Awake! Propaganda

[noname]

AWAKE January 2008

Violence Against Women—A Global Problem
NOVEMBER 25 is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women. This day was recognized by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1999 with a view to raising public awareness of violations of the rights of women. Why was this step deemed necessary?
In many cultures women are viewed and treated as inferior or as second-class citizens. Prejudices against them are deep-rooted. Gender-based violence in all its forms is an ongoing problem, even in the so-called developed world. According to former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, “violence against women is global in reach, and takes place in all societies and cultures. It affects women no matter what their race, ethnicity, social origin, birth or other status may be.”
Radhika Coomaraswamy, former UN Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on violence against women, says that for the vast majority of women, violence against women is “a taboo issue, invisible in society and a shameful fact of life.” Statistics issued by a victimology institution in Holland indicate that 23 percent of women in one South American country, or about 1 in 4, suffer some form of domestic violence. Likewise, the Council of Europe estimates that 1 in 4 European women suffers domestic violence during her lifetime. According to the British Home Office, in England and Wales in one recent year, an average of two women each week were killed by current or former partners. The magazine India Today International reported that “for women across India, fear is a constant companion and rape is the stranger they may have to confront at every corner, on any road, in any public place, at any hour.” Amnesty International describes violence against women and girls as today’s “most pervasive human rights challenge.”
Do the statistics mentioned above reflect God’s attitude toward women? This question will be discussed in the next article.

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Will they not stop?

[TWINKLE]

Are the society still fornicating with the UN? I thought all that business was finished?

[shikinah]

How many times was the word UN mentioned? its almost like there praising them for their findings, and also the mention of amnesty international. Have you got the follow up article?
Its like there slowly introducing the UN into mags and the congregation dont even notice. Before we know it there logo will be a permanent feature. Then when they do quote Romans 13, worshiping the beast will be a transition which will seem normal as we will be doing as the scriptures quote at romans 13 to respect and uphold authority.

Elizabeth

[gertie]

THE WT HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE UN FOR YEARS AND ALTHOUGH THEY ENDED THEIR MEMBERSHIP WITH THEM ON THE 9TH OCTOBER 2001 AS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE STILL WRITING ABOUT THE UN IN A GOOD LIGHT. I'VE TRIED POSTING THE WEB ADDRESS ON HERE THEN CUTTING AND PASTING BUT IT WON'T WORK.
THE WEB ADDRESS I HAVE IS www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdf/watchtower.pdf
IT'S ABOUT THE WATCHTOWERS MEMBERSHIP WITH THE DPI AS AN NGO.
I'LL HAVE ANOTHER LOOK AND SEE IF I CAN DO IT ANOTHER WAY. I HATE COMPUTERS AND THEY HATE ME. :angry: BACK IN A BIT

[gertie]

FOUND IT . GO ONTO www.jwfacts.com
RIGHTHAND SIDE ON THE PURPLY BIT, SCROLL DOWN TO TOPICS OF INTEREST THEN 4TH FROM THE BOTTOM IT SAYS
UNITED NATIONS NGO, CLICK ON THAT, THEN GO TO THE VERY BOTTOM AND ON THE RIGHTHAND CORNER UNDER RECOMMENDED LINKS IT'S THE FIRST ONE
WWW.UN.ORG/DPI ....... OFFICIAL LETTER FROM UN.
MOST OF YOU MAY ALREADY BE FAMILIAR WITH IT BUT I ONLY FOUND IT THE OTHER DAY AND I'M STILL RECOVERING FROM THE SHOCK.
BE GLAD THOUGH COS AT LEAST WE CAN SEE PROPHECY BEING FULFILLED.
XXX

[James]

I'VE TRIED POSTING THE WEB ADDRESS ON HERE THEN CUTTING AND PASTING BUT IT WON'T WORK.[/b]
Hi gertie,
Try clicking the icon above the text box(next to mr.smiley) which is 'insert link' and paste there.


I HATE COMPUTERS AND THEY HATE ME. :angry: BACK IN A BIT[/b]

I see the problem, your 'caps lock' is stuck on, try a new keyboard....

[shikinah]

Thank you Gertie,
yes we have had loads of links and posts on the UN/Watchtower love affair lol.
You poor thing, your heart must have been in your mouth when you first discovered this, at least your not alone, i had no one to chat to at the time i discovered all of this, thought i was going mad lol.
Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth

[diamondiiz]

I really don't understand what people see in this article as propaganda? I don't mean that WTS being affiliated with UN through DPI membership was good but I never found it to be that shockingly bad to me personally. But propaganda on the side of WTS seems to be in most mags. They find the problem that affects some, they try to back what they're saying by any means they can. The more recognized the organization the bigger influence to persuade the public that the problem they're showing is real and is such a big issue globally. Then, they try to use the bible that all these problem will be solved under God's arrangement which is a noble thing in itself. Finally they point to themselves as the only ark out there. So when one falls into the category of the problem discussed in the article and recieves the mags they may feel as if it applies to them and more likely they will start studying WTS teachings and another member will be gained. So personally I don't see this article any odder then the rest, it's just that UN is well known and a bigger name to use to push WTS agenda across when making a conversation with the public. I can't say what WTS gained from becomming an NGO member but I'm sure it was more than reading material from the UN library - and the depth of their involvement no one seems to know exactly.

[gertie]

What has upset me is that i've read these articles that show favor to the UN and never picked up on them. WHY! WHY! WHY! They are so obvious. I was so angry when I heard the society had been accused of being a member of the DPI. I couldn't believe the lengths that people would go to to bring reproach upon God's org. Talk about shrinking in shame when I realised it wasn't a false accusation but very very true. You said "my heart must have been in my mouth" what an understatement, I felt like my very core had been shaken. Thankfully I'm getting over it now because it forced me to pray in a way I had never prayed before. I have also been talking to an anointed brother and he has shown me so much and really taught me about the ransome in a way the WTBTS never has. Did Jehhovah answer my prayer.... I think so.
That'll do me.
Thank you James for the info but my computer still hates me.

[gertie]

I can't say what WTS gained from becomming an NGO member but I'm sure it was more than reading material from the UN library - and the depth of their involvement no one seems to know exactly.[/b]

I think it's called harlotry.
xx

[shikinah]

The way i see it is like this, back in the days of the Israelites Jehovah made it very clear to keep seperate from idols and false gods, wether they were political or not. Can you imagine the Israelites with a papyrus featuring a golden calf, or speaking how Nimrod had done good deeds? i dont think so, especially when these very ones are Jehovahs enemy, and set out to destroy him and his kingdom. To day it is no different, the UN is the wild beast, it is also standing as a place of peace and security today in place of gods kingdom, we dont need to utter their name, its a disgusting thing in the face of Jehovah. This disgusting thing plans to destroy religion, and mass slaughter human beings who wont do an act of worship to it, we need to open our eyes to the crafty acts of satan when it comes to idolatry.

Elizabeth

[James]

I really don't understand what people see in this article as propaganda?[/b]

I guess they'll have to wear the scarlet letter til the end.
http://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/logo-scarlet-letter-com.gif

Unless they precede each reference to the U.N.

AWAKE January 2008

Violence Against Women—A Global Problem
NOVEMBER 25 is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women. This day was recognized by the General Assembly of the (Evil,demonic)United Nations in 1999 with a view to raising public awareness of violations of the rights of women. Why was this step deemed necessary?
In many cultures women are viewed and treated as inferior or as second-class citizens. Prejudices against them are deep-rooted. Gender-based violence in all its forms is an ongoing problem, even in the so-called developed world. According to former (Evil,demonic UN) Secretary-General Kofi Annan, "violence against women is global in reach, and takes place in all societies and cultures. It affects women no matter what their race, ethnicity, social origin, birth or other status may be."
Radhika Coomaraswamy, former (Evil,demonic UN) Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on violence against women, says that for the vast majority of women, violence against women is "a taboo issue, invisible in society and a shameful fact of life." Statistics issued by a victimology institution in Holland indicate that 23 percent of women in one South American country, or about 1 in 4, suffer some form of domestic violence. Likewise, the Council of Europe estimates that 1 in 4 European women suffers domestic violence during her lifetime. According to the British Home Office, in England and Wales in one recent year, an average of two women each week were killed by current or former partners. The magazine India Today International reported that "for women across India, fear is a constant companion and rape is the stranger they may have to confront at every corner, on any road, in any public place, at any hour." Amnesty International describes violence against women and girls as today's "most pervasive human rights challenge."
Do the statistics mentioned above reflect God's attitude toward women? This question will be discussed in the next article.[/b]

[shikinah]

What is this scarlet letter James? is it the UNs coat of arms. :rolleyes:

Elizabeth

[James]

What is this scarlet letter James? is it the UNs coat of arms. :rolleyes:

Elizabeth[/b]

The Scarlet Letter (1850) is a novel written by Nathaniel Hawthorne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Hawthorne). It is considered his magnum opus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_opus). Set in 17th-century Puritan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan) Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston), it tells the story of Hester Prynne, who gives birth after committing adultery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery) and struggles to create a new life of repentance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance) and dignity. Throughout the novel, Hawthorne explores themes of legalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_%28theology%29), sin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin), and guilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt).

Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlett_Letter)

Although I never read the story, basically she was forced to wear a scarlet A (for adultery) on her clothing out in public for all to see.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>What is this scarlet letter James? is it the UNs coat of arms. :rolleyes:

Elizabeth[/b]

The Scarlet Letter (1850) is a novel written by Nathaniel Hawthorne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Hawthorne). It is considered his magnum opus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_opus). Set in 17th-century Puritan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan) Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston), it tells the story of Hester Prynne, who gives birth after committing adultery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery) and struggles to create a new life of repentance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance) and dignity. Throughout the novel, Hawthorne explores themes of legalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_%28theology%29), sin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin), and guilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt).

Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlett_Letter)

Although I never read the story, basically she was forced to wear a scarlet A (for adultery) on her clothing out in public for all to see.
[/b][/quote]


I replied to this post and strangely enough it came out under a different post and subject. I moaned to day about my eyes being strained from the pc, then my electricity went, since i put the pc back on everything is in huge print, and i cant adjust it. Any way i was going to say i have never heard that story about the scarlet letter before, but i can see why it applies to the wts.

Elizabeth

[truthseeker]

I really don&#39;t understand what people see in this article as propaganda? I don&#39;t mean that WTS being affiliated with UN through DPI membership was good but I never found it to be that shockingly bad to me personally. But propaganda on the side of WTS seems to be in most mags. They find the problem that affects some, they try to back what they&#39;re saying by any means they can. The more recognized the organization the bigger influence to persuade the public that the problem they&#39;re showing is real and is such a big issue globally. Then, they try to use the bible that all these problem will be solved under God&#39;s arrangement which is a noble thing in itself. Finally they point to themselves as the only ark out there. So when one falls into the category of the problem discussed in the article and recieves the mags they may feel as if it applies to them and more likely they will start studying WTS teachings and another member will be gained. So personally I don&#39;t see this article any odder then the rest, it&#39;s just that UN is well known and a bigger name to use to push WTS agenda across when making a conversation with the public. I can&#39;t say what WTS gained from becomming an NGO member but I&#39;m sure it was more than reading material from the UN library - and the depth of their involvement no one seems to know exactly.[/b]



In no way do modern anointed show the same boldness and courage that early 20^th century anointed did!


truthseeker

[Tsaphah]

<div class='quotemain'>Would this classify as bestiality?

I think it does. That term gives it a much more disgusting nature of the relationship. :angry: Ugh!

Tsaphah

[shikinah]

Beastiality, calf worship, idolatry no matter what you call it, why do they need to keep mentioning the UN, like its a good thing. Since when has the watchtower been so concerned about womens rights? the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women. This day was recognized by the General Assembly of the United Nations.. So what are we suppose to celebrate the 25th of november? There are many organisations who support battered women, provide shelter etc, the wts doesnt need to go to these extents for any story. Apparently the church celebrates the feast of St Katherine on the 25th of november, which also coincides with pagan goddess worship, so when the worlds celebrating the non violence of women its usually like all other celebrations, its worshipping their god/goddess.

Elizabeth

[shikinah]

I have to show the seriousness of this UN delusion, i wanted to add the goddess prayer which is said at the UN but it is to disgusting, below is the rest of the information about goddess worship&#39;

Thus went the prayer offered up in their pagan service along with replacing the bread and wine of the Lord&#39;s Supper with bread, milk and honey. They continued by singing songs to the goddess Sophia, the source of their divinity, the creator who dwells within them and unleashes within them their divine power. Conference participants worshipped the divine in each other by marking red dots on their foreheads to signify their divinity, and then bowing to each other in an act of reverence.

National staff and leaders of the Presbyterian Church (USA) gathered with feminist leaders from other World Council of Churches denominations including United Methodist, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ, Baptists, Episcopalians, Mennonites, United Church of Canada, the church of the Brethren and the Church Women United.

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The above list of denominations is frightening. The feminist movement has a great deal to do with the infiltration of goddess worship in the church and according to the occult world the New Age that is dawning will be a feminine age. The feminine goddess is being accepted in the liberal church and prevalent in witchcraft, especially Wicca. The woman of today is being asked to realize her god nature in her spiritual search. If you ever watch Oprah, she is a total advocate of New Age philosophies and continues to feature New Age women on her show.

There is so, so much information on all these practices that I feel that I have not really done you justice by the lack of content, but I hope to have sparked your interest and that you will continue to research. Most of all the information I have read comes from the blogroll.

All these issues from Yoga to Goddess worship involve the same principles. These principles that range from the altered consciousness to contact and worship with the spirit world, lead us away from Christ. All these apostate traveled roads are leading right to the New Age Spirituality. When the church is deemed harmless and determined nonexistent, the world will be ready to accept the Antichrist with open arms. He will fit right in because the world is now being prepared for his arrival.

Are you ready? Are you wearing God&#39;s spiritual armor and using his Word to defend yourself or are you spiritually compromised by involving yourself in the occult world?

NOTE THIS QUOTE FROM THE WTS..

"Do the statistics mentioned above reflect God&#39;s attitude toward women?"

why wasnt any scripture used in this particular article? especially if it is that important, why wasnt gods word quoted as the final authority on this matter? the man of lawlessness is definately at work, whats even more frightening the name Jehovah or Jesus wasnt even mentioned once in the entire article. :dontknow:



Elizabeth

[truthseeker]

<div class='quotemain'>Would this classify as bestiality?

I think it does. That term gives it a much more disgusting nature of the relationship. :angry: Ugh!

Tsaphah
[/b]

LOL - You enjoyed the discription!
truthseeker

[truthseeker]

I have to show the seriousness of this UN delusion, i wanted to add the goddess prayer which is said at the UN but it is to disgusting, below is the rest of the information about goddess worship&#39;

Thus went the prayer offered up in their pagan service along with replacing the bread and wine of the Lord&#39;s Supper with bread, milk and honey. They continued by singing songs to the goddess Sophia, the source of their divinity, the creator who dwells within them and unleashes within them their divine power. Conference participants worshipped the divine in each other by marking red dots on their foreheads to signify their divinity, and then bowing to each other in an act of reverence.

National staff and leaders of the Presbyterian Church (USA) gathered with feminist leaders from other World Council of Churches denominations including United Methodist, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ, Baptists, Episcopalians, Mennonites, United Church of Canada, the church of the Brethren and the Church Women United.

************************






The above list of denominations is frightening. The feminist movement has a great deal to do with the infiltration of goddess worship in the church and according to the occult world the New Age that is dawning will be a feminine age. The feminine goddess is being accepted in the liberal church and prevalent in witchcraft, especially Wicca. The woman of today is being asked to realize her god nature in her spiritual search. If you ever watch Oprah, she is a total advocate of New Age philosophies and continues to feature New Age women on her show.

There is so, so much information on all these practices that I feel that I have not really done you justice by the lack of content, but I hope to have sparked your interest and that you will continue to research. Most of all the information I have read comes from the blogroll.

All these issues from Yoga to Goddess worship involve the same principles. These principles that range from the altered consciousness to contact and worship with the spirit world, lead us away from Christ. All these apostate traveled roads are leading right to the New Age Spirituality. When the church is deemed harmless and determined nonexistent, the world will be ready to accept the Antichrist with open arms. He will fit right in because the world is now being prepared for his arrival.

Are you ready? Are you wearing God&#39;s spiritual armor and using his Word to defend yourself or are you spiritually compromised by involving yourself in the occult world?

NOTE THIS QUOTE FROM THE WTS..

"Do the statistics mentioned above reflect God&#39;s attitude toward women?"

why wasnt any scripture used in this particular article? especially if it is that important, why wasnt gods word quoted as the final authority on this matter? the man of lawlessness is definately at work, whats even more frightening the name Jehovah or Jesus wasnt even mentioned once in the entire article. :dontknow:



Elizabeth[/b]

That’s my point – If Russell would have written the article (which he would likely not have) he would have ripped the subject, scripturally speaking to shreds.

truthseeker

[shikinah]

So true..
Heres a very interesting link, it explains why the WTS may have joined the UN when it did all makes sense.

The Earth Charter and the Ark of the Gaia Covenant (Gaia is mother earth)
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Ea...Charter_Ark.htm (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Earth_Charter_Ark.htm)


“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.”

Romans 1:22-25 (KJV)


Elizabeth

[shikinah]

Heres a bit more from the official JW website

The Broad Scope of Domestic Violence
According to the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of Violence Against Women, the term "violence against women" can refer to "any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or mental harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life." This violence includes, among other things, "physical, sexual and psychological violence occurring in the family and in the general community, including battering, sexual abuse of female children, dowry-related violence, marital rape, female genital mutilation and other traditional practices harmful to women."

[Juan]

that link has amazing evidence of the new world religion... great find (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Earth_Charter_Ark.htm)

But I know WTS wants nothing to do with that... I mean look, they got out of the http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_images/1/folder_editor_images/icon_open.gifUN exactly one month after the Earth Charter was announced to NGOs (see the link)
WTS has always praised Jehovah as God, and I don&#39;t see them at all turning into some New Age thing.

Plus WT publications have always spoken against the UN, referring them to being the last world power as prophesied by Daniel.
“… In Bible prophecy, human governments are often symbolized by wild beasts. (Daniel 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22) Hence, for many decades the Watchtower magazine has identified the wild beasts of Revelation chapters 13 and 17 with today’s worldly governments. This includes the United Nations, which is depicted in Revelation chapter 17 as a scarlet-colored beast with seven heads and ten horns.
“However, this Scriptural position does not condone any form of disrespect toward governments or their officials. The Bible clearly states: “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves.”—Romans 13:1, 2.
“Accordingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are maintaining strict political neutrality, do not interfere with human governments. They never foment revolution or participate in acts of civil disobedience. Rather, they recognize that some form of government is necessary to maintain law and order in human society.—Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God’s permission. In harmony with the Bible, Jehovah’s Witnesses render due respect to all governments and obey them as long as such obedience does not require that they sin against God.—Acts 5:29”
Watchtower 1995 October 1 p.3,7


The only thing that is indeed suspicious, is the letter from the UN which clearly states that NGOs in 1992 were aware that they had to support the UN&#39;s mission in order to be a part of the DPI.

[Juan]

Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth[/b]


Please don&#39;t just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.

[TheMdC]

I think there is a chance the corporate and legalistic nature of the org might prove their undoing. They pour tons of their resources into becoming an accepted part of the official religious system of things in nations all over the world. When offered international freedom of worship as members in the international community of religious institutions will they turn it down or join? This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.

I&#39;m not sure what stone throwing at this point accomplishes, though. Lets just keep awake and be ready to fly when the disgusting thing stands in the holy place.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth[/b]


Please don&#39;t just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.
[/b][/quote]

The proof of this was posted off a UN site sometime last year, will try and find it to put your mind at ease.

[Eyes & Ears]

I think there is a chance the corporate and legalistic nature of the org might prove their undoing. They pour tons of their resources into becoming an accepted part of the official religious system of things in nations all over the world. When offered international freedom of worship as members in the international community of religious institutions will they turn it down or join? This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.

I&#39;m not sure what stone throwing at this point accomplishes, though. Lets just keep awake and be ready to fly when the disgusting thing stands in the holy place.[/b]


"I believe I can fly." :ban_dance01: Now that&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about. Thanks MDC. Good point.

E & E

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth[/b]


Please don&#39;t just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.
[/b][/quote]


Dont really like to put these sort of links up, but if proof is required here it is, still searching for the UN birthday link.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower...lly-Neutral-NOT (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/125201/1/JWs-in-world-politics-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Are-Politically-Neutral-NOT)

Heres the list stating the members..
Click on the link provided below and scroll down to page59 then check these columns 102, 103, 248, and 314 in the blue boxes to the left of all the organization&#39;s names including the watchtower. http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf (http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf)


PS.. Tried to seperate the J.W forum from link but couldnt, apologies Robert.

[TheMdC]

Before a hardcore apologist says it, lets get the technicality out of the way that the OSCE is NOT a part of the United Nations. Still, it&#39;s a worldly organization of representatives from 55 nations.

[FutureMan]

Before a hardcore apologist says it, lets get the technicality out of the way that the OSCE is NOT a part of the United Nations. Still, it&#39;s a worldly organization of representatives from 55 nations.[/b]

Hello Mdc, I believe that basically you are correct, though as members of this organization (OSCE) they do have links with the United Nations.
They all represent Egypt and so for any alliance with any of these organization or seeking their help is showing a lack of trust in God and his ability to help and deliver his people in times of distress or to get the preaching work done.

As God said if necessary he could cause the stones to cry out the Message.


Now wouldn&#39;t that be a sight?

Do you think that people would listen to the message then?

From FutureMan

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>Before a hardcore apologist says it, lets get the technicality out of the way that the OSCE is NOT a part of the United Nations. Still, it&#39;s a worldly organization of representatives from 55 nations.[/b]

Hello Mdc, I believe that basically you are correct, though as members of this organization (OSCE) they do have links with the United Nations.
They all represent Egypt and so for any alliance with any of these organization or seeking their help is showing a lack of trust in God and his ability to help and deliver his people in times of distress or to get the preaching work done.

As God said if necessary he could cause the stones to cry out the Message.


Now wouldn&#39;t that be a sight?

Do you think that people would listen to the message then?

From FutureMan


[/b][/quote]

Strange enough FutureMan i was thinking along the same lines. What use is Jehovahs Organisation, if its slaves don&#39;t use the Holy Spirit in prayer for devine guidance? Jesus said "ask and it will be given" and a man could move mountains. Couldnt they use an independant body of men who are not witnesses, such as lawyers who could speak on their behalf, instead of baptised brothers sitting in with so many other religious denominations.

Elizabeth

[dgibson]

"As God said if necessary he could cause the stones to cry out the Message.


Now wouldn&#39;t that be a sight?"


I think a lot more people might listen at this point in time. It seems an earthquake is getting ready, to cut loose again in California, maybe that&#39;s what Jehovah meant by stones crying out?

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[steff]

<div class='quotemain'>Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth[/b]


Please don&#39;t just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.
[/b][/quote]

hiya,




not mr. g. but others



http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2008/10/34254_en.pdf



pos. 238 & 319



different man, same org.



steff

[James]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Yes there are links which show that Paul Gillies still attends UN meetings and their birthday parties etc, nothing surprises me any more, apart from there bare faced cheek to keep other witnesses in the dark.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth[/b]


Please don&#39;t just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.
[/b][/quote]

hiya,




not mr. g. but others



http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2008/10/34254_en.pdf



pos. 238 & 319



different man, same org.



steff


[/b][/quote]


He&#39;s in there- 102, also check 14.

[truthseeker]

OSCE HUMAN DIMENSION

IMPLEMENTATION MEETING



That Jehovah’s Witness’s representatives were in attendance there is no question evidently.



Please enlighten me of the grievance to this fact and how it brings reproach on Jehovah’s name?



Sincerely truthseeker

[shikinah]

You cant be known as the only religious denomination on earth which has neutral governmental involvement, then be seen sharing the table of demons, getting involved with their policies and future decisions. What makes me laugh is the WTS must see all the inner workings and know all their one world governmental plans, but you never see this reflected as a warning to us in the awake or watchtower, i&#39;ll even go as far as saying, since there UN involvement, i have never seen apart from in the revelation book, the UN related to as the wild beast. If you go on their official website, you will not see any information what so ever, even the ones relating to armageddon, they quote the "world governments" as the wild beast. So if you were viewing this site for the first time and knew nothing of the witnesses, i&#39;d see quotes on what the UN are doing for the global envoirenment but would never relate it to the wild beast in the book of Revelation. I see slow but very subtle changes, as a quote once said, satan dont need to make big sudden changes, the best ones take the longest as these are seldom seen and the most effective. Perfect example the promotion of the UN year of volunteers in the awake magazine, it came and went without anyone noticing.

[panda]

In truth, the GB of JW&#39;s that uses the WTBTS as its mouthpiece, are apostates.

They have entrapped with in their faith many honest hearted ones of Gods sheep. They have enslaved Gods people.

The GB has usurped the headship of our King Jesus Christ. It is obvious they no longer tack real issue with Gods Universal Sovereignty.

Time will come when our lord Jesus Christ will truly begin to be head of the Christian congregation, and then they will have to know the Jehovah is God and rightful ruler of the Universe.

Satan has infiltrated the WTBTS and GB, to try and destroy as many of Gods sheep as possible, especially the chosen ones.

Trust and wait for Jehovah, he is not far from each of us.

[Eyes & Ears]

In truth, the GB of JW&#39;s that uses the WTBTS as its mouthpiece, are apostates.

They have entrapped with in their faith many honest hearted ones of Gods sheep. They have enslaved Gods people.

The GB has usurped the headship of our King Jesus Christ. It is obvious they no longer tack real issue with Gods Universal Sovereignty.

Time will come when our lord Jesus Christ will truly begin to be head of the Christian congregation, and then they will have to know the Jehovah is God and rightful ruler of the Universe.

Satan has infiltrated the WTBTS and GB, to try and destroy as many of Gods sheep as possible, especially the chosen ones.

Trust and wait for Jehovah, he is not far from each of us.[/b]


Hi Panda,

What I highlighted and enlarged from your expression is what I also believe. I also personally believe we better get it together RIGHT NOW and pay attention to how we listen (Luke 8:18) it means life.

Good expressions Panda.

E & E

[SlaveForJah]

This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.[/b]

Hello MdC,

I haven&#39;t been to the DC this year, and not sure I will make it either. But I was curious as to what Declaration you are referring to. Could you explain?


Agape

SlaveForJah

[SlaveForJah]

<div class='quotemain'>This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.[/b]

Hello MdC,

I haven&#39;t been to the DC this year, and not sure I will make it either. But I was curious as to what Declaration you are referring to. Could you explain?


Agape

SlaveForJah
[/b][/quote]

I was really hoping to get an answer to this question. So, since it had dropped off the front page, I am bumping it up top again.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[James]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.[/b]

Hello MdC,

I haven&#39;t been to the DC this year, and not sure I will make it either. But I was curious as to what Declaration you are referring to. Could you explain?


Agape

SlaveForJah
[/b][/quote]

I was really hoping to get an answer to this question. So, since it had dropped off the front page, I am bumping it up top again.


Agape

SlaveForJah
[/b][/quote]

Hello SlaveForJah,

Keep on the Watch topic, post #72

Click (http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2898&st=60)

[SlaveForJah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>This summer&#39;s Declaration at the DCs would make one think they wouldn&#39;t even consider joining an international organization of religions under the UN, but their behind the scenes behavior might tell a different story.[/b]

Hello MdC,

I haven&#39;t been to the DC this year, and not sure I will make it either. But I was curious as to what Declaration you are referring to. Could you explain?


Agape

SlaveForJah
[/b][/quote]

I was really hoping to get an answer to this question. So, since it had dropped off the front page, I am bumping it up top again.


Agape

SlaveForJah
[/b][/quote]

Hello SlaveForJah,

Keep on the Watch topic, post #72

Click (http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2898&st=60)
[/b][/quote]

Howdy James,

I appreciate that. Very helpful.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[Psalms371011]

Time will come when our lord Jesus Christ will truly begin to be head of the Christian congregation, and then they will have to know the Jehovah is God and rightful ruler of the Universe.[/b]

I&#39;d like to believe this also, however I think it&#39;s more likely the congregations are falling like Watchtower Society. Wouldn&#39;t hurt having a moment without being ridiculed even by other Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.

[arimatthewdavies]

now ive got a qustion who actully owns our k.h. and assembly halls?

[FutureMan]

now ive got a qustion who actully owns our k.h. and assembly halls?

Hello arimatthewdavies, I believe that the Watchtower Society now legally owns most of the kingdom halls, at least all the new ones that have be built that have either being built to take in the expanding numbers or to replace existing kingdom halls.

Some of the old kingdom halls as I understand are still owned by the congregation or congregations that occupy them.

[shikinah]

Please don't just say something like that without providing links for proof, it just amounts up to pure rumor.
[/b]

hiya,




not mr. g. but others



http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2008/10/34254_en.pdf



pos. 238 & 319



different man, same org.



steff[/QUOTE]

Hi Steff,
this is all feeling like Dejavu, didnt see this reply back then, and i went and posted the same link this week.. sorry the thanks is late:(

Shikinah

[TheMdC]

It seems to me, and unfortunately I can't recall for certain, that shortly after our congregation paid off our K.H. we passed a resolution at the Service Meeting giving it to the organization and that the rationale given was that it was somehow for our own protection legally. . . Wish I remembered the details. Maybe I just dreamed it. Anyone else have something like that happen in their cong?

[Utuna]

It seems to me, and unfortunately I can't recall for certain, that shortly after our congregation paid off our K.H. we passed a resolution at the Service Meeting giving it to the organization and that the rationale given was that it was somehow for our own protection legally. . . Wish I remembered the details. Maybe I just dreamed it. Anyone else have something like that happen in their cong?

Hi all,

Here, in France, each local religious association made up of members of a given local congregation owns its KH. Even if the French branch (or national religious association) disappears one day because of persecutions for example, on a legal basis, nothing can impede us to keep using our KHs.

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