Fds An Earthly Class?

[The Bible Student]

Like the levites, the 144000 inheritance is Jehovah.

But after armageddon and beyond the sheep will need direction, there will need to be a channel on the earth for outworking of Gods purpose.

So, at the conclusion we will see the true FDS receiving his appointment if he has indeed been true, an appointment to watch over the belongings of the house...namely Gods special property here on the earth.

[TheMdC]

I think the slave will prove to be the faithful anointed, and they will rule from heaven for 1,000 years. The exact method of communication with their subjects on earth is unknown, which is appropriate. I think it's good to have unanswered questions. Helps build faith in our Father and what we do know about Him.

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton </span>

[Rogue]

I Believe the FDS is an eartly class... I don&#39;t believe they are appointed over all Christ belongings yet. The way I see it:
"45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings. "

In this scripture there is a present and future refference to the appointment... in Jesus presents, he appointed the apostles over his belongings (the congregation) , their job was to help the followers of Christ grow in understanding and faith... elders of modern day congregation should follow into their footsteps (I don;t believe there is any biblical ground for having a governing body, but that is another topic), the elders should guide the congregation and feed them. When the apostels died, many religions started to appear, so nowadays we have many churchleaders who provide their sheep food, including JW&#39;s. When Jesus comes, he will judge all the churches and churchleaders, by the food they provided. It isn&#39;t for no reason that Jesus also speaks about the bad slave. There is no FDS yet, because Jesus has not come yet, the house is not cleaned yet and there has been no visible approval or appointment of the FDS over all Christs belongings. So, I see it this way: the apostles were the FDS that Jesus appointed... after they died, the new churchleaders had to proove wether they were good or bad slave, and when Jesus comes, he will appoint the modern day FDS, the good annointed, whom he will appoint over all his belongings (heaven and earth). I hope there are still good annointed in Bethel, but there are certainly good annointed outside of the WTBTS... I think they will make up the FDS when Jesus arrives. So yes, an earthly class...

[FutureMan]

I think the slave will prove to be the faithful anointed, and they will rule from heaven for 1,000 years. The exact method of communication with their subjects on earth is unknown, which is appropriate. I think it&#39;s good to have unanswered questions. Helps build faith in our Father and what we do know about Him.[/b]

Hello Mdc, I did not welcome you before to this forum, so I&#39;ll take the opportunity now and welcome you.

Now I would like to comment further on this as regards the faithful and discreet slave.

Indeed nowhere in the scriptures does it say that these ones necessarily have to be only of the anointed class.

What we do know is that these ones are already looking after the needs of the rest of the domestics (slaves) or (servants) in the household.

At the same time each of the slaves are doing some part of their masters will or wishes.

Now when it comes to who is actually finally appointed over all Christs belongings this would to the one who is the most capable and faithful in carrying out his duties.
He would be one who is not beating up his fellow slaves to get them to do exactly as he requires. In fact he would be taking an intense interest in the household of the slaves. Caring for their needs even with long suffering if need be, putting up with the petty differences and complaints of his fellow salves whom he is looking after. Yes They the (faithful and discreet slave would be all exhibiting all the fruitages of the spirit to some degree depending on their personalities and weakness.


They would all be showing that Christ like love that Jesus had for his sheep (the nation of Israel) particularly towards those that listened and heeded his message.

They would be saying as those in the parable of the sheep and the goats stated that they only did what they ought to have done without blowing there own trumpet.

Matthew 25:37-39
37 Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You; or thirsting, and gave You drink?
38 And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You?
39 And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?

In fact these ones would be working quietly and patiently waiting for Christ&#39;s return, slaving for their fellow slaves their (brothers)

From FutureMan.

[FutureMan]

[TheMdC]

FutureMan, thank you for your welcome.

I think the fact that the Master appoints the FDS over "all" his belongings indicates that they have to be of the heavenly, not earthly class, if our understanding of the scripture is that it is discussing a specific group, or class, of individuals. It is possible, however, that Jesus was speaking generally about all of his servants, or slaves, and how he as the Master will judge their service, which also makes much sense. As with most prophetic applications we probably won&#39;t understand it completely until after it takes place.

[Utuna]

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[panda]

<div class='quotemain'>I think the slave will prove to be the faithful anointed, and they will rule from heaven for 1,000 years. The exact method of communication with their subjects on earth is unknown, which is appropriate. I think it&#39;s good to have unanswered questions. Helps build faith in our Father and what we do know about Him.[/b]

Hello Mdc, I did not welcome you before to this forum, so I&#39;ll take the opportunity now and welcome you.

Now I would like to comment further on this as regards the faithful and discreet slave.

Indeed nowhere in the scriptures does it say that these ones necessarily have to be only of the anointed class.

What we do know is that these ones are already looking after the needs of the rest of the domestics (slaves) or (servants) in the household.

At the same time each of the slaves are doing some part of their masters will or wishes.

Now when it comes to who is actually finally appointed over all Christs belongings this would to the one who is the most capable and faithful in carrying out his duties.
He would be one who is not beating up his fellow slaves to get them to do exactly as he requires. In fact he would be taking an intense interest in the household of the slaves. Caring for their needs even with long suffering if need be, putting up with the petty differences and complaints of his fellow salves whom he is looking after. Yes They the (faithful and discreet slave would be all exhibiting all the fruitages of the spirit to some degree depending on their personalities and weakness.


They would all be showing that Christ like love that Jesus had for his sheep (the nation of Israel) particularly towards those that listened and heeded his message.

They would be saying as those in the parable of the sheep and the goats stated that they only did what they ought to have done without blowing there own trumpet.

Matthew 25:37-39
37 Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You; or thirsting, and gave You drink?
38 And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You?
39 And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?

In fact these ones would be working quietly and patiently waiting for Christ&#39;s return, slaving for their fellow slaves their (brothers)

From FutureMan.



[/b][/quote]Yes I agree with you FM, this is the humility the slave would display, I dont&#39; see that from the GB, if fact I see them becoming even more self focused.

[Peter]

If any have missed this here’s a commentary on the slave



Faithful and discreet slave passes test (http://e-watchman.com/commentaries/watchtower-faithful-and-discreet-slave-passes-test.html)

[Deborah]

My perception of the Faithful and discreet slave:

EVERYONE "chosen" by Jehovah(YehWeh), sent to Christ, and "touched" by Christ&#39;s sacrifice and holy spirit. "Knowing" that the individual has to be actively pursuing "gifts of the spirit" and take care of Christ&#39;s belongings as capable by their individual "talents".

"chosen"- Yep, we don&#39;t do it. What Jehovah looks for seems pretty variable. All kinds of examples are given in the bible. We can pick different ancient characters and run down a list of sins that would make us feel alot better! LOL. (I LOVE pondering over why Jehovah picked someone, when he got mad at them, why he really disciplined people, and what mercy really means to Jehovah. Jesus did an awesome job. Going through Jesus&#39;s different recorded experience really soothes me! Sharing the love feels even better!) Also, to note-we seem to have quite the variable in the "chosen" group in different ways, too. Note the varieties that Jehovah called in the ancient times and Jesus gave gifts of spirit. Can you imagine being in general a regular or lower caste and being given the most holy tasks, but also suffer for it? Few may recognize what is consider holy because of the mercy of Jehovah and our King Jesus! Ever since the time of the first Christians there are people that are "chosen". Almost two milleniums have passed and yet, Christians survive and abound! Isn&#39;t it a wonderful testament that satan couldn&#39;t ruin individuals Christlike sheep through all of the awful things done in GOD&#39;s name, Christians still keep on "spreading the mercy and joy" they were given. HA, HA, it really makes me laugh! Satan took a lot of religions, governments, and tortured and tormented every human-each in their own way.

"touched"-Yep, we don&#39;t do it. Its a "feeling" inside, a "visual" or "audio" experience. We get touched, individually by spirit. We can probably remember different times when we were looking at creation or talking with God that we felt "something". Or we were just doing our life and something happens to let us know our prayers were answered. I also believe that be "touched" is so variable. Our individual relationship can be as strict with the father as the overly righteous son, or forgiven for horrid sin like the prodigal son. Do we resent another&#39;s gift or take joy in each others talent?

I&#39;m sure the rest of the first paragraph was pretty simple to understand, aye. Ooops, except I think that ALL are chosen, besides the 144,000. EVERYONE calling themselves a child of Jehovah God and bowing before their King Jesus is a "chosen" "anointed" "holy for a chosen purpose" professed Christian. Even the variable of my last sentences understanding of that seems to have a pretty good balance, and yet, can tip off the greatest/overdone of thread fights!

I pray you are all well on the board. :buja_w_oblokach:

With Sisterly Love, Debbie

[diamondiiz]

How about this one :)

There are many leaders feeding their flock around the world. Some are better than others. They could all be views as slaves but who of these are faithful and wise? That is what Christ will decide when he does return and that is when he will appoint the faithful and wise slave (class?) over his domestics. That is when we will know who of these taking the lead was true. So even though there are many taking a lead today it is Christ who will decide who the faithful slave is upon his return not at present even though there could be FDS out there but that slave hasn&#39;t been judged as such therefore his appointment is future and us calling one a FDS is our opinion of what Christ will view the one in question. JWs will calls GB as FDS, but more importantly it is GB who named themselves part of FDS, great to know that they are so humble to appoint themselves to that position. I better go and follow these because they know Christ better than anyone and they are not afraid telling the whole world so. :icon_rolleyes:

Heavenly or earthy? I don&#39;t know since Christian Greek Scriptures don&#39;t teach 2 classes of Christians :) so from what Christ taught we can assume.......