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Marque100
05-15-2009, 07:42 PM
The Disgusting Thing That Causes Desolation

The scripture at Matthew 14:15 appears to give us a very good sign/warning of what occurs shortly before the "Great Tribulation" breaks out.

Matthew 14:15 – "Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place..." also see Daniel 11:31

Matthew 14:21 – "for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 in fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." Also - Daniel 12:1

"Catch sight" - An event that will be visible to a large number of people (public showing).

2Thessalonians 2:4 "...so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god."

"Disgusting thing" – The Bible always refers to idols/gods and any other paraphernalia of false worship as a "disgusting thing" – A man claiming to be god and worshiped as such (or an image of him), sitting down (or placed) in the Temple, would indeed be seen as a disgusting thing in the eyes of the true God. Before that happens, most people would need to fall away from true worship – Thessalonians 2:3 informs us "...the apostasy(/falling away/ departure /rebellion/revolt) must happen first " Also - Daniel 11:32, the constant feature (daily sacrifice -KJV) is removed from the temple. See Daniel 11:31 & Daniel 12:11

Revelation 13:14 "...while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast...15. And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak...."

So, the image of the beast, if the wild beast is a man, would be an object made to look like the beast, a representation of it/him. People are compelled to worship the image. Modern technology has produced human like robots that appear "alive" (breath/life), have artificial intelligence along with the ability to speak & interact with humans. The technology is here and is improving fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4dwcxiDTcA also http://www.hansonrobotics.com (http://www.hansonrobotics.com/)

"Standing in a holy place" – The only "holy place" I can think of, was the temple in Jerusalem. That temple in Jerusalem or Holy Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. There is now a Mosque built on the original location of the temple. It appears obvious that this temple will need be rebuilt in the near future in order to fulfil Bible prophecy. This also means the Mosque will have to be removed.

"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4

"Causes desolation" – The image of the wild beast not only has the ability to speak, but also to "...cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast" Revelation 13:15 – also see, Daniel 8:24-25, Daniel 11:16, Daniel 11:24, Daniel 11:33 & Daniel 12:1

The Third Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Temple) (From WIKI)

Ever since the Second Temple's destruction, a prayer for the construction of a new Third Temple has been a formal part of the thrice-daily Jewish prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_prayer) services. However, the question of whether and when to construct the Third Temple is disputed both within the Jewish community and without; groups within Judaism argue both for and against construction of a new Temple, while the expansion of Abrahamic religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion) since the 1st century CE has made the issue contentious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem) within Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) and Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) thought as well. Furthermore, the complicated political status of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positions_on_Jerusalem) makes initiation of reconstruction presently difficult, while the traditional physical location of the historic Temple is presently occupied by the Al-Aqsa Mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque) and the Dome of the Rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock).

BUILDING THE THIRD TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9UmYO0EtfU

Events to occur:-

1. War (WWIII) breaks out that involves Iran/Muslim world

2. Anglo-America word power is victorious over Iran/Muslim world

3. During conflict the Mosque in Jerusalem is destroyed

4. World Government established via the UN

5. Individual countries give up their power and authority to the World Government/UN

6. Covenant of peace agreed with Israel – a time of peace / freedom from care

7. Holy Temple rebuilt , worship/sacrifice resumes

8. Covenant with Israel broken

9. Apostasy

10. Israel Invaded

11. Remove Constant Feature (daily sacrifice)

12. "Disgusting thing" in the Temple – (Human like robot in the image of the wild beast)

13. Tribulation (for 1290 days)

Juan23
05-16-2009, 01:27 PM
"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4[/b]

In the last days the temple is Jehovah's anointed.

Marque100
05-16-2009, 01:36 PM
<div class='quotemain'>"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4[/b]

In the last days the temple is Jehovah&#39;s anointed.
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I don&#39;t think so. Will you still be saying that "IF" the temple gets rebuilt?

Juan23
05-16-2009, 01:59 PM
<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4[/b]

In the last days the temple is Jehovah&#39;s anointed.
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I don&#39;t think so. Will you still be saying that "IF" the temple gets rebuilt?
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I&#39;m saying that now and "IF" have many ramifications. By the way have you read some of e-W&#39;s writing on this topic? Interesting reading.

truthseeker
05-16-2009, 03:48 PM
<div class='quotemain'>"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4[/b]

In the last days the temple is Jehovah&#39;s anointed.
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<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">truthseeker

Marque100
05-16-2009, 04:00 PM
<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>"Bible Prophecy predicts that in the last days the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that it will play an important role in the tribulation time. In this time the "anti-christ" will invade the temple and declares himself god." – Again 2Thessalonians 2:4[/b]

In the last days the temple is Jehovah&#39;s anointed.
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<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">truthseeker


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OK, just don&#39;t lose FAITH or get disappointed if things turn out differently than expected. The Bible imo is more literal and simpler to understand than most people think.

Juan23
05-16-2009, 05:01 PM
OK, just don&#39;t lose FAITH or get disappointed if things turn out differently than expected. The Bible imo is more literal and simpler to understand than most people think.[/b]

IF is a big word. Reminds me of this anecdote. The story goes that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will level Sparta to the ground," the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply: "If."

Some of us actually believe the bible when it says that God&#39;s anointed are his "temple".

(1Co 3:16) Do YOU not know that YOU people are God&#39;s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in YOU?

(1Co 6:19) What! Do YOU not know that the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit within YOU, which YOU have from God? Also, YOU do not belong to yourselves,

Utuna
05-16-2009, 05:56 PM
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TheMdC
05-17-2009, 01:04 AM
OK, just don&#39;t lose FAITH or get disappointed if things turn out differently than expected. The Bible imo is more literal and simpler to understand than most people think.[/b]
Though I don&#39;t agree with your point about the temple, I think these particular points above is one we should all keep in mind.

It is easy to try to read too much into a Bible verse. Sometimes, most times, it simply means what it says.

And it is important to not get dogmatic about our present understanding. Those of us who have been in the truth for a long time have seen many changes and many people shaken by those changes. It&#39;s God&#39;s Word that is perfect; our understanding of it is not and won&#39;t be until we reach perfection. Right up until, and through, the great tribulation and Armageddon we are likely to not understand many things. Just as the apostles didn&#39;t "get" a lot of what Jesus taught them until well after his death, we aren&#39;t going to "get" a lot of what the Bible is saying until well after the events have passed.

Pretending otherwise is dangerous, IMO.

Marque100
05-17-2009, 04:20 AM
<div class='quotemain'>OK, just don&#39;t lose FAITH or get disappointed if things turn out differently than expected. The Bible imo is more literal and simpler to understand than most people think.[/b]
Though I don&#39;t agree with your point about the temple, I think these particular points above is one we should all keep in mind.

It is easy to try to read too much into a Bible verse. Sometimes, most times, it simply means what it says.

And it is important to not get dogmatic about our present understanding. Those of us who have been in the truth for a long time have seen many changes and many people shaken by those changes. It&#39;s God&#39;s Word that is perfect; our understanding of it is not and won&#39;t be until we reach perfection. Right up until, and through, the great tribulation and Armageddon we are likely to not understand many things. Just as the apostles didn&#39;t "get" a lot of what Jesus taught them until well after his death, we aren&#39;t going to "get" a lot of what the Bible is saying until well after the events have passed.

Pretending otherwise is dangerous, IMO.
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Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. None of us can predict the future; the best we can do is look at the past for hindsight, current events for perception & rely on the bible for insight. Here is an example. The current economic/financial system crisis is a big issue (duh!) - The whole thing may fall. Looking back to 1929 (hindsight) it appears that history could be about to repeat itself.

1929 Stockmarket crash/banks collapse, 1930&#39;s Great Depression, 1939 WW2
2009 Stockmarket crash/banks collapse, ---- Great Depression 2.0, ---- WW3

L.