An Inconvenient Truth

[Shibboleth]

I do not know if this has been discussed, but I just wanted to relate my experience after watching 'An Inconvenient Truth'.

I cried. I actually was moved to tears after watching it. I can't believe people are so blinded by the fact of Global Warming.

The way Al Gore presented the material was eye opening. He actually did research. He fact finded. He investigated. He disputed. He brought it up to the Senate and they pushed it asided.

I really liked the point he made about the earth. How it is almost like it breaths with it's cycles. CO2 in Co2 out.

He also made a good illustration. He said that if a frog jumps into a pot of boiling water it would immediately jump out. But if taht same frog jumped into a pot of cold water and it gradually was brought to a boil, it wouldn't jump out untill someone takes it out. We are the frogs. Who is going to take us out of the boiling water?

I know global warming is highly debated and it is highly debated that man has caused it, but by looking at the evidence I can't see how man couldn't have caused it.

Anyway, I just wanted to bring this up. If you haven't seen it. You should. Very well done. Anyone else seen it and had any thoughts on it?

regards,

Shibboleth

[BackToBasics]

I would be very carfull about excepting all the facts that program exsposed as totally true because some of it wasnt true . Its not as a black and white issue as that program paints it out to be .
My gut instinct is that global warming is caused by man and that it could well be as bad as they are saying .

[watchman]

I saw it. It was well presented, but factually questionable.

What isn't in question is that the earth is heating up. But the question is why? Is it because of an increase in CO2? Al says yes. However, there is no accurate way of knowing what past CO2 levels were. Al based his Inconvenient Truth presentation of past and present CO2 levels on ice core samples, but others say that that is not a reliable measure of past CO2 levels for the reason that over time and under the pressure of more and more accumulating snow and ice the CO2 frozen in suspension is pressed out. So, when the core samples show less CO2 the assumption is that there was less CO2 in the atmosphere at the time the snow fell hundreds of years ago -- without taking into consideration that the ice core gague itself is faulty. Scientists commit this same folly when measuring C-14 levels in radiocarbon dating. They assume that radioactive carbon has always been produced in the atmosphere at the same level.

More than likely, global warming is caused by the sun putting off more energy. It goes through phases you know. It is not a constant solar furnance.

One would think that if elevated CO2 levels is the real problem the solution would be very simple: Plant more trees and plants and green stuff. Photosynthetic plants love CO2. They thrive on it. The more the better.

[Shibboleth]

I don't hold as truth anything a politician says. In fact I reserved myself from watching this movie just because Al is a politician. A guy from work suggested I see it after we kinda talked about it at lunch. So I bit the bullet and checked it out.

The fact is everyone seems to have an opinion about global warming, but people can't make a decision as to why it is happeneing.

I really liked how he likened the earth as breathing. How the majority of landmass is north of the equator. For a long time people smoked. "Oh tobacco can't kill us." then they start dying. the earth pretty much breaths in and out if you look at it from that perspective. what we put into the air has an affect. the reason why we don't know for certain if we are the cause is because we haven't gone through this before.

anyway, I am no pro on global warming and I am no scientist, but you just have to wonder if all the crap we put into our air and water really does affect things.

Man has ruined the earth and the earth is trying to heal itself. Global warming may be part of the healing process. who knows.

[Shibboleth]

One would think that if elevated CO2 levels is the real problem the solution would be very simple: Plant more trees and plants and green stuff. Photosynthetic plants love CO2. They thrive on it. The more the better.[/b]


The problem is, we as humans are cutting down large swaths of trees and forests especially in rain forests and the amount of replanting is pretty much nihl. Companies here in the U.S. have been good about planting after they cut. But that is usually because the state governments have laws for this.

[Sketch]

Personally, I found it to be too political... if it was just about the global warming thing, then they should have stuck to the science. but the fact that ANY politics got involved (other than the fact that the man is still a touch bitter over "losing" the election), shows me that other things mentioned in the movie were also suspect... or at the very leat need to be verified independently and then followed to the source...

I saw no mention of the fact the Mars is also experiencing its own "global warming"...

[Shibboleth]

hey Sketch, I got the impression also that he was bittered about the election. I still think alot of people are. It's hard not to.

I really enjoyed the parts of him talking about his family and how he grew up. I think it made him look human. And I think that is probably why I listened a little more.

I think the problem with the majority of the people on the earth is that they are either totally clueless about how the earth works or they don't care. I think being a Jehovah's Witness puts alot of things into perspective and we can't help but think about the earth. Which is probably why it really made me stop and think.

the thing about global warming before i saw the movie, was, I was not biased. I didn't really have a view, beacuse I didn't really think about our implications here on the earth. Yeah, I could see man ruining it, but like Al said "What is it going to take for man to realize what he has done?" the answer is plain, God. Jehovah is going to take care of those ruining the earth, but we can still show our appreciation to God by trying to make at least our little part of this earth clean and at least showing we care.

All politics aside I came away from the film wanting to know more about the issue. If this movie at least makes people think. Then Al has done his job.

[Dorcas]

Ecclesiastes 1 The words of the congregator, the son of David the king in Jerusalem. ² “The greatest vanity!” the congregator has said, “the greatest vanity! Everything is vanity!” ³ What profit does a man have in all his hard work at which he works hard under the sun? ⁴ A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite. ⁵ And the sun also has flashed forth, and the sun has set, and it is coming panting to its place where it is going to flash forth.

Remember that Jehovah has power to save. He didn't create the earth for nothing -- he created it to be inhabited.


Love to all, Dorcas http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/MSN%20Vlinder.gif

PS: I don't put my summer clothes in storage anymore -- winter it getting too short!

[Berean]

you just have to wonder if all the crap we put into our air and water really does affect things.[/b]
!!!

This is at the heart of the issue. Regardless if global warming exists or if it's just a temporary climate change, you've hit the nail on the head with that remark. It saddens me to see that some people see the debate on global warming as an excuse not to care for the environment. What those people disregard is that we might not be responsible for global warming, but humans sure are responsible for:

1) killing many sea birds when another oil tanker runs aground
2) polluting the air we breathe, increasing illnesses
3) chopping down acres and acres of trees every day, decreasing the natural oxygen supply as well as killing many unique species
4) overfishing
5) whaling
6) poaching

...and the list goes on and on. I just hope that people will open their eyes to what we're doing to our environment, and we as Christians have a special responsibility, because we know we got this planet from our Creator to look after. So, what can we do? Use public transportation, walk/cycle when you don't have to take your car, use energy sparingly (which will cost you less money too), don't use too much water, don't litter... of course it's hard, and I by no means am perfect in protecting the environment, but it's worth doing.

Sorry for the rant, but looking after the creation is a bit of a pet peeve of mine... :)

[Jeshurun]

3) chopping down acres and acres of trees every day, decreasing the natural oxygen supply as well as killing many unique species[/b]

Last time I checked, and that was about 12 years ago, there were 140 species disappearing from the earth every day. That alone must have Jehovah fuming. If he is saddened by the downfall of a sparrow, imagine losing a species altogether. How exciting to think of the day that he restores all things.

Lou

[Nambo]

Personally, I found it to be too political... if it was just about the global warming thing, then they should have stuck to the science. but the fact that ANY politics got involved (other than the fact that the man is still a touch bitter over "losing" the election), shows me that other things mentioned in the movie were also suspect... or at the very leat need to be verified independently and then followed to the source...

I saw no mention of the fact the Mars is also experiencing its own "global warming"...[/b]

Its the Martians Sketch, driving thier green children to school in SUVs, put up the taxes I say, that will cure it.
Yes, it will be used as a political tool, and polititions seem to have all of a sudden taken hold on it as a political weapon to control us with after having pretty much ignored it for so long.
I like the way its our fault, so they put up our takes etc, yet are you going to see a single one of the world ruling big business elite cut back on destroying rain forests in order to plant palm oil crops or grow McDonald hamburgers?, no.

Truth is, its probably a combination of all things, the natural cyclic sunspot activity of the sun, and also mans destruction of trees, though I thought the sea had a huge role in absorbing carbon dioxide, or maybe its just a pack of lies anyway as I used to go camping on my motorbike this time of year with no tent, just a sleeping bag, wouldnt do it these days though, its too cold!

[Dorcas]

<div class='quotemain'>you just have to wonder if all the crap we put into our air and water really does affect things.[/b]
!!!

This is at the heart of the issue. Regardless if global warming exists or if it&#39;s just a temporary climate change, you&#39;ve hit the nail on the head with that remark. It saddens me to see that some people see the debate on global warming as an excuse not to care for the environment. What those people disregard is that we might not be responsible for global warming, but humans sure are responsible for:

1) killing many sea birds when another oil tanker runs aground
2) polluting the air we breathe, increasing illnesses
3) chopping down acres and acres of trees every day, decreasing the natural oxygen supply as well as killing many unique species
4) overfishing
5) whaling
6) poaching

...and the list goes on and on. I just hope that people will open their eyes to what we&#39;re doing to our environment, and we as Christians have a special responsibility, because we know we got this planet from our Creator to look after. So, what can we do? Use public transportation, walk/cycle when you don&#39;t have to take your car, use energy sparingly (which will cost you less money too), don&#39;t use too much water, don&#39;t litter... of course it&#39;s hard, and I by no means am perfect in protecting the environment, but it&#39;s worth doing.

Sorry for the rant, but looking after the creation is a bit of a pet peeve of mine... :)
[/b][/quote] Hi, Berean!
I sure agree with you...Jehovah commanded Adam and Eve to care for the earth, to spread Eden over the globe. Today we are learning to live together as a spiritual family, but we should also be learning to care for the earth. One day it will be ours and WE will need to make it into a Paradise. We can start by caring for our homes, our yards, our community. Teaching children to plant seeds and care for the plant -- even if we live in an apartment. I learned to love gardening and the feel and smell of the soil from my grandfather. I find gardening very therapeutic when the weight of the world is on my shoulders.
Keep up the good work, Lou. Jehovah uses anyone who is humble enough to work for him.
Flowers go out to you http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_14_15.gif Dorcashttp://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/MSN%20Vlinder.gif

[James]

anyway, I am no pro on global warming and I am no scientist, but you just have to wonder if all the crap we put into our air and water really does affect things.[/b]


There is no doubt that mankind has impacted our home sweet home. We can see the effects such as smog, acid rain, raw sewage, toxic chemicals in our lakes, rivers and in landfills. Radioactive waste that takes thousands of years to breakdown,etc,etc....
And while I agree you can explain SOME of the effects on natural cycles, when we heap our toxic waste on top of that through mismanagement and neglect, it may be the proverbial straw that broke the camels&#39; back.

Maybe thats why Jehovah figured it would take a thousand years to make our home a Paradise!!! :imnotworthy:

Here is a link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6532323.stm



Thanks for the post Shibboleth,
James

[Sketch]

... 3) chopping down acres and acres of trees every day, decreasing the natural oxygen supply....[/b]

Actually, most of the earth&#39;s oxygen supply comes from algae and other "marine" plants

[dgibson]

Wasn&#39;t the earth ruined after the flood?

Yes, big corporations are the ones causing the earth&#39;s water, air, and ground to be ruined further, by their striving to make our lives easier, faster, more fun, etc. by making batteries, IC chips, Freon, Oil with all its separated properties.

Jehovah is going to destroy satans huge corporate factories, & machines that are turning out products of polution, either by their use, disposal, or by their manufacturing processes.

Think about it, when the power tool industries came out with the nickel cadium batteries for drills, saws, etc. They knew that these batteries were very dangerous to be deposed of in landfills. So, they put a little sticker on them, asking the owner to recycle.

The problem is, that these big corporations don&#39;t want to, and/or can&#39;t make an avenue for you to recycle them. Take one back to your sears store, and ask if they will dipose of it properly for you?

Most, corporations are in for producing a product for your consumption, at a profitable cost. They do not want to be bothered with recycling. Some put forth a small effort, but most leave it up to you as the end consumer to dispose of properly.

The problem is, outside major cities, there is no way to dispose of them properly, except bury them in the ground, or throw them away in the trash. Cell phones/spot lights, with all their different chargers, and adapters, and computers with mother boards are all very toxic to our ground water. The burden of taking care of the earth, is being thrown at the individuals, by big corps passing the buck. Their day is coming.

[Nambo]

<div align="left">CAIN BURDEAU
AP (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070407/D8OBK1DG0.html)
Saturday April 7, 2007</div>
A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

"He&#39;s one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he&#39;s doing a great disservice and he doesn&#39;t know what he&#39;s talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, where he delivered the closing speech.

A spokeswoman said Gore was on a flight from Washington, D.C., to Nashville Friday; he did not immediately respond to Gray&#39;s comments.

Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America&#39;s most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.

Gray&#39;s statements came the same day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved a report that concludes the world will face dire consequences to food and water supplies, along with increased flooding and other dramatic weather events, unless nations adapt to climate change.

Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

Gore&#39;s documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has helped fuel media attention on global warming.

Kerry Emanuel, an MIT professor who had feuded with Gray over global warming, said Gray has wrongly "dug (his) heels in" even though there is ample evidence that the world is getting hotter.

[Jeshurun]

Today&#39;s weather map across the US looks as though it could very well be the middle of January. Seems to me that aside from global warming, something has the jet stream in a strange state of flux.

[Jinnvisible]

One of the problems with having a politician present this kind of presentation is that politicians are responcible for global snoring. It could be seen as a cynical last ditch attempt by a man who failed to be king of the world to make his stamp on human history. Creating a new globe - Al Gore - ing.

I would like to see the dvd but it is inconvienient for me at the moment, Im sure its the market leader.

I have positive thoughts about the situation.

Does the sun naturaly flutuate the tempreture of the earth over time? :Yes

Is mankind adding to the heating of the earth through technology? :Yes

Do political elements attempt to hijack both sides of the whole issue + & - ? : Yes

Is the industrial world selfishly derasinating the natural balance ? : Yes

Did Jesus make illustrations using nature, seasons and the harvest that are less vivid to those in the industrialised world due to the world trade economy ? : Yes

Will God take care of his creation restore the balance ? : Yes

Will Jehovahs king begin his millenial rule before the mighty Siberian tiger and the Mountain gorilla become extinct creatures never to be seen again roaming the earth ? : It would be strange to imagine not.

See, its a totally positive situation.

[clay]

Jinn,
Do I cast my vote to support your view? Yes!

[Jeshurun]

Al Gore&#39;s agenda is highly questionable, and leads to more restrictions to promote the UN&#39;s plans of global feudalism. I urge everyone to educate themselves about climate control, starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control

A google search of "weather control UN" will bring up some interesting UN Treaties that have been put in place regarding it&#39;s possible use as a military weapon.

[Dorcas]

Dear Friends,
Your information has gone back and forth on the weather. We on this Board have no control over this board, we may want to think of 2Cor. 416 Therefore we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. 2Cor. 4:17 For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing weight and is everlasting; 18 while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting. Jehovah sees and controls it all, Friends. We need to live for today and let tomorrow take care of itself. Matt.6:33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU. 34 So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Sufficient for each day is its own badness.
Much love to all...Dorcas :MSN Vlinder:

[Shibboleth]

We need to live for today and let tomorrow take care of itself.[/b]

I really appreciated your post. Thanks.

But I personally can&#39;t have a &#39;Carpe Diem&#39; (Live today for tomorrow we shall die) mentality.

I know we cannot change what has taken place. What we can change is our own awareness. Can we change the weather? No. We can&#39;t even control big business and what they do to our environment. So yes, we have to have a wait and see attitude since what is happening to the earth is much bigger then all of us. What we do now, present day, today affects what happens tomorrow. So in affect we have to think of the future cause our present action reflect what happens to us in the future. I think the key word is &#39;aware&#39;. We have to be aware. Aware can also mean &#39;awake and alert&#39;. So we need to be awake and alert to our surroundings.


Regards,

Shibboleth

[Sketch]

But I personally can&#39;t have a &#39;Carpe Diem&#39; (Live today for tomorrow we shall die) mentality.[/b]

How about "Eat, Drink and be Merry, for tomorrow we shall Diet".

[Shibboleth]

<div class='quotemain'>But I personally can&#39;t have a &#39;Carpe Diem&#39; (Live today for tomorrow we shall die) mentality.[/b]

How about "Eat, Drink and be Merry, for tomorrow we shall Diet".
[/b][/quote]

now that is one I can relate to. :friday.sml:

[Dorcas]

How about "hope for the best, but plan for the worst!" Dorcas :MSN Vlinder:

[Shibboleth]

How about "hope for the best, but plan for the worst!" Dorcas :MSN Vlinder:[/b]

muuuuuch better. :icon_razz: