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Gabriel
04-17-2007, 05:54 PM
You know in the climax book, where it shows Jehovah setting on his throne and allthe angels around him..kinda like a panaramic view? actually I think its the next page after that where it shows a christal ceiling above Jehovah....or was it underneith?? seeing that picture for the first time at the age of 14/15 Ive always wondered if solid material exist in the heavens. Also I like how they show or illustrate the 4living creatures too. Did you you that the high ranking angels are the only ones that have Wings? and the minimum of wings that a angel has is 4! the average rank and file spirit dont even have wings at all! So im always wondering why does the society depic the average rank and file angel with wings?? The ones that do are called seraphs,cherubs,and creatures. These are only just a few that Jehovah has allowed us to know about. can you imagine how beautiful some of these heavenly "creatures" are. Perhaps we dont have any info about them is because they have nothing to do with pronouncing Jehovahs judgements on the earth, but rather work in a totally different department. I cant imagine the awe and wonder the annointed have in store for them when they recieve thier reward. And out of all of this. I still rather be right here...on earth :winko:

Shibboleth
04-17-2007, 06:10 PM
hey LV good post.

I just wanted to state (this is from memory so bear with me) that when the heavens are described in the bible, the words "like or likened" usually are meant to describe what something resembles and not what it actually is. Since nothing physical is in the heavens it is obvious that the actual material gold, silver, pearls and others could not be physically in heaven but there could be spiritual materials that resemble these physical objects. John and Ezekiel both use the words like and likened alot when they describe heaven. Most likely because there were no actual words to describe what they saw so they had to use words that were common to them at their time.

we can only catch glimpses of what heaven is like only through what the prophets of old told us.

DoubtingThomas
04-17-2007, 07:57 PM
E = mc2. Fascinating stuff Littlevalue. I love Physics. One of my favorite subjects. Einsteen's theory of relativity has proven that matter and energy are equivalent - that you can convert matter into energy and energy into matter. The Bible describes Jehovah as a source of dynamic energy. Man is made of flesh (or matter). We (matter) are made (created) from Jehovah's (energy). When the annointed die and are resurrected they will be converted from flesh (matter) back into a spirit (energy). Since some of the annointed have already been resurrected (according to WT theology) and are now communicating with the GB, we should ask one of the GB if the artist pictures in the Revelation book are an accurate representation of the heavenly creatures (sources of energy).

Gabriel
04-18-2007, 12:43 AM
E = mc2. Fascinating stuff Littlevalue. I love Physics. One of my favorite subjects. Einsteen's theory of relativity has proven that matter and energy are equivalent - that you can convert matter into energy and energy into matter. The Bible describes Jehovah as a source of dynamic energy. Man is made of flesh (or matter). We (matter) are made (created) from Jehovah's (energy). When the annointed die and are resurrected they will be converted from flesh (matter) back into a spirit (energy). Since some of the annointed have already been resurrected (according to WT theology) and are now communicating with the GB, we should ask one of the GB if the artist pictures in the Revelation book are an accurate representation of the heavenly creatures (sources of energy).[/b]


DT That was so funny! But can you imagine never seeing the earth the same way. Never seeing anthing the same way. Im sure at some point in time mankind will reach a point when we will be the same way (seeing things entirely different than what we used to) and are able to grasp more things due to the fact that we would have reached perfection and able to have full access to our minds, Jehovah will decide to revel more things regarding c=mc2-2c*2d ( oh that means spirit) just in our case things will be more gradual rather than instintaneous as would be the case with the annointed.

Dorcas
04-18-2007, 02:10 AM
You know in the climax book, where it shows Jehovah setting on his throne and allthe angels around him..kinda like a panaramic view? actually I think its the next page after that where it shows a christal ceiling above Jehovah....or was it underneith?? seeing that picture for the first time at the age of 14/15 Ive always wondered if solid material exist in the heavens. Also I like how they show or illustrate the 4living creatures too. Did you you that the high ranking angels are the only ones that have Wings? and the minimum of wings that a angel has is 4! the average rank and file spirit dont even have wings at all! So im always wondering why does the society depic the average rank and file angel with wings?? The ones that do are called seraphs,cherubs,and creatures. These are only just a few that Jehovah has allowed us to know about. can you imagine how beautiful some of these heavenly "creatures" are. Perhaps we dont have any info about them is because they have nothing to do with pronouncing Jehovahs judgements on the earth, but rather work in a totally different department. I cant imagine the awe and wonder the annointed have in store for them when they recieve thier reward. And out of all of this. I still rather be right here...on earth :winko:[/b] Dear Very Valuable,
Are you sitting down?? Angels don't have anything! Angels are spirit creatures and you can't see them. The pictures in the WT publications as well as the appearances recorded in the Bible are for the benefit of poor humans like us. A voice coming out of no where could be scary. Angels are spiritual beings but they can be destroyed (like Satan and his demons). Love, Dorcas http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/MSN%20Vlinder.gif
<div align="center">ANGEL (Insight Volume)</div>
Both the Hebrew mal·´akh´ and the Greek ag´ge·los literally mean “messenger.” From the first book of the Bible to the last, these words occur nearly 400 times. When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to human creatures, the rendering is “messengers.” (Ge 16:7; 32:3; Jas 2:25; Re 22:8; see MESSENGER.) However, in the highly symbolic book of Revelation certain references to ‘angels’ may apply to human creatures.—Re 2:1, 8, 12, 18; 3:1, 7, 14.

Angels are sometimes termed spirits; that which is spirit is invisible and powerful. Thus we read: “A spirit came out and stood before Jehovah”; “Are they not all spirits for public service?” (1Ki 22:21; Heb 1:14) Having invisible spiritual bodies, they make their abode “in the heavens.” (Mr 12:25; 1Co 15:44, 50) They are also termed “sons of the true God,” “morning stars,” and “holy myriads” (or “holy ones”).—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; De 33:2.

Not being creatures that marry and reproduce their own kind, the angels were individually created by Jehovah through his firstborn Son, “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Mt 22:30; Re 3:14) “By means of him [this firstborn Son, the Word] all other things were created in the heavens . . . the things invisible . . . Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.” (Col 1:15-17; Joh 1:1-3) The angels were created long before man’s appearance, for at the ‘founding of the earth’ “the morning stars joyfully cried out together, and all the sons of God began shouting in applause.”—Job 38:4-7.

As for the number of the angelic hosts of heaven, Daniel said he saw “a thousand thousands that kept ministering to [God], and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him.”—Da 7:10; Heb 12:22; Jude 14.

Order and Rank. As with the visible creation, so also in the invisible realm there is order and rank among the angels. The foremost angel, both in power and authority, is Michael, the archangel. (Da 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Re 12:7; see ARCHANGEL; MICHAEL No. 1.) Because of his preeminence and his being called “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [God’s] people,” he is presumed to be the angel that led Israel through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20-23) Ranking very high among the angels in privileges and honor are the seraphs. (Isa 6:2, 6; see SERAPHS.) More frequently (some 90 times), the Scriptures mention the cherubs, and from the description of their duties and responsibilities it is apparent that they, too, hold a special position among the angels. (Ge 3:24; Eze 10:1-22; see CHERUB No. 1.) Then there is the great body of angelic messengers who serve as a means of communication between God and man. However, they do more than simply relay messages. As agents and deputies of the Most High God, they serve as responsible executioners of the divine purpose, be it protection and deliverance of God’s people or destruction of the wicked.—Ge 19:1-26.

Personality. Some may deny distinct personality of individual angels, claiming they are impersonal forces of energy dispatched to accomplish the will of God, but the Bible teaches otherwise. Individual names imply individuality. The fact that two of their names, Michael and Gabriel, are given establishes the point sufficiently. (Da 12:1; Lu 1:26) The lack of more names was a safeguard against giving undue honor and worship to these creatures. Angels were dispatched by God as agents to act in his name, not in their own name. Hence, when Jacob asked an angel for his name, he refused to give it. (Ge 32:29) The angel that approached Joshua, when asked to identify himself, replied only that he was “prince of the army of Jehovah.” (Jos 5:14) When Samson’s parents asked an angel for his name, he withheld it, saying: “Just why should you ask about my name, when it is a wonderful one?” (Jg 13:17, 18) The apostle John attempted to worship angels and was twice rebuked: “Be careful! Do not do that! . . . Worship God.”—Re 19:10; 22:8, 9.

As personalities, angels have the power to communicate with one another (1Co 13:1), the ability to talk various languages of men (Nu 22:32-35; Da 4:23; Ac 10:3-7), and the thinking ability with which to glorify and praise Jehovah (Ps 148:2; Lu 2:13). It is true that angels are sexless, because Jehovah made them so, not because they are impersonal forces. Angels are generally represented as males, and when materializing it was always in the male form, because God and his Son are spoken of as males. However, when certain materialized angels indulged in the pleasure of sex in the days of Noah, they were expelled from Jehovah’s heavenly courts. Here was a display of angelic individuality, for, like humankind, they too are free moral agents, with the power of personal choice between right and wrong. (Ge 6:2, 4; 2Pe 2:4) By personal choice, hordes of angels joined Satan in his rebellion.—Re 12:7-9; Mt 25:41.

Powers and Privileges. Since God created man “a little lower than angels” (Heb 2:7), it follows that angels have a greater mental capacity than man. They are superhuman in power too. “Bless Jehovah, O you angels of his, mighty in power, carrying out his word.” Angelic knowledge and power were displayed when two angels brought flaming destruction upon Sodom and Gomorrah. A single angel killed 185,000 of the Assyrian army.—Ps 103:20; Ge 19:13, 24; 2Ki 19:35.

NEW HEART
08-05-2007, 08:04 PM
I am blabering here too, and what if a spiritual body has to do with a higher frequency and virbrating at a higher frequency. You still see things and feel, but it is a more blissful and awe inspiring in heaven. We cannot see a spirit, because of this. We know they are there though, the angels watching and such. Remember the scripture that says sometime we entertain angels unknowingly?

New Heart

Sketch
08-05-2007, 08:22 PM
The ones that do are called seraphs,cherubs,and creatures.[/b]

I like how EVERYONE depicts cherubs as cute little babies with wings... Aren&#39;t cherubs supposed to be the equivalent of the "special forces" in the spirit world? of all the angels to pick on - depicted as "helpless" babies, they choose these guys... SMRT!

As for entertaining the Angels... I think that would be a resounding YES... I laugh at stupid people all the time... and of course you have the actual funny stuff we do too... especially children... (not to mention the animal cubs/pups/etc...)

\is it bad to laugh at "Darwin Award" winners??