country is drifting into a kind of a police state which will become a threat to the world. And if we fail to recognize it now, it will be to our own peril. And this is probably one of the last wake-up calls. (No pagination)

</blockquote>If Litvinenko&#39;s words are, as Goldfarb suggested, the last wake-up call, then the words of KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn can be considered one of the first.

There&#39;s much more evidence in the article, if anyone is interested please PM me and I will provide a link.

Lou

[Nambo]

Expected to take over from Tony Blair, Gordon Brown is allready marching down that road that nobody except the Elite want to go, http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/other/disp...1130046.0.0.php (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/other/display.var.1130046.0.0.php)

Do you recall anybody voting for this man to lead Britain?, and to give Britains authority to the wild beast?

[Sketch]

I certainly didn&#39;t vote for him.... anyone who puts mayonaise on their fries definately has issues....

[olrono]

It seems that even the "collapse" of the Soviet Union was a staged event. Here&#39;s an excerpt from an article written by Paul And Philip Collins, Dec. 6, 2006:


When former FSB lieutenant Alexander Litvinenko died from deliberate radiation poisoning on November 23, 2006, it came as little surprise that many accusatory fingers were pointing at the Kremlin. Litvinenko&#39;s revelations concerning the FSB and Putin had earned him many enemies amongst the Russian elites. Deputy Chairman of the Russian parliament&#39;s security committee, Viktor Ilyukhin, probably hit the nail on the head when he stated: <blockquote>"That former KGB officer [Litvinenko] had been irritating the Russian authorities for a long time and possibly knew some state secrets. So when our special services got the chance to operate not only inside but outside the country, they decided to get rid of him." (No pagination)

</blockquote>It comes as little surprise that Litvinenko&#39;s allegations would create so much "irritation" for the Russian authorities. They suggest that the "fall of communism" was one of the greatest deceptions of the last century. All of the Russian "liberalization" initiatives seem to have been mere cosmetic alterations with no sincerity behind them at all. This move has been quite effective. It has caused the Western elite (which are just as criminal and conspiratorial as the Russian elite) to believe that Russia had ceased to be a major competitor in the crusade to establish a New World Order. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the Russian elite continued building a dictatorial system. That system has eschewed the hammer and sickle, but has embodied all of the principles of those symbols. Litvinenko&#39;s friend, Alex Goldfarb, seemed to be implying just such a contention while on Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees. Goldfarb stated:

<blockquote>And it is very important that the west recognizes before it is too late. This country is drifting into a kind of a police state which will become a threat to the world. And if we fail to recognize it now, it will be to our own peril. And this is probably one of the last wake-up calls. (No pagination)

</blockquote>If Litvinenko&#39;s words are, as Goldfarb suggested, the last wake-up call, then the words of KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn can be considered one of the first.

There&#39;s much more evidence in the article, if anyone is interested please PM me and I will provide a link.

Lou[/b]This is just the thought I wanted to ask Bro. Watchman about; for in most of his essays he mentions the U.S. as the greatest military power. From all of my sources, Russia and China far surpass anything the U.S. can muster today, as I understand it, the U.S. even underwrote them!? Calling Brother Watchman….. Come in please!

[Jinnvisible]

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aLI_mF.7wjXY&refer=india</a>

[olrono]

I&#39;d like to resurrect this thread a bit, and expand on Nambo&#39;s point about how similar the UN structure is to the ancient civilization that was thrown into confusion by Jehovah at the Tower of Babel. Just last week I read an article written by Terry Melanson, at conspiracyarchive.com, updated May 2, 2005, titled "New World Order or Occult Secret Destiny?" Here are the first few paragraphs:


The New World Order as envisioned by the Elite is hardly a recent undertaking. Theirs is a philosophy rooted in ancient occult traditions. Success is near, and the infiltration of society by New Age occultism is the reason for this success. The New World Order has never been solely about world government, rather, from the beginning its proponents have been privy to secret doctrines and it is a spiritual plan more than anything. If one failed to take into account the occult nature of the New World Order, they would be remiss. The UN and the New Age have been bed-fellows since the beginning. America&#39;s secret destiny is the product of Rosicrucian and Freemason forefathers. The New Atlantis (http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/phil/epistemology/TheNewAtlantis/toc.html) as proposed in Francis Bacon&#39;s work is almost at hand. The Ancient Mysteries are being studied for illumination and enlightenment by the New World Order&#39;s elite. Not to mention the New Age gurus — dutifully recruiting on behalf of the Secret Brotherhood.

In 1980, Marylin Ferguson compiled and espoused a synthesis involving the theories of transformation and the secret plan of the Aquarian Age. In her studies of the scientific advancements of this age involving entropy and syntropy, holism, holographs, paradigm shifts, the uncertainty principle and evolution, she discovered that, "for the first time an American renaissance is taking place in all disciplines, breaking the boundaries between them, transforming them at their farthest reaches—where they all converge." (The Aquarian Conspiracy (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312904185/ref=ase_conspiracyarc-20/104-8924776-1297547?v=glance&s=books), p.12)

Speaking of the networks and web of influence, Ferguson proclaimed: "There are legions of conspirators... in corporations, universities, hospitals, on the faculties of public schools, in factories, in doctors&#39; offices, in state and federal agencies, on city councils and the White House staff, in state organizations, in virtually all arenas of policy making in the country [U.S.]...[including] at the cabinet level of the United States Government." (ibid. p.24) However, other New Age proponents said that this is innacurate, in that she had understated the influence of the New Age worldwide, especially in the UN and the EEC.

It is no coincidence that America has become the center of New Age and New World Order conspiracies. The Theosophical and Rosicrucian traditions hold that every nation has a spiritual destiny guided by a hierarchy of beings using all ethical (or un-ethical) means of manifesting the "divine plan" through the will of the nation&#39;s leaders.

So it would seem that Nambo&#39;s thought about the harlot steering the beast might have something to it more than what we&#39;ve known?

Do you think maybe Jehovah confuses their languages again? Wouldn&#39;t that be funny?
[/b]I remember there was a retired Phoenix Arizona policeman, named Jack Mc Lamb. He discovered a picture of some inside propaganda posters that the UN produced, that depicted a re-building of the &#39;Tower of Babel&#39;,I talked with him about getting a copy, but sorry to say, I never followed through. Anyway, it showed to me of insider information, that they really know what they are doing, going against Jehovah God!.

[Jeshurun]

<div class='quotemain'>6[/b]</sup> And in those days the men will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will desire to die but death keeps fleeing from them.


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How sad for them. If they only could have appreciated what their Creator gave them.

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>I have a book out in the garage, by “Manley P. Hall” (very high degree 33thd I don’t remember?) called “Reincarnation”. See, they believe they die now, in their process of a New Order, they think they come around again!</span>

[Jeshurun]

Calling Brother Watchman….. Come in please![/b]

I think you&#39;ve been on the road too much, bro. :186:

[Sketch]

Thank goodness the gov&#39;t is watching over us....

"According to a summary released by the U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command, the HAA can watch over a circle of countryside 600 miles in diameter. That&#39;s everything between Toledo and New York City. And they want to build 11. With high-res cameras, that could mean constant surveillance of every square inch of American soil. "If you had a fleet of them, this could be used for border surveillance," suggests Dunlap."

Now THAT&#39;s good border surveillance... sealing the border with national guard would be too simple anyway...

If you want the link (its on athens news website , athens, OH) let me know and I can send it to you.

[Cricket]

The thing I can not fathom is who is going to watch/screen 350,000,000 people or the entire country? Supercomputers? Fear of the chance of being caught?

Well... maybe we can call up Homeland Security if we can&#39;t find our car in the parking lot, eh? :dontknow:

[clay]

Well,
I gotta tell you, DBoarders, I am getting the ride of my life following all your comments, most fascinating information. The detail is interesting, but the Plan itself, its stages of being implemented and carried out are nothing short of masterful. Guess wouldn&#39;t expect anything less from the Ruler of the World, huh? Appreciate your perspectives, research, time. Realize how much I don&#39;t know. Suggestions welcome on where to start. I&#39;m thankful for the freedom here. Keep it up!

clay

[Jeshurun]

Hi Clay

Isn&#39;t it the most wonderful thing to have our minds set free from the restraints of the WT regime?

The more you look at how the world is setting itself up, the more it&#39;s beginning to resemble that All-Seeing Eye on the back of the dollar bill. Yes it is amazing to learn of the complexity and depth of the conspiracy, and how long ago it was planned. It is quite obvious that they have now accelerated their drive for world hegemony. But for all their hard work and planning, the "ruling elite" are rapidly steering themselves right into destruction. It&#39;s also quite ominous that our beloved Watchtower Society is set up similarly, with a "ruling elite". Now you see why it has to go. The New Age Pharisees are standing between Jehovah and his sheep. Jehovah&#39;s taking out the Watchtower first is actually an act of mercy on his part, tearing down the whitewashed wall before the tribulation goes full tilt.

It wasn&#39;t too long ago that we all thought the KON was Russia, and that somehow almost the entire Revelation was not only fulfilled, but fading into ancient history. But what is so much more impressive than Satan&#39;s well-orchestrated scheme, is the unfathomable wisdom that Jehovah put into his written word which allows us to actually peer into the future. It is Jehovah&#39;s daily adrenaline shot to get us through.

Glad you&#39;re here Clay

Lou

[Nambo]

Realize how much I don&#39;t know. Suggestions welcome on where to start.[/b]

Google Clay, Google!

As long as you are not with AOL as they block a lot of this stuff, ever wonder why the AOL sign looks a bit like a pyramid with an eye in it?

Anyway, some words to help you.
911 hoak
911 lies
New World Order
Illuminati
Commitee of 300
Bilderberg
Free masons
Zionsim
UFOs are Fairies
Giants
Nephilim
Auschwitz
Peter Power London tube bombings
conspiracy archieves
Alex Jones
David Icke (for the news, not for his Illuminati new age beliefs)

That should keep you busy for a while.
The advantage you have over nearly everyone, is that you have a Bible trained view and insight into what is really going on, a bed of Rock onto which to build.

[Jeshurun]

It was long ago decided by the Zionists that it would require three world wars to bring in the ultimate goal of the New World Order. The information that I have come upon sheds completely new light on the events since the dawn of the 20th century.

Could it be that Hitler was driven by Zionist threats to destroy Germany? Is there more to the rage of Iranian president Amhadinejad than Israel&#39;s mere existence? How did the modern nation of Israel become a reality, anyway? Do they have a right to this land, or did they steal it while murdering millions? Is Osama Bin Laden really the world&#39;s most dangerous man? My vote goes to Richard Perle. He&#39;s got all the earmarks of the future Antichrist.

Here&#39;s some excerpts from an article entitled "Stranger Than Fiction", at Planetquo.com, the result of 10 months of intensive research:


<div align="center">Zionism And World War I</div>

In the latter part of the 1800&#39;s, there arose in Europe a political movement known as &#39;Zionism.&#39; Zionism in particular referred to the effort among certain jews to establish a jewish nation in the land of Palestine. Today, the term Zionism is more commonly applied to those jews who want to expand the borders of what was already established, at the expense of the Palestinians who once owned the land. In a more general sense, the term &#39;Zionist&#39; is also used to describe a certain element within the jewish community - not all of them - who believe in Jewish Supremacy, thus putting their own interests ahead of those of the nation in which they reside. It is a mistake to assume that all jews are supporters of the &#39;Zionist Mafia&#39; or Jewish Supremacy. In fact, some of the strongest condemnations of Zionism and Jewish Supremacy comes from jews themselves! There exists an enormous collection of hard-hitting anti-Zionist writings compiled by such notable jewish authors, historians, and journalists as John Sack,(6) Alfred Lilienthal,(7) Noam Chomsky,(8) Israel Shahak,(9) Benjamin Freedman,(10) and Victor Ostrovsky (11) just to name a few. There is even a jewish religious group called &#39;Neturei Karta&#39; - Jews United Against Zionism. (12) For their brave efforts, these men have had to tolerate vicious abuse from Zionist smear groups like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) - an organisation which actually specialises in defamation! So let us put to rest now and forever the slanderous lie, and strategic Zionist propaganda ploy, that labels anyone who dares to call attention to the dangers of the Zionist Mafia is an &#39;anti-semite&#39;, a &#39;hatemonger&#39;, or a &#39;skinhead&#39;.

Now the Zionists of the late 1800&#39;s faced one small problem with their bold takeover scheme of Arab Palestine. Palestine was under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Turkish Empire and the Arabs certainly weren&#39;t about to just give away prime real estate in Palestine to the Zionists of Europe. There were very few jews even living in Palestine and the jews had not controlled Palestine since the days of the Roman Empire. This destroys the commonly believed myth that the Arabs and the Jews &#39;have been fighting over that land for centuries.&#39; The handful of Arab-Jews who lived in Palestine got along well with their Muslim hosts and never expressed any desire whatsoever to overthrow the Ottoman rulers and set up a nation called Israel. The movement to strip Palestine away from the Ottoman Empire came strictly from European Zionists who had become very influential within several European nations.

As fate - or perhaps design - would have it, a great opportunity would soon present itself to the Zionist Mafia. There came in 1914 &#39;The Great War&#39; pitting the three powers of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Turkish Empire against the three powers of England, France, and Russia. In the interests of staying on the subject of 9-11 and today&#39;s &#39;War on Terrorism&#39;, we won&#39;t get into all of the underlying causes or the historical flow of World War I. What we need to understand is that the Zionists played an important role in dragging the USA into that bloody European war - a war in which the US had no vital interests at stake whatsoever.

Here was the situation. By 1916, the Germans, Austrians, and Ottoman Turks had seemingly won the war. Russia was in turmoil and about to be swallowed up by communist revolution. France had suffered horrible losses, and Britain was under a German U-boat blockade. Germany made an offer to Britain to end the war under conditions favorable to Britain. But the British, and the international Zionists, had one more card to play!

The British government and the Zionist leaders struck a dirty deal. The Zionists were led by Chaim Weizmann, the man who one day become the first President of the State of Israel. The idea was for the Zionists to use their influence to drag the mighty USA into the war on Britain&#39;s side, so that Germany and it&#39;s Ottoman allies could be crushed. In exchange for helping to bring the USA into the war, the British would reward the Zionists by taking over Palestine from the conquered Ottomans after the war was over. The British had originally wanted to give the Zionists a jewish homeland in an African territory. But the Zionists were fixated on claiming Palestine as their land. Once under British control, the Jews of Europe would be allowed to immigrate to Palestine in great numbers.

Zionists powerbrokers such as Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff, and many others immediately went to work to put the screws to President Woodrow Wilson. The Zionist influenced press, quickly transformed the German Kaiser and his people into bloodthirsty &#39;Huns&#39;, determined to destroy civilisation. In 1916, the US, with the help of the Lusitania &#39;incident&#39;, entered the war on Britain&#39;s side under the ridiculous pretext of &#39;making the world safe for democracy.&#39;

Meanwhile in Germany - where Zionists also wielded tremendous influence in the press and industry - enthusiasm for the war was suddenly watered-down by Zionist run newspapers. Wartime labour-strikes in German weapons factories were organised by Zionist and Marxist union leaders. With the German branch of the International Zionist Mafia undermining Germany from within, and the English and American branches of the Zionist mafia pushing America to join the war, it wasn&#39;t long before the German, Austrian, and Ottoman Empires were defeated and their maps rewritten by the victorious powers at the infamous Treaty of Versailles in 1918. In addition to the numerous Zionist bankers who were influencing Versailles, the Zionists also had their own delegation which was headed by Chaim Weizmann.

Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration in November 1917, the same month that Germany surrendered. But it had actually been prepared 20 months earlier in March 1916 with Weizmann&#39;s influence.(13) The Declaration allowed mass Jewish immigration to conquered Palestine while promising to preserve Arab rights. The Arabs living in Palestine weren&#39;t buying these promises. They protested, but there was nothing that they could do to stop the coming wave of jewish immigration. This was the first step in creating what was to later become the state of Israel 20 years later.

Years after the war, an American Zionist millionaire named Benjamin Freedman broke ranks with his fellow Zionists and turned against them. Freedman was the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company and was one of the many Zionists present at the Treaty of Versailles. Freedman was very well connected and had enjoyed access to several US presidents. Freedman grew disgusted with the criminal behaviour of the Zionist mafia and dedicated much of his life and fortune to exposing the truth about both World Wars and the Zionist grip on America. According to Freedman, Wilson had been blackmailed by Zionists with the threat of a public disclosure of an old extramarital affair Wilson had when he was president of Princeton University. (14) Freedman&#39;s voluminous - and buried - writings and books on this subject are essential reading. One leader of the jewish Anti Defamation League - Arnold Forster - once described Freedman as a "self-hating Jew." (15)

We may debate as to exactly what extent this Zionist-British dirty deal was responsible for dragging the sons of America off to die in a European bloodbath. Some, such as Freedman, believe it was the only reason that the US entered the war. Others, such as this writer, believe it was a primary contributing factor. But let us at this point agree on this one irrefutable point: the Zionists had no aversion to seeing Americans die for their own selfish interests. Even the Encyclopedia Britannica and Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia - look under &#39;Balfour Declaration&#39; - confirm this little known fact of World War I. Here&#39;s the excerpt from Microsoft Encarta:

The Balfour Declaration was a letter prepared in March 1916 and issued in November 1917, during World War I, by the British statesman Arthur James Balfour, then foreign secretary.... Specifically, the letter expressed the British government&#39;s approval of Zionism with "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." The letter committed the British government to making the "best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done to prejudice the rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." The immediate purpose was to win for the Allied cause in World War I the support of Jews in the warring nations and in the United States. As a result of the Balfour Declaration, Israel was established as an independent state in 1948 in the mandated area. (16)

It&#39;s also worth mentioning at this point that when the British dismantled the Ottoman Empire after World War I, they created many smaller nations. The oil rich, puppet kingdom of Kuwait was formed by slicing off the southern coastal tip of what we now know as the nation of Iraq. As a result of this arbitrary redrawing of the Ottoman map, a bitter conflict was created between Iraq and Kuwait. Iraq has always considered Kuwait as its true southern province. This is what ultimately led to Iraq&#39;s invasion of Kuwait in 1991 and the Gulf War.


<div align="center">Zionism And World War II</div>

Let us fast forward our time machine to the early 1930&#39;s. Again, there is no need for a detailed analysis and debate of the causes and major events of World War II. The purpose here is to again illustrate yet another case of selfish Zionist agitation for American entry into a war.

The German people were bitterly resentful of not only the Zionist role in bringing about their defeat in World War I, but also over the brutal monetary reparations which had been imposed upon them by certain Zionist bankers who helped craft the brutal Treaty of Versailles after the war. Stripped of formerly German territory, and with the German economy in ruins, the people of Germany elected Adolf Hitler as their Chancellor leader. Hitler and the Nazi party soon seized control of the German media, banks, and universities away from the influential Zionists who reigned supreme in those institutions.

Almost immediately, Zionists all over the world began to agitate for action against Germany. Boycotts of German imports were imposed and calls for the UK and USA to take immediate action against Germany began to emanate from Zionist circles. On March 24, 1933, The Daily Express of England carried the bold headline: &#39;Judea Declares War on Germany. Jews of All the World Unite in Action.&#39; (17) The front page story revealed that the Zionists had announced a concerted worldwide effort to isolate Germany and turn other nations against her.

The following year, Zionist political leader Vladimir Jabotinksy wrote:

"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every continent...We shall start a spiritual and material war of the world against Germany. Our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany." (18)

A few years later, Lord Beaverbrook, a British newspaper magnate issued this warning about the Zionist influence over the British press. Beaverbrook warned:

"There are 20,000 German Jews who have come here to England. They all work against an agreement with Germany. The Jews have got a big position in the press here. Their political influence is driving us into the direction of war." (19)

In 1939, Germany and Poland went to war over disputed territory that was taken away from Germany by the Versailles Treaty of 1918. Under the phony pretext of protecting Poland, Great Britain and France immediately declared war on Germany. Beaverbrook&#39;s prediction was realised.

In the United States, the Zionist Mafia again went to work on a US president. The names of the players had changed but the game was still the same. It was Franklin Delano Roosevelt&#39;s turn to deliver the US into another European war. Patriotic Americans such as famed aviator Charles Lindbergh saw this and tried to warn the American people that Zionist media influence was intending to drive us into another World War. Said Lindbergh:

"I am not attacking the Jewish people. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war." (20)

Because of strong public anti-war sentiment, Roosevelt and his Zionist allies had a hard time dragging the US into the European war. Then another &#39;incident&#39; came along at Pearl Harbour in 1941. Japan and Germany were bound to a mutual defense agreement, which meant that war with Japan would automatically mean war with Germany. Roosevelt embargoed Japan&#39;s oil supply in the hopes of forcing Japan to attack Pearl Harbour. Overwhelming evidence from government documents clearly shows that FDR had advance knowledge of the Japanese attack and allowed it to happen so that he could drag the US into World War II. (21)

As was the case in World War I, US entry in the war meant another defeat of Germany. Hours before committing suicide on April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler dictated his last will and political testament. In it he placed responsibility for World War II on the Zionist Mafia - or, as he called it - "International Jewry and its henchmen." It&#39;s no surprise that Hitler would make such a claim. However, his final accusation of the Zionists does parallel the statements made by Jabotinsky, Lindbergh, Beaverbrook, Joe Kennedy, and many others. In the final writing of his life, Hitler wrote:

"It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish Origin or working for Jewish interests... Nor had I ever wished that after the appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against either England or America." (22)

Regardless of your view of World War II and whether or not the USA belonged in the fight, the essential point which cannot be refuted is again this: years before World War II had even started, the Zionists had yet again demonstrated that they had no aversion to sending Americans to die for their own interests.

<div align="center">Great Britain&#39;s Turn To Be Betrayed</div>



A few years after the end of World War II, the Zionist plan to establish the nation of Israel in Palestine was finally realised. But not before the British protectors of Palestine were chased out by acts of terror carried out by ungrateful Zionist terrorists. It was the British who had taken Palestine away from Arab control and allowed the jews of Europe to immigrate there. But with Great Britain weakened and in debt from the war, the ungrateful Zionists saw their opportunity to chase the British out of Palestine by committing acts of terrorism against them. The most notorious of the Zionist terror groups was the Irgun, whose leader Menachem Begin would one day go on to become Prime Minister of Israel!

On the morning of July 22, 1946, 15-20 Irgun terrorists dressed as Arabs entered the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They unloaded 225 kilograms of explosives hidden in milk churns. (23) The King David Hotel housed the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine. When a British officer became suspicious, a shootout took place and the Irgun lit the fuses and fled. The explosion destroyed part of the hotel and killed 91 people. Most of the victims were British but 15 innocent Jews also died, proving that radical Zionists are capable of even killing fellow Jews in order to advance their cause.

The Irgun terror gang also targeted Arab civilians in order to frighten them into evacuating their land. The most well known of these massacres happened at the village of Deir Yassin on the morning of April 9, 1948. More than 100 Arabs, including women and children were systematically slaughtered by Menachem Begin&#39;s murderous gang. (24) The Israelis took over whatever villages the terrorized Arabs fled from.

By 1948, the British had had enough of Palestine. Under intense Zionist lobbying, the UN, the UK and the US recognised the nation of Israel in 1948. One of the first acts of the new Israeli government was to pass &#39;the law of return&#39; which gives any Jew in the world the right to move to Israel and become a citizen. Understandably, the Arab nations weren&#39;t too pleased about this. There would be several wars to follow. The Israelis and their free arsenal of America&#39;s finest weapons kept the Arabs from reclaiming their land. The Arabs have never been a match for the US-supplied Israeli war machine. The irony of &#39;the law of return&#39; is that many of today&#39;s Jews have no direct ancestral link to the Jews of the Old Testament. Many, perhaps even most Jewish people are descended from the Khazars - a people whose rulers converted to Judaism sometime during the 800&#39;s AD. (25) The Khazars never even set foot in Palestine!

The brutal and criminal circumstances surrounding the creation of Israel are now a half century in the past. Even most Arabs understand that Israel isn&#39;t going to go away. But by reviewing this real history, we can better understand the deceptive, dangerous, and brutal nature of Zionism today.




<div align="center">America Becomes The Zionist&#39;s Whore</div>



We have reviewed how the Zionists used and discarded Germany. Then they used and discarded Great Britain. After World War II, it was clear that the chief remaining global power was the United States. Now the USA had never had any problem with the Arab people, and had no reason to quarrel with the Arabs. For the Zionists to maintain and expand the support they were receiving from America, it would benefit them greatly if the Arabs and the mighty US could somehow become enemies. Could the Zionists possibly stoop so low? Why not? Look at what they had already pulled off! Remember that the official motto of the Mossad - Israeli&#39;s intelligence organisation - is &#39;by way of deception thou shalt do war. (26)

In 1955, one of these &#39;false-flag&#39; operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt. (27) When this conspiracy was exposed, it ultimately created such a controversy that it brought down the Israeli government. The long since forgotten scandal became known as &#39;the Lavon Affair.&#39;

Then again during a 1967 war with the Arabs, Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, an unarmed US communications ship. (28) Thirty-five American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught - carried out in broad daylight and with the US flag flying prominently. The intent was to kill all of the Americans and then leave the Egyptians to take the blame. Israel denied that the attack was deliberate but the chilling stories of the lucky American survivors clearly contradicts that lie. To this very day, the US Congress has never investigated the USS Liberty massacre.

In 1989, the Israelis once again succeeded in framing enemy Arabs in order to enrage America. Former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrosvky became so disgusted with the criminal behaviour of his own government that he defected from the Mossad and tried to warn America of just how evil and dangerous they were. Ostrovsky revealed exactly how the Israelis framed Libya for the bombing of a German night club which killed American servicemen. (29) It was this frame up job that caused President Reagan to bomb Libya, killing the 4 year-old daughter of Libyan leader Muamar Qadaffi. France refused to allow US bombers to fly over their air space and bomb Libya because French intelligence knew that Libya was unjustly framed by the Israelis. Among some of Ostrovosky&#39;s other amazing revelations are: that the Mossad often uses Arab agents to carry out missions, that Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs, that Mossad had a plan to turn American public opinion against Iraq, and that wealthy Zionists in America are often called upon to help carry out Mossad missions. Ostrovsky, whose tell all book - &#39;By Way of Deception&#39; - infuriated the Mossad and made him the target of numerous death threats. (30)

In 2001, the Washington Times ran a story about a 68-page research paper issued by the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS). The research was compiled by 60 US Army officers as an attempt to predict the possible outcomes of deploying a US force to maintain peace between the Israel and Palestinians. Here&#39;s what SAMS had to say about the Israeli military machine:

"A 500 lb gorilla in Israel. Well armed and trained. Operates in both Gaza and the West Bank. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission." (31)

Of Israel&#39;s Mossad, the officers issued this warning:

"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian Arab act." (32)

Why does the US, which is trillions of dollars in debt, gives away billons of taxpayer dollars to a foreign government whose military violates international laws and whose Mossad is capable of murdering US troops in order to frame Arabs? Have we lost our minds?




<div align="center">Zionist Power Structure In America</div>



Now that we have established the ruthless and criminal nature of radical Zionism, one more lesson needs to be understood before we return to the five dancing Israelis of 9-11 and other related stories. Even the Zionists themselves have never denied that they have long exerted great influence in America. But what we must understand is that the Zionists do not merely influence United States policy - they dominate it! It is this domination that enables them to pull off monstrous crimes and then conceal them from the general public.

The observation that Zionists dominate the American media, government, academia, and Hollywood has been made by many prominent Americans and is easily verifiable by public information.

Henry Ford said this:

"If after having elected their man or group, obedience is not rendered to the Jewish control, then you speedily hear of &#39;scandals&#39; and &#39;investigations&#39; and &#39;impeachments&#39; for the removal of the disobedient. Usually a man with a &#39;past&#39; proves the most obedient instrument, but even a good man can often be tangled up in campaign practices that compromise him. It has been commonly known that Jewish manipulation of American election campaigns have been so skillfully handled, that no matter which candidate was elected, there was ready made a sufficient amount of evidence to discredit him in case his Jewish masters needed to discredit him." (33)

Charles Lindbergh said this:

"Their greatest danger to this country lies in the Jewish ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our government." (34)

Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:

"I&#39;ve never seen a President - I don&#39;t care who he is - stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don&#39;t have any idea what goes on." (35)

While a guest on ABC&#39;s Face the Nation, William Fulbright - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committee - said this before a national television audience:

"Israel controls the United States Senate. We should be more concerned about the United States&#39; interests." (36)

Nationally syndicated columnist and former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan said:

"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory." (37)

And US religious leader Billy Graham and President Richard Nixon once had the following exchange, which was caught on tape:

GRAHAM: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country&#39;s going down the drain."

NIXON: "You believe that?"

GRAHAM: "Yes, sir."

NIXON: "Oh boy. So do I. I can&#39;t ever say that but I do believe it" (38)

But enough of quoting others. Let&#39;s look at the facts of Zionist control.

Fact: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, UPN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Daily News, Time Magazine, Newsweek, People Magazine, US News and World Report and countless other media and Hollywood companies all have either a Zionist CEO, a Zionist News Chief, or are owned by a media conglomerate which has a Zionist CEO. (39) Have you ever noticed how Hollywood movies always seem to portray Germans and Arabs as a bigoted fanatics or as terrorists? Now you know why!

Fact: AIPAC, the Israeli lobbying organisation, is the most feared lobby in Washington DC. By their own admission, they are capable of unseating Congressmen and Senators that do not carry out their requests. The majority of Congressmen from both political parties receive large donations from AIPAC. Writing for the Nation Magazine, journalist Michael Massing explains:

"AIPAC is widely regarded as the most powerful foreign-policy lobby in Washington. Its 60,000 members shower millions of dollars on hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle." Newspapers like the New York Times fear the Jewish lobby organizations as well. "It&#39;s very intimidating," said a correspondent at another large daily. "The pressure from these groups is relentless." (40)

Fact: In 2001, The Pentagon was under the control of a hard core Zionist named Richard Perle. The civilian Defense Policy Board actually wields more control over the military establishment than the Defense Secretary or the generals and admirals. There are a number of other Zionists who serve on the board - Kissinger, Cohen, Schlessinger - as well as non-Jewish members who have always supported Israel and the expansion of the &#39;War on Terror.&#39; The notoriously belligerent Perle, nicknamed the &#39;The Prince of Darkness&#39;, is Chairman of the Board. (41)

With Perle as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Zionist Paul Wolfowitz as Under-secretary of Defense, and Zionist award-winner Douglas Feith as Undersecretary of Defense Policy, the Zionist Pentagon gang controls three of the top four civilian leadership positions of America&#39;s armed forces. Careerist scoundrels like Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld are either under their influence or unwilling to oppose their drive for World War III. The Perle-Wolfowitz-Feith gang represent a fanatical and warmongering &#39;government-within-a-government.&#39; In league with these Zionist Pentagon conspirators are Jewish Zionist and 2004 Presidential candidate, Senator Joseph Lieberman and his Gentile partner in crime Senator John McCain.

An Israeli journalist named Ari Shavit, lamenting the harsh treatments that his government dishes out to the Palestinians, made the following observation in Ha&#39;aretz, a leading Israeli journal:

"We believe with absolute certitude that now, with the White House and Senate in our hands along with the Pentagon and the New York Times, the lives of Arabs do not count as much as our own. Their blood does not count as much as our blood. We believe with absolute certitude that now, when we have AIPAC and Edgar Bronfman and the Anti-Defamation League, we truly have the right to tell 400,000 people that in eight hours they must flee from their homes. And that we have the right to rain bombs on their villages and towns and populated areas. That we have the right to kill without any guilt." (42)

And this only scratches the surface of Zionist power! With such awesome power to control and cover up events, is it any wonder why so many of America&#39;s journalists and politicians are afraid to even talk about this issue? Is it any wonder why former President Bill Clinton would grovel before a Jewish audience and say something as ridiculous as the following statement:

"The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die." (43)


There is a vast wealth of information in this article which goes into the events of 9/11, and the Zionist plan for World War III. I highly suggest anyone interested in this enlightenment to visit to the abovementioned website and click on this article.

[Steadfast]

Dear Brother Jesh,

One of the things I read recently about why Hitler failed is that he gassed a Rothchild. :icon_eek:

Love,

Steadfast

[Dorcas]

Thanks so much for all of the political info. I remember Isaiah saying that in the end days Jehovah will expose all the "interweavings" of the nations. It appeares that much info has been coming to light. I think of Satan&#39;s world as a glass Christmas ornament -- appealing on the outside, but hollow inside. Nothing of positive value to honest-hearted persons.
May Jehovah comfort all those who are searching for truth...Dorcas

[Dorcas]

Thanks so much for all of the political info. I remember Isaiah saying that in the end days Jehovah will expose all the "interweavings" of the nations. It appeares that much info has been coming to light. I think of Satan&#39;s world as a glass Christmas ornament -- appealing on the outside, but hollow inside. Nothing of positive value to honest-hearted persons.
May Jehovah comfort all those who are searching for truth...Dorcas[/b] Isa. 25:7 "And in this mountain he will certainly swallow up the face of the envelopment that is enveloping over all the peoples, and the woven work that is interwoving upon all the nations."http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/MSN%20Vlinder.gif
Dorcas

[Nambo]

Dear Brother Jesh,

One of the things I read recently about why Hitler failed is that he gassed a Rothchild. :icon_eek:

Love,

Steadfast[/b]

Do a search and you will find it stated that Hitler WAS A ROTHCHILD!
His Mother was a maid for the family and got taken advantage of.

Allthough not technically a Jew as it passes through the Mother, hes still pretty close, ironic really.

[Jeshurun]

(Excerpt from "Premonitions of an American Holocaust," by Pam Schuffert)
Document 1-
From Pentagon Intelligence Deputy Chief of Staff, Major Ralph Peters, Washington DC:

"The desire for Patriotism (the sovereignty of our nation, our flag, our religious and other freedoms, and nationalism,) is considered an enemy doctrine. The US armed forces must be prepared to fight against all those who oppose the New World Order and are holding out for nationalism."

"This new &#39;Warrior Class&#39; [of American Patriots who will resist martial law and the NWO] is most dangerous because they consist of those who fight out of strong religious beliefs. You cannot bargain or compromise with these &#39;warriors.&#39; We as the military need to commit more time to counter these &#39;warrior&#39; threats...coupled with IRRESISTIBLE VIOLENCE."

Document 2-
A copy of a top secret document has been smuggled out of the Executive Office Building in Washington DC. Parts of it are as follows:

On transfer of sovereignty to the United Nations, those who do not conform to United Nations authority will be considered RESISTERS and declared ENEMIES OF THE GOVERNMENT. Public statements in support of the old ways and favoring continued United States nationlism will be considered ENEMY DOCTRINE.

UN armed forces must be prepared to fight against all those who openly oppose the New World Order and who are holding out for nationalism.

The most dangerous resisters will be those with strong religious beliefs. These specific elements cannot be contained nor subdued and must be dealt with harshly to the core. Civilian militias have announced their intention of armed defiance and promotion of Civil disobedience. All possible efforts must be mounted to prevent scattered groups of resisters from uniting with these disciplined militia concentrations.

In order to make a peaceful transition to UN domination, it is imperative that special UN units be designated the spearhead that will TOTALLY NEUTRALIZE ALL COORDINATED RESISTANCE from militias and ORGANIZED PASSIVE REBELLION FROM THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT.

Document 3-

The US attorney general (former Janet Reno) has sent a CONFIDENTIAL MEMO to US attorneys that an investigation would take place against FUNDAMENTALIST AND RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS. It states that investigation and surveillance of right wing political and fundamentalists, religious organizations and individuals will take place in certain states. Dossiers on targeted individuals are to be complied and retained in Washington, DC in the Justice Department.

In the event of a widespread uprising (as in MARTIAL LAW) these individuals must be viewed as POTENTIAL TERRORISTS.

-Janet Reno, former US attorney general (This investigation and it&#39;s conclusions and viewing such Christians as potential terrorists still remains in effect.)

[Jeshurun]

Here&#39;s pretty solid evidence of how they cover it up:

"There is no such thing as an independent press in America at this date of the world’s history. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print."

"I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone."

"The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?"

"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks; they pull the strings, and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men."

"We are intellectual prostitutes."

John Swinton (1829-1901)

Former New York Times Editor-In-Chief

[Jeshurun]

Albert Pike, a founding father of the Illuminati in the West, 33rd degree Freemason, received a vision of the three world wars to be fomented by the Illuminati to bring about the New World Order. This is a must read! This information comes from ThreeWorldWars.Com:


Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. Based on a vision revealed to him, Albert Pike wrote a blueprint of events that would play themselves out in the 20th century, with even more of these events yet to come. It is this blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages. At various stages of his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.



An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide operations in 1834. (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). Because of Mazzini&#39;s revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe&#39;s monarchies. As the secrets of the Illuminati were revealed, they were persecuted and eventually disbanded, only to re-establish themselves in the depths of other organizations, of which Freemasonry was one.

During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati&#39;s American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini&#39;s intention was that once a mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to the secret &#39;society within a society&#39;.

Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.



It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr&#39;s book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:

<blockquote>"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez&#39;s knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".

</blockquote>It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.

To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

<blockquote>"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." ²

</blockquote>Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

<blockquote>"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." ³

</blockquote>After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

<blockquote>"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ⁴

</blockquote>Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

[Sketch]

Something I found on the International Herald Tribune recently was that NASDAQ is trying to take over the London Stock Exchange... was this mentioned anyway and I just missed it? This is apparently the 2nd time they&#39;ve tried... I would consider that a major threat to the London based oligarchy trying to control the world... maybe just a blip on the radar??


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/11/business/nasdaq.php
Nasdaq fails in takeover bid for London Stock Exchange

The Nasdaq stock market has failed for the second time in a year to win control of the London Stock Exchange, revealing that its hostile bid had been spurned by the majority of the British bourse&#39;s shareholders.

[Viking]

It is no secret that there is strong evidence that Hitler was a grandson of Baron Salomon Rothschild, Vienna.
I think I have read something about it on David Ickes site.

on Rense com is a fine article which publishes a speech from a Mr. Freedman, a jew in 1961 in US. He deduces the upcoming of ww1 and ww2 logical in the roots of the Zionist movement.

I have the impression that the great opposer used this creation to deceive christians today in thinking that this is the Israel of god.

and it all would not make me wonder, when the releasing call peace and security takes place in accordance to that country.

the conspiracy of the lightbearer is working effective.

[Jeshurun]

Hello Viking and welcome to the forum.

Rense is a very good site, but be careful with David Icke, some of his ideas are way out there.

If you like, please do a google check on the Jesuits, and the Black Pope. You might be surprised to find out that the military arm of the Vatican is behind almost everything, and uses the Zionists as scapegoats.

Glad you&#39;re here Viking!

Lou

[Nambo]

Hi Viking!
Are you from Scandinavia?, I have two Swedish sisters.
Welcome to this site.
As Lou said, dont get too caught up in David Icke, I use his site for the news articles he gathers from around the world, but he himself, whilst opeing up his mind to some of the truth, is just as caught up in Satans original lies about being like God and living forever as any of them.

I also wonder if he is some sort of Illuminati misinformation artist as his wacky notions that the Royal family are really lizards with masks on is bound to put people off any truth he happens to comment on.

As for Hitler, yes, hes nigh on a Jew, allthough technically Jewishness parsses through the Mother.

[Jeshurun]

Here&#39;s an example of someone who is gravely ill spilling the beans on the bad guys.

Does it get any clearer than this?



Rockefeller Admitted Elite Goal Of Microchipped Population
Hollywood director Russo goes in-depth for first time on the astounding admissions of Nick Rockefeller, including his prediction of 9/11 and the war on terror hoax, the Rockefeller&#39;s creation of women&#39;s lib, and the elite&#39;s ultimate plan for world population reduction and a microchipped society <div align="left">Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, January 29, 2007

Hollywood director and documentary film maker Aaron Russo has gone in-depth on the astounding admissions of Nick Rockefeller, who personally told him that the elite&#39;s ultimate goal was to create a microchipped population and that the war on terror was a hoax, Rockefeller having predicted an "event" that would trigger the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan eleven months before 9/11.

Rockefeller also told Russo that his family&#39;s foundation had created and bankrolled the women&#39;s liberation movement in order to destroy the family and that population reduction was a fundamental aim of the global elite.

Russo is perhaps best known for producing Trading Places starring Eddie Murphy but was more recently in the spotlight for his exposé of the criminal run for profit federal reserve system, the documentary America From Freedom to Fascism.

Currently undergoing more treatment in his fight against cancer, Russo made time for a sit down interview with radio host and fellow documentary film maker Alex Jones in which he dropped bombshell after bombshell on what Rockefeller had told him about the direction the world was being steered towards by the global elite.

After his popular video Mad As Hell was released and he began his campaign to become Governor of Nevada, Russo was noticed by Rockefeller and introduced to him by a female attorney. Seeing Russo&#39;s passion and ability to affect change, Rockefeller set about on a subtle mission to recruit Russo into the elite.

During one conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo if he was interested in joining the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) but Russo rejected the invitation, saying he had no interest in "enslaving the people" to which Rockefeller coldly questioned why he cared about the "serfs."

"I used to say to him what&#39;s the point of all this," states Russo, "you have all the money in the world you need, you have all the power you need, what&#39;s the point, what&#39;s the end goal?" to which Rockefeller replied (paraphrasing), "The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world."

Rockefeller even assured Russo that if he joined the elite his chip would be specially marked so as to avoid undue inspection by the authorities.

Russo states that Rockefeller told him, "Eleven months before 9/11 happened there was going to be an event and out of that event we were going to invade Afghanistan to run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we were going to invade Iraq to take over the oil fields and establish a base in the Middle East, and we&#39;d go after Chavez in Venezuela."

Rockefeller also told Russo that he would see soldiers looking in caves in Afghanistan and Pakistan for Osama bin Laden and that there would be an "Endless war on terror where there&#39;s no real enemy and the whole thing is a giant hoax," so that "the government could take over the American people," according to Russo, who said that Rockefeller was cynically laughing and joking as he made the astounding prediction.

In a later conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo what he thought women&#39;s liberation was about. Russo&#39;s response that he thought it was about the right to work and receive equal pay as men, just as they had won the right to vote, caused Rockefeller to laughingly retort, "You&#39;re an idiot! Let me tell you what that was about, we the Rockefeller&#39;s funded that, we funded women&#39;s lib, we&#39;re the one&#39;s who got all of the newspapers and television - the Rockefeller Foundation."

Rockefeller told Russo of two primary reasons why the elite bankrolled women&#39;s lib, one because before women&#39;s lib the bankers couldn&#39;t tax half the population and two because it allowed them to get children in school at an earlier age, enabling them to be indoctrinated into accepting the state as the primary family, breaking up the traditional family model.

This revelation dovetails previous admissions on behalf of feminist pioneer Gloria Steinem that the CIA bankrolled Ms. Magazine as part of the same agenda of breaking up traditional family models.

Rockefeller was often keen to stress his idea that "the people have to be ruled" by an elite and that one of the tools of such power was population reduction, that there were "too many people in the world," and world population numbers should be reduced by at least half.

One issue which has spiraled out of control of the elite according to Rockefeller&#39;s conversations with Russo, is the Israel-Palestine conflict, with serious thinking at one stage revolving around the bizarre notion of giving Israeli citizens one million dollars each and relocating them all in the state of Arizona.

</div>

[Berean]

Did this Russo-Rockefeller conversation really take place? Nobody knows, so this can hardly be classified as evidence of anything, sadly.

[Jeshurun]

Did this Russo-Rockefeller conversation really take place? Nobody knows, so this can hardly be classified as evidence of anything, sadly.[/b]

???

Things like this don&#39;t get published without taped transcripts.

If you go to the website you can watch a video.

[Berean]

I wonder why he suddenly comes forward with that information. Why now, why not earlier? And what exactly is he hoping to achieve with this? Is he looking for attention? I&#39;m sorry if I sound overly suspicious, but I always question everyone&#39;s motives (Psalm 146:3).

[Jeshurun]

I wonder why he suddenly comes forward with that information. Why now, why not earlier? And what exactly is he hoping to achieve with this? Is he looking for attention? I&#39;m sorry if I sound overly suspicious, but I always question everyone&#39;s motives (Psalm 146:3).[/b]

Because they&#39;re getting very bold, Berean. None of them care anymore what comes out, it&#39;s way too late for anyone to do anything to stop them, and they know it.

In case you missed the last post, I watched the video.

[Nambo]

<div class='quotemain'>I wonder why he suddenly comes forward with that information. Why now, why not earlier? And what exactly is he hoping to achieve with this? Is he looking for attention? I&#39;m sorry if I sound overly suspicious, but I always question everyone&#39;s motives (Psalm 146:3).[/b]

Because they&#39;re getting very bold, Berean. None of them care anymore what comes out, it&#39;s way too late for anyone to do anything to stop them, and they know it.

In case you missed the last post, I watched the video.


[/b][/quote]

These folk love to brag about thier achievments to other members of thier funny handshake club around the world, it gives them individual prestige and power, and also encourages the whole world wide brotherhood.
Thats why there are so many "signatures" to thier events such as special numbers, mystical signs and tricky hand positions on the front of Time magazine etc.

Maybe a co-incidence, but wonder if its a boasting message when that little airplane with the baseball player suddenly flew into the side of a tall building in New York on 10/11/6 , and you turn the date upside down and you get 9/11/01

Look at us!
We are Gods!
We are so powerfull, we can do anything we like!
And the Goyim are so stupid that even when we flaunt it in thier faces, they still dont know.

[Berean]

In case you missed the last post, I watched the video.[/b]
That&#39;s good. :) I think it&#39;s important not to stick to one view of events, but to be open to all possibilities. I am not convinced that the US government can wash their hands in innocence when it comes to 9/11, but I also do not believe that terrorism does not exist at all. There&#39;s a fine line that separates the truth from the lies, and that line cannot often be distinguished. That&#39;s why it&#39;s important that God gave us the Bible, which is really the only written work that can be trusted, because it&#39;s written by people who were used by God. Anything else is written by people with an agenda, whether that agenda is good or bad, and devoting too much time to all that other stuff can be harmful (Ecclesiastes 12:12). That&#39;s why I&#39;d rather not spend too much time indulging in these matters, because if things do not turn out as expected, it will only lead to disappointment, and there&#39;s nothing we can do to speed up the coming of the end anyway, so it&#39;s probably best to wait and keep our trust in Jehovah; after all, he knows what needs to be done and he will do so.

[Redpill]

Wow... just, wow.

Now I love a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone... probably more than most sane people.

Government hiding UFOs? Sure. Lost ancient civilizations nearly as advanced as our own? Why not? Humans exhibiting vestiges of "in God&#39;s image" powers to make thoughts become reality, manifested in ESP and telekinesis? Possible.

But let me tell ya, it will take me some time to wrap the ol&#39; noggin around a lot of what&#39;s being bandied about here. And when "lizard-man" David Icke is brought into the discussion, that&#39;s like... well, that&#39;s just weird.

I consider myself open-minded, and I&#39;d never shoot down an idea unless I actually had proof against it... but bear with me if I can&#39;t seamlessly merge into these particular discussions just yet. That is all. :spamafote:

[BackToBasics]

Hello all this is my first post so I hope its ok .

Conspiracy theorys tend to make me a bit nervous because they seem to just draw peoples time and energy away from things that really matter . David Icke used to be a sports presenter on British TV untill he had a kind of "spiritial exsperiance". Now it seems logical that this exsoeriance he had was from Satan but what the spirits were directing him towards was the basicallly the whole idea of conspiracy theorys being responsible for all of history. Not the idea of Satan being in charge so much but the idea of the Illuminati and other such human ones .

Sounds so similar to what many seem to be getting rapped up in including many Christians that it could be viewed as un spiritual at the least and even idolatry at the worse end of the spectrum .

In my thinking a truth can be upbuilding or not and a lie can be upbuilding or not . Not all that is thought of as true is in fact upbuilding but can be detructive . Christ said that by the fruit we could recognice what is good. I see no good fruit from the modern movement of conspiracy theorys .

Let the world get taken captive by them but perhaps as Christians we should focus on what is chaste and upbuilding more otherwise might we not be like a tap that produces bitter water and pure water?

[Jeshurun]

Hello BackToBasics and welcome to the forum!

If you look through these threads we definitely try to stick to the facts here, and we only give credence to things that agree with Bible prophecy. As far as David Icke and aliens, we are well aware of his outrageous disinformation and we have stated that here. We also never take man&#39;s word for anything other than face value, as only the words of Jehovah never fail.

I can only speak for myself, but when I see these schemes of men and how they are carried out, it reinforces my faith in the sense that Jehovah has seen all things in advance, and he gives us the insight to read into these plans of men and separate fact from fiction.

Better to see what&#39;s coming than to not know who the enemy is (besides Satan) and what their ultimate goals are.

I understand that this information is not for everybody, that&#39;s why there are different threads for discussion, people can choose for themselves what discussions they want to participate in.

Agape
Lou

[BackToBasics]

"Better to see what&#39;s coming than to not know who the enemy is (besides Satan) and what their ultimate goals are."


[b] Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God

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[Nambo]

Hello all this is my first post so I hope its ok .

Conspiracy theorys tend to make me a bit nervous because they seem to just draw peoples time and energy away from things that really matter . David Icke used to be a sports presenter on British TV untill he had a kind of "spiritial exsperiance". Now it seems logical that this exsoeriance he had was from Satan but what the spirits were directing him towards was the basicallly the whole idea of conspiracy theorys being responsible for all of history. Not the idea of Satan being in charge so much but the idea of the Illuminati and other such human ones .

Sounds so similar to what many seem to be getting rapped up in including many Christians that it could be viewed as un spiritual at the least and even idolatry at the worse end of the spectrum .

In my thinking a truth can be upbuilding or not and a lie can be upbuilding or not . Not all that is thought of as true is in fact upbuilding but can be detructive . Christ said that by the fruit we could recognice what is good. I see no good fruit from the modern movement of conspiracy theorys .

Let the world get taken captive by them but perhaps as Christians we should focus on what is chaste and upbuilding more otherwise might we not be like a tap that produces bitter water and pure water?[/b]

Hi and welcome B to B,
I too consider David Icke either a misinformation atrist or a victim of Satans lies but just because Satan might be behind David Icke, doesnt mean that Satan is behind anything to do with conspiracy theories just as the fact that Satan is behind the majority of religions doesnt mean that all religion and even God himself is a result of Satan!

What Satan does is create a deciept in any colour or shade that appeals to you, so if you are religious, he has some fine religions you might like, if you like the idea of nice Aliens coming to save you and take you to a paradise, well thiers plenty of "evidence" in UFOs and aliens.

If you have eyes that see and ears that hear that make you want to question the propogander you are told, you can be sure that Satan will provide plenty of oppurtunity to get you lost down this road.

But just as religion isnt wrong, you cannot say that wanting to know the truth about anything is Satanic.

It is its fruits that reveal if something is from Satan or not.

And what are these "conspiracy theories" doing for us?

They are making us think that Biblical prophesy is rapidly unfolding in our times, it is making us excited inside at the prospect of Jehovahs kingdom coming for "when you see these things occurring, hold yourself erect for you know your deliverance is getting near".
All these things we feel are positive to our Christian hopes, better than many who do not see things occuring as the society said it would and maybe fall away through a lack of faith.

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'>"Better to see what&#39;s coming than to not know who the enemy is (besides Satan) and what their ultimate goals are."


[b][i]Hello “Back to Basics”, Welcome from olrono. If I may ask, do you go by the name “Donbodo” on another site?</span>

[olrono]

I have to bring up an important point here. When we hear someone who is talking about “lizard men” or “reptilians,” to you, this just sounds like “crazy talk”. But, Brother “Back to Basics”, those who are in the know around here, know a “dis-information artist” when we see them, for this really is referring to the “original serpent”, as in the Garden of Eden. And those “reptilians’ are followers of the secret societies who believe in what they call the “Luciferian Doctrine”, and who worship Lucifer, who was talking through the snake in the garden of Eden.

[BackToBasics]

Hello olrono . No i am not donbodo . I imagine you ask because donbodo might have similar views?

I wonder who "those in the know around here" really are? How do they know? Have you met them face to face? Are they who they say they are? What proof or evidence is there really that the world is structered in the way these theorys assert?

I prefer the black and white certanty of the scriptures I listed in my last post as a guide rather than saying that this person or that person is worse than I or they worship Satan when i have not even got to know them rather than beleive what alot of people write on the internet whom I have never met .

[stayawake]

Quote from Back to Basics &#39;&#39;((Sounds so similar to what many seem to be getting rapped up in including many Christians that it could be viewed as un spiritual at the least and even idolatry at the worse end of the spectrum &#39;&#39;.QUOTE)&#39;

B2B I agree with you 100 %. It can&#39; involve your thinking so bad and actually overtake you to the point that one can forget the connection between that and Satan ,IMHO This tool or distraction is from Satan if we allow it to become Idolitry. This is where balance come in. I really enjoyed your post and do see where your coming from.



Dear Nambo, I also agree with you 100 % as your last par shows us where the balance comes in.

Quote from Nambo"" (And what are these "conspiracy theories" doing for us?

They are making us think that Biblical prophesy is rapidly unfolding in our times, it is making us excited inside at the prospect of Jehovahs kingdom coming for "when you see these things occurring, hold yourself erect for you know your deliverance is getting near".
All these things we feel are positive to our Christian hopes, better than many who do not see things occuring as the society said it would and maybe fall away through a lack of faith.""(unquote)
Love staywake

[olrono]

Hello bro. "Back to Basics". To tell you the truth I am tiered of going back and forth with everone around here. I am only going to say I agree 100% with Brother Watchman&#39;s essays here on e-Watchman.com. For he has explained our views better than we have or ever could. Sometimes I try to say something, and like no ones seems to get it? So, it&#39;s better I let the one&#39;s who really can do this do it for us, and he has done all this good work, and I think we should be discussing that. Agape, olrono
P.S. If you really think you should be looking at "more Spiritiual matters", you are welcome to answer to my "sharpenning our Swords" thread. Because if you think you know all this already, remember a house holder could bring this up to you tomorrow and it would be good to have your "sword" sharp!

[Jeshurun]

I&#39;ll give you all an example of what I feel are the benefits of looking into the conspiracy plans.

As regards our little spiritual paradise here in the USA, where we are taught by the Watchtower that we will experience some "tribulation" and be rescued by Armageddon, we are also taught in the Bible the following things:

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31:10</sup> "Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, &#39;For the reason that you became high in stature, so that it put its treetop even among the clouds and its heart became exalted because of its height, ¹¹ I shall also give it into the hand of the despot of [the] nations. Without fail he will act against it. According to its wickedness I will drive it out. ¹² And strangers, the tyrants of [the] nations, will cut it down, and people will abandon it upon the mountains; and in all the valleys its foliage will certainly fall, and its branches will be broken among all the streambeds of the earth.

<span style="font-family:Verdana">Quite powerful words, to be sure. But are Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses being taught in the Kingdom Halls what this really means? That is in essence one of the purposes of this site. Now let&#39;s examine history a bit.

The oligarchs made a statement on November 22, 1963 when John F. Kennedy was assassinated. First off, their Fed Reserve didn&#39;t appreciate JFK printing out 5 billion dollars worth of US notes. The day after he died they were retracted and burned. Secondly, they wanted Castro in power, for two reasons: One, they like dictatorships, not democracies. Second, they needed a launching base for their future invasion of the southeast US. Their plan is for a Sino-Soviet-Muslim invasion from all sides. It has been reported that Cuba is filled with stockpiles of weapons and vehicles hidden in tunnels throughout the mountainsides. It is a matter of history that the orders of JFK were defied and air cover was not provided for the ground troops of Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs Invasion. Otherwise it should have easily ousted Castro.

Other reasons for JFK&#39;s death were his efforts to end the Vietnam War (the oligarchs love war) and his intention to break up the CIA.

If there is something spiritually wrong with seeking this type of information, please let me know.

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[BackToBasics]

Interesting though the above may be it wont save anyone at the end of the day . Its faith and works that will do that . At the end of the day the new system might not arive for another hundred years and 1963 will be irelevent. The UN might not in fact be anything connected with Revelation . The two horned beast might not be the USA and UK . Could just as easyly be Europe and the USA or something else that might happen in the next 100 years . What about global warming? What about the rapid increase in the muslim faith being about the same numbers of belivers as Cristians?
Does Revelation and Daniel touch on these possibilities? Perhaps.

Its a good thing to think about these things but there are alot more importand things regarding faith to keep an eye on.

One thing to bare in mind about these conspiracy idears is they often target certain groups . The Jews are normally the fav target . Its interesting how these oligarchs and Bankers are mostly Jewish isnt it.

Of course JW`s were also a target of Mr Hitler because he thought they had a rival ideaology to his own . Makes one question where these theorys really come from . If in the full stream of time these idears result in another mad man trying the clense the earth of evil secret groups of people who of course have been the real reason man had been held back then we will only have ourselves to blame when the mad mans armys come for us because we will have helped lay the ground work for the wave of support that might prepell such a future leader to the front of human government.
If this happened as it did in Hitlers case might this represent the man of lawlesness or the antichrist?

The more things change the more they stay the same . Its all in History. Of course an acurate grasp of history not ones created like Hitler did about the Jews.

Of course if we stop joining in with the acusations that the world makes then we will not be part of the world when Christ returns and may just be protected when those armys do arrive on the world scene .

[olrono]

Interesting though the above may be it wont save anyone at the end of the day . Its faith and works that will do that . At the end of the day the new system might not arive for another hundred years and 1963 will be irelevent. The UN might not in fact be anything connected with Revelation . The two horned beast might not be the USA and UK . Could just as easyly be Europe and the USA or something else that might happen in the next 100 years . What about global warming? What about the rapid increase in the muslim faith being about the same numbers of belivers as Cristians?
Does Revelation and Daniel touch on these possibilities? Perhaps.

Its a good thing to think about these things but there are alot more importand things regarding faith to keep an eye on.

One thing to bare in mind about these conspiracy idears is they often target certain groups . The Jews are normally the fav target . Its interesting how these oligarchs and Bankers are mostly Jewish isnt it.

Of course JW`s were also a target of Mr Hitler because he thought they had a rival ideaology to his own . Makes one question where these theorys really come from . If in the full stream of time these idears result in another mad man trying the clense the earth of evil secret groups of people who of course have been the real reason man had been held back then we will only have ourselves to blame when the mad mans armys come for us because we will have helped lay the ground work for the wave of support that might prepell such a future leader to the front of human government.
If this happened as it did in Hitlers case might this represent the man of lawlesness or the antichrist?

The more things change the more they stay the same . Its all in History. Of course an acurate grasp of history not ones created like Hitler did about the Jews.

Of course if we stop joining in with the acusations that the world makes then we will not be part of the world when Christ returns and may just be protected when those armys do arrive on the world scene .[/b]

And we could be like those three little apes, “speak no evil, see no evil, hear no evil”.

[Kenneth]

"We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." (David Rockefeller)





Sums it up nicely

[Nambo]

Interesting though the above may be it wont save anyone at the end of the day . Its faith and works that will do that . At the end of the day the new system might not arive for another hundred years and 1963 will be irelevent. The UN might not in fact be anything connected with Revelation . The two horned beast might not be the USA and UK . Could just as easyly be Europe and the USA or something else that might happen in the next 100 years . What about global warming? What about the rapid increase in the muslim faith being about the same numbers of belivers as Cristians?
Does Revelation and Daniel touch on these possibilities? Perhaps.

Its a good thing to think about these things but there are alot more importand things regarding faith to keep an eye on.

One thing to bare in mind about these conspiracy idears is they often target certain groups . The Jews are normally the fav target . Its interesting how these oligarchs and Bankers are mostly Jewish isnt it.

Of course JW`s were also a target of Mr Hitler because he thought they had a rival ideaology to his own . Makes one question where these theorys really come from . If in the full stream of time these idears result in another mad man trying the clense the earth of evil secret groups of people who of course have been the real reason man had been held back then we will only have ourselves to blame when the mad mans armys come for us because we will have helped lay the ground work for the wave of support that might prepell such a future leader to the front of human government.
If this happened as it did in Hitlers case might this represent the man of lawlesness or the antichrist?

The more things change the more they stay the same . Its all in History. Of course an acurate grasp of history not ones created like Hitler did about the Jews.

Of course if we stop joining in with the acusations that the world makes then we will not be part of the world when Christ returns and may just be protected when those armys do arrive on the world scene .[/b]

You may be right Back to basics, maybe Gods Kingdom is another 1000 years away?

Then again might you be guilty of :- " 3 (http://) For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 (http://) and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”

You know, in the early days of Hitlers conspiracy to take control of Germany and then conquer Europe, there where many German political and Military leaders who could see what was happening and went to the West to beg help to stop Hitler whose personal army far exceeded the regular army, limited as it was by the treaty of versith (sic). Maybe a lot of lives could have been saved if people had listened to these "conspiracy therists"

The whole Jehovahs Witness organisation is pretty much based on Jesus second coming and that people must be warned that we are in the last days, hence we spend a lot of time knocking on peoples doors showing them Matt 24 and " Timothy 3, I guess you disagree with this practise as well?, for what is the differance with that to what we do?

There are also those of us here who like to belive that at the last hour, anybody who refuses to worship the wild beast and except the mark of the wild beast might be saved by Jehovah even if they havnt buily up a lifetime of faith and goodworks, for if they dont give themselves in this way to Satan, maybe Jehovah can still claim them and to put them right in the New System.

Now, with this in mind, you might allready have a fine relationship with God that you can fine tune in order to be truly ready for salveation, but there are about 6 billuion people still out there, people who arent all wicked, but are being mislead by the lies and decipt of those who serve Satan.

It is to these people we are trying to say, dont belive what your governmnets are telling you, dont belive that the UN and the NWO are the solution to mankinds problems, we are saying right now, these are Satanic lies, dont belive in them.

Now I wonder what your motives are Back to Basics, that you would rather we hid our lamp under a bushell and let the people go on beliving everything that Satans minions tell them?

[Berean]

I can see what BackToBasics is trying to say (in fact, it&#39;s in his very name). Of course he does not mean that we should just give up preaching the gospel, but that we should focus more on the positive aspects instead of all the political stuff that we can&#39;t change anyway. The end of the world could come tomorrow, or in 100 years, but what will hold us over until then are faith, hope, and above all, love (1 Corinthians 13:13). We should above all work on the things that really matter, for instance what is written in Micah 6:8. Jesus himself always spoke about love, but he didn&#39;t mention secret societies, as far as I&#39;m aware. If we are supposed to indulge in these matters, wouldn&#39;t you think Jehovah would have had those things written down in the Bible? No indeed, our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the invisible governments in heaven (Ephesians 6:12). Ultimately, they are the ones pulling the strings (Daniel 10:13 gives us an interesting insight in how the real puppeteers are Satan and his minions). What I&#39;m trying to say is, we should preach the gospel first and foremost, show people that God loved the world so much he even gave his Son (John 3:16), and that we only need to reach out for him and he will be there (James 4:8).

[Jeshurun]

If we are supposed to indulge in these matters, wouldn&#39;t you think Jehovah would have had those things written down in the Bible?[/b]

How could he write these things in the Bible without spilling the beans to his enemies? And Jesus did say we would need wisdom and intelligence to calculate the number of the beast, didn&#39;t he? Sorry the Bible is great but its prophecies need to be lined up against world events.

I have a feeling that it&#39;s fear that causes brothers and sisters to react this way. Here&#39;s some good reading:

http://e-watchman.com/commentaries/see-you...-terrified.html (http://e-watchman.com/commentaries/see-you-are-not-terrified.html)

[BackToBasics]

Jeshurun may I ask what you calculate the number of the beast to be or mean?

[Jeshurun]

I have posted about that on the "7 Times of Daniel" thread and other threads, I believe it is a man&#39;s number, the future despot who will preach the "Luciferian Doctrine".

[BackToBasics]

I supose I will have to track down and read that thread . What happends if it turns out that the NWO itself turns out to be a properganda machine from Satan in order to fool if possible even the chosen ones? Perhaps the real counterfelt kingdom will be after . After all the league of nations died.

[Steadfast]

Dear Brother Nambo and Everyone,

Brother Nambo said: &#39;There are also those of us here who like to belive that at the last hour, anybody who refuses to worship the wild beast and except the mark of the wild beast might be saved by Jehovah even if they havnt buily up a lifetime of faith and goodworks, for if they dont give themselves in this way to Satan, maybe Jehovah can still claim them and to put them right in the New System.&#39;

When we read Revelation, it is truly amazing how narrow Jehovah made the requirement for surviving Armageddon, which means: Don&#39;t take the mark of the beast:

Revelation 14:9 - &#39;If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and received a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, he will also drink of the wind of the anger of God.....and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur.&#39;

That means that doctrines really play no part in this requirment for salvation, but being able to identify the wild beast and its false prophet does.

While many on this discussion board get uncomfortable with these discussions, this knowledge may very well end up &#39;saving&#39; you in the end.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[BackToBasics]

So what then is the point of a new outpouring of the holy spirit?

[Steadfast]

Dear BackToBasics,

Good question. :188:

If the outpouring of the holy spirit is the key, then why bother to identify the wild beast and its false prophet? This makes the information in Revelation concerning the entities irrelevant.

Revelation is written in ambigous terms…signs for Christians, but it will be up to each person living on the planet during the tribulation to discern and make a decision concerning the worship of the wild beast and its image, whether they understand the meaning or not. This decision couldn&#39;t just involve Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, otherwise, only JWs would be inline for judgment at Armageddon as to the choice they made.

The real question is: What is the outpouring of the holy spirit for? Revelation 11 gives a clue.


Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Steadfast]

Another point I wanted to make is that when the WT watered down the identity of the United Nations to cover their despicable adulterous behavior, they removed ALL protection that JWs have for identifying who the beast really is. Notice what they said in 1995:

Amended Watchtower view of the UN:

Watchtower of October 1st, 1995 – A World Without War—When?

"In Bible prophecy, human government are often symbolized by wild beasts. (Daniel 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22) Hence, for many decades the Watchtower magazine has identified the wild beasts of Revelation chapters 13 and 17 with today&#39;s worldly governments.

This includes the United Nations, which is depicted in Revelation chapter 17 as a scarlet-colored beast with seven heads and ten horns.

"However, this Scriptural position does not condone any form of disrespect toward governments or their officials. The Bible clearly states: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves." Romans 13:1, 2.

"Accordingly, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, who are maintaining strict political neutrality, do not interfere with human governments. They never foment revolution or participate in acts of civil disobedience. Rather, they recognize that some form of government is necessary to maintain law and order in human society. Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1.

"Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God&#39;s permission.

In harmony with the Bible, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses render due respect to all governments and obey them as long as such obedience does not require that they sin against God. - Acts 5:29."

Contrast this with some older quotes from WT literature:

"...Jehovah&#39;s witnesses recognize the United Nations as disgusting to God..." (The Watchtower 3/1/67 p. 157)

"...&#39;the disgusting thing that causes desolation&#39;...is the United Nations." (Kingdom Ministry 8/94 p. 5-6)

"[The UN] is really a &#39;conspiracy,&#39; yes, a conspiracy against the precious interests of God&#39;s Kingdom by Christ." (The Watchtower 12/15/83 p. 22)

"The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God&#39;s Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ" (Revelation book p. 248-51)

"The UN is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth. (The Watchtower 9/1/87 p. 20)

"The United Nations organization today. It is the same as the &#39;scarlet-colored wild beast&#39; of Revelation chapter 17." (The Watchtower 2/1/79 p. 26)

"[The UN is] &#39;a scarlet-colored wild beast&#39; that is the image of Satan&#39;s bloodstained political system." (Mankind&#39;s Search for God p. 370)

"There it is, the United Nations, acting in defiance of the Prince of Peace, earth&#39;s rightful Ruler, the Lord Jesus Christ..." (The Watchtower 1/15/77 p. 44)

"...anti-Christ schemes for peace such as the organization of the United Nations." (The Watchtower 8/1/56 p. 462-3)

"[The UN serves] as a mouthpiece for satanic propaganda." (The Watchtower 6/15/61 p. 360)

"Satan has his signs and wonders, foremost of which is the United Nations organization with its headquarters in New York City." (The Watchtower 3/1/59 p. 150)

"This substitute, the product of Satan&#39;s jealousy, which is a disgusting thing in God&#39;s sight, which arouses resentment in Jehovah God, which desolates the people&#39;s faith in God&#39;s kingdom and which will eventually cause their destruction, is none other than that scheme of modern man, a world association of nations, first making its appearance as the League of Nations and then as the United Nations organization." (The Watchtower 12/1/52 p. 714)

End quotes.

I have talked with some younger JWs recently who don&#39;t even know what JWs taught in the past concerning the UN.

The Jesuits, by way of the Illuminati, have made it their primary goal to infiltrate ALL religion, including JWs. The whole reason for this is to finally be able to usher in their one-world government, one world-religion.

What we see going on in the WT today seems to be tangible proof that the Jesuits have been very successful in corrupting the congregation.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[olrono]

"Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God&#39;s permission"



there. I won&#39;t comment what it is, let&#39;s see if someone can tell us?

[Jeshurun]

I supose I will have to track down and read that thread . What happends if it turns out that the NWO itself turns out to be a properganda machine from Satan in order to fool if possible even the chosen ones? Perhaps the real counterfelt kingdom will be after . After all the league of nations died.[/b]

Some of us have been saying that the NWO would first appear to be a savior, and most would worship it for that reason, and then halfway through it&#39;s reign it will show it&#39;s true colors. That was the main reason that I feel that the rulership would be 7 years in total. The second 42 months is when things get really ugly, but I&#39;m not stating it as fact, it just makes sense to me and to some others also. There&#39;s no doubt in my mind that many with "insight" will even be fooled. And from what Steadfast has shown us about the Watchtower "amending" it&#39;s teaching (again), they are obviously priming the sheep for the ultimate apostasy.

Just like Bush&#39;s war machine, first comes the rhetoric, then the bombs.

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'>This is really quite a profound statement. I remember when I first heard that and I am surprised no one is commenting on it? Anyway, coming from who I consider a very straight forward brother, I think the word is getting out there and maybe our brothers have a chance to wake up. Just you bringing that up Ken brings tears of joy!

[olrono]

"It would have been quite impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries ..."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg club permanent member, 1991

[stayawake]

Yes, and this Major Crisis will be started by man, the plants are already in action.
Does one really believe that all these events taken place in the airports are just happenings !!
I believe its testing the public ,. to see how far obedience can go&#39;
Either that or to bankrupt the airlines.
Listened to a tape today and pastors are being encouraged to direct their congs to RO 13.
The reason given is the flock will take direction from a spititual leader. The pastors( according to the one being intrviewed) that will cooperate with the goverment will be put on the payroll.
One movement they want in action is for the pastors to encouage the chiken flu vaccine. So you go figure.
Yep, that NWO is already laying its foundation, all we need is the ousting of Satan, and then the death stroke mentioned in Rev.( I don&#39;t know which comes first ).
love stayawake

[Molly]

Good Morning All-

The important thing about understanding the world conspiracy with regard to Rom. 13 is that the subjection to the authorities is a "relative" subjection. We still need to be aware that "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." Sure, we go along with the laws as far as we can, but there will come a time when we have to take a stand for Jehovah and refuse to worship the image of the beast. We have to draw the line in the sand. After all, the beast only has his rule due to Jehovah allowing it and he will only keep it until Jehovah says enough.

None of that interferes with our ability to learn what Satan&#39;s plan is. We are not in opposition to Satan&#39;s plan because Jehovah is allowing Satan to do this to chastise his people to the proper degree. When that&#39;s done, then there will be no longer be any reason to keep him or his government around and he will be removed. Understanding what Satan objectives are in no way interferes with our subjection or our honor for the king.

All the governments that have existed have been run by Satan. Even Israel succombed to Satan&#39;s influence half the time. So, a government run by Satan is nothing new. It&#39;s just that this one will be the worst. All we can do is keep a low profile and mind our "p&#39;s" and "q&#39;s," knowing that his time is limited.

Molly

[stayawake]

Good morning Molly,
yep, all of mankind will be faced with THAT BIG choice of ""WHO do we belong. ""
In the meantime there will be mandatory laws thet have nothing to do with our worship. Such as martial laws demanding our submitting to their rule, so lets not kid our selves, we will be set up to be molded or else.
Don&#39;t think it cant or wont happen, its already taken place in the WT, it will be so sutle that one may feel we are under the rule of Big Uncle.
Look at the threat of a liquid bomb alarm possibly being made on a plane.a few months ago. How easy it was to have everyone empty all there liquids,in the trash. some being costly perfumes. makeup. shaving creme , shampoos. This was a LAST minute order but the FEAR threw them into obedience.One had the choice of leaving or submitting and boarding the plane.The choice was theirs. Its always easy to take the road of least resistence. Less stressful, thats the whole idea.
WE are going to be forced to bend with the NWO,way before THAT final demand. Be prepared, its all down hill from here on in.
Dont even say THINK possitive, as that is not going to change any thing, this fits in with Gods purpose. The only possitve thing for those that are good in heart,is we know that our strenghth is our knowing that GODS KINGDOM IS NEAR, and JAh has everything in control for those that love him.
There will be a way out. Those that endure to the end will be saved, which in some cases may be in the resurrection. WE must face reality. Jesus did say, ""Unless those days were shortened NO flesh would be saved "
love stayawake

[Jeshurun]

From 911exposed.org

Rumsfeld changed shoot-down directive on June 1, 2001:

The set of procedures for responding to hijackings were changed.

The 1997 procedures provided a clear way for the military to respond to an emergency such as a hijacking. But, Rumsfeld went ahead and changed directive in June 2001! He muddied the waters when he introduced the CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION J-3 CJCSI 3610.01A. The objective of the June 1st, 2001 directive was to place the decision making power — in the specific case of a hijacking — into the hands of the Secretary of Defense. This is repeated in multiple paragraphs:

<span style="font-family:Arial">c. Military Escort Aircraft</span>

(1) When notified that military escort aircraft are needed in conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO, NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or USELEMNORAD to determine if suitable aircraft are available and forward the request to the Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance with DODD 3025.15, paragraph D.7 (reference d). (http://911exposed.org/Directive.htm#_edn1) [Empasis added. See Appendix for the complete CJCSI 3610.01A.]

Any response to a suspected hijack would require the [i]pre-approval of the Secretary of Defense.



<span style="font-family:Arial">Previous directives were issued in 1997, 1986 and before, there were standing orders to the military as to how to respond to hijackings over United States.

<div align="center">AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS</div>
b. Support.

When notified that military assistance is needed in conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO, NMCC, will:

(1) Determine whether or not the assistance needed is reasonably available from police or commercial sources. If not, the DDO, NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or NORAD to determine if suitable assets are available and will forward the request to the Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance with DODD 3025.15, paragraph D.7 (reference d).¹⁰⁶(See Appendix for the complete CJCSI 3610.01A)

The usage of the word approval is the major change here to the existing hijacking response procedures. While the text of the document tries to link this "approval" to the previous orders "DODD 3025.15," the approval is now required before providing any assistance at all. Previously, approval only would be required-to respond with lethal force.



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[Jeshurun]

Here is an open letter from Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator who tried in vain to warn the American people of the upcoming danger of what turned out to be 9/11, and what she has been through, not only being fired, but repeatedly threatened and gagged. What does she have to gain from this, fame? Please read, and judge for yourselves.

<div align="center">Gagged, But Not Dead</div>
<div align="center">By Sibel Edmonds </div>
The Appeal Court&#39;s decision on Sibel Edmonds&#39; Case is out: &#39;Case Dismissed;&#39; no opinion cited; no reason provided. The Court&#39;s decision, issued on Friday, May 6, has generated a string of obituaries; "another major blow, maybe the last one, to Sibel Edmonds, a woman who has faced an unprecedented level of government secrecy, gag orders, and classification." Well, dear friends and supporters, Sibel Edmonds may be gagged, but she&#39;s not dead.

On October 18, 2002; three months after I filed my suit against the Department of Justice for unlawful termination of my employment caused by my reporting criminal activities committed by government officials and employees, John Ashcroft, the then Attorney General, invoked a rarely invoked privilege, the State Secrets Privilege. According to Ashcroft, everything involving my case and my allegations were considered state secrets, and whether or not I was right in my allegations, the United States District Court had to dismiss my entire case without any questions, hearings or oral argument; period. According to Ashcroft, the court had to grant his order and dismiss the entire case with no hearings solely based on the fact that he, Ashcroft, said so. After all, our government knew best. As of that day, my case came to be gagged; but I continued on.

In April 2004, after attorneys for a large group of 9/11 family members subpoenaed my deposition, the then Attorney General, John Ashcroft, made his next move: He invoked the state secrets privilege for the second time, and this time, he designated my place of birth, date of birth, my mother tongue, my father tongue, my university background, and my previous employments all State Secrets, Top Secret Classified, and matters of the highest level national security. Let&#39;s see, based on this new ruling and designation by our ironically named Justice Department, my passport would be considered a &#39;top secret&#39; document since it contains my place of birth, information considered state secrets. According to our government officials my Virginia driving license would be considered a &#39;Top Secret&#39; document, since it contains my date of birth, information considered state secrets and classified. Well, heck, even my resume would be considered &#39;Top Secret&#39; since it contains my linguistic credentials and my degrees. As of that day, I officially became a notoriously gagged whistleblower; but I continued on.

In May 2004, two years after two ranking senators (bipartisan) had publicly, and in public records and documents, announced me credible and my case and allegations confirmed and supported, the emboldened then Attorney General, struck again. This time, he, John Ashcroft, decided to gag the entire Congress on anything that had to with Sibel Edmonds and her case. He ordered two ranking senators to take everything referring to me off their websites; he ordered them to consider all documents and letters related to my case &#39;Top Secret,&#39; and he commanded that they, the Congress, shut their mouth on any issue that in any way referred or related to me. Our senators obliged, disregarding the principles of the separation of powers, not honoring the United States Constitution, and not respecting their own prestige and status. As of that day, the United States Congress became officially gagged on Sibel Edmonds; but I continued on.

In June 2004, the United States District Court bowed to his highness, representative of our Executive Branch, John Ashcroft, and announced its decision to no longer honor the Constitution as it relates to citizens&#39; right to due process: it dismissed the case and excused itself from providing any real explanation, due to any possible explanation, or lack of explanation, being classified as &#39;Top Secret,&#39; and &#39;State Secrets.&#39; Our court system too was not willing to stand up for its authority and its separation from the executive branch. In other words, the District Court willingly allowed itself to be gagged; but I continued on.

In July 2004, after two years of unexplained foot dragging, the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, announced its long over due investigation of Sibel Edmonds&#39; case complete and issued its report. The further empowered and emboldened then Attorney General stepped in on that same day and gagged his own Inspector General&#39;s findings and report by classifying the entire report as secret. The so called independent investigatory entity, the Inspector General, wrapped and duct taped its report, bowed, and left the scene now that it was formally and officially gagged on my case; but I continued on.

On April 21, 2005, for the first time in these three gagged years, my attorneys and I finally had, or thought we had, our day in court for our hearing before Appellate Court Judges. Just hours before our hearing, these judges issued an unexpected ruling, barring all reporters and the public from the courtroom for the Edmonds&#39; Case hearing. Numerous media related entities tried to flex their lately weakened muscles and filed their motion to oppose this ruling. The judges denied their motion, and cited no reason; when asked for a reason they responded that they didn&#39;t have to provide any reason. Everyone was kicked out of the courtroom; except for me, my attorneys, and the large troop of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All the doors to the courtroom were locked and guards were placed in front of each door to watch out for eavesdroppers. Then came the next shock: after bypassing our brief, asking a couple of puzzling and irrelevant questions, and allowing my attorneys 10 minutes or so of response, the Appellate judges asked my attorneys and me (the plaintiff) to leave the courtroom, so that the government attorneys could secretly answer questions and make their argument. The guards escorted us, the plaintiff, out, locked the doors, and stood there in front of the courtroom and watched us for about fifteen minutes. So much for finally having my day in court; here I was, with my attorneys, standing outside the courtroom and being guarded, while in there, three judges were having a cozy mingling session with a large troop of government attorneys. Then, it was over; that was it; we were told to leave. In other words, my attorneys and I were barred from being present in our own court hearing, and my case remained covered up and gagged; but I continued on.

On May 6, two weeks after the Kafkaesque court procedure, my attorneys and I were given the verdict: The lower court&#39;s decision was upheld, meaning my entire case, whether or not we had an Inspector General&#39;s Report that confirmed my allegations, whether or not we had several congressional letters confirming my case and my allegations, was prevented from proceeding in court due to some unspecified &#39;State Secrets,&#39; and unexplained secrecy that applied to everything that had to do with me and my case; which were so secret that even the judges could not hear or see. In fact, the Appellate judges in my case did not cite any opinion or reason, because even the opinion itself would have been considered secret. Doesn&#39;t this mean that the Appellate court and these three judges were in effect gagged? It appears so, but I will continue on.

In the past three years, I have been threatened; I have been gagged several times; I have continuously been prevented from pursuing my due process; all reports and investigations looking into my case have been classified; and every governmental or investigative authority dealing with my case has been shut up. According to legal experts familiar with my case, the level of secrecy and classification in my court case and the attitudes and handling of the court system in dealing with my case is unprecedented in the entire U.S. court history. According to other experts I am one of the most, if not the most, gagged woman anybody knows of or has heard of. Why?

Those of you who still think this case, my case, is about covering up some administrative blunder or bureaucratic mismanagement, please think again.

Those of you who may think that my Kafkaesque case, the unprecedented secrecy, is due to some justified and official higher reasons, please think again.

Those of you who may think that our government, our entrusted leaders, may have an ongoing investigation of criminals involved, please think again.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Justice, in its &#39;unclassified report,&#39; has confirmed my core allegations. What were those core allegations, and who did they involve? Not only some low-level terrorist or terrorist organization; not only some &#39;maybe&#39; critical foreign entities. No; trust me; they would not go to this length to protect some nobody criminal or terrorist.

It is way past time for a little bit of critical thinking. The Attorney General cites two reasons to justify the unconstitutional and panic driven assault on me and my case. Reason one: To protect certain diplomatic relations - not named since obviously our officials are ashamed of admitting to these relations. Reason two: To protect certain U.S. foreign business relations. Let&#39;s take each one and dissect it (I have given up on our mass media to do that for us!). For reason one, since when is the Department of Justice, the FBI, in the business of protecting &#39;US sensitive diplomatic relations?&#39; They appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the Department of State. Now, that&#39;s one entity that has strong reasons to cover up, for its own self, what will end up being a blunder of mammoth scale. Not internationally; not really; it is the American people and their outrage they must be worried about; they wouldn&#39;t want to have a few of their widely recognized officials being held criminally liable; would they?

As for reason two, I can assure you that the U.S. foreign business relations they may be referring to are not among those that benefit the majority of the American people; a handful of MIC entities and their lobbying arms can by no means be considered that, can they? In fact, the American people, their national safety and security, and their best interests are being sacrificed for a handful of those with their foreign business interest. Also, since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder? If you want to have the answers to these questions, please approach your Congress and ask your representatives for hearings - not behind closed doors quasi hearings - but open, public hearings where these questions can be asked and answered.

And lastly, for those of you who may think that since I have been gagged and stopped by almost all available official channels, I must be ready to vaporize into thin air, please think again. I am gagged, but not dead; not yet.

[Jeshurun]

NYPD Officer Heard Building 7 Bombs
"The whole time you&#39;re hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think I know an explosion when I hear it" <div align="left">Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Saturday, February 10, 2007

Following our reports this week about three different ground zero rescue workers who all testified that they were told Building 7 was to be brought down, yet more revealing testimony has come to light - this time from a former NYPD officer and first responder, who states that he clearly heard bombs tear down Building 7 as he ran away from its collapse.

NYPD officer Craig Bartmer awoke on 9/11 to images of the World Trade Center burning. Knowing colleagues who worked inside the towers, he immediately headed for ground zero to help with the rescue efforts. He is now suffering from respiratory illnesses as a result of the toxic dust inhaled at the site. Bartmer was in the immediate vicinity of Building 7 before its collapse at approximately 5:20pm.

BARTMER: "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn&#39;t sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There&#39;s a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn&#39;t see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don&#39;t know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don&#39;t know -- but it&#39;s the truth."

BARTMER: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn&#39;t see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn&#39;t hear any... I didn&#39;t hear any creaking, or... I didn&#39;t hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming &#39;get away, get away, get away from it!&#39;... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the (bleep)&#39;s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you&#39;re hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they&#39;re saying... Nothing to account for what we saw... I am shocked at the story we&#39;ve heard about it to be quite honest."

Later in the film, Bartmer highlights the possibility that the attack was run from Building 7, as former German technology minister Andreas von Buelow has also postulated, and that it was then demolished to destroy the evidence.

BARTMER: "If the means and the motive are they where would they pull it off from? The Office of Emergency Management was in Building 7. That was a hardened bunker built to withstand just about anything that New York would face. That building had a lot of important (bleep) in it and there was enough stuff in that building to bury evidence on other fronts - financial records, government records. There&#39;s no way that that just fell down on its own, I don&#39;t believe it."

Elsewhere in the interview Bartmer states his incredulity at how fast the Building 7 site was cleaned up compared to the rest of ground zero. He dismisses the 9/11 commission report as a farce and demands a new real investigation.

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[clay]

Everytime I turn check into this thread, I learn a new item or slant that is a bigger stunner than the last. Do not have the time to do the investigation that you diligent ones have been doing, so this is to thank you again, for your efforts. You are given me the ride of my life. There are too many pieces, feel I&#39;m coming in so late in the game...this stuff is freakin me out. So what do you do about it besides know about it. Are there other religions that have sites similiar? that are in the know about this NWO stuff? How well known is this conspiracy theory stuff? Taken your original suggestion, Nambo, and googled a lot on your list, but its still coming hard n&#39; fast and stunning. These eyes, they see things different now. Is there a way to print out the entire thread without cut n paste each comment? Want to save it for others, slip it to some anonomously, have it to explain, reread ...You have my gratitude. Think you are doing a great service. Can&#39;t believe majority don&#39;t/aren&#39;t/can&#39;t, see/hear/belive this, now that Im sorta clued in. Especially appreciate how y&#39;all tie in Scriptures and prophecies. Fast becoming a Believer. Just adds up.
Are there any specific steps any of you have/are taking to prepare for things down the short road?
thanks again, clay

[Jeshurun]

So what do you do about it besides know about it. Are there other religions that have sites similiar? that are in the know about this NWO stuff? How well known is this conspiracy theory stuff? Taken your original suggestion, Nambo, and googled a lot on your list, but its still coming hard n&#39; fast and stunning. These eyes, they see things different now. Is there a way to print out the entire thread without cut n paste each comment? Want to save it for others, slip it to some anonomously, have it to explain, reread ...Are there any specific steps any of you have/are taking to prepare for things down the short road?[/b]

Hi Clay
This isn&#39;t even the tip of the iceberg. These are only a couple out of hundreds of people directly involved with 9/11 who have tried or are trying to speak out. The pilot of flight 77 that supposedly hit the Pentagon, Charles S. Burlingame, had a daughter who was relentlessly investigating his death. She was killed in a suspicious arson fire in her apartment a year or two ago. I will try to google the article and put it up. Like I said, tip of the iceberg. What people don&#39;t realize is that more than half the people in America now believe that the US Government was either criminally complicit, or directly involved in the attacks of 9/11, and the neocons are feeling the pressure. My feeling is that they will pull off Phase II of "Order Out of Chaos" before 9/11 gets a chance to blow up. At that time, the people who are aware of 9/11 will also be highly suspicious of the devastating destruction of probably 2 or 3 American cities. In my opinion, they already used weather control to wipe out New Orleans, and then smugly displayed their arrogant hatred of poor blacks before the world.

The subject, as I said, is very emotional for me because when I realized 9/11 smelled fishy, and then found all this out, and subsequently found e-Watchman in the process, I realized that 9/11 was a gigantic turning point in the drive for a New World Order, and more importantly, in prophecy.

You asked what we can do with this information, besides just know it, but you answered your own question. The thing to do is enlighten others. They cannot trust this government, or any government. They must be aware that these events have been used to promote their oligarch agenda, which is slavedom, elimination of freedom, and the devotion of our souls. Freedom is the very thing that so many millions have fought and died for in just this country alone. To me it&#39;s a huge difference, knowing that they pulled this off. It&#39;s the difference between "protection" and "extortion". It&#39;s knowing that your own government is out to turn you away from your own Creator, it&#39;s knowing that the person that is trying to kill you is your alleged protector, not the boogeyman on the other side of the world, hiding in some cave. How about this: I would feel much safer with bin Laden staying in my guest room, than any single member of Bush&#39;s cabinet, or any member of the US Congress.

I will continue with the articles from time to time, because whenever I try to express it for myself around here, I get shot down like Flight 93. So I will take their advice, show them the evidence so they can decide for themselves, until one day they hopefully get it. It is my heartfelt, gut feeling, that the difference between knowing of the 9/11 atrocities and not knowing, will turn out to be crucial in future decision-making, because if THEY want you to believe it was pulled off by 19 bozos with box-knives, then it is without a doubt a part of their TRAP. As I said, we&#39;ll see how it plays out, after the next disaster, which will be 1000 times worse.

There is widespread knowledge of the NWO all over the world, as we see on the internet. There is also a growing awareness among other religions, and if you ask me, when I see Muslims on the other side of the world portraying the US President to be an agent of Satan, it makes me believe that they also have a great degree of insight. Fact: 90 percent of Muslims outside the US believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

Preparing for the short term, I have taken steps to get my financial affairs in order, and eliminate debt wherever possible. When the banks crash, your money is gone. Try to stock non-perishables and bottled water to get yourself and your family through a few months. If you live in a cold winter climate, get a wood burning stove if you don&#39;t have a fireplace, and stock some firewood. Everything will happen at once, including widespread blackouts. Keep a Bible hidden, and keep your computer&#39;s weblogs as clear as possible. The days are coming when these websites subversive to the government will be blocked, as they already do on AOL (notice the pyramid and eye of Horus in their logo), and in some other parts of the world. Try to print hardcopy of Watchman&#39;s writings and keep it wherever you hide your Bible. Also try to back up all your files on CD-rom.

I&#39;m glad your enjoying the ride Clay. Hopefully this helps you as it does me, strengthening my faith that Jehovah is aware of all these lies and making me aware too, because the trickery and deception that is coming cannot be underestimated.

Agape
Lou

[Jeshurun]

Here&#39;s the article, plain as day in the New York Post:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062006/news/...ia_r__fagen.htm (http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062006/news/regionalnews/9_11_kin_horror_regionalnews_jeane_macintosh_and_c ynthia_r__fagen.htm)

[olrono]

Good Morning All-

The important thing about understanding the world conspiracy with regard to Rom. 13 is that the subjection to the authorities is a "relative" subjection. We still need to be aware that "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." Sure, we go along with the laws as far as we can, but there will come a time when we have to take a stand for Jehovah and refuse to worship the image of the beast. We have to draw the line in the sand. After all, the beast only has his rule due to Jehovah allowing it and he will only keep it until Jehovah says enough.

None of that interferes with our ability to learn what Satan&#39;s plan is. We are not in opposition to Satan&#39;s plan because Jehovah is allowing Satan to do this to chastise his people to the proper degree. When that&#39;s done, then there will be no longer be any reason to keep him or his government around and he will be removed. Understanding what Satan objectives are in no way interferes with our subjection or our honor for the king.

All the governments that have existed have been run by Satan. Even Israel succombed to Satan&#39;s influence half the time. So, a government run by Satan is nothing new. It&#39;s just that this one will be the worst. All we can do is keep a low profile and mind our "p&#39;s" and "q&#39;s," knowing that his time is limited.

Molly[/b]
That means that what is avenged by man is as if it was by God’s own hand, do you think Jehovah would entrust Satan for this Job? No! For when Government enforces God’s Laws, he is doing the will of God as an avenger for God. That is why the Bible says, “We will obey God rather than men”! When Government, dis- obeys God’s Law, as they are now and actually writing Law against God’s Law as in abortion and homosexuality, then that is why they are deserving of destruction.</span>

We don’t obey them because God “lets them exist” for he lets the Mafia exist, and Hitler exist, and every other tyrannical Government exist, does that mean Jehovah placed them there to be our rulers? No. All men and their Governments have the responsibility to obey God and enforce God’s Law because he gave them his Law. And we know, this won’t happen fully until Christ comes with his Kingdom, and he will surely enforce men to obey Jehovah’s Law. Until that day, “we will obey God rather then men

[BackToBasics]

Olrono You make some good points . I would respectfully disagree with you however that this somehow is justification in taking a stand against the governments . What I mean by that is the indulging is conspiracy theorys to the exstent that we forget what is importand and help cause problems for the currents governments because we wont get praise from them that way. Jehovah is the one who repays . However I take the point that mans Governments are exceptable to God if they try to do good. Im not so sure however about your comments on obortion and homosexuality .

"<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"> Respect everyone, love other believers, honor God, and respect the Emperor.



The Roman Emperors were about as bad as you could get yet Christians were told to honour them . We are lucky that we dont live under the powers that existed in Roman times . Most were arguably mad . The Scripture above says Respect everyone . Is does not say if they are obeying the Moaziac law code or not . This is in line with what Christ said about turning the other cheek . So the same logic would apply i would thing to whatever government we live under . In other words it is not for us to judge these governemts and only honour them if we deem that they are doing Gods will or not . God will do away with all athoritys in time anyway .

So as I said before weather a conspiracy is true or not like in Roman times we should steer clear ,or their sword might come for us one day . The Zealots thought they could expsoe their governments of the day and even directly oppose them . Even though the Romans killed Gods son God still used them to detroy Jerusalem and the Zealots who thought they could make a stand against Gods athoritys and athority.

Might this all happen again as in history ? It might so lets be carefull what we take on board and really beleive is true and how we conduct ourself as a result. I wonder why the "ground" comes to the womans rescue and the remaining ones of her seed? Might perhaps the ground be some government or governments durring the time of the end? Im not saying it is but it is food for thought.

I must add of course that if the government we live under tries to compell us to worship them or some other thing against Gods laws then should avoid obeying them under such circumstances . The principles in the bible is what will protect us from acquiring the mark of the beast when it becomes manifest .Not some secret knowledge of what the government might be up to and if that is relevent then let God reveal it in his own time .

[Jeshurun]

#2, Man only has authority to enforce God&#39;s Law, Not his own! What? You can&#39;t believe that? Take a look at the Scripture, Romans 13: 3, "For those ruling are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad,"[/b]

Hi Ron

The way I understand this is, they are an object of fear if we are breaking the law. If we are not breaking the law, we have no reason to "fear" them, other than just a respectful "fear", in the same sense as we "fear" God.

Whattaya think?

[Jeshurun]

What I mean by that is the indulging is conspiracy theorys to the exstent that we forget what is importand and help cause problems for the currents governments because we wont get praise from them that way.[/b]

B to B, you make many good points in your post, and I agree with you. But please don&#39;t make it sound like anybody is enjoying "indulging" in this stuff, like an ice cream sundae. If you go a few posts up, you can see how on June 1, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld personally took on responsibility for his own negligence on 9/11, when he didn&#39;t answer the bell for almost an hour, while 3,000 people were dying.

I personally have no intention of going against the government, defying the governent, or causing any problems for the government, until they make a demand on me that conflicts with my loyalty to Jehovah. I don&#39;t write what I write to try to inspire some kind of rebellion. I would love to see them all go on trial for murder and high treason, but that probably won&#39;t happen, and I know it. The reason for exposing it is to enlighten people to their wares so as not to be fooled into compromising their faith for fear of their fabricated terrorism. The only terrorism in the world is that which is created and fomented by the ruling elite. So I do it to expose who exactly it is that causes all the trouble in this world, to give everyone a clearer picture as to how Satan actually controls the world, that nothing is haphazard and without direction, it is all planned, co-ordinated, and executed in an orderly fashion, very similar to the "mafia". In fact, the world is one big mafia, with Satan himself as the "Godfather".

Does that mean we have to pay their extortion? Yes it does, until their demands in any way, even subtly, become any form of worship, or adoration, or even praise beyond what should be given to any human ruler.

[BackToBasics]

I agree it seems like common sense . However some do treat this stuff like an ice cream sundae . I feel that with some may even take this to the exstend of idolotry but that is only my view. Mind you what is the point of Christians finding fault with the governments rightly or wrongly if we are not even prepared to vote and get them or whoever out of power? Its a simple waste of time .

As for being fooled into compromising of ones faith I would think this scripture would be relevent .

But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him.


It seems to me that the mark of the beast wont be something that we will be fooled into but an absolute conscious decision .

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'>Olrono You make some good points . I would respectfully disagree with you however that this somehow is justification in taking a stand against the governments . What I mean by that is the indulging is conspiracy theorys to the exstent that we forget what is importand and help cause problems for the currents governments because we wont get praise from them that way. Jehovah is the one who repays . However I take the point that mans Governments are exceptable to God if they try to do good. Im not so sure however about your comments on obortion and homosexuality .

"You asked many good questions, let me answer you this way. Try to imagine the same questions you asked but now you are in the New System, how do you think God’s Government will be enforced then and by whom?

[DoubtingThomas]

Preparing for the short term, I have taken steps to get my financial affairs in order, and eliminate debt wherever possible. When the banks crash, your money is gone. Try to stock non-perishables and bottled water to get yourself and your family through a few months. If you live in a cold winter climate, get a wood burning stove if you don&#39;t have a fireplace, and stock some firewood. Everything will happen at once, including widespread blackouts. Keep a Bible hidden, and keep your computer&#39;s weblogs as clear as possible. The days are coming when these websites subversive to the government will be blocked, as they already do on AOL (notice the pyramid and eye of Horus in their logo), and in some other parts of the world. Try to print hardcopy of Watchman&#39;s writings and keep it wherever you hide your Bible. Also try to back up all your files on CD-rom.



While some may laugh at us for taking such drastic steps as you mentioned above Jeshuran, they are actually very practical and good ideas for all of us to implement. Even e-watchman has made such suggestions in his writings. If nothing else, they would certainly be good ideas in the event of a natural disaster, if not in the event of the outbreak of the GT.

After Katrina I took some of the following steps myself: Purchased a generator (in the event of power outages I can still connect to the Internet and check on my brothers and sisters in this e-congregation of mine), took cash out of my bank account and placed it in a fireproof safe under my home (in the event of bank closures), purchased some precious metals back when gold was only $300/ounce and placed it in my safe (in the event that cash is no longer accepted when the monetary system fails - and of course at some point in time the Bible says people will even be throwing their gold into the streets because of it&#39;s worthlessness), stocked up on a 90 day supply of bottled drinking water and canned good and other non-perishable food, and stocked up on gasoline to run my generator and fuel my automobile. I think these are all good practacle steps EVERYONE should take. I live in an area where we have severe storms causing power outages lasting several days, and road/school/bank/ closures and days where there was no food, bread or milk at the stores, So the above steps have come in handy for me on several occasions already!

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'>#2, Man only has authority to enforce God&#39;s Law, Not his own! What? You can&#39;t believe that? Take a look at the Scripture, Romans 13: 3, "For those ruling are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad,"[/b]

Hi Ron

The way I understand this is, they are an object of fear if we are breaking the law. If we are not breaking the law, we have no reason to "fear" them, other than just a respectful "fear", in the same sense as we "fear" God.

Whattaya think?
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[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Times New Roman">I believe that this situation describes exactly what we have today and believe that we are accountable to Jehovah for it.

[Jeshurun]

<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">I believe that this situation describes exactly what we have today and believe that we are accountable to Jehovah for it. [/b]

Yes dear brother Ron, I understand what you&#39;re saying. But you know as well as I do that since our "founding fathers" were Freemasons, they railroaded the nation from the beginning.

The thing to keep in mind is, regardless of whose fault it is for letting freedom slip away, we should understand that what is happening is ultimately Jehovah&#39;s purpose, to finally overthrow all the devil&#39;s governments. Democracy in America was a good thing while it lasted, and it suited Jehovah&#39;s purpose for a time, not the least of which was providing the freedom to his organization to grow and get the bulk of the preaching work done. America&#39;s lead in democracy was also followed by many nations around the world, allowing the message to get out in those countries also.

You may consider this to be a departure for me, but the more clearly I see things, and when I consider where we are now at the point of being on the threshold of witnessing the return of Christ, I&#39;m being overtaken by a feeling of "bring it on".

Am I nuts? :bieren:

Your brother Lou

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>You mention the Illuminati(Freemasons) again; well here is a theory on that. All the Nations involved with the Revolutionary War knew if The Colonies were to win the war, this would enable the Illuminati to dethrone the dynasty of Kings enabling them to bring about a socialist from of government that would ultimately encompass the world and enable them to take control. This means that they knew we would not be able to keep and retain our freedom for the desire of more government entitlements. And that is exactly what has happened, theory or not! Tell you the truth; I don’t believe anyone even knows what I am talking about? Instead of this being a really interesting thought on the ultimate conclusion of the Old world, I know people here are even wondering if we should even be talking about this. See I believe that I know this issue really well and being raised a JW all my life I know how everyone here doesn’t understand this, so it is only my lack of writing ability that is preventing my thoughts to get here on paper. But to tell you in a "nut shell" when the Government sends out the edict to report to the detention center, the answer is No, we don’t have to go and will not go, and you don’t have to worry your conscience about it.

[Steadfast]

Dear Brother DoubtingThomas,

You said: &#39;I purchased some precious metals back when gold was only $300/ounce and placed it in my safe (in the event that cash is no longer accepted when the monetary system fails - and of course at some point in time the Bible says people will even be throwing their gold into the streets because of it&#39;s worthlessness).&#39;

I&#39;m wondering just how productive it will be to own gold during the tribulation. Using it would certainly make us stand out in the crowd, but I&#39;m also thinking that the reigning world government will probably do what our government has done in the past: Recall all precious metals making it illegal to hold them.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Viking]

that is the object STeadfast. in the US there was a time where it was forbidden by law to own gold. and this time will come again.
There is clear at hand, that the resources are going down - droppings of the grain crops of 60 % in Australia and US/CA.
What do you think will have more value? aurum or wheat?

When they start their bloody war with the great killing to gain the nwo at last, they will shock and awe to all mankind.

and the opposers counterfeit of the kingdom will deman blood for life.

The short time of its lasting will be for us all a long time of endurance.

But let us give confidence into our god who has promised to save his people.

[DoubtingThomas]

Excellent question Steadfast. I purchased the gold a few years ago at the advise of my financial consultant. He felt there was a weakness in my portfolio and that I needed to diversify with more investments in gold and other hard assets and less in stocks & bonds. This turned out to be excellent advise, as gold has since risen considerably as an investment, while stocks have not done as well.



The company I purchased the gold from gave me the option of having them store the gold in a vault back in Washington DC, and sending me a certificate, or sending me the actual 1 oz. Gold bars. I purchased the actual 1 oz. Bars (not only because I wanted to touch, see and feel the gold), but because of something I heard from Mad Money’s Jim Cramer, and read in a book titled “The Coming Collapse Of The Dollar And How To Profit From It” written by James Turk and John Rubino.



Now the authors of this book have no idea that Satan’s entire system is doomed to destruction, but they do foresee (as many other economist do too) the impending disaster ahead for the US dollar when the financial system collapses. After this financial crises hits, there may still be a period of time that we have to deal with merchants in buying and selling, before the entire political and religious systems also fail, and gold may be the only commodity people put trust in at that time. Paper money will be worthless.

But as I said in my post, we recognize that even gold will fail at some point, as Bible prophesy says people will even be throwing gold into the streets at the very end. But if the gold gives me even some small advantage in trading or bartering for goods and services, even for only a brief period of time before the gold becomes worthless, then it will have been a worthwhile endeavor.

[BackToBasics]

I hope the gold you have and use at that period of time if you live to see it doesnt turn you into a target for harm.

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi BacktoBasics. At that time, they can have our gold (at least mine anyway). All worshipers of God will be targets of Satan and the governments in the final days - not only those who might have some gold. Only Jehovah can give Salvation, and if someone places material things (gold) ahead of serving God, then they will likely not make it into the promised New System anyway. But even though our salvation depends on our relationship with God (and not our material wealth or as in my case the lack thereof), it is still prident and wise to do what was suggested by Jeshuran, and take any practical steps that we might be able to do in order to get through those difficult times. It might even help in times of a natural disaster, when the banks are closed, to have access to cash of some kind. If power is out - no ATM machines work either.

[olrono]

that is the object STeadfast. in the US there was a time where it was forbidden by law to own gold. and this time will come again.
There is clear at hand, that the resources are going down - droppings of the grain crops of 60 % in Australia and US/CA.
What do you think will have more value? aurum or wheat?

When they start their bloody war with the great killing to gain the nwo at last, they will shock and awe to all mankind.

and the opposers counterfeit of the kingdom will deman blood for life.

The short time of its lasting will be for us all a long time of endurance.

But let us give confidence into our god who has promised to save his people.[/b]
<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">Please take a look at your selves how you cower at the thought of “having gold” when the government bands it again, when in fact it is the life substance of the people. Remember, we are to obey God rather then men. This is a Fact, I am not “trying to foster rebellion”, the rebellion has already happened with out a shot being fired, and it is this ignorance that has allowed it to happen. I want to know the truth! I want my people not to be ignorant. When the time comes, and I think it will be soon, I want Jehovah’s people to be strong to NOT take the “Mark”, and not be afraid!

[olrono]

"Of course the people don&#39;t want war. But after all, it&#39;s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it&#39;s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it&#39;s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[olrono]

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