Armmageddon is here?

[Infitima]

I know we're not supposed to post links...
But on JWD site, they posted up a chatlog with a girl saying her mother said at the convention all the signs are fulfilled and they're just waiting for armmageddon...

Is this true?
I went to the convention this year and there was nothing like that. Are the newer ones saying it? Can I post the link?

[TheMdC]

Most people in the org tend to forget about the Great Tribulation, and when they think of it they often confuse it with Armageddon. Marque100's "Slander" thread addresses this same topic somewhat.

I'm not a prophet, not even a prognosticator, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge upheaval this fall and winter and many in the org fall prey to thinking it's THE end when it is really just the beginning. Then, when expectations again go unfulfilled many will fall away. The tribulation will end, briefly, and those still alive won't be in any sort of "new system" like that most JWs imagine. It will be a test because there will be some who speak the truth and that truth may well be contrary to anything anyone else (even the WT org, if they're still operating) is saying.

To whom do we belong? Which God will we obey?

[Infitima]

But was that really said? Or was the persons mother exaggerating, or the daughter lying? wouldn't it be all over the hall and not just conventions?

[TheMdC]

Things are misinterpreted or misstated all the time. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate.

That said, the org does believe that pretty much all the prophecies have already been fulfilled and that all that's left is the Great Tribulation and Armageddon.

Most people within the org, however, don't make the separation between the two events. Because one leads to the other, they forget about the pause in between. And because both are said to be destructive events, they're often equated.

[Infitima]

What about the peace and security one? And don't they stop preaching first?
The convention I went to had nothing like this...
This is what the other topic posted.



from an online chat with a daughter of a witness:

3:34:46 PM: so my mom told me that at the convention they told them that all the signs have been fulfilled and they are just waiting for armagedon to come which they think will be very soon
3:35:12 PM: yea and they said it would start in the united states first lol
3:36:03 PM: and she said something about they took all the printing stuff to canada bc united states is gonna be first to be persecuted
3:36:45 PM: i guess everyone at bethel ect has to have a "go bag" packed at all times now
3:37:27 PM: and they said everyone else should have one too now
3:38:36 PM: its just stupid bs that they all buy into and look like idiots with their go bags sitting around the house
3:38:56 PM: my mom is seriously packing bags
3:40:28 PM: thats insane

^They posted that.

[TheMdC]

I didn't hear anything about the "go bags" at the conventions I attended but if they did talk about them, then that's some of the best and most practical advice given at a convention in a long time.

Every home should have at least one and should be stocked with survival gear.

To think things aren't going to get really bad really soon is naive and will contribute to the chaos when it comes.

As for the prophecies, think about how many of them the org claims have been fulfilled. Most of them. Pretty much all of Matthew 24 and Luke 21. A huge portion of Revelation. Isaiah, Daniel, etc. have mostly all been fulfilled, according to the org. Not a lot left.

[FutureMan]

I didn't hear anything about the
As for the prophecies, think about how many of them the org claims have been fulfilled. Most of them. Pretty much all of Matthew 24 and Luke 21. A huge portion of Revelation. Isaiah, Daniel, etc. have mostly all been fulfilled, according to the org. Not a lot left.

I do remember back in 1994 or around then anyway, that the brothers were saying that the preaching work had being done and on top of that all the prophecies in Daniel had by large being fulfilled.
Also this fulfillment was applied to the book of Revelation right up to the destruction of Babylon the Great and the Great tribulation but not including it.
The brothers at that time were saying that peace and security had being cried since 1986 and that all that had to happen next was the destruction of Babylon the Great, the Great Tribulation, and finally Armageddon.

[Nightflyer]

I know we're not supposed to post links...
But on JWD site, they posted up a chatlog with a girl saying her mother said at the convention all the signs are fulfilled and they're just waiting for armmageddon...

Is this true?
I went to the convention this year and there was nothing like that. Are the newer ones saying it? Can I post the link?

Dont they say this in pretty much every convention? :rolleyes: I dont get it why people buy it year after year, decade after decade. Then after a while they just end up disappointed when nothing seems to happen.

Of course the end will come because the Bible says so. And it can be very near and probably is - but there simply is no way of knowing how near. The fact is that the speakers in the conventions, the GB members - they dont know any better than any of us here how near it is. I also remember the year 1986 when the UN declared it as the year of peace or something and every Jw got so excited about it. And who can forget 9/11?

What I personally see as a important sign of that nearness is the man of lawlessnes at work who is beating brothers by disfellowshiping them when they just ask some sincere questions about some Wt teachings.

[shikinah]

What about the peace and security one? And don't they stop preaching first?
The convention I went to had nothing like this...
This is what the other topic posted.


^They posted that.

Sorry, I'm trying to stop my self from cracking up, I've never heard anything so funny, will reply when ive stopped laughing:eek::confused::lol:
Its the conversation "go bags" see how things just escalate.

"3:38:36 PM: its just stupid bs that they all buy into and look like idiots with their go bags sitting around the house"

I have been ill with pneumonia for over five weeks now, but this is the best medicine ive had and then you have TheMdc saying
"then that's some of the best and most practical advice given at a convention in a long time. Every home should have at least one and should be stocked with survival gear.



Thanks Guys
Shikinah

[Utuna]

Dear all,

I attended the convention in France and nothing about it all was uttered.

As for the "go bags", if the GT is to last several years, it will be useful just for the first few days after the start of it, otherwise you better have bought a very big "go bag"...

It's better to rely on Jehovah for the most part of the GT. Brothers and sisters did suffer a lot in concentration camps during the WWII, but God gave them what they needed to survive.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[shikinah]

That's very true Utuna, we have to rely on Jehovah.
I know when there was impending danger in past times like the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem they fled to the mountains, those at bethel or anyone of us with go bags, where exactly are we to go?
What about the elderly and the sick? But then it says when you see the disgusting thing flee to the mountains, what mountains?
Some times its a bit conflicting, but I'm sure Jehovah will guide the faithful in the right direction nearer the time.

Shikinah

[FutureMan]

That's very true Utuna, we have to rely on Jehovah.
I know when there was impending danger in past times like the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem they fled to the mountains, those at bethel or anyone of us with go bags, where exactly are we to go?
What about the elderly and the sick? But then it says when you see the disgusting thing flee to the mountains, what mountains?
Some times its a bit conflicting, but I'm sure Jehovah will guide the faithful in the right direction nearer the time.

Shikinah

Hello shikinah, the surrounding mountains in those days were in the wilderness. This is where you could hide in those days, from those who are pursuing you.
It is very hard to find someone in the rugged mountains.

So from my perspective the mountains that we are to flee to would be perhaps in a figurative sense would be the wilderness of this system of things outside of organized religion, or in our situation, outside of this organization.

Just ask the Russians when they tried to bring Afghanistan under their control many years ago.
The Afghanistan guerrillas always fought them from their hiding places that were in the rugged mountains that exist in their country.

The Russians finally left them broke financially and defeated.

Perhaps the Americans and their allies can take a lesson from this as they try and subjugate the Taliban in Afghanistan today.

I just thought that I might also add that we could literally be hiding from the secular authority, in the wilderness of the mountains in the countryside or in certain areas of the cities where it is hard to find anyone and where you can hide from the authorities if need be.

[shikinah]

Hello shikinah, the surrounding mountains in those days were in the wilderness. This is where you could hide in those days, from those who are pursuing you.
It is very hard to find someone in the rugged mountains.

So from my perspective the mountains that we are to flee to would be perhaps in a figurative sense would be the wilderness of this system of things outside of organized religion, or in our situation, outside of this organization.

Just ask the Russians when they tried to bring Afghanistan under their control many years ago.
The Afghanistan guerrillas always fought them from their hiding places that were in the rugged mountains that exist in their country.

The Russians finally left them broke financially and defeated.

Perhaps the Americans and their allies can take a lesson from this as they try and subjugate the Taliban in Afghanistan today.

I just thought that I might also add that we could literally be hiding from the secular authority, in the wilderness of the mountains in the countryside or in certain areas of the cities where it is hard to find anyone and where you can hide from the authorities if need be.

Thank you very much for that explanation futureman, your definately right. the scriptures say "GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE"
We need to be as far away as possible from this set up. If you think about it, there are NO stupid leaders or heads of religion are there, they know exactly what the U.N stands for or they wouldnt be attending summit meetings etc. Are they in denial of this New Age Christ and forming one world religion? i doubt it very much.
The only fools are the sheep, which dont look for themselves, but follow everyother shephard but Jesus Christ.

Sisterly Love
Shikinah

[billy2]

I only heard a small segment on the sunday morning session - the speaker was saying that when the Great Tribulation starts, then the doors to salvation are shut - and that we better get it together as we dont want to be one of those banging on the doors to be let in when its too late - just like it proberly was during Noahs day - the people were proberbly banging on the ark to survive back then - so i got the message the society is waiting for the GT to start

the talk did leave me thinking that the speaker did take liberties in assuming what was going on during Noahs day - as there is nothing in the bible about people banging on the ark - and i also thought that Armaggedon was the last opportunity for people to survive - as Revelation says the great crowd come out of the GT

i also found the convention was being very securely guarded - i couldnt find how to get into the building and asked one of the parking attendents (non witness) and they suggested a particular entrance - when i finally found a door to enter - i was given the 3rd degree on how i came to be at that part of the building - if i had been a newly interested one it would have been very oft putting - it didnt make me feel very welcome

[shikinah]

I only heard a small segment on the sunday morning session - the speaker was saying that when the Great Tribulation starts, then the doors to salvation are shut - and that we better get it together as we dont want to be one of those banging on the doors to be let in when its too late - just like it proberly was during Noahs day - the people were proberbly banging on the ark to survive back then - so i got the message the society is waiting for the GT to start

the talk did leave me thinking that the speaker did take liberties in assuming what was going on during Noah's day - as there is nothing in the bible about people banging on the ark - and i also thought that Armageddon was the last opportunity for people to survive - as Revelation says the great crowd come out of the GT

i also found the convention was being very securely guarded - i couldnt find how to get into the building and asked one of the parking attendents (non witness) and they suggested a particular entrance - when i finally found a door to enter - i was given the 3rd degree on how i came to be at that part of the building - if i had been a newly interested one it would have been very oft putting - it didnt make me feel very welcome

I agree with you on this, we had a lot more police presence than usual, and a check point where you were asked questions. I saw a few changes and dont know if its me, but i didn't feel the happiness and excitement i once felt coming from people, people looked tired and some how bewildered. Our circuits been split so its not as full anymore either so the vibe isn't the same.

[billy2]

Hi Shikinah

The talk had alot of tension of creating fear and discipline -but i guess that is not unusual - i find most assemblies with the same attitude - the talks always make me feel like i've been doing something wrong - a heavy blanket of guilt decends on me and i get very down hearted and discouraged - then it was the lunch break - I thought i would go and look for someone i knew to have lunch with and couldnt find anyone - so i sat on the grass on my own surrounded by groups of people - no one said a word to me and i felt really uncomfortable and discouraged so i drove home - i found the whole experience very depressing even though i tried to have a positive attitude

[shikinah]

Hi Shikinah

The talk had alot of tension of creating fear and discipline -but i guess that is not unusual - i find most assemblies with the same attitude - the talks always make me feel like Ive been doing something wrong - a heavy blanket of guilt descends on me and i get very down hearted and discouraged - then it was the lunch break - I thought i would go and look for someone i knew to have lunch with and couldn't find anyone - so i sat on the grass on my own surrounded by groups of people - no one said a word to me and i felt really uncomfortable and discouraged so i drove home - i found the whole experience very depressing even though i tried to have a positive attitude

I'm glad I'm not alone, i thought perhaps i was being critical, but i did meet one person i knew, and i invited them to sit with us, but he mumbled and rushed off. Yes that warmth and hospitality, out side of the assigned attendants, seem to have slipped away. I saw people munching away, talking, having jokes, some had ear phones in, there seem to be a lack of respect. I've seen meetings where muslims show more respect to their wicked god, than some of these did for Jehovah. I think there becoming tired of waiting, and just hanging on in there, my heart go's out to them. What difficult times we are living in, i pray that soon things will be revealed for what they really are.


Jah Blessings
Shikinah

[panda]

The go-bags, were in case of natural disaster, that is what was read at the meeting, I actually think it is prudent. We don't know if we are going to have black outs, fire, tidal waves or terrorists attack what ever.

I think what is happening with in the organization is what we should be looking at.

I think the important thing is to use this time we have wisely, we don't know when the end will come, but we do know we are in the time of the end. Keeping awake in expectation of our Lord Jesus. Time to continue to grow closer to Jehovah, and build our faith and look up.:)

[arimatthewdavies]

im going to jump on this one to juciy to neglect muahahaaaa brothers/siters who is our god? why on earth does anyone care about surviveing the tough times,fear not those who kill the body but can not destroy your soul[your protected by jehovah in his hands] you are expected to be the becons in the storm. go bags indeed! the preaching work is not comeing to an end! you are the preaching work. you have practiced along time with paper and books and magizines. soon it will be time to show what you know.it will be time to either live in jehovahs sevice or die in it .please when things get tough no mater were your at or whats happening remember who your god is call on his name..i hope everyone of you stay faithfull,jehovahs blessing to you

[shikinah]

I'm going to jump on this one to juicy to neglect muahahaaaa brothers/sisters who is our god? why on earth does anyone care about surviving the tough times,fear not those who kill the body but can not destroy your soul[your protected by Jehovah in his hands] you are expected to be the beacons in the storm. go bags indeed! the preaching work is not coming to an end! you are the preaching work. you have practiced along time with paper and books and magazines. soon it will be time to show what you know.it will be time to either live in jehovah's service or die in it .please when things get tough no mater were your at or whats happening remember who your god is call on his name..i hope everyone of you stay faithful,jehovah's blessing to you

What you said is true, but someone mentioned something to me to night, and they said during the holocaust everyone must have thought Armageddon was coming, then it blew over and carried on and life got better years after that event took place. Imagine those poor witnesses in those camps how they must have felt, every day feeling that they were in the great tribulation, that Armageddon was coming and they would escape unharmed but thousands died. He said what if this next even is like the last one, and for a moment i actually went cold. But we actually see the signs of religion not being tolerated, but true faith is going to be the only thing to carry us through the wicked days which will be worse than whats ever come upon this earth:mellow:

[panda]

Remember Jehovah drags Satan by hooks. (Ez 38:4) Gog of Magog.

Jehovah has a time, and it will be sudden (1Thess 5:3 Matt 24:29 42-44)

Now is the time to strengthen ourselves and keep our mind on the bigger picture, we need to focus on the preaching of Gods Kingdom and the message of hope of Christ. We can do this as we are on this forum, and informally, we don't have to be at the KH if we can't we can still pray to Jehovah for his holy spirit to help us talk to others about Christ and his sacrifice, the kingdom hope, and the coming of Gods day. (Hab 2:3 Matt 28: 18,20 Psalms 37:9-11, 29, 34)

B/s no matter how far off the GT is the days are cut short, it is what Jehovah wants us to do, we have the privilege of working along with the angels and being his children to preach about our wonderful heavenly father and the future he has for all those that love righteousness. (Matt 24:22, 36-39)

[truthseeker]

im going to jump on this one to juciy to neglect muahahaaaa brothers/siters who is our god? why on earth does anyone care about surviveing the tough times,fear not those who kill the body but can not destroy your soul[your protected by jehovah in his hands] you are expected to be the becons in the storm. go bags indeed! the preaching work is not comeing to an end! you are the preaching work. you have practiced along time with paper and books and magizines. soon it will be time to show what you know.it will be time to either live in jehovahs sevice or die in it .please when things get tough no mater were your at or whats happening remember who your god is call on his name..i hope everyone of you stay faithfull,jehovahs blessing to you

You do have a way of puting things Ari:ban_dance01::boks::ban_dance02::y::hot:

Love truthseeker