Wt Study For June 14,2009

[James]

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[SWORDOFJAH]

Good morning. Another day to study our Creator’s words.

Points to ponder.

Because Satan is responsible for the world’s thinking. Also he is responsible of the ongoing persecution toward faithful servants of Jehovah. Without any doubt he is controlling this system of things.

We have to realize that our we cannot afford to let worldly interests dominate us. Rather, we need to center our life on our relationship with Jehovah, on our worship of him and our service to him. : Our relationship with Jehovah is a most precious possession. (Ps. 63:3) When we share fully in the ministry out of love for Jehovah, that relationship grows closer. (Jas. 4:8) The main reason for that relationship is because we love Jehovah.

Very important: Jehovah helps us to cope with our trials. Consider how Jehovah helps us to cope with the pressures of life. He shows us the best way to live. (Isa. 30:21) He explains the reasons for crime, injustice, poverty, sickness, and death and tells us how he will put an end to all of these. He surrounds us with a loving brotherhood. He grants us the precious privilege of prayer. And with his spirit. Add to those blessings our congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions.

Hope you enjoy today’s study. And remember:
(Psalm 37:17) 17 For the very arms of the wicked ones will be broken, But Jehovah will be supporting the righteous ones.

[James]

Good morning. Another day to study our Creator's words.

Points to ponder.

Because Satan is responsible for the world's thinking. Also he is responsible of the ongoing persecution toward faithful servants of Jehovah. Without any doubt he is controlling this system of things.

We have to realize that our we cannot afford to let worldly interests dominate us. Rather, we need to center our life on our relationship with Jehovah, on our worship of him and our service to him. : Our relationship with Jehovah is a most precious possession. (Ps. 63:3) When we share fully in the ministry out of love for Jehovah, that relationship grows closer. (Jas. 4:8) The main reason for that relationship is because we love Jehovah.

Very important: Jehovah helps us to cope with our trials. Consider how Jehovah helps us to cope with the pressures of life. He shows us the best way to live. (Isa. 30:21) He explains the reasons for crime, injustice, poverty, sickness, and death and tells us how he will put an end to all of these. He surrounds us with a loving brotherhood. He grants us the precious privilege of prayer. And with his spirit. Add to those blessings our congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions.

Hope you enjoy today's study. And remember:
(Psalm 37:17) 17 For the very arms of the wicked ones will be broken, But Jehovah will be supporting the righteous ones.[/b]

Excellent comment SOJ,

Thanks for sharing.

James

[Eyes & Ears]

WT Study for today was pretty OKEY DOKEY.

I appreciated paragraph 9 under subheading: Cultivate a Close Relationship with Jehovah and I also commented on this paragraph regarding what is our most precious possession.

There is no way we can stand firm and keep our integrity without a close relationship with our heavenly father. This precious relationship helps us to stay focused on the important issues regardless of what is happening around us.


I also appreciated paragraph 12. Love should be the primary quality in our relationship with Jehovah. (This was my thought I did not comment) How in the world can we serve Jehovah if we don't really know, or love him.

I just ignored things that I felt uncomfortable with. All in all it was pretty good counsel. :applaudit:

E & E

[Eyes & Ears]

Oh, another paragraph I thought was kinda interesting was Paragraph 10 regarding the experience of the Russia lady who later got baptized.

I found it interesting how much faith this woman had after just 3 visits and then never had contact with the brother who originally called on her. She started preaching to her neighbors with what she had learned. At the time she was not baptized. I thought it very interesting how she spent so much time in prison, and still had the love and zeal for our heavenly father. This sister was something else. What love and faith she had proving the devil a real liar. She continue to serve Jehovah in spite of.

This experience was interesting to me because it showed me as some examples that we have in the Bible, that Jehovah uses whomever he wants to use. Shows me of what can possibly happen in the future. Does not mean everyone will be a baptized Jehovah Witness. ;) :y: I just thought it interesting that they would put this particular experience in the WT.

Just my thoughts.


E & E

[imjustaskin]

Loved the story of the Russian lady! This lady had no literature, no congregation, no support system, nothing but her relationship with Jehovah - and look where it took her. I was in awe. But I made a comment about how when things hit the fan (not exactly the words I used!) we may well be in a similar position. It will be down to just us and Jehovah.

[Eyes & Ears]

Loved the story of the Russian lady! This lady had no literature, no congregation, no support system, nothing but her relationship with Jehovah - and look where it took her. I was in awe. But I made a comment about how when things hit the fan (not exactly the words I used!) we may well be in a similar position. It will be down to just us and Jehovah.[/b]


EXACTLY IJA!!!!

She had Jehovah and his son, faith and love larger than life. She in my opinion followed the direction of Jehovah and let nothing stop her.

Although I know we will have to be a tad more tactful and discreet when stuff hits the fan :icon_razz: I pray we all have the faith to know that Jehovah is the one that is directing his purpose with his son if we follow allow Jehovah to direct us and follow the model his son left, hey how in the world can we go wrong.

E & E

[TheMdC]

I found it difficult to follow the first time through. Usually the points brought out in the setup paragraphs are the topics for the subheadings throughout the article. In this study, I wasn't able to make the connection right away because the subheadings were rephrased in a different way from the three points in paragraph 3. I was like, this isn't what the setup said we would be discussing.

But then after going back to 3 and looking over the subheadings again, I got it.

Maybe I was just tired, but I thought the connection between the opening paragraphs and the rest of the study was a little more tenuous than usual.

[FutureMan]

Good morning. Another day to study our Creator's words.

Points to ponder.

Because Satan is responsible for the world's thinking. Also he is responsible of the ongoing persecution toward faithful servants of Jehovah. Without any doubt he is controlling this system of things.

We have to realize that our we cannot afford to let worldly interests dominate us. Rather, we need to center our life on our relationship with Jehovah, on our worship of him and our service to him. : Our relationship with Jehovah is a most precious possession. (Ps. 63:3) When we share fully in the ministry out of love for Jehovah, that relationship grows closer. (Jas. 4:8) The main reason for that relationship is because we love Jehovah.

Very important: Jehovah helps us to cope with our trials. Consider how Jehovah helps us to cope with the pressures of life. He shows us the best way to live. (Isa. 30:21) He explains the reasons for crime, injustice, poverty, sickness, and death and tells us how he will put an end to all of these. He surrounds us with a loving brotherhood. He grants us the precious privilege of prayer. And with his spirit. Add to those blessings our congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions.

Hope you enjoy today's study. And remember:
(Psalm 37:17) 17 For the very arms of the wicked ones will be broken, But Jehovah will be supporting the righteous ones.[/b]

You make a good point SWORDOFJAH, but often times the enemy comes from within and also persecution can come from those who we would consider to be relatively close to us, because we think differently.

It has being my experience that a lot of our professed anointed are actually persecuted by their own congregation.
How very sad that is, that this has taken place and is taking place even as we speak.

Just my thought on this, from FutureMan.

[SWORDOFJAH]

Take for example Jehovah's angels. One angel rebel and make others angels followed him. But many stayed loyal to Jehovah. Good example... that when someone rebel within the congregation we should stay loyal with those that are faithful.

[FutureMan]

Take for example Jehovah's angels. One angel rebel and make others angels followed him. But many stayed loyal to Jehovah. Good example... that when someone rebel within the congregation we should stay loyal with those that are faithful.[/b]

Tell me SWORDOFJAH, who are you loyal too, are you loyal to Jehovah or loyal to the organization?

Of course this organization, confuses loyalty to Jehovah with being loyal to this organization which in reality is controlled by the Watchtower Society which has a corporate nature.
Is the governing body controlling the Watchtower Society or is the Watchtower Society controlling them and their attitudes?

But now let us assume that we can connect directly God's Spirit as of now with the organization.

Why are you here as a registered member of a well known apostate site as according to the Watchtower Society's analysis, (Or as we are now becoming known as the walking dead)?
Should you not be loyal to the organization?

Just a query from FutureMan

[James]

<div class='quotemain'>Take for example Jehovah&#39;s angels. One angel rebel and make others angels followed him. But many stayed loyal to Jehovah. Good example... that when someone rebel within the congregation we should stay loyal with those that are faithful.[/b]

Tell me SWORDOFJAH, who are you loyal too, are you loyal to Jehovah or loyal to the organization?

Of course this organization, confuses loyalty to Jehovah with being loyal to this organization which in reality is controlled by the Watchtower Society which has a corporate nature.
Is the governing body controlling the Watchtower Society or is the Watchtower Society controlling them and their attitudes?

But now let us assume that we can connect directly God&#39;s Spirit as of now with the organization.

Why are you here as a registered member of a well known apostate site as according to the Watchtower Society&#39;s analysis, (Or as we are now becoming known as the walking dead)?
Should you not be loyal to the organization?

Just a query from FutureMan


[/b][/quote]

Definitely a conundrum, most definitely.


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[imjustaskin]

Is there some personal issue going on here that some of us aren&#39;t aware of? Sometimes these really angry and accusatory posts just seem to come out of nowhere. Maybe they would be better handled in PMs.

Just my thoughts!

[FutureMan]

Is there some personal issue going on here that some of us aren&#39;t aware of? Sometimes these really angry and accusatory posts just seem to come out of nowhere. Maybe they would be better handled in PMs.

Just my thoughts![/b]

I&#39;m sorry imjustaskin, I did not mean to come across so negative.
Sometimes I see red when someone waves that red flag in front of me.

In this particular case I felt that since this site is presenting a lot of information that shows that the organization of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is headed down the wrong path of Idolatrous worship even though it is somewhat subtle and that it is almost certain that Satan has gain control of this organization as well as all the other issues involving ones who are wrongfully disfellowshiped or treated with contempt, the cover up of child abuse, the past involvement with the United Nations and other similar agencies.

And in view of the fact that this organization will come under God&#39;s scrutiny and judgment as we now understand from relevant prophecies in the Bible, then it is hard for me to understand how anyone on this site can still be wholeheartedly in support of the organization which is causing our brothers and sisters to stumble and show a lack of love towards each other as well as people outside of the organization of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.
How can anyone who knows what is going on in this organization and knows how Jehovah is feeling about the goings on in it, still be supporting it?

It&#39;s beyond me.

That is why I&#39;m here and not in the organization right now, because I have stopped putting my trust in it and it&#39;s "faithful and discreet slave".

I intend to continue putting my trust in Jehovah and his appointed head of the Christian congregation and so should all of us if we want to survive what is coming upon us.

Only Jehovah God and Jesus Christ can protect us not some monolith of a corporate style of an organization.

From FutureMan

[SWORDOFJAH]

Tell me SWORDOFJAH, who are you loyal too, are you loyal to Jehovah or loyal to the organization?

JW&#39;s are loyal to the Almighty God Jehovah. Also JW&#39;S should be loyal one another. When we speak about the organization we speak about the entire worldwide brotherhood. So to our brotherhood we should be loyal and loving. Of course that loyalty should not go against Biblical principles and laws.

[FutureMan]

Tell me SWORDOFJAH, who are you loyal too, are you loyal to Jehovah or loyal to the organization?

JW&#39;s are loyal to the Almighty God Jehovah. Also JW&#39;S should be loyal one another. When we speak about the organization we speak about the entire worldwide brotherhood. So to our brotherhood we should be loyal and loving. Of course that loyalty should not go against Biblical principles and laws.[/b]

Hmm, without me crossing swords with you excuse the pun, but are you forgetting that you are being disloyal to the brotherhood by being on this site?

The so-called heads of this organization "the faithful and discreet slave" are ordering all their members "the brotherhood" to stay away from these so-called apostate sites of which this one which is linked to the Watchman&#39;s site being rated enemy number 1 by the Watchtower leadership and the governing body.

If you are going by their reckoning on Bible principles then you are breaking the one in the Bible where it states not to associate with wrong doers, of which apostasy is on the top of the list in their eyes.

This might seem to be a strong statement, but that is the reality of this situation.
So if you really believe that you should be loyal to the organization of which you term as the brotherhood, then you simply would not be here.

That is what I put to you now, from my perspective ok, without any prejudiced to you on my part.

From FutureMan

[SWORDOFJAH]

First my friend this thread is about the study of the article in the watchtower. Second

*** g97 7/22 p. 13 The Internet—Why Be Cautious? ***

Like most tools, the Internet has beneficial uses. Yet, there exists the potential for misuse. Some may choose to explore the positive aspects of the Internet further, while others may not. A Christian is not authorized to judge another’s decisions on personal matters.—Romans 14:4.

Regarding the study it was a enjoyable one.

[uglyandthin]

<div class='quotemain'>Tell me SWORDOFJAH, who are you loyal too, are you loyal to Jehovah or loyal to the organization?

JW&#39;s are loyal to the Almighty God Jehovah. Also JW&#39;S should be loyal one another. When we speak about the organization we speak about the entire worldwide brotherhood. So to our brotherhood we should be loyal and loving. Of course that loyalty should not go against Biblical principles and laws.[/b]

Hmm, without me crossing swords with you excuse the pun, but are you forgetting that you are being disloyal to the brotherhood by being on this site?

The so-called heads of this organization "the faithful and discreet slave" are ordering all their members "the brotherhood" to stay away from these so-called apostate sites of which this one which is linked to the Watchman&#39;s site being rated enemy number 1 by the Watchtower leadership and the governing body.

If you are going by their reckoning on Bible principles then you are breaking the one in the Bible where it states not to associate with wrong doers, of which apostasy is on the top of the list in their eyes.

This might seem to be a strong statement, but that is the reality of this situation.
So if you really believe that you should be loyal to the organization of which you term as the brotherhood, then you simply would not be here.

That is what I put to you now, from my perspective ok, without any prejudiced to you on my part.

From FutureMan


[/b][/quote]


Hi FutureMan:

SwordofJah must be careful or he may catch the apostate flu and carry it back to the rest of the brotherhood. It is very infectious. Extreme caution is advised!

uglyandthin

[TheMdC]

The organization as an entity strikes me as something lesser than the sum of its parts.

There are many wonderful brothers in the organization doing many wonderful things for Jehovah and His people. Yes, there are rotten eggs who are going to stink up the entire kitchen. It doesn&#39;t take many to do that and I don&#39;t personally think that there are that many rotten eggs there. Just enough to make the entire thing smell. It doesn&#39;t invalidate or diminish the good things the rest are doing but it certainly makes them all look bad.

Any bad individuals who bring reproach on Jehovah will pay for it. Those who follow them thinking they are something they&#39;re not are in Jehovah&#39;s hands to judge. I don&#39;t pretend to be able to read hearts.

[Cephalon]

First my friend this thread is about the study of the article in the watchtower. Second

*** g97 7/22 p. 13 The Internet—Why Be Cautious? ***

Like most tools, the Internet has beneficial uses. Yet, there exists the potential for misuse. Some may choose to explore the positive aspects of the Internet further, while others may not. A Christian is not authorized to judge another&#39;s decisions on personal matters.—Romans 14:4.

Regarding the study it was a enjoyable one.[/b]
Well said SWORDOFJAH.

[imjustaskin]

<div class='quotemain'>Is there some personal issue going on here that some of us aren&#39;t aware of? Sometimes these really angry and accusatory posts just seem to come out of nowhere. Maybe they would be better handled in PMs.

Just my thoughts![/b]

I&#39;m sorry imjustaskin, I did not mean to come across so negative.
Sometimes I see red when someone waves that red flag in front of me.

In this particular case I felt that since this site is presenting a lot of information that shows that the organization of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is headed down the wrong path of Idolatrous worship even though it is somewhat subtle and that it is almost certain that Satan has gain control of this organization as well as all the other issues involving ones who are wrongfully disfellowshiped or treated with contempt, the cover up of child abuse, the past involvement with the United Nations and other similar agencies.

And in view of the fact that this organization will come under God&#39;s scrutiny and judgment as we now understand from relevant prophecies in the Bible, then it is hard for me to understand how anyone on this site can still be wholeheartedly in support of the organization which is causing our brothers and sisters to stumble and show a lack of love towards each other as well as people outside of the organization of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.
How can anyone who knows what is going on in this organization and knows how Jehovah is feeling about the goings on in it, still be supporting it?

It&#39;s beyond me.

That is why I&#39;m here and not in the organization right now, because I have stopped putting my trust in it and it&#39;s "faithful and discreet slave".

I intend to continue putting my trust in Jehovah and his appointed head of the Christian congregation and so should all of us if we want to survive what is coming upon us.

Only Jehovah God and Jesus Christ can protect us not some monolith of a corporate style of an organization.

From FutureMan



[/b][/quote]

FutureMan, I understand why you feel the way you do, and I don&#39;t judge your decision that you needed to leave the organization. But not all of us have reached that same decision at this time. By acknowledging the good being done, we are not trying to excuse the bad. That seems to be the way you are interpreting it.

The org is what promotes an "all or nothing" viewpoint. Either with us or against us. But you seem to feel the same way, all or nothing. I.E. If we are still part of the org then why are we even on this site, etc. Maybe that works for you, a clear cut line.

Some of us still feel that we get some valuable things from the org. Maybe not even the GB, but maybe just the brothers and sisters, and the association. Why should that make you so angry? At the KH we get pounced on if we say something negative. I don&#39;t want to be afraid of getting pounced on here if I say something positive. (Not that you have ever pounced on me personally!)

Those of us here that are still part of the org, are doing so with open eyes. We don&#39;t pretend we don&#39;t see the wrongs, and we don&#39;t pretend it&#39;s ok, with us or with Jehovah. That is why we are here.

Each of us has to decide on our own between us and Jehovah what action that means for us. It&#39;s so clear that everyone on this board struggles with the choices we make and try hard to be doing the right thing.

Anyway, sorry if this was none of my business! Just putting in my 2 cents. Or 1 cent. Or 10 cents. Maybe I&#39;ll shut up now :rolleyes:

[FutureMan]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Is there some personal issue going on here that some of us aren&#39;t aware of? Sometimes these really angry and accusatory posts just seem to come out of nowhere. Maybe they would be better handled in PMs.

Just my thoughts![/b]

FutureMan, I understand why you feel the way you do, and I don&#39;t judge your decision that you needed to leave the organization. But not all of us have reached that same decision at this time. By acknowledging the good being done, we are not trying to excuse the bad. That seems to be the way you are interpreting it.

The org is what promotes an "all or nothing" viewpoint. Either with us or against us. But you seem to feel the same way, all or nothing. I.E. If we are still part of the org then why are we even on this site, etc. Maybe that works for you, a clear cut line.

Some of us still feel that we get some valuable things from the org. Maybe not even the GB, but maybe just the brothers and sisters, and the association. Why should that make you so angry? At the KH we get pounced on if we say something negative. I don&#39;t want to be afraid of getting pounced on here if I say something positive. (Not that you have ever pounced on me personally!)

Those of us here that are still part of the org, are doing so with open eyes. We don&#39;t pretend we don&#39;t see the wrongs, and we don&#39;t pretend it&#39;s ok, with us or with Jehovah. That is why we are here.

Each of us has to decide on our own between us and Jehovah what action that means for us. It&#39;s so clear that everyone on this board struggles with the choices we make and try hard to be doing the right thing.

Anyway, sorry if this was none of my business! Just putting in my 2 cents. Or 1 cent. Or 10 cents. Maybe I&#39;ll shut up now :rolleyes:
[/b][/quote]

Hello all, I had no wish to offend anyone on this forum or suggest that anyone should leave the organization.

And yes you are correct Mdc that there are a lot of genuine worshipers in the organization, but they are all misled into following a group of men rather than Christ as head of the congregation and using their own bible trained consciences to make important decisions.

Brother Russell himself whom the organization prides itself as the faithful servant who started this organization in it&#39;s own literature, have gone against his wishes as to how the Christian congregation should act.

Another thing that I should mention is that in brother Russell&#39;s will, he stipulated that the writing committee should only have 5 members and not 6.
This was changed by brother Rutherford.
He did not even respect a man&#39;s written will.
If God&#39;s holy spirit was suppose to have being upon him and the information he presented, then why have our organization done it differently.

Is this organization displaying the fruitages of the spirit or does it have another spirit?

Would Jehovah be supporting an organization that has left the correct path?

Was his spirit with the nation of Israel when they left of from worshiping him in the correct way?

Today is no different.
That is why the Watchman has set up his site and why we have this forum, and why he has posted letters to the Bethel branches and various congregations all around the world.

Now what you all need to ask yourself is this?

Is he correct in doing this?

I think so even if the revered "faithful and discreet slave" do not think so.

This is not to say that I&#39;m now following the Watchman, because as the apostle Paul states that we should only be following the Christ.

Only he is head of the congregation.

But I do recognize truth in what he say&#39;s about the organizations failings as a whole, and the coming judgment on it and indeed all those who profess to be Christians in God&#39;s household.

We should all take heed of the warning that he is presenting to us.

I have myself done quite a bit of research on this and all the prophecies are screaming out God&#39;s warning to us today.

Let us all take heed of God&#39;s warning.

Now when it comes to the activities of this site and how the Watchtower Society is reacting to it and other sites like it as well as the varied blog sites of many who were Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, make no mistake the Watchtower Society has declared war all of us that do not agree with it&#39;s dictates.

That is the reality, if you like it or not.

Why do you think that in 2008 the Watchtower society went over to an exclusive watchtower study magazine, with a bold Watchtower on it&#39;s cover? Think about it.

It was to combat what the so-called or perceived apostates were saying and also to refute their claims to their members by articles that water down what ones like the watchman are saying.

Yes they are saying "peace and security" will be upon you if you stay and follow us. "No harm will come to you".

If what the watchman say&#39;s is correct and I believe that he is correct from my own research at least, then this organization is in for a big shock and many will be stumbled as a result of it, make no mistake, and from my understanding two thirds will be lost.

Yes as the Watchman has mentioned before, very shortly we will all have to make a decision in who we are really going to follow.

This organization or Jehovah God and his appointed head Jesus Christ.

My thought as I see it whether you like it or not, from Futureman

[imjustaskin]

FutureMan, I appreciate your thoughts and zeal. We all have a hard walk ahead and will need Jehovah&#39;s spirit and direction to guide us.

[billy2]

I think all have differing circumstances and consciences - and need to respect each one for following his or her own conscience

some are more sensitive to wrongdoing

some have had bad experiences that cause trauma and dysfunction that make it very difficult to attend meetings

some get shunned or disfellowshiped for being honest and genuine

then on the other hand there must be some congregations out there that are more sensitive to individuals concerns and display real christian love and support

-

[Eyes & Ears]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Is there some personal issue going on here that some of us aren&#39;t aware of? Sometimes these really angry and accusatory posts just seem to come out of nowhere. Maybe they would be better handled in PMs.

Just my thoughts![/b]

FutureMan, I understand why you feel the way you do, and I don&#39;t judge your decision that you needed to leave the organization. But not all of us have reached that same decision at this time. By acknowledging the good being done, we are not trying to excuse the bad. That seems to be the way you are interpreting it.

The org is what promotes an "all or nothing" viewpoint. Either with us or against us. But you seem to feel the same way, all or nothing. I.E. If we are still part of the org then why are we even on this site, etc. Maybe that works for you, a clear cut line.

Some of us still feel that we get some valuable things from the org. Maybe not even the GB, but maybe just the brothers and sisters, and the association. Why should that make you so angry? At the KH we get pounced on if we say something negative. I don&#39;t want to be afraid of getting pounced on here if I say something positive. (Not that you have ever pounced on me personally!)

Those of us here that are still part of the org, are doing so with open eyes. We don&#39;t pretend we don&#39;t see the wrongs, and we don&#39;t pretend it&#39;s ok, with us or with Jehovah. That is why we are here.

Each of us has to decide on our own between us and Jehovah what action that means for us. It&#39;s so clear that everyone on this board struggles with the choices we make and try hard to be doing the right thing.

Anyway, sorry if this was none of my business! Just putting in my 2 cents. Or 1 cent. Or 10 cents. Maybe I&#39;ll shut up now :rolleyes:
[/b][/quote]

Hello all, I had no wish to offend anyone on this forum or suggest that anyone should leave the organization.

And yes you are correct Mdc that there are a lot of genuine worshipers in the organization, but they are all misled into following a group of men rather than Christ as head of the congregation and using their own bible trained consciences to make important decisions.

Brother Russell himself whom the organization prides itself as the faithful servant who started this organization in it&#39;s own literature, have gone against his wishes as to how the Christian congregation should act.

Another thing that I should mention is that in brother Russell&#39;s will, he stipulated that the writing committee should only have 5 members and not 6.
This was changed by brother Rutherford.
He did not even respect a man&#39;s written will.
If God&#39;s holy spirit was suppose to have being upon him and the information he presented, then why have our organization done it differently.

Is this organization displaying the fruitages of the spirit or does it have another spirit?

Would Jehovah be supporting an organization that has left the correct path?

Was his spirit with the nation of Israel when they left of from worshiping him in the correct way?

Today is no different.
That is why the Watchman has set up his site and why we have this forum, and why he has posted letters to the Bethel branches and various congregations all around the world.

Now what you all need to ask yourself is this?

Is he correct in doing this?

I think so even if the revered "faithful and discreet slave" do not think so.

This is not to say that I&#39;m now following the Watchman, because as the apostle Paul states that we should only be following the Christ.

Only he is head of the congregation.

But I do recognize truth in what he say&#39;s about the organizations failings as a whole, and the coming judgment on it and indeed all those who profess to be Christians in God&#39;s household.

We should all take heed of the warning that he is presenting to us.

I have myself done quite a bit of research on this and all the prophecies are screaming out God&#39;s warning to us today.

Let us all take heed of God&#39;s warning.

Now when it comes to the activities of this site and how the Watchtower Society is reacting to it and other sites like it as well as the varied blog sites of many who were Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, make no mistake the Watchtower Society has declared war all of us that do not agree with it&#39;s dictates.

That is the reality, if you like it or not.

Why do you think that in 2008 the Watchtower society went over to an exclusive watchtower study magazine, with a bold Watchtower on it&#39;s cover? Think about it.

It was to combat what the so-called or perceived apostates were saying and also to refute their claims to their members by articles that water down what ones like the watchman are saying.

Yes they are saying "peace and security" will be upon you if you stay and follow us. "No harm will come to you".

If what the watchman say&#39;s is correct and I believe that he is correct from my own research at least, then this organization is in for a big shock and many will be stumbled as a result of it, make no mistake, and from my understanding two thirds will be lost.

Yes as the Watchman has mentioned before, very shortly we will all have to make a decision in who we are really going to follow.

This organization or Jehovah God and his appointed head Jesus Christ.

My thought as I see it whether you like it or not, from Futureman


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HI FM

I certainly do agree with you in what I highlighted under your Let&#39;s Take Heed of
God&#39;s warning.

I appreciated your heartfelt expressions.

E & E

[TheMdC]

Just so everyone knows, no offense has been taken by me over anyone&#39;s comments. As mentioned, we all come from our own perspective and many if not most of us do not feel like the org should be viewed by us as an all-or-nothing proposition at this point. There are too many good people there to just abandon them to their ignorance. For others, in whom righteous indignation burns hotter, you have chosen a different path.

Only Phineas grabbed a javelin and took action against the sinners. Surely, the bystanders weren&#39;t all condemned for not doing so, especially those who followed pure worship thereafter.

Now, for a question. Part of FM&#39;s post above said:

Let us all take heed of God&#39;s warning.

Now when it comes to the activities of this site and how the Watchtower Society is reacting to it and other sites like it as well as the varied blog sites of many who were Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, make no mistake the Watchtower Society has declared war all of us that do not agree with it&#39;s dictates.

That is the reality, if you like it or not.

Why do you think that in 2008 the Watchtower society went over to an exclusive watchtower study magazine, with a bold Watchtower on it&#39;s cover? Think about it.

It was to combat what the so-called or perceived apostates were saying and also to refute their claims to their members by articles that water down what ones like the watchman are saying.

Yes they are saying "peace and security" will be upon you if you stay and follow us. "No harm will come to you".[/b]
I don&#39;t get it. What is the WT doing in reaction to these sites that it hasn&#39;t always done? (ie. warn against the dangers of the Internet)
And could you elaborate on how having two distinct Watchtower mags is a reaction to Internet sites? I don&#39;t get that, either.
Thanks.

If there&#39;s a thread that already discusses these questions, maybe it would be more appropriate to bump it rather than discuss it again here? Here, there, wherever. I&#39;m interested in the congregation&#39;s ideas about this.

[imjustaskin]

I think all have differing circumstances and consciences - and need to respect each one for following his or her own conscience

some are more sensitive to wrongdoing

some have had bad experiences that cause trauma and dysfunction that make it very difficult to attend meetings

some get shunned or disfellowshiped for being honest and genuine

then on the other hand there must be some congregations out there that are more sensitive to individuals concerns and display real christian love and support

-[/b]


Well said, Billy :y:

[TheMdC]

Although the questions in my last post were toward FM, anyone can feel free to answer them, if you have any thoughts on the matter. Thanks.

[FutureMan]

Although the questions in my last post were toward FM, anyone can feel free to answer them, if you have any thoughts on the matter. Thanks.[/b]

Hello Mdc and hello all, perhaps it is in my fertile imagination, but have not the Watchtower Society changed the format of the cover page to assert there authority by first of all a large imposing Watchtower on the left hand side and second all the study articles are in line with the Watchtower, seemingly to denote that the information therein is by their authority and then they have the picture of the Bible in a lot smaller format down on the bottom of the page as a lesser authority than theirs.

Also if you notice "THE WATCHTOWER" Logo is quite large compared to the " Announcing Jehovah&#39;s Kindom" Logo on the bottom of it.

Now if you turn over the page you will see the same deal with the Logo.
Actually to read "Announcing Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom" on this page I actually need glasses to read it, but I can very easily read the " "THE WATCHTOWER" Logo.

Now I have actually gone though all the articles from the 1st of January to now our noticed an increase in frequency of the number of times that the "faithful and discreet slave" is mentioned to establish the governing body&#39;s authority throughout a lot of study articles.

Also the frequency of the number of times APOSTATES is mentioned in these articles have increased, up and till now.

From FutureMan.

[Cephalon]

<div class='quotemain'>Although the questions in my last post were toward FM, anyone can feel free to answer them, if you have any thoughts on the matter. Thanks.[/b]


Now I have actually gone though all the articles from the 1st of January to now our noticed an increase in frequency of the number of times that the "faithful and discreet slave" is mentioned to establish the governing body&#39;s authority throughout a lot of study articles.

From FutureMan.



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Actually that is not correct. From January to present, there are more articles/studies about Jesus than almost anything else (probably/probably not more than Jehovah) and more articles/studies to come in the following months. In that span there have been only one article/study about the FDS if I remember and when the FDS is mentioned in other articles, it&#39;s usually one paragraph or 2 at the most.