"keep On The Watch"

[James]

Can anybody point out what is NOT going to be a topic?
Have they changed their tune? Are they singing a new song?

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[watchman]

It is sheer lunacy for the Watchtower to be exhorting JW's to keep on the watch. Keep on the watch for what? Armageddon? When Jesus used that expression it was always in connection with his coming and presence, something the WT insists took place already. So, if that is the case, why stay on the watch? For example, one of the places in Scripture where Jesus used the expression "keep on the watch" was in connection with the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. The WT, of course, teaches that the parable was fulfilled in 1919. Again, though, if that is true why keep on the watch any longer? Is the bridegroom going to make a second visit? It's crazy.

[shikinah]

There on the watch for the coming day of armageddon :rolleyes:

[Eyes & Ears]

I'm watching them to make sure they don't cause me to trip up and fumble around anymore flapping around in the spiritual wilderness like a lost dumbo bird because I did not do my homework.

They fooled me several times when I did not know any better, but I will be doggoned, if with Jehovah's help, I allow them to cause me me to fubmle and stumble around again bumping and running into all sorts of dead tress and banging my head all up. :icon_razz:

AS PANDA BEAR SAYS WE MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS.

So yepper, E & E little sister is watching Big Bethel.

Thanks James for posting that as always keeping us up on STUFF.

E & E

[Jahsdisciple]

It could also mean, 'stay alert...keep your wits about you" This doesnt just mean about the kingdom,although thats the first application. It also means about other aspects of your life.

If all you do is keep on the watch "for the kingddom",what about our life before that ? Why do we have to wait till the new world to try and improve our lives ? If thats true, Jah wouldnt have written about how to improve our life NOW.

So my take on this is: Keep on the watch,be alert, so you gain wonderful things in all aspects of your life now ! Not just for the furture.

[Eyes & Ears]

It could also mean, 'stay alert...keep your wits about you" This doesnt just mean about the kingdom,although thats the first application. gain wonderful things in all aspects of your life now ! Not just for the furture.
[/b]


This is so true JD. So many b/s have put off doing some needed basic things because they have been waiting for THE NEW SYSTEM. Consequently, their health and personal appearance has deteriorated for lack of this basic attention. I agree so much with what I highlighted and enlarged in your expression.

E & E

[shikinah]

Its easy to stay alert if you know what your staying alert for,
even my 16 year old son looked at an awake magazine the other day, and the topic was about "why dont girls like me" he has too many liking him but a friend showed it to him for a laugh. He read it, and there was a section where a girl states she gets upset if when she firsts meet a boy and he asks if she's in a relationship" my son said "but mum thats respectful because he wants to make sure he isnt intruding" and a few other things he disagreed with. In general he stated he found the magazines out of date, and boring that some other religious mags he had seen were more eye catching and tell you about the illuminate and hold your attention, he said it would be hard to draw any worldly youngster with this out dated material. The thing is youngsters have the internet they do research and are not blind they know something sinister is happening in the world and its not right. But for the WTS to imply that the world is only being influenced, but not imply that some of its leaders are not only influenced but worship satan is wrong. My son and his friends know about Bohemian Grove where they worship molec but how many Jehovah Witness kids even believe that satan really exists? I cant even mention about spirits around my witness neices as its a subject they cant entertain but this subject is what Jesus spoke about during his time on earth, because it was a real problem. I remember talking about New Age religion to a brother and he replied "whats that" "thats the religion the UN plans to replace christianity with when there new world order is in place, its a type of recycled Egyptian/Babylonian religious belief system" and he said he knew nothing of it.
They may keep on the watch, but theres others outside the org that keep on the watch also, but who need to be encouraged in the understanding of the true god Jehovah.

Elizabeth

[uglyandthin]

Its easy to stay alert if you know what your staying alert for,
even my 16 year old son looked at an awake magazine the other day, and the topic was about "why dont girls like me" he has too many liking him but a friend showed it to him for a laugh. He read it, and there was a section where a girl states she gets upset if when she firsts meet a boy and he asks if she's in a relationship" my son said "but mum thats respectful because he wants to make sure he isnt intruding" and a few other things he disagreed with. In general he stated he found the magazines out of date, and boring that some other religious mags he had seen were more eye catching and tell you about the illuminate and hold your attention, he said it would be hard to draw any worldly youngster with this out dated material. The thing is youngsters have the internet they do research and are not blind they know something sinister is happening in the world and its not right. But for the WTS to imply that the world is only being influenced, but not imply that some of its leaders are not only influenced but worship satan is wrong. My son and his friends know about Bohemian Grove where they worship molec but how many Jehovah Witness kids even believe that satan really exists? I cant even mention about spirits around my witness neices as its a subject they cant entertain but this subject is what Jesus spoke about during his time on earth, because it was a real problem. I remember talking about New Age religion to a brother and he replied "whats that" "thats the religion the UN plans to replace christianity with when there new world order is in place, its a type of recycled Egyptian/Babylonian religious belief system" and he said he knew nothing of it.
They may keep on the watch, but theres others outside the org that keep on the watch also, but who need to be encouraged in the understanding of the true god Jehovah.

Elizabeth[/b]

Hi Elizabeth:

Unfortunately, unless I am behind in the current thinking, they are staying awake for the destruction of Babylon the Great. Unless Satan arranges for something like this, to rienforce the operation of error, I don't see that happening in that way. It will start with the "house of God" or at least what used to be that. I think they lost their power to baptize people in October 2001 when they were clearly unrepentent and put up that lame excuse about the library card. I heard better stories to cover adultery in the congregations. If you are an unrepentent sinner can you still act as the priest for someone being baptized? Does not the person doing the baptizing have to at least hold the same cleanliness that they wish to convey in the act of baptism? They have been asleep for many years. I should know, I was nestled comfy in my spiritual slumber with them until I was awoken by the U.N. debacle. Thanks Watchman for all your help in opening my eyes to that. I am staying awake for the coming of Jesus, and from my point of view it's only a short distance off. Come Lord Jesus!

uglyandthin

[Tsaphah]

There is an interesting statement in the article that caught my attention. “…the session will conclude with a talk on baptism, after which those who qualify will have an opportunity to be baptized.”

My question is; How did John, Jesus, and the other disciples that baptized others, qualify the people that came to them to be baptized?

What qualifications were required?

Tsaphah

[Cricket]

There is an interesting statement in the article that caught my attention. "…the session will conclude with a talk on baptism, after which those who qualify will have an opportunity to be baptized."

My question is; How did John, Jesus, and the other disciples that baptized others, qualify the people that came to them to be baptized?

What qualifications were required?

Tsaphah[/b]


Exactly... sounds like you must apply to be a Christian and be judged worthy by your fellow man.... :38786-6:

[shikinah]

There is an interesting statement in the article that caught my attention. "…the session will conclude with a talk on baptism, after which those who qualify will have an opportunity to be baptized."

My question is; How did John, Jesus, and the other disciples that baptized others, qualify the people that came to them to be baptized?

What qualifications were required?

Tsaphah[/b]

Yes that quote stood out loud and plain to me, "qualified for baptism" i've never heard of such rubbish in my life. Can you imagine John the baptist saying "hey you, show me your proof that your eligible if not get lost" they make Jesus ransom unaproachable and make people feel unworthy of it, who are they to act as god, making judgement on a persons salvation and relationship they wish to have with our Lord Jesus Christ.

Elizabeth

[abettermannow]

Can anybody point out what is NOT going to be a topic?
Have they changed their tune? Are they singing a new song?

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I am confused, I thought "My Deliverance was Near" years ago. Now "I have to keep on the Watch".

[TheMdC]

There is an interesting statement in the article that caught my attention. “…the session will conclude with a talk on baptism, after which those who qualify will have an opportunity to be baptized.”

My question is; How did John, Jesus, and the other disciples that baptized others, qualify the people that came to them to be baptized?

What qualifications were required?

Tsaphah[/b]
That one particularly annoyed me, too.

[James]

Can anybody point out what is NOT going to be a topic?[/b]

I did not see them mention or allude to the FDS/GB/ORG. Ours is in July, I'd like to hear if anyone has had theirs already.
FJW, how about you?

[imjustaskin]

We had our convention this last weekend. On a positive note, the encouragement was repeated throughout more than one talk about being "vigilant in prayer". Pray for those taking the lead, pray for holy spirit, pray for endurance, pray specific prayers for the needs of our individual brothers.

The section about avoiding Satan's traps proved to be very good, considering I wasn't expecting much from it. There was a section about the tongue being like a fire, and how bad mouthing each other and gossiping in the congregation is destructive like a fire that a hunter uses to drive out his prey. It was really pretty good.

The prophecy parts were all confused of course, but all in all there was still some good encouragement.

[imjustaskin]

<div class='quotemain'>Can anybody point out what is NOT going to be a topic?[/b]

I did not see them mention or allude to the FDS/GB/ORG. Ours is in July, I&#39;d like to hear if anyone has had theirs already.
FJW, how about you?
[/b][/quote]


There was still plenty of that. There was a long talk about the history of the org putting the alert out about certain times, even if the what was going to happen at those times was confused, they were still ON THE WATCH. That was why we could DEPEND on them to be ON THE WATCH now. And if they were telling us to be ON THE WATCH we better listen.

I didn&#39;t let it bother me too much though. It was just the usual, and we know we are supposed to be on the watch anyway because JEHOVAH tells us.

[TheMdC]

Could anyone who has already been tell me about the releases? A PM is fine if folks here would rather wait for their own convention and be surprised. I never liked surprises. I like to have an idea of what to look for.

[TheMdC]

I found out the new releases...

Anyone want to know? Should I post it here? I don&#39;t want to spoil any surprises for anyone.

[truthseeker]

I found out the new releases...

Anyone want to know? Should I post it here? I don&#39;t want to spoil any surprises for anyone.[/b]


It would not bother me&#39; lets have the goods!

truthseeker

[imjustaskin]

I&#39;ll pick one...we got an absolutely wonderful video about creation. The video focused on some of the wonders, but tied it back to how we can relate it to our personal relationship with Jehovah. Nothing controversial, provoking, warning, frightening, or condemning. Just a beautiful video you can watch to remind and deepen your relationship with Jah.

[TheMdC]

Looking forward to seeing that DVD. Thanks for the detailed info. I only obtained brief descriptions.

Here come the spoilers:

A book based on Acts and focusing on the ministry.
A brochure about the Bible&#39;s Message (new lead-in to the Teach book, replacing Require?)

Here&#39;s the biggie: A new song book. Only 135 songs. 42 of them BRAND NEW. That means only 93 of the 225 old songs survived the purge.

[shikinah]

I wonder will any have a calypso melody :ban_dance02:
It would be nice to have a couple of happy uplifting tunes.

[TheMdC]

Expect to get a talking-to by some old-school elders if you have the cheek to play any of them on evil "rock and roll" instruments.

[Eyes & Ears]

I wonder will any have a calypso melody :ban_dance02:
It would be nice to have a couple of happy uplifting tunes.[/b]


Behave Elizabeth :icon_razz:

E & E

[watchman]

I am so pleased to hear that the Society has produced a video showcasing the wonders of creation. That harkens back to the monumental production of 1914, the Photo Drama of Creation. I have always been disappointed that the WT has not used its vast resources to do another epic like that. Unfortunately, they have left it to the likes of Hollywood to produce programs like Jesus of Nazareth (not bad actually) and Mel Gibson&#39;s atrocious movie about the death of Christ.

You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman

[Anthony]

Unfortunately, they have left it to the likes of Hollywood to produce programs like Jesus of Nazareth (not bad actually) and Mel Gibson&#39;s atrocious movie about the death of Christ.

Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years.
watchman[/b]


I thought "The Gospel of John" film w/ Henry Ian Cusick was really good.

That would be awesome to make a movie for the big screen.

[Desert Blossom]

I am so pleased to hear that the Society has produced a video showcasing the wonders of creation. That harkens back to the monumental production of 1914, the Photo Drama of Creation. I have always been disappointed that the WT has not used its vast resources to do another epic like that. Unfortunately, they have left it to the likes of Hollywood to produce programs like Jesus of Nazareth (not bad actually) and Mel Gibson&#39;s atrocious movie about the death of Christ.

You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman[/b]

Now that you have a Mac your dream is not so far-fetched. Can I audition for Rahab? :185:

[James]

<div class='quotemain'>Unfortunately, they have left it to the likes of Hollywood to produce programs like Jesus of Nazareth (not bad actually) and Mel Gibson&#39;s atrocious movie about the death of Christ.

Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years.
watchman[/b]


I thought "The Gospel of John" film w/ Henry Ian Cusick was really good.

That would be awesome to make a movie for the big screen.
[/b][/quote]


Hey, count me in the movie!

I could play the role of, uh,(thinking, thinking) I know! James!


James

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>I wonder will any have a calypso melody :ban_dance02:
It would be nice to have a couple of happy uplifting tunes.[/b]


Behave Elizabeth :icon_razz:

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Honestly my sister has the kingdom melodies in steelband music from trinidad, and there really nice.. Hey i wonder why the words calypso melodies came out in a large bold font :Yahoo_33: strange.

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>I wonder will any have a Hey i wonder why the words calypso melodies came out in a large bold font :Yahoo_33: strange.




I made it big and bold, I was mess n with you Elizabeth (LOL).

I have no idea what steelband music is. (goof ball that I am) and who made the melodies from Trinidad I don&#39;t understand. Help me Elizabeth, splain please
(smiling)


Love ya

E & E

[Jahsdisciple]

You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman[/b]

Yea,that would be amasing,to have an epic like that. It would have to run for 6-8 hours at the minimum. How long did the PDOC run for ?

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>I wonder will any have a Hey i wonder why the words calypso melodies came out in a large bold font :Yahoo_33: strange.




I made it big and bold, I was mess n with you Elizabeth (LOL).

I have no idea what steelband music is. (goof ball that I am) and who made the melodies from Trinidad I don&#39;t understand. Help me Elizabeth, splain please
(smiling)


Love ya

E & E


[/b][/quote]

Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.

[TheMdC]

Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.

[Desert Blossom]

I&#39;m very curious to find out which songs were cut and which songs were added. I was thinking about this new change yesterday and wondered if the change reflects a change in doctrine/teachings in regard to the WT&#39;s take on prophecy.

From information I have gathered from various sources, the GB is well aware that their prophetic time-line is faulty. A sister shared with me one of the GB&#39;s talks, "What Does the Future Hold?", and said it was dubbed "The Six Comings of Christ" by locals because that&#39;s exactly what the talk outlined, how Jesus returns six different times. The speaker introduced new ideas, much like Rutherford did with his "The Birth of a Nation" article in 1925. It wasn&#39;t until 1930 that the WT officially changed their doctrine in regard to 1874 and 1914.

If anyone finds the new song book on MP3 format online, please do share the links! :8:

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

I dont know where the cd was from, but i think each country should be aloud to express their praise to Jehovah in their tradition..Just because over 100 years ago classical and violins was the music of the day, doesnt mean we should still have it. Why not some of the Hebrew or eastern influence how it was thousands of years ago, that would be authentic too. Oh yes i was telling a friend of mine about the WT getting of rid of some songs and adding new ones, and he said i can understand them adding new songs, but getting rid of the old ones sound sinister.

[shikinah]

There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?

[Rogue]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

I dont know where the cd was from, but i think each country should be aloud to express their praise to Jehovah in their tradition..Just because over 100 years ago classical and violins was the music of the day, doesnt mean we should still have it. Why not some of the Hebrew or eastern influence how it was thousands of years ago, that would be authentic too. Oh yes i was telling a friend of mine about the WT getting of rid of some songs and adding new ones, and he said i can understand them adding new songs, but getting rid of the old ones sound sinister.
[/b][/quote]

Nice point... why can we only sing praises to Jehovah trough classical music? I have wondered about that myself... isnt it about expressinf our feelings towards Jah? Why can we not use any form of music we would like? After all, Jah is the creator of all sorts of music, he made us this way, with our potential to come up with all sorts of musical instruments, why can we not use them for praises? Personaly, allthough being a "white girl", I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now lol

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

I dont know where the cd was from, but i think each country should be aloud to express their praise to Jehovah in their tradition..Just because over 100 years ago classical and violins was the music of the day, doesnt mean we should still have it. Why not some of the Hebrew or eastern influence how it was thousands of years ago, that would be authentic too. Oh yes i was telling a friend of mine about the WT getting of rid of some songs and adding new ones, and he said i can understand them adding new songs, but getting rid of the old ones sound sinister.
[/b][/quote]

Nice point... why can we only sing praises to Jehovah trough classical music? I have wondered about that myself... isnt it about expressinf our feelings towards Jah? Why can we not use any form of music we would like? After all, Jah is the creator of all sorts of music, he made us this way, with our potential to come up with all sorts of musical instruments, why can we not use them for praises? Personaly, allthough being a "white girl", I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now lol
[/b][/quote]


Rogue, your so right, im only a half white girl lol, but it would be lovely to praise Jehovah with deep felt soul moving music, with live instruments..and gopspel was developed by the slaves, i bet the Israelite slaves had a few songs too apart from "by the rivers of babylon"

[Eyes & Ears]

There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]


It was to discuss that STEEL BAND MUSIC REGARDING THOSE TRINIDARIAN (Is that a word) KINGDOM MELODIES. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: :rofl: ,

THEY SEEM TO BE CAUSING QUITE A STIR IN THE CONGREGATIONS, B/S

JUMPING ALL AROUND JOYFULLY SHOUTING AND STUFF, HAS TO

DO WITH SOMEONE NAMED SHIKINAH THE RUMOUR HAS IT, AND HER PERSONAL

FEELINGS REGARDING GOSPEL MUSIC. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE

AN UPROAR OVER THERE BY A COMMENT SHE MADE. THE COMMENT WAS:



"I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now . :weird:

SOMETHING HUH?

JUST JOSHING LIZ. I&#39;VE BEEN STUDYING TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. Just having a

little fun with you. You know I am totally harmless. Unless you start talking about
Eve well then my ugly side emerges. :lol:

LOVE YA MUCH

E & E

[FutureMan]

<div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

Yeh what about a bit of the old AC-DC style of rock thrown in, that should liven things up a bit eh? :8:

From FutureMan

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]


It was to discuss that STEEL BAND MUSIC REGARDING THOSE TRINIDARIAN (Is that a word) KINGDOM MELODIES. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: :rofl: ,

THEY SEEM TO BE CAUSING QUITE A STIR IN THE CONGREGATIONS, B/S

JUMPING ALL AROUND JOYFULLY SHOUTING AND STUFF, HAS TO

DO WITH SOMEONE NAMED SHIKINAH THE RUMOUR HAS IT, AND HER PERSONAL

FEELINGS REGARDING GOSPEL MUSIC. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE

AN UPROAR OVER THERE BY A COMMENT SHE MADE. THE COMMENT WAS:



"I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now . :weird:

SOMETHING HUH?

JUST JOSHING LIZ. I&#39;VE BEEN STUDYING TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. Just having a

little fun with you. You know I am totally harmless. Unless you start talking about
Eve well then my ugly side emerges. :lol:

LOVE YA MUCH

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hey thats probably it lol..can picture it too.
So you havnt had any late saturday meetings :Yahoo_33:
im curious now, i know the American WT calender has their assembly and book releases before England, well thats what im lead to believe could be wrong.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

Yeh what about a bit of the old AC-DC style of rock thrown in, that should liven things up a bit eh? :8:

From FutureMan



[/b][/quote]

AC-DC :icon_rolleyes: I think i&#39;ve heard of them..

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]


It was to discuss that STEEL BAND MUSIC REGARDING THOSE TRINIDARIAN (Is that a word) KINGDOM MELODIES. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: :rofl: ,

THEY SEEM TO BE CAUSING QUITE A STIR IN THE CONGREGATIONS, B/S

JUMPING ALL AROUND JOYFULLY SHOUTING AND STUFF, HAS TO

DO WITH SOMEONE NAMED SHIKINAH THE RUMOUR HAS IT, AND HER PERSONAL

FEELINGS REGARDING GOSPEL MUSIC. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE

AN UPROAR OVER THERE BY A COMMENT SHE MADE. THE COMMENT WAS:



"I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now . :weird:

SOMETHING HUH?

JUST JOSHING LIZ. I&#39;VE BEEN STUDYING TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. Just having a

little fun with you. You know I am totally harmless. Unless you start talking about
Eve well then my ugly side emerges. :lol:

LOVE YA MUCH

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hey thats probably it lol..can picture it too.
So you havnt had any late saturday meetings :Yahoo_33:
im curious now, i know the American WT calender has their assembly and book releases before England, well thats what im lead to believe could be wrong.
[/b][/quote]


We have 6 or 7 p.m. Saturday meetings when a Bethel speaker has been invited to our congregation. That has been the only time that I know of.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]


It was to discuss that STEEL BAND MUSIC REGARDING THOSE TRINIDARIAN (Is that a word) KINGDOM MELODIES. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: :rofl: ,

THEY SEEM TO BE CAUSING QUITE A STIR IN THE CONGREGATIONS, B/S

JUMPING ALL AROUND JOYFULLY SHOUTING AND STUFF, HAS TO

DO WITH SOMEONE NAMED SHIKINAH THE RUMOUR HAS IT, AND HER PERSONAL

FEELINGS REGARDING GOSPEL MUSIC. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE

AN UPROAR OVER THERE BY A COMMENT SHE MADE. THE COMMENT WAS:



"I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now . :weird:

SOMETHING HUH?

JUST JOSHING LIZ. I&#39;VE BEEN STUDYING TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. Just having a

little fun with you. You know I am totally harmless. Unless you start talking about
Eve well then my ugly side emerges. :lol:

LOVE YA MUCH

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hey thats probably it lol..can picture it too.
So you havnt had any late saturday meetings :Yahoo_33:
im curious now, i know the American WT calender has their assembly and book releases before England, well thats what im lead to believe could be wrong.
[/b][/quote]


We have 6 or 7 p.m. Saturday meetings when a Bethel speaker has been invited to our congregation. That has been the only time that I know of.
[/b][/quote]


Thank you E&E,
I was told i could go to any meeting at the same time, nd still hear hear this talk, i guess i should have gone, then i wouldnt have to ask :icon_neutral:

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]


It was to discuss that STEEL BAND MUSIC REGARDING THOSE TRINIDARIAN (Is that a word) KINGDOM MELODIES. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: :rofl: ,

THEY SEEM TO BE CAUSING QUITE A STIR IN THE CONGREGATIONS, B/S

JUMPING ALL AROUND JOYFULLY SHOUTING AND STUFF, HAS TO

DO WITH SOMEONE NAMED SHIKINAH THE RUMOUR HAS IT, AND HER PERSONAL

FEELINGS REGARDING GOSPEL MUSIC. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE

AN UPROAR OVER THERE BY A COMMENT SHE MADE. THE COMMENT WAS:



"I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now . :weird:

SOMETHING HUH?

JUST JOSHING LIZ. I&#39;VE BEEN STUDYING TOO HARD THIS WEEKEND. Just having a

little fun with you. You know I am totally harmless. Unless you start talking about
Eve well then my ugly side emerges. :lol:

LOVE YA MUCH

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hey thats probably it lol..can picture it too.
So you havnt had any late saturday meetings :Yahoo_33:
im curious now, i know the American WT calender has their assembly and book releases before England, well thats what im lead to believe could be wrong.
[/b][/quote]


We have 6 or 7 p.m. Saturday meetings when a Bethel speaker has been invited to our congregation. That has been the only time that I know of.
[/b][/quote]


Thank you E&E,
I was told i could go to any meeting at the same time, nd still hear hear this talk, i guess i should have gone, then i wouldnt have to ask :icon_neutral:
[/b][/quote]



:icon_razz: :dontknow: ;)

Well you will make it next time if you are up to it right. OKEY DOKEY

Sisterly love,

E & E

[TheMdC]

There was a meeting yesterday evening at 6.30pm in every kingdom hall in England, this is unusual as we never have them on saturdays.. i didnt go, does any one know what the meeting entailed?[/b]
That&#39;s VERY unusual. Either there was a special announcement relating specifically to England, a special talk and all Eng. congs were connected via phone, or ???

As for the songs, I&#39;m frankly nervous about what the new ones contain. I&#39;m not about to start singing praises to the FDS.

[Anthony]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMmpjSFPG9U&feature=related" target="_blank">
</a>2009 Keep on the watch convention of Jehovah&#39;s Witness | ABC | The View |

(will start playing after 4 sec...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMmpjSFPG9U...feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMmpjSFPG9U&feature=related)

[shikinah]

I have to say they have been getting a lot of media coverage lately, and people are definately associating them with armageddon, and starting to take it more seriously. "they will have to know that i am Jehovah" and this is definately happening.

[Anthony]

The son of a family of devout Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is accused of killing his teacher after being caught fleeing the scene of her murder. Meanwhile, Lightman and the team are hired by the Democratic National Committee to investigate a second case in which the Chairman of the House Ethics Committee is accused of unethical behavior in the "Pilot" episode of LIE TO ME airing Monday, June 15

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=lietome

[imjustaskin]

The son of a family of devout Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is accused of killing his teacher after being caught fleeing the scene of her murder. Meanwhile, Lightman and the team are hired by the Democratic National Committee to investigate a second case in which the Chairman of the House Ethics Committee is accused of unethical behavior in the "Pilot" episode of LIE TO ME airing Monday, June 15

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=lietome[/b]

Love this show, btw, but this particular episode was stereotypical and not accurate.

[Anthony]

I am so pleased to hear that the Society has produced a video showcasing the wonders of creation. That harkens back to the monumental production of 1914, the Photo Drama of Creation. I have always been disappointed that the WT has not used its vast resources to do another epic like that. Unfortunately, they have left it to the likes of Hollywood to produce programs like Jesus of Nazareth (not bad actually) and Mel Gibson&#39;s atrocious movie about the death of Christ.

You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman[/b]


Keep on the watch 2009 District Convention of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses — New Releases

http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/p...h-new-releases/ (http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/posts/keep-on-the-watch-new-releases/)

9183223 password

[Jinnvisible]

You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman[/b]

I think Elijah&#39;s life would be cinematic.

[James]

<div class='quotemain'>You know how we all have fantasies and sometimes day dream about what we wish we could do? Well, if I had the resources I would love to do a big screen movie starting with creation and Eden and ending at the end of the thousand years. With the special effects available today it is virtually possible to present everything n the Bible in a realistic way, including the visions. Anyway, I know I am dreaming.

watchman[/b]

I think Elijah&#39;s life would be cinematic.
[/b][/quote]

So would Noahs&#39;. Wait....it is!

[Nightflyer]

From information I have gathered from various sources, the GB is well aware that their prophetic time-line is faulty. A sister shared with me one of the GB&#39;s talks, "What Does the Future Hold?", and said it was dubbed "The Six Comings of Christ" by locals because that&#39;s exactly what the talk outlined, how Jesus returns six different times. The speaker introduced new ideas, much like Rutherford did with his "The Birth of a Nation" article in 1925. It wasn&#39;t until 1930 that the WT officially changed their doctrine in regard to 1874 and 1914.

If anyone finds the new song book on MP3 format online, please do share the links! :8:[/b]

Is the GB really aware of this? I would love to hear more.

That 6 comings of Christ is one of the most horrible talks I&#39;ve ever heard.

I dont think those mp3s will be available before Sept 1st.

Btw, I think there was some good stuff in this years DC.

[watchman]

Their coming up with the cockamamie notion of six comings of Christ is actually part of the fulfillment of prophecy of Isaiah, that says: "For the couch has proved too short for stretching oneself on, and the woven sheet itself is too narrow when wrapping oneself up."

No matter how hard they try to twist the scriptures to fit with their 1914 doctrine, they just can&#39;t cover themselves from exposure or get comfortable for very long.

Watchman

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'>From information I have gathered from various sources, the GB is well aware that their prophetic time-line is faulty. A sister shared with me one of the GB&#39;s talks, "What Does the Future Hold?", and said it was dubbed "The Six Comings of Christ" by locals because that&#39;s exactly what the talk outlined, how Jesus returns six different times. The speaker introduced new ideas, much like Rutherford did with his "The Birth of a Nation" article in 1925. It wasn&#39;t until 1930 that the WT officially changed their doctrine in regard to 1874 and 1914.

If anyone finds the new song book on MP3 format online, please do share the links! :8:[/b]

Is the GB really aware of this? I would love to hear more.

That 6 comings of Christ is one of the most horrible talks I&#39;ve ever heard.

I dont think those mp3s will be available before Sept 1st.

Btw, I think there was some good stuff in this years DC.
[/b][/quote]

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>From information I have gathered from various sources, the GB is well aware that their prophetic time-line is faulty. A sister shared with me one of the GB&#39;s talks, "What Does the Future Hold?", and said it was dubbed "The Six Comings of Christ" by locals because that&#39;s exactly what the talk outlined, how Jesus returns six different times. The speaker introduced new ideas, much like Rutherford did with his "The Birth of a Nation" article in 1925. It wasn&#39;t until 1930 that the WT officially changed their doctrine in regard to 1874 and 1914.

If anyone finds the new song book on MP3 format online, please do share the links! :8:[/b]

Is the GB really aware of this? I would love to hear more.

That 6 comings of Christ is one of the most horrible talks I&#39;ve ever heard.

I dont think those mp3s will be available before Sept 1st.

Btw, I think there was some good stuff in this years DC.
[/b][/quote]
[/b][/quote]




************************************************** ***************
I am not writing to Nightflyer - it is just that the last sentence in his expressions regarding the DC made me think the following:

My DC is the 2nd week in July. Truthfully, I am looking forward to hearing what will be presented. I will also respectfully listen and take notes that I find helpful to myself and others.

The talk at our KH yesterday had some good stuff in it also. In fact the talk was
great, but the brother at the end was very firm and his whole body language changed in his conclusion when he started thanking the org and the slave for all this wonderful food we get.

He seemed (My opinion) to get very emotional when he started talking about FLASHES OF LIGHT, AND HE SAID IT TWO OR THREE TIMES HOW THE LIGHT HAS FLASHED TO GIVE US UNDERSTANDING OVER THE YEARS AND UP TO OUR PRESENT TIME. ALSO HOW THE ORG HAS PROGRESSED DUE TO THESE FLASHES OF LIGHT. He did not thank Jehovah, he thanked the org and the slave. I guess to him that means the same thing.

What I am thankful for is that Jehovah has allowed the truth about the truth to
shine through and I am thankful that many are becoming aware of what is and what is not real and how we truly are to worship Jehovah in spirit and in truth. I used to think the same way regarding the slave and the org before Jehovah&#39;s spirit opened my eyes.

The only problem I have is who they give thanks to. I like to thank Jehovah for sending us the helper, his holy spirit and for giving us his son to follow as a model. For years I and I know many others just went along with the program. Now we understand just going along is not what pleases Jehovah. We have to make sure, we are responsible to Jehovah for that.

************************************************** ***************

Also just wanted to share a little side point
(My thoughts/observations) unrelated before I close, I noticed something in the
July 2009 KM (Page 2) Title of topic to be discussed: A Circuit Assembly to Help Us Safeguard Our Spirituality - under the subheading How Beneficial in paragraph 4 it reads:

Indeed, Jehovah is the Provider of this good gift. The program prepared by the FAITHFUL SLAVE CLASS will be just what we need to carry on as Christian ministers. We are grateful to Jehovah for all his loving provisions helping us to "hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering." Heb 10:23-25; Jas 1:17.

It is not a big deal, I just noticed they said FS instead of FDS, but again, not a big deal, I just find it interesting that they had to say program prepared by FS. Why do they keep saying FDS or FS or GB, (Rhetorical question/thought) why not just what the paragraph starts off with: INDEED, JEHOVAH IS THE PROVIDER OF THIS GOOD GIFT. THE PROGRAM PREPARED IS JUST WHAT WE NEED ..........ETC......................

Just my little thoughts I am sharing with the board. Everyone have a good day.


E & E

John 14:15-17

15) If you love me, you will observe my commandments;

16) and I will request the Father and he will give you ANOTHER HELPER to be with you forever;

17) THE SPIRIT OF THE TRUTH, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in you.

[TheMdC]

I have a couple hypotheses about why they seem to dwell on mentioning the FDS so much, even at times awkwardly forcing a mention into an article or talk outline that has nothing at all to do with the subject.

Perception is reality in this world. Say something enough times and it becomes an accepted truth. Get enough people on board with it and you no longer need to address questions or provide proofs because, well, "everybody knows that!" And you will notice that most mentions of the FDS in recent years are simply dogmatic statements that the GB IS
THE FDS of Matthew 24:45-47 without further explanation.

Another possibility is that there are those in writing who KNOW it&#39;s a baloney misapplication of scripture and know that the B/S with sense know it, too. Mentioning the FDS in an article could be some sort of signal. Maybe a signal that "this article has been edited by a hardliner" or something else. I don&#39;t know.

Or there is always the chance that some of the writers are "true believers" but that seems like the most far fetched idea of all. I mean, most of those brothers who do the actual research and writing are not anointed in this day and age; they&#39;re just guys like you and I. They presumably get a topic or list of topics from the GB and then go do their research and write their article(s), then submit it for editing and approval (I&#39;m guessing at this but it seems the logical way things would be done). The GB do little of the actual writing, right? So knowing where the article really came from would seem to make the "true believer" theory less likely, wouldn&#39;t it? Unless it&#39;s a way for a "true believer" other sheep writer to glom on to some of the glory of the FDS.

The more I think out loud on this topic the less sure I am about any of the reasons. Maybe there isn&#39;t just one reason for it, but I think it&#39;s obvious that the FDS is mentioned A LOT, even in articles that have nothing to do with the FDS.

[Eyes & Ears]

I have a couple hypotheses about why they seem to dwell on mentioning the FDS so much, even at times awkwardly forcing a mention into an article or talk outline that has nothing at all to do with the subject.

Perception is reality in this world. Say something enough times and it becomes an accepted truth. Get enough people on board with it and you no longer need to address questions or provide proofs because, well, "everybody knows that!" And you will notice that most mentions of the FDS in recent years are simply dogmatic statements that the GB IS
THE FDS of Matthew 24:45-47 without further explanation.

Another possibility is that there are those in writing who KNOW it&#39;s a baloney misapplication of scripture and know that the B/S with sense know it, too. Mentioning the FDS in an article could be some sort of signal. Maybe a signal that "this article has been edited by a hardliner" or something else. I don&#39;t know.

Or there is always the chance that some of the writers are "true believers" but that seems like the most far fetched idea of all. I mean, most of those brothers who do the actual research and writing are not anointed in this day and age; they&#39;re just guys like you and I. They presumably get a topic or list of topics from the GB and then go do their research and write their article(s), then submit it for editing and approval (I&#39;m guessing at this but it seems the logical way things would be done). The GB do little of the actual writing, right? So knowing where the article really came from would seem to make the "true believer" theory less likely, wouldn&#39;t it? Unless it&#39;s a way for a "true believer" other sheep writer to glom on to some of the glory of the FDS.

The more I think out loud on this topic the less sure I am about any of the reasons. Maybe there isn&#39;t just one reason for it, but I think it&#39;s obvious that the FDS is mentioned A LOT, even in articles that have nothing to do with the FDS.[/b]


Thanks TMDC. I always enjoy your well balanced thoughts. You along with
many others on board, help to straighten me out when I am tipping over to the side of the boat too much almost ready to fall off. WHOA-MAN (WOMAN) OVER BOARD. :ban_dance01: :icon_razz: (LOL)

Best to you and your family TMDC.

E & E

[imjustaskin]

Perception is reality in this world. Say something enough times and it becomes an accepted truth. Get enough people on board with it and you no longer need to address questions or provide proofs because, well, "everybody knows that!" And you will notice that most mentions of the FDS in recent years are simply dogmatic statements that the GB IS
THE FDS of Matthew 24:45-47 without further explanation.[/b]


This is so true! After being away from the org for about 10 years, I started researching things, and one thing was what gave the organization such power. I resolved to look up their reasons and scriptural backup with an open mind. In every article I found, there WAS ONLY THE ONE SCRIPTURE (Mt 24:45-47). I kept thinking, "That&#39;s it? That&#39;s all they&#39;ve got???" Because when you read the bible as a whole, you could just go right over that scripture. It doesn&#39;t particularly stand out, like it&#39;s something you&#39;re basing a whole doctrine on.

My personal feeling about why they keep stressing "faithful slave" this and "faithful slave" that is something big is coming. Either they are trying to prep for the big letdown when they have to change the 1914 thing, or they are about to give some totally far out instruction they don&#39;t want to be questioned. Just a feeling, though!

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[Peter]

Thought I&#39;d type &#39;Keep on the Watch&#39; into Google to see what others had been saying about the convention – to my surprise top of the list was Keep on the Watch (http://www.e-watchman.com/essays/keep-on-the-watch.html).

I don&#39;t know much about how it all works and correct me if I&#39;m wrong but the more hits a site has the higher the Google rating.

Have brothers been typing &#39;Keep on the Watch&#39; to checkout the convention only to find e-watchman – really what an inappropriate tile for a convention if they wish to keep individuals from seeking the truth.

Does anyone know if the convention discusses internet use relating to JW&#39;s?

[steff]

Thought I&#39;d type &#39;Keep on the Watch&#39; into Google to see what others had been saying about the convention – to my surprise top of the list was Keep on the Watch (http://www.e-watchman.com/essays/keep-on-the-watch.html).

I don&#39;t know much about how it all works and correct me if I&#39;m wrong but the more hits a site has the higher the Google rating.

Have brothers been typing &#39;Keep on the Watch&#39; to checkout the convention only to find e-watchman – really what an inappropriate tile for a convention if they wish to keep individuals from seeking the truth.

Does anyone know if the convention discusses internet use relating to JW&#39;s?[/b]



lol :)


it&#39;s just as you said! Robert&#39;s Article is on second place!! I wonder how many JW&#39;s would read it...



steff

[panda]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Do you see what looking after your grandchild all day, sun, and heat doest to you, causes exhaustion and delusions :wacko:
Steel band music is made by making indents into a steel lid, which when hit creates different notes, they can be seen at carnivals. My sister has a cd of kingdom melodies in this style.[/b]
:o
Not in plain old piano or a-capella?
Must be from one of those liberal big city congregations I&#39;ve been warned about.

In one of my old congregations, the elders frowned on brothers playing Kingdom Melodies on electric guitars because those are "rock and roll" instruments and "rock and roll" is the devil.
:icon_rolleyes:

Save every recording of your old favorites while you can. 132 of them are on the endangered list. On the bright side, maybe if one of your faves didn&#39;t make the cut for the new millennium songbook, it will be ok to rock it out.
[/b][/quote]

I dont know where the cd was from, but i think each country should be aloud to express their praise to Jehovah in their tradition..Just because over 100 years ago classical and violins was the music of the day, doesnt mean we should still have it. Why not some of the Hebrew or eastern influence how it was thousands of years ago, that would be authentic too. Oh yes i was telling a friend of mine about the WT getting of rid of some songs and adding new ones, and he said i can understand them adding new songs, but getting rid of the old ones sound sinister.
[/b][/quote]

Nice point... why can we only sing praises to Jehovah trough classical music? I have wondered about that myself... isnt it about expressinf our feelings towards Jah? Why can we not use any form of music we would like? After all, Jah is the creator of all sorts of music, he made us this way, with our potential to come up with all sorts of musical instruments, why can we not use them for praises? Personaly, allthough being a "white girl", I have a VERY BIG weakness for gospel music... I feel there is no praises for God more joyfull, atmospheric and full of heartfelt emotion... I could realy imagine a nice gospel choir in the kingdom hall, and people standing and dancing, singing with joy and heartfelt, not murmering, almost lipsinging as most do now lol
[/b][/quote]


Rogue, your so right, im only a half white girl lol, but it would be lovely to praise Jehovah with deep felt soul moving music, with live instruments..and gopspel was developed by the slaves, i bet the Israelite slaves had a few songs too apart from "by the rivers of babylon"[/b][/b][/quote]I&#39;m all for that, would be so heartfelt singing soul and or gospel sounds, terrible person I am. :icon_twisted:

Be interesting what the lyrics of these new songs are? I hope not to many are not singing the praises of the GB :icon8: or any at all, do you think they would do it? ha one just never knows how far they have dipped.

Back to the positive of the music, would be nice to have some more rhythm. :8:

[TheMdC]

This is so true! After being away from the org for about 10 years, I started researching things, and one thing was what gave the organization such power. I resolved to look up their reasons and scriptural backup with an open mind. In every article I found, there WAS ONLY THE ONE SCRIPTURE (Mt 24:45-47). I kept thinking, "That&#39;s it? That&#39;s all they&#39;ve got???" Because when you read the bible as a whole, you could just go right over that scripture. It doesn&#39;t particularly stand out, like it&#39;s something you&#39;re basing a whole doctrine on.

My personal feeling about why they keep stressing "faithful slave" this and "faithful slave" that is something big is coming. Either they are trying to prep for the big letdown when they have to change the 1914 thing, or they are about to give some totally far out instruction they don&#39;t want to be questioned. Just a feeling, though![/b]
There really isn&#39;t evidence that Matthew 24:45-47 is a specific prophecy, AT ALL. We are all slaves of Christ. Who really is faithful? That seems more like a rhetorical question than a specific prophecy. Obviously some slaves would be faithful and discreet and some would be evil. Jesus outlines the future rewards for each. Where&#39;s the prophecy that says, "there will be A faithful and discreet slave, BUT it won&#39;t be A slave, it will be a CLASS, but not an ENTIRE class, just a boardroom tableful of old men who represent the rest of the class?"

[billy2]

Matthew 24 does seam to indicate there will be some some in charge over others - and other scriptures speak of sheperds - but i have found there is definetly something wrong with these ones who are in charge and the sheperds within the wto


45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, &#39;My master is staying away a long time,&#39; 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[Juan23]

AC-DC :icon_rolleyes: I think i&#39;ve heard of them..[/b]
Heard of them too. I couldn&#39;t understand a word they&#39;re shouting; but the gestures they make (putting horns on their heads and satanic salutes) are unmistakable.

[James]

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[Juan]

Hello all, I am knew to this forum but I think its great so far.... anyways, back to the topic:

I attended the convention in Bloomington, Illinois July 3-5, attendance was 7,908 on Sunday. I thought the convention was the best one I have ever attended. It will definitely be remembered as a historic event. The new publications are great.

Before the convention I was having serious doubts about the whole organization and this convention answered A LOT of the questions I had, although I&#39;m still skeptical or don&#39;t fully understand some things yet. But I look at the GB with appreciation now for the way they prepared the convention and its theme because it shows they care about the moral stance of christian families.

**A brother from Bethel gave the closing discussion on Sunday where he read an official declaration of JWs written by the GB, and we were asked to respond by saying yes aloud??. Did everyone else do that? It was directed to the government I think?**

So yea the convention greatly motivated me in the perfect time. The FDS truly is informed and is definitely on the "watch". The theme was exactly what we needed to hear this year.

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[gertie]

Hello all, I am knew to this forum but I think its great so far.... anyways, back to the topic:

I attended the convention in Bloomington, Illinois July 3-5, attendance was 7,908 on Sunday. I thought the convention was the best one I have ever attended. It will definitely be remembered as a historic event. The new publications are great.

Before the convention I was having serious doubts about the whole organization and this convention answered A LOT of the questions I had, although I&#39;m still skeptical or don&#39;t fully understand some things yet. But I look at the GB with appreciation now for the way they prepared the convention and its theme because it shows they care about the moral stance of christian families.

**A brother from Bethel gave the closing discussion on Sunday where he read an official declaration of JWs written by the GB, and we were asked to respond by saying yes aloud??. Did everyone else do that? It was directed to the government I think?**

So yea the convention greatly motivated me in the perfect time. The FDS truly is informed and is definitely on the "watch". The theme was exactly what we needed to hear this year.[/b]


Hi Juan big welcome :wave:

Just interested in what the closing discussion was about. What declaration? I know others on the board have attended the convention, but I don&#39;t recall anyone mentioning it (especially as they were encouraged to say YES to it.)
Brain cells are working overtime here :Yahoo_33:

gertie xx

[TheMdC]

It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.

[steff]

Hello all, I am knew to this forum but I think its great so far.... anyways, back to the topic:

I attended the convention in Bloomington, Illinois July 3-5, attendance was 7,908 on Sunday. I thought the convention was the best one I have ever attended. It will definitely be remembered as a historic event. The new publications are great.

Before the convention I was having serious doubts about the whole organization and this convention answered A LOT of the questions I had, although I&#39;m still skeptical or don&#39;t fully understand some things yet. But I look at the GB with appreciation now for the way they prepared the convention and its theme because it shows they care about the moral stance of christian families.

**A brother from Bethel gave the closing discussion on Sunday where he read an official declaration of JWs written by the GB, and we were asked to respond by saying yes aloud??. Did everyone else do that? It was directed to the government I think?**

So yea the convention greatly motivated me in the perfect time. The FDS truly is informed and is definitely on the "watch". The theme was exactly what we needed to hear this year.[/b]


Hello!!




Welcome to DB :)

In my area we have "Keep on the watch" convention at the end of this month and after your post I can&#39;t wait :)

Did you received this DVD about creation??



Many blessings,



steff

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[Juan]

It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]


Yes from what I remember, it was an official declaration directed to the public -specifically the government- which announces our "official" alliance to Jehovah&#39;s kingdom and that our submission to world governments are only temporary until God&#39;s Kingdom arrives. The declaration also said something about JWs realizing that man made governments constantly fail.

I hope most brothers realize the significance of this declaration. When I consider the recent political trend, I cant agree more with the GB&#39;s timing for this declaration to be announced/released. The whole theme emphasized "urgency" and the importance to staying awake.

Our declaration will be crucial during the time that the government begins to criminalize religion.

[Eyes & Ears]

Not to put a damper on anything. But my sincere question and I do mean sincere is why in the world do we need to make declarations. Who are we making them to and for what? Is it necessary? Did Jesus and his followers go through any of this type of thing :icon_neutral: Can&#39;t I just serve my heavenly father without all this?

Does the government give a hoot about any declaration we make? Are we trying to get the government&#39;s negative attention drawn to us, and then say we are being persecuted if and when a backlash occurs? I am being sincere, please help me understand this declaration activity. (for lack of better wording) I&#39;m just trying to figure out what all the excitement is about.

Yes I do respect the hardwork that goes into these gatherings. But I do have to question some things.


Will be attending Friday for first day. Going Saturday and Sunday in August. Can&#39;t handle three days back to back anymore.. It is too much for this (ahem) mature body and half of a mind.

Sisterly love

E & E

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'>It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]


Yes from what I remember, it was an official declaration directed to the public -specifically the government- which announces our "official" alliance to Jehovah&#39;s kingdom and that our submission to world governments are only temporary until God&#39;s Kingdom arrives. The declaration also said something about JWs realizing that man made governments constantly fail.

I hope most brothers realize the significance of this declaration. When I consider the recent political trend, I cant agree more with the GB&#39;s timing for this declaration to be announced/released. The whole theme emphasized "urgency" and the importance to staying awake.

Our declaration will be crucial during the time that the government begins to criminalize religion.
[/b][/quote]


Me thinks this should be used with caution. But hmmmm who am I? I can see some of us going off the deep end causing undue attention to themselves and their families without using soundness of mind. But again, these are just my little thoughts.

By the way Juan, hope you enjoy your time here on board. :wave:

E & E

[FutureMan]

<div class='quotemain'>It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]


Yes from what I remember, it was an official declaration directed to the public -specifically the government- which announces our "official" alliance to Jehovah&#39;s kingdom and that our submission to world governments are only temporary until God&#39;s Kingdom arrives. The declaration also said something about JWs realizing that man made governments constantly fail.

I hope most brothers realize the significance of this declaration. When I consider the recent political trend, I cant agree more with the GB&#39;s timing for this declaration to be announced/released. The whole theme emphasized "urgency" and the importance to staying awake.

Our declaration will be crucial during the time that the government begins to criminalize religion.
[/b][/quote]

Yes it reminds me of a watered down declaration that was made in Germany for the brothers at an assembly there in the second world war.

As a result many of our dear brothers were persecuted and thrown into Nazi concentration camps.

From FutureMan

[FutureMan]

It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]

When I was in the Congregation I did personally know some who claimed to be of the anointed class and I tell you right now that many of them would be confused as to what is going on in the organization.

One brother in particular that I knew about ten years ago, was so confused about the teaching of 1914 that he thought the Great Tribulation must have started since 1914 and ongoing.

Such is the result of trying to squeeze onto a couch that is to small for you. Not a comfortable fit.

I had a faithful old elder tell me not so long ago, in his own words that when it comes to Bible prophecy, that the brothers simply got it wrong. That was his belief at that time and he is still a serving elder today.

And that is the simple truth, they got it wrong.
This is not simply a case of the light getting brighter and brighter.

Now the question we all need to ask is, does the Holy Spirit get it wrong?

From FutureMan

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'>It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]

When I was in the Congregation I did personally know some who claimed to be of the anointed class and I tell you right now that many of them would be confused as to what is going on in the organization.

One brother in particular that I knew about ten years ago, was so confused about the teaching of 1914 that he thought the Great Tribulation must have started since 1914 and ongoing.

Such is the result of trying to squeeze onto a couch that is to small for you. Not a comfortable fit.

I had a faithful old elder tell me not so long ago, in his own words that when it comes to Bible prophecy, that the brothers simply got it wrong. That was his belief at that time and he is still a serving elder today.

And that is the simple truth, they got it wrong.
This is not simply a case of the light getting brighter and brighter.

Now the question we all need to ask is, does the Holy Spirit get it wrong?

From FutureMan




[/b][/quote]


No the Holy Spirit never gets it wrong, from what i see Jehovah guides individuals and their are millions of faithfull witnesses around the world, but as for the actual Watch Tower i personally think Jehovah uses it as he did the Israelites, to steer and guide the flock, but his Holy Spirit has nothing to do with false prophesy and UN agendas, thats the man of lawlessness which Jehovah will expose in his due time. In the book of Isaiah Jehovah says his own high priests would worship him while in the same breath sacrifice to baal. Why would it be any different today. These men are wise in their own eyes, thinking Jehovah dont acknowledge their actions, but how wrong they are, because Jehovah will hold each one accountable for the stumbling of his flock, the abuse of Christs ransom and the dishonour of Jehovahs holy name.

[Cephalon]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>It was a declaration that we support only Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom and that our subjection to governments is only relative, IIRC. That&#39;s the part I recall and said "yes" to, anyway.

Anyone else remember more details?

Utuna, could you please tell me what the "NT:####" are referencing? Is that from a reference Bible or other research book? Thanks.

Also, while your explanation of the FDS verses make sense, if the only solid support for applying it only to the anointed is the use of the word, "steward," then that&#39;s kind of tenuous. It may be correct but it certainly isn&#39;t really solid enough to use in the dogmatic fashion that the org tends to use it, especially in light of the fact that they don&#39;t seem to have a 100% accurate understanding of the anointed doctrine in the first place. I&#39;d like to see more "probably" and "maybe" in the literature and in talks.

Speaking of anointed, does anyone here know any anointed personally? I wonder what they&#39;re thinking and saying lately.[/b]

When I was in the Congregation I did personally know some who claimed to be of the anointed class and I tell you right now that many of them would be confused as to what is going on in the organization.

One brother in particular that I knew about ten years ago, was so confused about the teaching of 1914 that he thought the Great Tribulation must have started since 1914 and ongoing.

Such is the result of trying to squeeze onto a couch that is to small for you. Not a comfortable fit.

I had a faithful old elder tell me not so long ago, in his own words that when it comes to Bible prophecy, that the brothers simply got it wrong. That was his belief at that time and he is still a serving elder today.

And that is the simple truth, they got it wrong.
This is not simply a case of the light getting brighter and brighter.

Now the question we all need to ask is, does the Holy Spirit get it wrong?

From FutureMan




[/b][/quote]


No the Holy Spirit never gets it wrong, from what i see Jehovah guides individuals and their are millions of faithfull witnesses around the world, but as for the actual Watch Tower i personally think Jehovah uses it as he did the Israelites, to steer and guide the flock, but his Holy Spirit has nothing to do with false prophesy and UN agendas, thats the man of lawlessness which Jehovah will expose in his due time. In the book of Isaiah Jehovah says his own high priests would worship him while in the same breath sacrifice to baal. Why would it be any different today. These men are wise in their own eyes, thinking Jehovah dont acknowledge their actions, but how wrong they are, because Jehovah will hold each one accountable for the stumbling of his flock, the abuse of Christs ransom and the dishonour of Jehovahs holy name.
[/b][/quote]

Beautifully said Shikinah. :y: :applaudit:
The Holy Spirit never gets it wrong, just like it never got it wrong in the 1st century even though there were problems back then too. The problem is the individuals.
Being anointed does not automatically shield one from sins and from doing bad deeds. It&#39;s up to the individual to fight to the end and stay faithful.
Jesus did not get it wrong either even though he personally chose Judas.

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[shikinah]

Cephalon thank you,
what hurts the most is when you try your hardest to explain to an individual who at one time took an interest in the truth, that the false prophesies and UN agenda has nothing to do with Jehovah. When i came into the truth early 8o&#39;s we had the truth book and bible, things were simple and straight forward. Now we have the internet which gives access to material which even some in the organisation doesnt know exist. Many today dont take things at face value but do their research first, because this is their life they are talking about. These uncovered errors have become stumbling blocks and whats worse we have no valid answers as to why and how these things have come about by Jehovahs prophet the Watchtower. God is love and thats what keeps us going, these things test the very core of our faith, all we can do is trust in Jehovah and not in noble man, or we will forever be disappointed.

[FutureMan]

Cephalon thank you,
what hurts the most is when you try your hardest to explain to an individual who at one time took an interest in the truth, that the false prophesies and UN agenda has nothing to do with Jehovah. When i came into the truth early 8o&#39;s we had the truth book and bible, things were simple and straight forward. Now we have the internet which gives access to material which even some in the organisation doesnt know exist. Many today dont take things at face value but do their research first, because this is their life they are talking about. These uncovered errors have become stumbling blocks and whats worse we have no valid answers as to why and how these things have come about by Jehovahs prophet the Watchtower. God is love and thats what keeps us going, these things test the very core of our faith, all we can do is trust in Jehovah and not in noble man, or we will forever be disappointed.[/b]

Okay when it comes to the operation of the Holy Spirit let&#39;s first take a look at God&#39;s people the "nation of Israel"

Were all the kings righteous?
I think most of us know the answer to that one.
In fact only a few were considered righteous before God.
What about the rest of the nation of Israel, were most of them righteous despite their kings misdemeanors?
Bible history indicates that they did not stay faithful, instead they followed their king into wickedness as well, except for a small minority.
Okay now when we come to the Holy Spirit, who was it really with?
Was it not the prophets that were raised up to bring the people back to true worship?
Were they not the ones to warn their own people of the coming judgment upon them if they did not repent and change their ways to bring their worship back to the true God?

Now let&#39;s go to the 1st century Christian congregation, were the majority of Christians faithful at that time?
I think history reveals that this was the case, though there were a minority trying to change some of the teachings of the apostles.

So was the Holy Spirit with these ones?
Yes we can say confidently that it was, at least while the apostles were still alive and looked to as prophets and the pillars of the Christian congregation.

When did God&#39;s spirit leave the christian congregation as a whole back then?
Well you could say that God&#39;s spirit started to be withdrawn as the wolves who were teachers started to infiltrate and turn the Christian congregation away from true worship and from following Christ as the apostles did when they were alive on the earth.

By the time of the beginning of the "man of lawlessness", which I believe to be Constantine and those like him at that time, continued on down through the ages until our time when we now have a large body of clergy like leaders who claim to represent God and his son, Christ Jesus.

And yes I do believe also that the "man of lawlessness" are some of those who are in the position as leaders today and are in our own organization, who are inadvertently diverting there members away from true worship and thereby effecting the operation of God&#39;s Spirit on all those who follow them and their arrangement of things.

Did the Bible say that the man of lawlessness would be your average Joe in the Christian congregation? No.

Look at this scripture again, and you will see that this is not the case.

2 Thessalonians 2 [LITV]
3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God. Dan. 11:36; Eze. 28:2
5 Do you not remember that I told you these things, I yet being with you?
6 And now you know the thing holding back, for him to be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst.
8 And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4

Now far be it for me to say who really is the "man of lawlessness", but this is for our Lord Jesus Christ to determine and reveal to us when he comes, but we can at least determine this for ourselves by the nature of our teachers and the effect that their teaching have on the congregations or church as Constantine had an effect on the Christian congregation back then.

Today many in the Christian congregation, especially in the organization of Jehovah&#39;s witnesses who claim to represent Jehovah himself by taking on his name, are being stumbled betrayed by the very ones who are called shepherds and are suppose to guide and teach them to the path of salvation and everlasting life under the head of the Christian congregation who of course is Jesus Christ.

The very policies of this organization is effecting how it&#39;s members think and act.
The policies of men who think men&#39;s thoughts and not that of God.

Brother Russell who was not perfect, but still he was a kind and gentle but firm teacher, was on the right track when he made the statement that we should not be like the organizations of this world or like the organized religions of this world.

He recognized how corrupt men could sneak in and take control of an organized religion or organization.

Even if they were not corrupt in the first place they could be influenced by Satan and corrupted and start to control the congregation to their own way of seeing things or doing things, thereby leaving God&#39;s way, and conforming to the world&#39;s way which is under the control ultimately by Satan the devil.

It did back then in the early Christian congregation and certainly is possible today.

Now some of you might not agree with me, but this is my own opinion and slant on the matter.

Just some of my thoughts, from FutureMan

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'>Cephalon thank you,
what hurts the most is when you try your hardest to explain to an individual who at one time took an interest in the truth, that the false prophesies and UN agenda has nothing to do with Jehovah. When i came into the truth early 8o&#39;s we had the truth book and bible, things were simple and straight forward. Now we have the internet which gives access to material which even some in the organisation doesnt know exist. Many today dont take things at face value but do their research first, because this is their life they are talking about. These uncovered errors have become stumbling blocks and whats worse we have no valid answers as to why and how these things have come about by Jehovahs prophet the Watchtower. God is love and thats what keeps us going, these things test the very core of our faith, all we can do is trust in Jehovah and not in noble man, or we will forever be disappointed.[/b]

Okay when it comes to the operation of the Holy Spirit let&#39;s first take a look at God&#39;s people the "nation of Israel"

Were all the kings righteous?
I think most of us know the answer to that one.
In fact only a few were considered righteous before God.
What about the rest of the nation of Israel, were most of them righteous despite their kings misdemeanors?
Bible history indicates that they did not stay faithful, instead they followed their king into wickedness as well, except for a small minority.
Okay now when we come to the Holy Spirit, who was it really with?
Was it not the prophets that were raised up to bring the people back to true worship?
Were they not the ones to warn their own people of the coming judgment upon them if they did not repent and change their ways to bring their worship back to the true God?

Now let&#39;s go to the 1st century Christian congregation, were the majority of Christians faithful at that time?
I think history reveals that this was the case, though there were a minority trying to change some of the teachings of the apostles.

So was the Holy Spirit with these ones?
Yes we can say confidently that it was, at least while the apostles were still alive and looked to as prophets and the pillars of the Christian congregation.

When did God&#39;s spirit leave the christian congregation as a whole back then?
Well you could say that God&#39;s spirit started to be withdrawn as the wolves who were teachers started to infiltrate and turn the Christian congregation away from true worship and from following Christ as the apostles did when they were alive on the earth.

By the time of the beginning of the "man of lawlessness", which I believe to be Constantine and those like him at that time, continued on down through the ages until our time when we now have a large body of clergy like leaders who claim to represent God and his son, Christ Jesus.

And yes I do believe also that the "man of lawlessness" are some of those who are in the position as leaders today and are in our own organization, who are inadvertently diverting there members away from true worship and thereby effecting the operation of God&#39;s Spirit on all those who follow them and their arrangement of things.

Did the Bible say that the man of lawlessness would be your average Joe in the Christian congregation? No.

Look at this scripture again, and you will see that this is not the case.

2 Thessalonians 2 [LITV]
3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God. Dan. 11:36; Eze. 28:2
5 Do you not remember that I told you these things, I yet being with you?
6 And now you know the thing holding back, for him to be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst.
8 And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4

Now far be it for me to say who really is the "man of lawlessness", but this is for our Lord Jesus Christ to determine and reveal to us when he comes, but we can at least determine this for ourselves by the nature of our teachers and the effect that their teaching have on the congregations or church as Constantine had an effect on the Christian congregation back then.

Today many in the Christian congregation, especially in the organization of Jehovah&#39;s witnesses who claim to represent Jehovah himself by taking on his name, are being stumbled betrayed by the very ones who are called shepherds and are suppose to guide and teach them to the path of salvation and everlasting life under the head of the Christian congregation who of course is Jesus Christ.

The very policies of this organization is effecting how it&#39;s members think and act.
The policies of men who think men&#39;s thoughts and not that of God.

Brother Russell who was not perfect, but still he was a kind and gentle but firm teacher, was on the right track when he made the statement that we should not be like the organizations of this world or like the organized religions of this world.

He recognized how corrupt men could sneak in and take control of an organized religion or organization.

Even if they were not corrupt in the first place they could be influenced by Satan and corrupted and start to control the congregation to their own way of seeing things or doing things, thereby leaving God&#39;s way, and conforming to the world&#39;s way which is under the control ultimately by Satan the devil.

It did back then in the early Christian congregation and certainly is possible today.

Now some of you might not agree with me, but this is my own opinion and slant on the matter.

Just some of my thoughts, from FutureMan


[/b][/quote]


:y: :y: :y: :y:

E & E

[TheMdC]

<snip for brevity>

Today many in the Christian congregation, especially in the organization of Jehovah&#39;s witnesses who claim to represent Jehovah himself by taking on his name, are being stumbled betrayed by the very ones who are called shepherds and are suppose to guide and teach them to the path of salvation and everlasting life under the head of the Christian congregation who of course is Jesus Christ.

The very policies of this organization is effecting how it&#39;s members think and act.
The policies of men who think men&#39;s thoughts and not that of God.

Brother Russell who was not perfect, but still he was a kind and gentle but firm teacher, was on the right track when he made the statement that we should not be like the organizations of this world or like the organized religions of this world.

He recognized how corrupt men could sneak in and take control of an organized religion or organization.

Even if they were not corrupt in the first place they could be influenced by Satan and corrupted and start to control the congregation to their own way of seeing things or doing things, thereby leaving God&#39;s way, and conforming to the world&#39;s way which is under the control ultimately by Satan the devil.

It did back then in the early Christian congregation and certainly is possible today.

Now some of you might not agree with me, but this is my own opinion and slant on the matter.

Just some of my thoughts, from FutureMan

[/size][/b]
The truth of what you are saying saddens me. And I&#39;ll add that it doesn&#39;t take many corrupt individuals to ruin an organization. If there are enough sheeple who will follow without question, it only takes a few assertive individuals to lead them astray. It&#39;s sad because among the misled are many of our friends and family. How many of them will be stumbled away from Jehovah when Jesus comes to clean house?

How many have already been stumbled away?

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[shikinah]

I totally agree FutureMan,
We are blessed to have the veil of deception removed from our eyes. God gave us wisdom in his word the bible, and Jesus said dig as if for hidden treasure. Its also up to us to do our individual search, i guess thats why we are all here :)

[billy2]

Not to put a damper on anything. But my sincere question and I do mean sincere is why in the world do we need to make declarations. Who are we making them to and for what? Is it necessary? Did Jesus and his followers go through any of this type of thing :icon_neutral: Can&#39;t I just serve my heavenly father without all this?

Does the government give a hoot about any declaration we make? Are we trying to get the government&#39;s negative attention drawn to us, and then say we are being persecuted if and when a backlash occurs? I am being sincere, please help me understand this declaration activity. (for lack of better wording) I&#39;m just trying to figure out what all the excitement is about.

Yes I do respect the hardwork that goes into these gatherings. But I do have to question some things.


Will be attending Friday for first day. Going Saturday and Sunday in August. Can&#39;t handle three days back to back anymore.. It is too much for this (ahem) mature body and half of a mind.

Sisterly love

E & E[/b]


I was thinking along the same lines - it seems abit arrogant to me to be making these statements - it feels like the org is trying to whip up some emotional fever - i always feel uneasy and wary when declarations are made at assemblies - i also find assemblies in general hard to take -

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'>Not to put a damper on anything. But my sincere question and I do mean sincere is why in the world do we need to make declarations. Who are we making them to and for what? Is it necessary? Did Jesus and his followers go through any of this type of thing :icon_neutral: Can&#39;t I just serve my heavenly father without all this?

Does the government give a hoot about any declaration we make? Are we trying to get the government&#39;s negative attention drawn to us, and then say we are being persecuted if and when a backlash occurs? I am being sincere, please help me understand this declaration activity. (for lack of better wording) I&#39;m just trying to figure out what all the excitement is about.

Yes I do respect the hardwork that goes into these gatherings. But I do have to question some things.


Will be attending Friday for first day. Going Saturday and Sunday in August. Can&#39;t handle three days back to back anymore.. It is too much for this (ahem) mature body and half of a mind.

Sisterly love

E & E[/b]


I was thinking along the same lines - it seems abit arrogant to me to be making these statements - it feels like the org is trying to whip up some emotional fever - i always feel uneasy and wary when declarations are made at assemblies - i also find assemblies in general hard to take -
[/b][/quote]

Hi -B-2 :wave: :wave:


I have no idea what they are trying to do with these declarations, but it just seems unnecessary. But who cares what I think (LOL)

It reminds me of when they make some resolutions and ask for a show of hands, most of the time I get up and go to the restroom, because I don&#39;t agree, and half of the times I have no idea what they are talking about, and I betcha half of my b/s don&#39;t either. (Just sounding off that is all - I have no idea what anyone understands really in that way. :icon_razz: )

The other thing that concerns me just a tad, is what I now perceive is an urgency in everything. I am seeing and hearing things that take me back more than 30 years ago to the 1970&#39;s. Not all of what I am hearing and seeing is negative, but I am stopping, looking and listening and then I proceed with CAUTION, as I decide what I want to deal with in that regard from what they are dispensing.

So my prayer for all including myself is that we draw close to Jehovah and use soundness of mind as information from those who are in the branches filter information down to the congregations (for those of us still inside)

My barometer is I must obey Jehovah (PERIOD). Is the information that is coming and will be coming in line with Jehovah&#39;s Word, purpose, etc. or is this info another OOPS, WE DID NOT SAY THAT, YOU MISINTERPRETED WHAT WAS SAID, THIS WAS NOT THE DIRECTION GIVEN, ETC.

Just last week a talk was given for example that nope, we don&#39;t know the day or hour, could be 30-100 years, etc.........................

Then out of the same breath we are told we are in the final hours. (example July KM cover page paragraph 1 under Can you expand your Service? These are the types of mixed, messages that can possibly affect some b/s in all sorts of ways if they are new or those who are not grounded spiritually. There are some new Bible Studies as well as b/s whose heads are spinning around and around. It is a bit sad to see and hear because for right now, they cannot seem to get things straight. Some are so eager and excited, and some are just as confused as they can be. (I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT AND WHY THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THESE THINGS)

PERSONALLY, I really don&#39;t put too much into what they are saying anymore , and I am really listening too. Don&#39;t mean to be negative.

May Jehovah help us all in these challenging times. READ JEHOVAH&#39;S WORD EVERY CHANCE WE GET.

Sisterly concern to all,

E & E

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'>Perception is reality in this world. Say something enough times and it becomes an accepted truth. Get enough people on board with it and you no longer need to address questions or provide proofs because, well, "everybody knows that!" And you will notice that most mentions of the FDS in recent years are simply dogmatic statements that the GB IS
THE FDS of Matthew 24:45-47 without further explanation.[/b]


This is so true! After being away from the org for about 10 years, I started researching things, and one thing was what gave the organization such power. I resolved to look up their reasons and scriptural backup with an open mind. In every article I found, there WAS ONLY THE ONE SCRIPTURE (Mt 24:45-47). I kept thinking, "That&#39;s it? That&#39;s all they&#39;ve got???" Because when you read the bible as a whole, you could just go right over that scripture. It doesn&#39;t particularly stand out, like it&#39;s something you&#39;re basing a whole doctrine on.

"My personal feeling about why they keep stressing "faithful slave" this and "faithful slave" that is something big is coming. Either they are trying to prep for the big letdown when they have to change the 1914 thing, or they are about to give some totally far out instruction they don&#39;t want to be questioned. Just a feeling, though!" [/b][/quote]

************************************************** ********************

Morning IJA,

For some reason, a thought popped into my little head several days ago, regarding a statement that is made at our kh at least once during every meeting lately. (Especially since we are now in the book of Leviticus)

That is somehow one of the elders manages to fit somewhere into the meeting the statement: we must be obedient because we may get "detailed instructions" from the FDS in the future. Will we be obedient and listen and follow the instructions or will we go off on our own?

When something is repeated such as a statement like that, I take it for more than just repetition for emphasis as I used to in the past. (Perhaps I am just spiritually, paranoid/neurotic due to getting older now - not sure :icon_rolleyes: :dontknow: )

I am under the impression that sometimes the BOE may get info regarding changes way in advance and are told to sit on it, until such time as they get further instructions from headquarters. (totally guessing/speculating here) So they may be told start preparing the way for a certain adjustment/change, especially if it is HUGE.

So who knows IJA, you may be absolutely correct in the part of your statement that I highlighed and enlarged.

Have a great day.

(I am still trying to work on wrapping certain expressions in quotes, I keep practicing, but I just don&#39;t get it)

Later all,

E & E

[TheMdC]

Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.

[Eyes & Ears]

:clap:
Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E

[shikinah]

:clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]


SONG BOOKS WERE NOT RELEASED. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
THEY SAID ABOUT RELEASING THEM. FOR SOME REASON SEPTEMBER COMES TO MIND AND THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR COMES TO MIND. BUT NO SONG BOOKS WERE RELEASED AT THE CONVENTION.

E & E

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]


SONG BOOKS WERE NOT RELEASED. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
THEY SAID ABOUT RELEASING THEM. FOR SOME REASON SEPTEMBER COMES TO MIND AND THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR COMES TO MIND. BUT NO SONG BOOKS WERE RELEASED AT THE CONVENTION.

E & E
[/b][/quote]


Oh, well thanks for telling me sis, will save me having to run round looking, will hold on to my old one it will be dearly treasured.

Elizabeth

[Utuna]

<span style="font-family:Verdana">----------------------------------------------------
"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[Desert Blossom]

Elizabeth,

I think it was mentioned that the songbook can be ordered in September and the congregation will start using it January of 2010.

[shikinah]

<span style="font-family:Verdana">----------------------------------------------------
"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>
[/b]


I thought the lyrics were the same everywhere, well i&#39;ve learnt something. Well a friend of mine said he heard a few playing in his mums car, and it was very classical, but music composition different. As they say dont knock it till you&#39;ve tried it :8:

Elizabeth

[shikinah]

Elizabeth,

I think it was mentioned that the songbook can be ordered in September and the congregation will start using it January of 2010.[/b]


Thank you very much for that information sister, gives us a chance to get practicing :)


Sisterly Love
Elizabeth

[Anthony]

Elizabeth,

I think it was mentioned that the songbook can be ordered in September and the congregation will start using it January of 2010.[/b]


The above is correct.

<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">

It was only one car but it was based on what they were speaking about in the drama (leaving the 99 sheep to go after the 1) And it also cause me to think if I could make up little tracts and print off some copies, it would be good to put them in the different contribution boxes as well as the car windshields.

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[shikinah]

Thank you for that Utuna :y:

[panda]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]


SONG BOOKS WERE NOT RELEASED. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
THEY SAID ABOUT RELEASING THEM. FOR SOME REASON SEPTEMBER COMES TO MIND AND THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR COMES TO MIND. BUT NO SONG BOOKS WERE RELEASED AT THE CONVENTION.

E & E
[/b][/quote]


Oh, well thanks for telling me sis, will save me having to run round looking, will hold on to my old one it will be dearly treasured.

Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]oh sorry sister, but what a crack up, the way E and E describes things gets me in hysterics. And hold on to your old song book it will be a national treasure then. lol

sorry but this is just to much, what songs did they get rid of ? really I just think its getting way to much. I hope its all over soon, I don&#39;t know whether to laugh or cry half the time.

[shikinah]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]


SONG BOOKS WERE NOT RELEASED. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
THEY SAID ABOUT RELEASING THEM. FOR SOME REASON SEPTEMBER COMES TO MIND AND THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR COMES TO MIND. BUT NO SONG BOOKS WERE RELEASED AT THE CONVENTION.

E & E
[/b][/quote]


Oh, well thanks for telling me sis, will save me having to run round looking, will hold on to my old one it will be dearly treasured.

Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]oh sorry sister, but what a crack up, the way E and E describes things gets me in hysterics. And hold on to your old song book it will be a national treasure then. lol

sorry but this is just to much, what songs did they get rid of ? really I just think its getting way to much. I hope its all over soon, I don&#39;t know whether to laugh or cry half the time.
[/b][/quote]


I know she cracks me up too, hey someone told me they heard a few of the new songs and the words were very nice, so who knows, we better get practicing but i&#39;ll still treasure my old song book.
My Pc&#39;s telling me to go easy on the emotions lol, whats next.

Sisterly Love

Elizabeth

[James]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'> :clap: <div class='quotemain'>Talk about paranoid. I&#39;m worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. Worried about the KM parts that might explain the reasons for eliminating some of the old songs. Just plain worried.

We&#39;re in an organization who follows the motto, "if it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it" so when changes are made, there is a reason for it. Not knowing the reason for this new songbook (for adding 42 new songs and eliminating 132 songs) makes me nervous.

It might seem unimportant. The org doesn&#39;t seem to emphasize music and singing. But three songs are sung every meeting. After not very long we have them memorized. We sing them to ourselves, at times, while driving or around the house.

I&#39;m concerned.[/b]


Last week I attended the Friday session of the DC. I had to get up because I was
getting antsy and when I returned there was a brother giving an on and on an on talk regarding singing, (praises to Jehovah, etc.)

Finally he mentioned the song book, and stated that the reason for the update is because some words are no longer appropriate due to the language :icon_rolleyes: , some songs are just hard to sing and on an on and on.

Then after he thought he got everybody all excited he asked the audience if they would like to hear some of the new songs. Of course they said After it was over, there was clapping :clap: in appreciation, but not THUNDEROUS CLAPPING. :o :clap: :clap:

Well, I have to tell you, I have never heard such depressing music in my life. It was worse than the music they used to play back in the day at the dentist office.
(Now they play rap and everything else at the dentist).

It was funeral like music to me. I am sorry, but I apologize to all who thought it was just OKEY DOKEY. I thought it was horrible. I am going to even go out on a limb and say truthfully, I betcha many of the b/s were horrified at that Lawrence welk music. In fact, I cannot even compare it to Lawrence Welk. At least his music was kinda happy.

This was DOWN RIGHT AWFUL. So there you have it from me. But as I always say,
WHO AM I, THIS IS JUST MY UNSOLICITED OPINION.

I understand your concern TMDC, there are many things happening now, that have my eyebrows raised over and above the top of my pea sized head in concern :o ;) :o :icon_eek: .

E & E
[/b][/quote]

Hi E&E,
Was the song just music or did it have words?
This dont sound too good, whats going to happen when they get to actually singing the songs, people dont sing up much to the ones they do know let alone ones they&#39;ve never heard before. Unless they&#39;ll train a few who can lead the rest, otherwise it will sound like a cats chorus.
[/b][/quote]

Hiya Elizabeth,

NOPE, NOT JUST MUSIC, Elizabeth. There were singers accompanying the music. I think it was an orchestra playing. OK TRUTH BE TOLD, I felt like I was listening to a church choir. Not the kind in the apostolic/evangelical/foot stomping church, but one of those quiet kinda churches. Hope you understand, I have been to several different types of churches in my day, that is why I say that..

I felt like I was being hypnotized or something. What I found interesting is that the brother who was in the middle of his talk when I returned from wandering around to wake myself up, said one of the reasons some songs were taken out and others added, or words changed is because the songs were too difficult to sing.

I thought to myself after listening to these new ones, who the heck are they kidding, these songs are more difficult than some of the ones we already have.

Hey, I am all for praising Jehovah in song. I am all for updating songs, etc. Whatever. But these are IN MY OPINON ONLY, NOT EVEN SOUNDING GOOD.

ONCE AGAIN ELIZABETH, THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, DUE TO MY EAR AND TASTE AND APPRECIATION OF MUSIC. Someone else certainly does have a different opinion and may find my comments horrifying and out of place. So I do apologize to all those who feel that way now. I am just giving my impression and my personal feeings.

HORRIBLE!!!! Sorry.

E & E

Oh by the way I have no idea what they were saying I could not make out
the words.
[/b][/quote]

Thank you E&E,
I hope they havnt got rid of the classics like, "life without end at last" i know they wernt foot stompin but raised your spirits, some were quite down beat and depressing, my kids said it use to sound like funeral music, so i dread to think what the new ones are like, i trust your judgement sister as everything else you post is spot on.
Wonder what the words to these songs will be like, well we will soon know, my assemblys at the end of the month, so will get a book then.

Sisterly Love
Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]


SONG BOOKS WERE NOT RELEASED. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
THEY SAID ABOUT RELEASING THEM. FOR SOME REASON SEPTEMBER COMES TO MIND AND THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR COMES TO MIND. BUT NO SONG BOOKS WERE RELEASED AT THE CONVENTION.

E & E
[/b][/quote]


Oh, well thanks for telling me sis, will save me having to run round looking, will hold on to my old one it will be dearly treasured.

Elizabeth
[/b][/quote]oh sorry sister, but what a crack up, the way E and E describes things gets me in hysterics. And hold on to your old song book it will be a national treasure then. lol

sorry but this is just to much, what songs did they get rid of ? really I just think its getting way to much. I hope its all over soon, I don&#39;t know whether to laugh or cry half the time.
[/b][/quote]


I know she cracks me up too, hey someone told me they heard a few of the new songs and the words were very nice, so who knows, we better get practicing but i&#39;ll still treasure my old song book.
My Pc&#39;s telling me to go easy on the emotions lol, whats next.

Sisterly Love

Elizabeth




[/b][/quote]

I have nothing to add, I just want to see how many replies we can get.

This is like lego blocks or maybe a pyramid.

[Eyes & Ears]

HMMMMMMM OVER MEDICATED AGAIN HUH JAMES. :rofl: :rofl:

E & E

[TheMdC]

Since 132 of the old songs are no longer fit to be sung at Kingdom Halls, does that mean it&#39;s ok to play them on rock instruments like electric guitars and *gasp* drums starting in 2010?

[Utuna]

"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J&#39;ai pétri de la boue et j&#39;en ai fait de l&#39;or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S&#39;il m&#39;a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c&#39;est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton</span>

[James]

Tens of thousands of Jehovahs&#39; Witnesses meet in France (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jhMlaLEt0gvPhbecgfAQIwCq1C1w)

About 150,000 flocked to meetings with the main gathering in Villepinte, in the Paris region, attracting 50,000 followers.

Several hundred Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were baptised by being immersed in water during the event, which lasts the whole weekend.

Those baptised were adults, following the example of Christ.


There are more than seven million Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses worldwide and around 150,000 in France.

I missed that. We passed the 7m mark?

The group&#39;s status varies from country to country. They are given the same recognition as mainstream religions in Austria and Germany but are classed as a "recognised cult" in Denmark.

In France, some of their branches have the status of "religious association" but the movement was also mentioned in a 1995 parliamentary report on sects.

Utuna, do you (or anyone else) know what they mean-&#39;religious association&#39;?

[Viking]

James,
to twist numbers is an attitude of the WTS. They mingle their numbers like others their salads.

We must not forget: since a couple of years there is even the 15 minute law, where disabled JWs can report 15 min/month. When you subtrahate this figure I am sure you only have just 6 million or less publishers.
Did you ever consider why the kingdom ministry does no more give all figures of a mont of a country? They only define peak numbers and when you collect the KMs and compare you see: the number is standing still.
That means that now when both parents may report the hours they have spent with their children count, that there is more ministry. But the hidden reality is: decline.
I remember the aux. pioniers in My country. in 69 they were 12000. Just some years ago they were proud to be 15000.
But the 12000 had 75 hours a month ( totally 900,000 hours) compared with the 15000 who have 50 hours a month (totally 750.000 hours)
Statistics are just for the eyes, not for the brain.

the early christians reported their baptized members and their attendees at certain meetings, but not counte to the exact number only saying 3000 or 5000 in circa.

So Jehovahs witnesses of today are still like network marketers who imply as if Jehovah would accept hours. He accepts good hearts and not many hours and often inside people who praise with one agle of the mouth the prince of peace and with the other angle they condemn their local brothers. I made my experiences with such so called annointed elders.

There was a happening about 20 years ago. The CO came and made an elder in the elder meeting down: E. you have to less distributed magazines and you average of time is to low. It must increase or you will be disbanded.

The brother reported more hours and left at every house nobody was at home a printed matter.

the next CO visit braught him some good comments: E. ypu really have listend to my advise. that is fine you are really a slid man for the congegration.

Figures blind blinded figures :ban_dance01:

[truthseeker]

Hi all
I did not attend the assembly but I did watch the new video this evening (The Wonders Of Creation Reveals Gods Glory)
I do believe there are a lot of things (Big) things wrong with the the WTO.
But for thirty minutes tonight my hart and tear ducts were massage during the video presentation. I felt it presented our maker Jehovah in a most powerful, beautiful and loving way possiable. I was very impressed and my faith was renewed.
Jehovah is still very much in control of disseminating truth of who he is.............. even if the channel (or anointed) or (slave class) or (Jesus brothers) or (bride class) what ever you decide to believe has some extreme discipline coming to it............
In my eye's there are still men within the organization that love him Jehovah very much and this video is just one of many works to prove it .
Love truthseeker

[panda]

Hi all
I did not attend the assembly but I did watch the new video this evening (The Wonders Of Creation Reveals Gods Glory)
I do believe there are a lot of things (Big) things wrong with the the WTO.
But for thirty minutes tonight my hart and tear ducts were massage during the video presentation. I felt it presented our maker Jehovah in a most powerful, beautiful and loving way possiable. I was very impressed and my faith was renewed.
Jehovah is still very much in control of disseminating truth of who he is.............. even if the channel (or anointed) or (slave class) or (Jesus brothers) or (bride class) what ever you decide to believe has some extreme discipline coming to it............
In my eye's there are still men within the organization that love him Jehovah very much and this video is just one of many works to prove it .
Love truthseekerwow thanks truthseeker, really looking forward to seeing this, and very faith strengthening to hear your encouraging response, especially about the channel, it does show that Jehovah is still using some of them to bring truth to us and the world.:D

[TheMdC]

I thought the DVD was great but could have done without the face-time or identification by name of GB member Ted Jaracz.

[Jinnvisible]

Talk about paranoid. I'm worried about the new songbook. Seriously. Worried about the lyrics of some of the new songs. .................

I'm concerned.

I wouldn`t worry.

You might end up with a multiple choice songbook.

Make the truth your........ phone a freind, or go 50 / 50.

Make the truth your.......... NGO

Make the truth your ...........tone. (don` feel angry about U.N. betrayal and all will be smooth)

[noname]

When the songbook comes we should all record our singing it. Then we can really feel the music.:huh:

[shikinah]

When the songbook comes we should all record our singing it. Then we can really feel the music.:huh:

Aww thats a nice thought, if only that was possible:)

[James]

Here are some video snippets of the convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m9QC-ne4l8


James

[truthseeker]

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Behold...God's Kingdom

Thank you for sharing this video James: It was excellent loved the closing song!
Just a glimpse of things to come, isn't it sad that Jehovah does not find pleasure in these solemn assemblies because of apostasies committed by the faithful slave.
One can only wonder how awesome it will be when Jehovah by his Christ pours out his spirit on the nations and turns the righteous to the pure language.

Zep 3:8-9
8 “‘Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. 9 For then I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

[Juan23]

Random thoughts on the DA. :(

Attended Sunday only because son was sick.
Most attendees seem happy and content with the talks.
I was not because 1914 was harped on a few times. :eek:
Some (quite a few) prophesy were applied for the wrong time.
Last days supposedly started in 1914. :confused:

Over-all impression. Prophesy(s) will occur-yes, but associated with wrong time (usually in pass century). Sad because I feel JWs who believe in talks will stumble when things don't happen as they are taught.