Adam And Eve

[Gabriel]

Before Adam and Eve sined, were they capable of seein the unseen...such as Angels. The thought just crosed my mind. Really the reason why we cant behold such things is because of our sinful condition....not just because we are flesh. With Adam and Eve in there "Superior" possition...Perfection....Im inclined to believe that they were capable to behold much more than what we are able to see at present. They had no sin in them. O! YEAH...ONE MORE THOUGHT. Did they also have belly buttons??? Dont think so...they were created not actually born. Wonder what they must have looked like...no belly buttons

[eyes&ears]

Well LV,

I don't know about any of that. But if Eve could have seen the unseen, she sure would have been able to see how Satan was using the Serpent to deceive her. (just my human thought)

I won't touch your belly button thingy. What didja put in your coffee this morning LV. :Love: SUGAR OR SPLENDA :D You know I love ya. Please don't get made at me for poking fun OKEY DOKEY.

Hugs

E & E

[Gabriel]

Well LV,

I don't know about any of that. But if Eve could have seen the unseen, she sure would have been able to see how Satan was using the Serpent to deceive her. (just my human thought)

I won't touch your belly button thingy. What didja put in your coffee this morning LV. :Love: SUGAR OR SPLENDA :D You know I love ya. Please don't get made at me for poking fun OKEY DOKEY.

Hugs

E & E[/b]


LOl! Not at all eyes and ears. That was exactly what I was thinking when I was typin this thing up..."Who spiked the coffee pot" I work 2jobs. My secound Job I work late night hours. I tend to drink lots of coffe to keep my head from crashing into the key board. These are just a few of the crazy thoughts that cross my mind during the late night hours. My thoughts are a lot more stable on my normal 9-5 shift.

[eyes&ears]

OKEY DOKEY LV :Love:

E & E

[Dorcas]

Dear LV,As to the make up of Adam and Eve -- They were especially designed to live on the earth, not to have some semi-spiritual existence. Gen. 1:26 And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth." 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth." 29 And God went on to say: "Here I have given to YOU all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed. To YOU let it serve as food. 30 And to every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving upon the earth in which there is life as a soul I have given all green vegetation for food." And it came to be so.

31 After that God saw everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day.
According to Mosaic Law, (eye for eye, etc} Christ had to be no more or less than Adam to provide a legitimate sacrifice. (Read Rom., chpt. 1. Jesus, being a perfect man had enhanced qualities physically, mentally, and spiritually. He had the "ear" of his father in the heavens, but he could be no more than Adan or the sacrifice wouldn't be equal. Remember that Adam had open communication with Jehovah until he sinned. Satan was --at that time--the covering cherub of this new couple. 11 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 12 "Son of man, lift up a dirge concerning the king of Tyre, and you must say to him, 'This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said."

Eze. 28:12-21 "'"You are sealing up a pattern, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 In E´den, the garden of God, you proved to be. Every precious stone was your covering, ruby, topaz and jasper; chrys´o·lite, onyx and jade; sapphire, turquoise and emerald; and of gold was the workmanship of your settings and your sockets in you. In the day of your being created they were made ready. 14 You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you. On the holy mountain of God you proved to be. In the midst of fiery stones you walked about. 15 You were faultless in your ways from the day of your being created until unrighteousness was found in you.

16 "'"Because of the abundance of your sales goods they filled the midst of you with violence, and you began to sin. And I shall put you as profane out of the mountain of God, and I shall destroy you, O cherub that is covering, from the midst of the fiery stones.

17 "'"Your heart became haughty because of your beauty. You brought your wisdom to ruin on account of your beaming splendor. Onto the earth I will throw you. Before kings I will set you, [for them] to look upon you.

18 "'"Owing to the abundance of your errors, because of the injustice of your sales goods, you have profaned your sanctuaries. And I shall bring forth a fire from the midst of you. It is what must devour you. And I shall make you ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all those seeing you. 19 As for all those knowing you among the peoples, they will certainly stare in amazement at you. Sudden terrors are what you must become, and you will be no more to time indefinite.
As you can read, Satan was a covering cherub sent to oversee the newly created coupe. He led them astray, and, because they were perfect, their disobedience were cut off from God.
This is why we are cut off from direct contact with God, and need a mediator (Jesus) in order to communicate.
I hope this clears up a thing or two. Maybe other friends can help you further.
Love to Very Valuable,
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[Molly]

Littlevalue-

I love the belly button question!!! It amused me all morning. On the other hand, it is probably true that they didn't have one but who am I to say.

Dorcas-

With regard to Ezekial 28:14 where it implies that Satan was the "anointed angel that is covering," the Jerusalem and the Tyndale say that he is the "guardian cherub", which makes his treachery even worce. He was apparently entrusted with the job of protecting Adam and Eve, which would make his sin even more detestable.

Molly

[Dorcas]

Littlevalue-

I love the belly button question!!! It amused me all morning. On the other hand, it is probably true that they didn't have one but who am I to say.

Dorcas-

With regard to Ezekial 28:14 where it implies that Satan was the "anointed angel that is covering," the Jerusalem and the Tyndale say that he is the "guardian cherub", which makes his treachery even worce. He was apparently entrusted with the job of protecting Adam and Eve, which would make his sin even more detestable.

Molly[/b]Check again, Molly --it says "anointed cherub". You are certainly right about Satan being too big for his pants! He is very smart, very jealous of Jehovah, and totally evil...
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[stayawake]

Hi to you too LV :
Thought I would throw in my two cents . IMHO
First we know we cannot see into the spirit world as we were created a little lower then the angels, there fore cannot enter that demension.
Besides what would there be to see as there are no bodies in that part of the universe.
We also know that Michael left his spirit form emptied himself and became a little lower then the angels by being born a human.


Can you Imagine there was NO Michael /No Jesus for nine mos.
Know wonder the angels sang on high when he Jesus finally showed up in a stable. This was their brother. Sorry getting off of the question.
We seen Jesus as a perfect human. So heres the way I see it, after the 1000 years and everyone has reached perfection, we should be able to do what Jesus did.
Now forget about the miricles he preformed, one must remember they were done on imperfect humans, so once we reach perfection there wont be any need for that
But I wont be a bit surprised if the Revealing of the true Sons of God before Armegedden, will have this power when HS is poured out as in JOEL.
OK back to the question

No , Jesus was Perfect but never went into the spirit world until after he died and was raised a spirit.
There is a time recorded where he preached to some of the fallen angels before his assention into heaven.
If he hadn't been raised from the dead in the spirit this could have never taken place
So being Jesus was the equalvent of Adam , I would say No Adam did not see any angels unless they took on Human form.
Now if the angel that was placed at the garden gate to keep Adam and Eve from going back in could be seen, I don't know. After the flood there was no more need to guard that garden it was done away with.
love stayawake

[Molly]

Check again, Molly --it says "anointed cherub". You are certainly right about Satan being too big for his pants! He is very smart, very jealous of Jehovah, and totally evil...
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Hi Dorcas-

I checked again on Ezekial 28:14.

My Jerusalem Bible reads: "I had provided you with a guardian cherub..."

My Tyndale Bible reads: "I appointed you to be the anointed guardian cherub."

My NIV Bible reads: "You were anointed as a guardian cherub,..."

Molly