Elder charged with murder

[James]

http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/breaking-news%e2%80%94southern-california-elder-faces-life-in-murder-charge/


An elder at a local Jehovah Witness congregation told police he was alarmed when he pulled into the garage of his Murrieta home and spotted two doors ajar.
Moments later, he found his wife, Isabelle, dead in the entryway to their bedroom, Kelle Lee Jarka told Murrieta police in a videotaped interview....



Isabelle Jarka, 40, was bludgeoned in the head 11 times with an unidentified blunt object. The couple’s infant son was only feet away in his basinet.




Kelle Jarka stood to gain $1 million from the three life insurance policies taken out on his wife in the weeks before she was savagely beaten to death inside her bedroom, according to police testimony earlier in the trial.

[shikinah]

Whats new read a similar story watchman put up the other day, as i said before, "where is the love?":(

[imjustaskin]

Gosh, I hate it when this happens. Everytime I read some horrid story, I think "I sure hope he wasn't a JW!"

We know these things happen in all religions, but it just brings so much reproach on Jehovah's name.

[SWORDOFJAH]

Gosh, I hate it when this happens. Everytime I read some horrid story, I think "I sure hope he wasn't a JW!"

We know these things happen in all religions, but it just brings so much reproach on Jehovah's name.

True. But for this bad apple we cannot say that the entire worldwide body of elders are bad or incline to do horrible things. The man law will judge him. As for Jehovah's he will have to answer also.

[shikinah]

True. But for this bad apple we cannot say that the entire worldwide body of elders are bad or incline to do horrible things. The man law will judge him. As for Jehovah's he will have to answer also.

The difference is we proclaim to have the truth, how does an elder become so obsessed by money, when he go's to meetings and attends to the flock. He is looked to as a person who sets examples. This man had a baby as well. Satan must enter into the heart, makes you wonder if his heart was like this before being appointed:confused:

[truthseeker]

I thought elders were appointed by Holy Spirit?:mellow:

[SWORDOFJAH]

I thought elders were appointed by Holy Spirit?:mellow:

And??? Do you know that the Bible tells about men that had Jehovah's spirit once and then they failed to live according to it??? Do you want some examples??? Or because elders have the qualities at one time that make them perfect without the capacity to sin and do wrong??? What about satan a perfect creature??? And what about Adam and Eve???? Perfect and yet failed??? Can we blamed the entire human race beacuse of their failure???? My friend each of one of us is responsible before Jehovah. If an elder failed,what about the thosands that are loyal and doing good in the congregations??? Do you want me to tell you good experience about the loving ones???

[shikinah]

I thought elders were appointed by Holy Spirit?:mellow:

I dont think that's the case, i remember an overseer once stating at our congregation that there was no holy spirit there.:mellow: well i wasn't surprised.
What about the spy who worked his way up from ministerial servant, elder, etc to eventually district overseer, then handed over the names and addresses to the gestapo, did the holy spirit choose him:confused:

[James]

I thought elders were appointed by Holy Spirit?:mellow:

Wasn't Judas appointed by the main man - Jesus?

(Mark 3:16-19) 16 And the [group of] twelve that he formed were Simon, to whom he also gave the surname Peter, 17 and James the [son] of Zeb′e·dee and John the brother of James (he also gave these the surname Bo·a·ner′ges, which means Sons of Thunder), 18 and Andrew and Philip and Bar·thol′o·mew and Matthew and Thomas and James the [son] of Al·phae′us and Thad·dae′us and Simon the Ca·na·nae′an 19 and Judas Is·car′i·ot, who later betrayed him.. . .


agape brother,
James

[truthseeker]

I thought elders were appointed by Holy Spirit?:mellow:

I know I was being facetious! Everything we here or learn needs to taken with a grain of salt. Or not necessarily taken literal.
Saul was chosen by Jehovah and could have had the seed passed through his loins culminating in Jesus our savior. But look what happened to him!
Thats why Jehovah purpose things and does not have ridged plans like man does. Jehovah is very flexible particularly dealing with imperfect creatures.

[James]

I know I was being facetious! Everything we here or learn needs to taken with a grain of salt. Or not necessarily taken literal.
Saul was chosen by Jehovah and could have had the seed passed through his loins culminating in Jesus our savior. But look what happened to him!
Thats why Jehovah purpose things and does not have ridged plans like man does. Jehovah is very flexible particularly dealing with imperfect creatures.


Seriously, doesn't it all flow downhill? The GB are anointed by HS and THEY decide who shall be the shepherds of the flock.:confused:


James

[Jinnvisible]

Anyone with the intent on blogeoning someone, usually would strike at the victims head.

Seems likely that the victim would have lost consciousness very quickly and perhaps not suffered greatly.

The investigators and prosecutors will probably be pushing the verdict as hard as possible even if they are carefull. Due to the fact that if the man is freed he will likely remain the infants guardian also, which will concern them.

[TheMdC]

Not many of YOU should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment. ~James 3:1

[truthseeker]

Seriously, doesn't it all flow downhill? The GB are anointed by HS and THEY decide who shall be the shepherds of the flock.:confused:


James

Certainly that is a fact!
They say the criteria is spiritually based - Titus 1:5-9
5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might correct the things that were defective and might make appointments of older men in city after city, as I gave you orders; 6 if there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children that were not under a charge of debauchery nor unruly. 7 For an overseer must be free from accusation as God’s steward, not self-willed, not prone to wrath, not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, not greedy of dishonest gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of goodness, sound in mind, righteous, loyal, self-controlled, 9 holding firmly to the faithful word as respects his [art of] teaching, that he may be able both to exhort by the teaching that is healthful and to reprove those who contradict.

But we all know there are other qualifications - according to the Slave Class - How many hours do they report each month and is it consistent. Are they submissive to the main elders and by extension to the Salve Class. Are they well liked by the congregation (or are they good men pleasers) i suppose their's others in the secret elders manual;)
truthseeker

[FutureMan]

And??? Do you know that the Bible tells about men that had Jehovah's spirit once and then they failed to live according to it??? Do you want some examples??? Or because elders have the qualities at one time that make them perfect without the capacity to sin and do wrong??? What about satan a perfect creature??? And what about Adam and Eve???? Perfect and yet failed??? Can we blamed the entire human race beacuse of their failure???? My friend each of one of us is responsible before Jehovah. If an elder failed,what about the thosands that are loyal and doing good in the congregations??? Do you want me to tell you good experience about the loving ones???

I new an Elder who was appointed to his position while he was still in an unrepentant situation for wrongdoing that was ongoing. It was only revealed in his committee meeting, what went on in his past before he was appointed as an elder and after he was appointed.

I'm sure that there are many more examples of ones who have been appointed as an elder when they had not sorted out their previous gross sins with the elders of congregation.

The question of course would be, would the Holy Spirit appoint these ones as elders in the Christian congregation?

And the answer would be, of course not!

[arimatthewdavies]

its very sad indeed to hear these things.im just sorry it was an elder,satan will surely exploit this all that he can.

[SWORDOFJAH]

*** w92 2/1 p. 16 par. 11 ‘In the Name of the Holy Spirit’ ***
Paul, when addressing the elders of Ephesus, introduced another activity of holy spirit when he said: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son." (Acts 20:28) Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)

It is important to understand this. Why??? Because elders can be delete if they don't meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. Certainly this have happened in the arly congragtions and at the present time.

[shikinah]

Are you saying ALL elders and overseers?
Please could you explain to me, how during the war spies came into the organisation and started off having bible studies, become elders, overseers and one in particular a district overseer, then handed over all the names and addresses of congregation members so as to have them imprisoned and killed. This certain district overseer was a spy from the moment he started having a study. Did the Holy Spirit appoint him? I'm a little confused:confused:

Shikinah

[SWORDOFJAH]

Do you understand how the holy spirit appointed elders??? Here again my friend Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)

No what is your understanding???

Regarding spies they did not prevailed. JW'S are worldwide. Even in countries were they were persecuted. Those enemies are dead or gone,while JW'S are strong and praising Jehovah and his appointed king Jesus.

[shikinah]

Do you understand how the holy spirit appointed elders??? Here again my friend Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)

No what is your understanding???

Regarding spies they did not prevailed. JW'S are worldwide. Even in countries were they were persecuted. Those enemies are dead or gone,while JW'S are strong and praising Jehovah and his appointed king Jesus.

When i first came in to the truth, i was told that "The Holy Spirit" cannot associate or go near anything unholy.
If these spies are evil men with evil intent how could the Holy Spirit appoint them? Is it not possible for the Holy Spirit to withdraw at such a point and men within the organisation make their own decision on who qualifies? I know the organisation survived and is still going strong, but millions lost their lives due to a spirit appointed overseer.

[SWORDOFJAH]

You are talking like if the holy spirit is a person. JW'S don't believe such.

Again read carefully.Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)
Regarding spies they did not prevailed. JW'S are worldwide. Even in countries were they were persecuted. Those enemies are dead or gone,while JW'S are strong and praising Jehovah and his appointed king Jesus.

Paz.

[FutureMan]

Do you understand how the holy spirit appointed elders??? Here again my friend Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)

No what is your understanding???

Regarding spies they did not prevailed. JW'S are worldwide. Even in countries were they were persecuted. Those enemies are dead or gone,while JW'S are strong and praising Jehovah and his appointed king Jesus.

Honestly SWORDOFJAH, sometimes in these discussions, I feel like I'm on a merry go round in that I'm going round and around, but I can not get of.

There is plenty of evidence where the elders were not appointed as by the qualifications laid down in the scriptures, that is a fact, so therefore by your own statement these ones could not have been appointed by Holy Spirit in the first place.

[Nightflyer]

I know how the brothers are appointed because I have been there myself. The BOE usually has a meeting before the CO's visit and one of the things discussed is that are there any brothers who could be recommended as an elder or a ministerial servant.

What is usually the first step? Taking a look at the publisher cards and seeing the average of hours spent in the field service. If some brother (who is currently not an elder or a ms) has about 10 hours or more, then other things about him (the real biblical qualifications) will be considered. But if he has like 5 hours or so - end of discussion. No matter how good example he could be in the matters that really count, if not enough hours, no recommendation, no appointment. This is the way it goes.

Though any amount of hours spent in the field service is not mentioned in the Bible, somehow its still a crucial factor when the appointments are considered.

(As a side note: if any of the current elders/ms's have less than about 10 hours, they are usually not deleted from the position... :confused:)

[shikinah]

You are talking like if the holy spirit is a person. JW'S don't believe such.

Again read carefully.Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)
Regarding spies they did not prevailed. JW'S are worldwide. Even in countries were they were persecuted. Those enemies are dead or gone,while JW'S are strong and praising Jehovah and his appointed king Jesus.

Paz.

This is the second morning i have come on this board being accused as being a trinitarian, do i believe the Holy Spirit is a person? :rofl: NO
the Holy Spirit is Gods active force:)
There's a scripture which states Jehovah NEVER tests anyone with "evil", if a communist spy was appointed by Gods Holy Spirit, then Jehovah chose an evil overseer to test his own people, which i personally think is blasphemous. I can appreciate Jehovah's Holy Spirit being withdrawn when wickedness or evil is presented and Jehovah allowing his people to be tested, this is a completely different thought, but if i know Jehovah he reads the heart, or doesn't this meet the criteria?

Shikinah

[Jinnvisible]

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w92 2/1 p. 16 par. 11 ‘In the Name of the Holy Spirit’ ***

Paul, when addressing the elders of Ephesus, introduced another activity of holy spirit when he said: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son." (Acts 20:28) Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-9)

Actualy this seems to be a bit of an ongoing theme. It is slightly different to be guided by the spirit inspired word of God in contrast to being directly influenced by God's spirit.

One might lead to the other yet they are not exactly them thing. If they were it would be possible to read the bible and suggest that God had spoken to you.

I think we see this distinction blurring alot in the term `God's spirit directed organisation` which is a way of capatalising on this as being indistinct.




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w92 2/1 p. 16 par. 11 ‘In the Name of the Holy Spirit’ ***

Paul, when addressing the elders of Ephesus,

Its interesting that this refferences Ephesus. Although before the fact, it was where Timothy was assigned by Paul, to the Ephesians. Especially to overlook the appointment of overseers. Timothy is also considred (by Paul) to have had a special purpose set for him from the heavens.

The book of Acts is the period where holy spirit was highly active among men and obviously the book of Acts was written to record that particular timeframe.

Hence taking a scripture from acts that relates to the apointment of elders by Holy spirit and applying it to our time period in a genaralisation seems rather lacking in distinction.

Its an important distinction to make because you can end up attributing to God the things that men have done.

Its simply not true that all elders today are appointed by holy spirit. Most are appointed by men under the direction of God's word. Then these are described as `spirit directed appointments` due to the fact that bible counsel has been followed and because describing it thus raises the prestige of the organisation. However it falsely gives the impression that Jehovah personally approved every appointment which is far too large a blurring of distinction for some to feel truthfull about and remain comfortable with.

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
Responsibilities and Qualifications. After Paul’s release from prison, Timothy again shared with the apostle in the ministry, remaining in Ephesus at his direction. (1Ti 1:1-3) At this time (c. 61-64 C.E.) Timothy may have been in his 30’s and had authority in the appointment of overseers and ministerial servants in the congregation. (1Ti 5:22)

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
It may have been at this time that, as a result of the operation of God’s spirit, certain prophecies or predictions were voiced concerning Timothy. After the holy spirit had in this way indicated the future of Timothy, the older men of the congregation joined the apostle Paul in laying their hands upon Timothy, thereby setting him apart for a particular service in connection with the Christian congregation.

[Eyes & Ears]

Actualy this seems to be a bit of an ongoing theme. It is slightly different to be guided by the spirit inspired word of God in contrast to being directly influenced by God's spirit.

One might lead to the other yet they are not exactly them thing. If they were it would be possible to read the bible and suggest that God had spoken to you.

I think we see this distinction blurring alot in the term `God's spirit directed organisation` which is a way of capatalising on this as being indistinct.


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Its interesting that this refferences Ephesus. Although before the fact, it was where Timothy was assigned by Paul, to the Ephesians. Especially to overlook the appointment of overseers. Timothy is also considred (by Paul) to have had a special purpose set for him from the heavens.

The book of Acts is the period where holy spirit was highly active among men and obviously the book of Acts was written to record that particular timeframe.

Hence taking a scripture from acts that relates to the apointment of elders by Holy spirit and applying it to our time period in a genaralisation seems rather lacking in distinction.

Its an important distinction to make because you can end up attributing to God the things that men have done.

Its simply not true that all elders today are appointed by holy spirit. Most are appointed by men under the direction of God's word. Then these are described as `spirit directed appointments` due to the fact that bible counsel has been followed and because describing it thus raises the prestige of the organisation. However it falsely gives the impression that Jehovah personally approved every appointment which is far too large a blurring of distinction for some to feel truthfull about and remain comfortable with.

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
Responsibilities and Qualifications. After Paul’s release from prison, Timothy again shared with the apostle in the ministry, remaining in Ephesus at his direction. (1Ti 1:1-3) At this time (c. 61-64 C.E.) Timothy may have been in his 30’s and had authority in the appointment of overseers and ministerial servants in the congregation. (1Ti 5:22)

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
It may have been at this time that, as a result of the operation of God’s spirit, certain prophecies or predictions were voiced concerning Timothy. After the holy spirit had in this way indicated the future of Timothy, the older men of the congregation joined the apostle Paul in laying their hands upon Timothy, thereby setting him apart for a particular service in connection with the Christian congregation.


Thanks again Jinnster for your thoughts and the scriptures you posted.

What you said here, helped me to put my thoughts
together. Once again I am thankful for this board and the way we can express ourselves here. It sure helps to be able to talk about such subjects the way we do here.

This was especially helpful to me Jinnster.



"Its simply not true that all elders today are appointed by holy spirit. Most are appointed by men under the direction of God's word. Then these are described as `spirit directed appointments` due to the fact that bible counsel has been followed and because describing it thus raises the prestige of the organisation. However it falsely gives the impression that Jehovah personally approved every appointment which is far too large a blurring of distinction for some to feel truthfull about and remain comfortable with."


E & E

[shikinah]

Actualy this seems to be a bit of an ongoing theme. It is slightly different to be guided by the spirit inspired word of God in contrast to being directly influenced by God's spirit.

One might lead to the other yet they are not exactly them thing. If they were it would be possible to read the bible and suggest that God had spoken to you.

I think we see this distinction blurring alot in the term `God's spirit directed organisation` which is a way of capatalising on this as being indistinct.


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Its interesting that this refferences Ephesus. Although before the fact, it was where Timothy was assigned by Paul, to the Ephesians. Especially to overlook the appointment of overseers. Timothy is also considred (by Paul) to have had a special purpose set for him from the heavens.

The book of Acts is the period where holy spirit was highly active among men and obviously the book of Acts was written to record that particular timeframe.

Hence taking a scripture from acts that relates to the apointment of elders by Holy spirit and applying it to our time period in a genaralisation seems rather lacking in distinction.

Its an important distinction to make because you can end up attributing to God the things that men have done.

Its simply not true that all elders today are appointed by holy spirit. Most are appointed by men under the direction of God's word. Then these are described as `spirit directed appointments` due to the fact that bible counsel has been followed and because describing it thus raises the prestige of the organisation. However it falsely gives the impression that Jehovah personally approved every appointment which is far too large a blurring of distinction for some to feel truthfull about and remain comfortable with.

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
Responsibilities and Qualifications. After Paul’s release from prison, Timothy again shared with the apostle in the ministry, remaining in Ephesus at his direction. (1Ti 1:1-3) At this time (c. 61-64 C.E.) Timothy may have been in his 30’s and had authority in the appointment of overseers and ministerial servants in the congregation. (1Ti 5:22)

*** it-2 p. 1105 Timothy ***
It may have been at this time that, as a result of the operation of God’s spirit, certain prophecies or predictions were voiced concerning Timothy. After the holy spirit had in this way indicated the future of Timothy, the older men of the congregation joined the apostle Paul in laying their hands upon Timothy, thereby setting him apart for a particular service in connection with the Christian congregation.

Thank you Jinnvisible,
now this makes sense to me, I can see how easily it would be to confuse the two differences, but you explained it precisely.

Shikinah

[truthseeker]

Hi All
I seam to have forgot how to start a thread?:confused:
Any one - Any one:)

[shikinah]

Hi All
I seam to have forgot how to start a thread?:confused:
Any one - Any one:)

Go to the top of the page, click forums. Then scroll down to general discussions and click on there, when it opens at the top of the page it should say new thread:)

Don't know if there's a shorter route:confused:

[TheMdC]

The confusion of the two principles is intentional. If the rank and file don't understand it, then they can be told what to think about certain arrangements (that they're done by Holy Spirit).

[shikinah]

The confusion of the two principles is intentional. If the rank and file don't understand it, then they can be told what to think about certain arrangements (that they're done by Holy Spirit).

I know its intentional lol, just thought i'd sweep over that part to cool the flames. Yes its very sneaky and misleading:(

[Utuna]

Dear all,

Do you remember what I said on another thread about good readers?

Please read:

"Yes, congregation overseers, or elders, are appointed by holy spirit. In what way? In that appointed elders must meet the qualifications outlined in the inspired Bible."

The sentence in black letters says that elders are appointed by Holy Spirit. When you meditate on the real meaning of that short sentence, what does it entail or imply? It means that Holy Spirit helps and guides prospective elders and that when it feels that a brother is ready, it directs events so that the said brother may be appointed as an elder.
The word "by", means the cause, the agent, the means, etc. Holy Spirit does the action.

The sentence in red letters says otherwise. Holy Spirit doesn't appoint anyone directly. It inspired the Bible in which are recorded qualifications that are required in order to be appointed as an elder. The prospective elder has no direct contact with Holy Spirit nor this latter has any direct control over the events leading to his appointment. The result of the direct influence of Holy Spirit in that instance is what's written in the Bible, not the whole process leading to the appointment.

Of course, if a prayer is done before proceeding to the appointment, Holy Spirit might guide more or less the appointment depending nevertheless strongly on the human factor involved (and how hearts let Holy Spirit guide their steps).

Here is an answer I posted recently to futureman. You'll see better therein the difference between the two colored sentences quoted above:

"I don't believe that elders are appointed by Holy Spirit. It's just the way they demonstrate the qualities of the fruitage of the spirit (or the fruitage of the light, Eph5:9) in their daily lives that makes them fit to serve in their congregations. God's Spirit helped them to have very nice qualities of heart and God's Spirit uses them in behalf of the congregation.

I do believe that anointed ones are appointed and directed by Holy Spirit, and all the more so that way that, in the first century CE, the lots cast were destined to choose the 12th apostle. It wasn't a trivial matter! "

In other words, Jehovah directly appoints anointed ones through His Spirit whereas the latter helps the prospective elders to be appointed as such by other men. Elders are not directed by Holy Spirit but are guided by the nice qualities they have acquired while cultivating the fruitage of the Spirit.

When a good reader reads carefully the text, he realizes that the question is not really in accordance with the answer. The text says that elders are appointed by Holy Spirit whereas the answer says that it is not really the case. If it's not really the case, why phrasing the question that way?

Dear Jinn, your post is great and mine is just another way to say the same things.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[Jinnvisible]

The confusion of the two principles is intentional. If the rank and file don't understand it, then they can be told what to think about certain arrangements (that they're done by Holy Spirit).

Absolutely.

Its pointless, the WT is an impressive resource and the association of witnesses are an impressive people.

No need at all to resort to tricky tongue.

[Jinnvisible]

Dear Jinn, your post is great and mine is just another way to say the same things.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Your english is probably better than mine anyway.

[James]

UPDATE: Jehovah’s Witness Man Convicted Of Murdering Wife For Life Insurance

http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/jehovahs-witness-man-convicted-of-murdering-wife-for-life-insurance/

She was bludgeoned in the couple’s bedroom in April 28.


So, he was not only greedy but, also very violent. How could someone carry all the responsibilities of an elder and cold-bloodily plot this out at the same time:confused::eek:

(Luke 11:34-35) . . .The lamp of the body is your eye. When your eye is simple, your whole body is also bright; but when it is wicked, your body is also dark. 35 Be alert, therefore. Perhaps the light that is in you is darkness. . .

[Utuna]

Dear all,

My post will be a bit off the topic of this thread but it is in the same vein.

Last May, here in France, a guy came to a police station in order to confess that he was the accomplice of a murder committed 34 years ago. He went out free of the police station because of the statute of limitations being over. The story was published in the media just three weeks ago.

When asked why he had decided to confess, he said that it was because of the remorse and also because of his new faith. That's the only things that were written in the media, nothing more.

Nevertheless, one week later, a TV report about that story revealed that that man was studying with the JWs. The reporters or the man interviewed never said anything expressly, excepted that a quick look by the camera on the table besides the man showed a black NWT Bible put conspicuously on it...

I'm sorry, I haven't found an English version of the links provided below:

(click here (http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/09/10/1690509_annemase-il-avoue-le-meurtre-34-ans-apres.html))

(click here (http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/faits-divers/0,,4749980,00-34-ans-apres-il-avoue-sa-participation-a-un-meurtre-.html))

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[James]

Hi, Utuna

That story is all too common. Many have done despicable deeds when they were 'part of the world' but, having been implanted with the seeds of truth, have turned aside from badness, which makes angels cry out in joy.

When one has known the truth and makes the conscious choice to return to badness, the angels must be crying in sorrow.

agape brother,
James

[Utuna]

Hi, Utuna

That story is all too common. Many have done despicable deeds when they were 'part of the world' but, having been implanted with the seeds of truth, have turned aside from badness, which makes angels cry out in joy.

When one has known the truth and makes the conscious choice to return to badness, the angels must be crying in sorrow.

agape brother,
James

Hi James,

I agree with you.

Jehovah's name is blasphemed because of such men (1Tim6:1b). As I had written in the shout box lately : "...but one sinner can destroy much that is good."

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton