Kingdom of Satan

[Steadfast]

Kingdom of Satan




Matthew 24:37-39 "But as the days of Noah, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

What could it be like just before Jesus returns?

Robert Muller heads up the World Core Curriculum program for the United Nations. This educational program for the world has been fully implemented into the educational systems of the world, and this educational system is changing the mindset of humanity.

Since we know that the United Nations is the foundation for the one world government – one world religion, it is important that we pay attention to Muller's ideas on the future of our planet:

"Robert Muller has been called "the philosopher of the United Nations and its prophet of hope." Having served the United Nations for 33 years, he has "performed diplomatic missions all over the world and today is Assistant Secretary-General in charge of coordinating the work of the 32 specialized agencies and world programs of the United Nations." Certainly one of the best informed men in the world, Muller is convinced that "there will be no third world war between the big powers," but instead he believes we are headed for a "new age, a new world…a New Genesis, a true global, God-abiding political, moral, and spiritual renaissance to make this planet at long last what it was always meant to be: the Planet of God." Though he claims to be a "good Catholic," his "God" is definitely not the personal God of the Bible, but an impersonal "basic cosmic force" residing within everyone and everything, "that impels us to respond to our evolutionary duties and …further *ascent [evolution into godhood]." His vision for a "new age" is shared by many other world leaders..." – Dave Hunt, Peace, Prosperity, & the Coming Holocaust, 1983, p. 12

This was stated over 25 years ago. Since that time, we have seen several up and down cycles in the world situation. These cycles are no doubt designed to bring the world to the brink of disaster, for the sole purpose to show men that a one-world government is necessary: To control politics; to control finance; to control religion. Through the mechanism of a one world government, one world bank/currency, one world religion, the planet will achieve the peace and security it has longed for.

We know from the study of the Bible that the True Kingdom under Jesus Christ takes full power over the earth just before the final battle of Armageddon, at the seventh trumpet mentioned in Revelation.

Muller said: "There will be no third world war between the big powers." So with all the talk of gloom and doom abounding everywhere, we should ask ourselves a question:

Why would Satan destroy the physical kingdom he has worked to create? The logical answer is: He wouldn't.

What he would do is change how things run. He will have his servants running the government/s, his servants controlling the money, and his servants directing the religion/s. The governments will be unified, the banking will be unified, and the religions will be unified into a one-world kingdom.

The only obstacle standing in Satan's way is the resister to this change. Remove the resister and the peace and security becomes a reality.

This may be the third world war instead of what we have been groomed to expect. This could be a spiritual world war.

Who are the resisters? The resisters would be those who reject Satan's kingdom to wait for the Kingdom of God with Jesus Christ as King.

This means war because these resisters won't change their allegiance.

If we look into the last book of the Bible, it could be seen as a "world holocaust," for that is exactly what it describes, but it really describes two:

1. Satan's war on the resisters to his kingdom. (Four Horsemen)
2. Jehovah's war on Satan's kingdom. (Trumpets and Plagues)

Since we know that Satan's kingdom rules first, and this is what Jesus Christ destroys at his physical return, we can find evidence of Satan's war first. It is described at the start of the four horsemen in Revelation 6.

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we have been taught that the horsemen already rode and that the first horseman is Jesus Christ, but the Bible shows that Jesus takes no action on this earth until he literally returns just prior to Armageddon. The False Messiah, however, who would also deceptively ride a white horse, is seen taking action at the first seal…long before Jesus returns.

What happens when this False Messiah appears? We see war, famine from lack of food, and death caused from that famine (Revelation 6). This False Messiah will be doing a destructive work that mimics the cleansing work Jesus Christ will do. Satan will give his mark to his kingdom supporters, and prevent those who resist his kingdom from buying and selling even the basic necessities of life.

Satan's work of destruction will be countered by the two witnesses, who are empowered by Jehovah to prophesy and inflict plagues. This work is done to fully expose Satan's kingdom and announce the eminent return of Jesus Christ. This work will be blessed in full measure, by bringing forth and gathering in, the great multitude of Revelation 7.

Satan will be furious and so will his subjects. The two witnesses will pay with their lives. Through the power of the resurrection, Jesus Christ shows the world who really has the power: The two witnesses stand upon their feet and strike terror into the onlookers:

Rev 11:11 "And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

I found it fascinating that in New Age theology teaching, their followers are terrified of the seventh seal of Revelation opening. Why? Because the opening of the seventh seal expresses Jehovah's rejection of their kingdom as he begins the process of its destruction.

At the opening of the first seal we read:

Revelation 6:1 – "I saw the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four cherubim saying in a voice as of thunder, 'Come and see.' And I looked and beheld a white horse, and he who sat on him had a bow, and a crown was given him; and he went forth conquering and to conquer."

Aleister Crowley, avowed Satanist, often referred to the antichrist in his writings as the "Crowned and Conquering Child…Lord of the Aeon."

Ozzie Osborne, a disciple of Crowley, did a rock song a few years ago with the following fascinating lyrics:

"Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic, with the thrill of it all,
You fooled the people with magic, Yeah, you waited on Satan's call.

Mr. Charming…

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse,
Oh, Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course.
Approaching a time that is classic, I hear the maidens call,
Approaching a time that is drastic, standing with their backs to the wall, yeah...

Some researchers believe the lyrics "standing with their backs to the wall" refers to those who are killed for refusing to worship the New Age universal christ.

The trumpets and plagues that follow the opening of the seventh seal serve the purpose of a last call to repentance; for mankind to separate from the spiritism and demonic practices that permeate Satan's kingdom, and accept Jesus Christ and their salvation.

So, Christians need to keep on the watch so they will not be deceived. Deceived by what? Deceived by the misleading peace and prosperity of Satan's kingdom and those who participate in it.

Love,

Steadfast


*brackets mine. – See the information contained on the following Christian website for a full explanation as to what this 'spiritual ascent' is, and how it is being accomplished:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/index.html

[arimatthewdavies]

welcome to the new improved kingdom of satan were freindley looking dragons lead the children in patriotic songs and such,were video,games, computers,cellphones,cool cars,stylish clothes,and yes fine dineing,and fast food,all for you! and what has that to do with the devil you ask? these conveinant devices all make life so much more right? of course they do! you see my goal is to make your life full and so enjoyable that you forget that you have to pay for all of it with money that you did hard honest work for,i also have many good upstanding civic clubs to improve your local comunity all kinds of free schools for your children and fine doctors if you get sick from working 13 hours a day yes please forgive me for the days when i acted so mean and dressed all scary,i was just being dumb,we cleaned out the pagan rituals instead come enjoy my clean christien churches with custom made services and doctorines all made for you comfort and conveinance,yes indeed im so sory to all of you for the past troubles!and i wil. prove it, come on in sit here on this big comfortabe couch, here is the remote for the 82 inch lcd high def tv let me get you some cold refreshments ive got a great game room for the kids,welcome again to the new improved kingdom of satan enjoy!.Dear brothers,and sisters the devil has made it painless and inocent to join satans kingdom, but ask yourself at the next spending of money, how much is leftover for jehovah now? the key word leftovers, i hope ive given you all something to think about.peace from jehovah to all

[sir_chan]

Steadfast,

Hi...as always I enjoy reading your posts.

The four horseman topic is one that many on here have their own beliefs for sure regarding who the rider symbolizes. I understand you already have your own opinion about the matter, but for the sake of discussion and better understanding, I would like to travel down that path again for a bit, and see what the possibilities are that the 1st horse and it's rider are none other than the final sealing of the holy ones and marks the beginning of the 1260 days.

There are many reasoning points pointing to the fact that the rider does indeed symbolize this group being chosen, and crowned for their future kingship in heaven.

One of the best that I can think of is the fact that before Jesus started his 3 1/2 year ministry he was anointed with holy spirit. At this point he was approved by God and received his symbolic crown.

(Matthew 3:17) Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

(James 1:12) . . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .
Thinking from this perspective and applying it to Rev 6:2 does fit.
(Revelation 6:2) And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
What are your thoughts on this? You can still believe it from your perspective, I am merely interested in looking for reasons why it couldn't be my perspective, which would add strength to yours if it can be shown that my way is not sound. Thanks and keep up the good writing...

[Steadfast]

Steadfast,

Hi...as always I enjoy reading your posts.

The four horseman topic is one that many on here have their own beliefs for sure regarding who the rider symbolizes. I understand you already have your own opinion about the matter, but for the sake of discussion and better understanding, I would like to travel down that path again for a bit, and see what the possibilities are that the 1st horse and it's rider are none other than the final sealing of the holy ones and marks the beginning of the 1260 days.

There are many reasoning points pointing to the fact that the rider does indeed symbolize this group being chosen, and crowned for their future kingship in heaven.

One of the best that I can think of is the fact that before Jesus started his 3 1/2 year ministry he was anointed with holy spirit. At this point he was approved by God and received his symbolic crown.

(Matthew 3:17) Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

(James 1:12) . . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .
Thinking from this perspective and applying it to Rev 6:2 does fit.
(Revelation 6:2) And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
What are your thoughts on this? You can still believe it from your perspective, I am merely interested in looking for reasons why it couldn't be my perspective, which would add strength to yours if it can be shown that my way is not sound. Thanks and keep up the good writing...

Dear Sir Chan,

It's always good to test what we believe; I'm doing that all the time.

Lot's of events take place when the seven seals open. It helped me to look at each seal and try to understand what is taking place at each one.

The first white horse rider comes on the world scene at the fourth seal.

The sealing of the 144,000 takes place at the sixth seal.

How would you reconcile these two different events?

Love,

Steadfast

[sir_chan]

Dear Sir Chan,

It's always good to test what we believe; I'm doing that all the time.

Lot's of events take place when the seven seals open. It helped me to look at each seal and try to understand what is taking place at each one.

The first white horse rider comes on the world scene at the fourth seal.

The sealing of the 144,000 takes place at the sixth seal.

How would you reconcile these two different events?

Love,

Steadfast

??????? Where are you coming up with a white horse at the 4th seal? A pale horse yes, but not a white horse. The first seal is definitely a white horse.

(Revelation 6:1-2) 6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice as of thunder: “Come!” 2 And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
Also, you say the sealing isn't until the 6th seal. The sixth seal is when the anointed are killed(stars of heaven fall to the earth) and instantly resurrected. This is the gathering, but the sealing would have to take place much sooner, in fact 3 1/2 years sooner to be precise.

I'm a bit confused by your response I suppose, so we should make sure we are talking about the same things before we continue.

[Anthony]

Earlier I was listening to U2 and October came on. I have heard this song countless times, but for some reason when I heard it this time, I had a thought with regards to a line in the song. I dismissed it but then a couple hours later I saw this thread for the first time and the thread name lead me to the same line of thought I was in, which leads me to this question; Is the kingdom against kingdom at Matt 24:7... (For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.) ... Jesus’ kingdom against Satan’s kingdom?

[Steadfast]

??????? Where are you coming up with a white horse at the 4th seal? A pale horse yes, but not a white horse. The first seal is definitely a white horse.
(Revelation 6:1-2) 6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice as of thunder: “Come!” 2 And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
Also, you say the sealing isn't until the 6th seal. The sixth seal is when the anointed are killed(stars of heaven fall to the earth) and instantly resurrected. This is the gathering, but the sealing would have to take place much sooner, in fact 3 1/2 years sooner to be precise.

I'm a bit confused by your response I suppose, so we should make sure we are talking about the same things before we continue.

Dear Sir Chan,

You are quite right. I apologize for the confusion. The white horse rider comes out at the first seal:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals. And I heard one of the four living creatures, like a sound of thunder, saying, Come and see.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse! And the one sitting on it had a bow. And a crown was given to him, and he went out overcoming, and that he might overcome.

But when the sixth seal opens:

Rev 6:12 And I saw when He opened the sixth seal. And behold, a great earthquake occurred. And the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair; and the moon became as blood;

And after it opens, then the 144,000 are sealed:

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed from every tribe of Israelites.

So, my question still remains: How do you reconcile the white horse rider at the first seal, and the sealing of the 144,000 at the sixth seal?

Again, I apologize for the confusion.

Love,

Steadfast

[Juan23]

Dear Sir Chan,
So, my question still remains: How do you reconcile the white horse rider at the first seal, and the sealing of the 144,000 at the sixth seal?


The anointed will under test in the interval from the opening of first seal to the opening of the sixth seal.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

1Jn 4:2 YOU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God,

1Jn 4:3 but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist's [inspired expression] which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.

Rev 2:10 Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of YOU into prison that YOU may be fully put to the test, and that YOU may have tribulation ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life.

[sir_chan]

Hi….
Ok, you are looking at it from a chronological point of view. That all the scriptures from Rev 6:1 to the last seal being opened at Rev 8:1 are a timeline and concurrent with each other. From that perspective I can see how you arrive at the conclusion that the 6th seal is the anointed being sealed since Rev 7:4 is stated after that.


If I am wrong in how I see your perspective please let me know so as to avoid confusion.
Here is another perspective and how I reconcile the 1st and 6th seals…


What I am presenting is that the 7th chapter of Revelation is a separate vision from John, not to be included in the sequence of seals being opened. By showing that the gathering occurs at the 6th seal, and not the sealing, I believe I can show that the 7th chapter is a separate vision. I will do my best to explain how the anointed are gathered up to heaven BEFORE you say they are sealed.


We know that the chosen ones must prophecy for 1260 days, and at the end of the 1260 days they will be killed by the eighth king, and then gathered up to Jesus during the last trumpet.
At the 6th seal opened it says:
(Revelation 6:12-13) . . .And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs.
Compare this to Matthew to see the similarities that tell us these are referring to the same event.
(Matthew 24:29-32) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken …… 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. 32 “Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point. . .
This is the gathering of the chosen ones. The earthquake mentioned in Rev 6:12 is not the tribulation being symbolically described, but rather is the final prophetic pattern set by the portent at Jesus death. The earth quaking, holy bodies being raised up, being seen by many people, and the people being afraid are portents of what is to occur also at the death of the chosen ones, at the end of the 1260 days. Jesus’ death had many portents associated with it that help us to indentify the pattern set for future fulfillment.
(Matthew 27:51-54) . . .and the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. 52 And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, 53 (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people. 54 But the army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
There is no doubt that this was a portent of the firstfruits, Jesus brothers, being raised up and gathered at the end of the 1260 days. And then at the resurrection of Jesus this occurs…
(Matthew 28:2-4) . . .And, notice! a great earthquake had taken place…
Other scriptures that lend credibility to this view can be found. Rev 11:11-13 describes the end of the 1260 days and the resurrection of the 2 witnesses. Notice the similarities between the holy ones being raised up after Jesus death at Mt 27 and the actual resurrection of the anointed.
(Revelation 11:11-13) . . .And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The gathering of the chosen ones can only occur after they are sealed and prophecy for 1260 days. By showing the relationship between Jesus death/resurrection, and the chosen ones death/resurrection we can see that the gathering takes place at the 6th seal, and would therefore be impossible for the chosen one to be sealed after that at Rev 7:4, thus showing it to be a separate vision from John.

Also, if they were sealed at the 6th seal, then they would still have the 1260 days to prophecy however this does not harmonize with what has been presented.


As mentioned in my first post above:



Jehovah approved his son (Mt 3:17) “Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved,” thus symbolically crowning him as King, (James 1:12) “. . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .” Jesus would not receive the actual crown until his death.


The chosen are also approved, and receive their crowns symbolically at Rev 6:4 and must maintain their faithfulness, just as Jesus had to, for 3 ½ years until their death. At this time they will receive their crown as well, when they are resurrected to heaven.


It is a perfect pattern…

[truthseeker]

Greetings Sir_chan
It is good to have you posting again!
Its always nice to have your intellect for a sounding board!
Hope all is well fellow poster.:)
truthseeker

[Steadfast]

Hi….
Ok, you are looking at it from a chronological point of view. That all the scriptures from Rev 6:1 to the last seal being opened at Rev 8:1 are a timeline and concurrent with each other. From that perspective I can see how you arrive at the conclusion that the 6th seal is the anointed being sealed since Rev 7:4 is stated after that.


If I am wrong in how I see your perspective please let me know so as to avoid confusion.
Here is another perspective and how I reconcile the 1st and 6th seals…


What I am presenting is that the 7th chapter of Revelation is a separate vision from John, not to be included in the sequence of seals being opened. By showing that the gathering occurs at the 6th seal, and not the sealing, I believe I can show that the 7th chapter is a separate vision. I will do my best to explain how the anointed are gathered up to heaven BEFORE you say they are sealed.


We know that the chosen ones must prophecy for 1260 days, and at the end of the 1260 days they will be killed by the eighth king, and then gathered up to Jesus during the last trumpet.
At the 6th seal opened it says:
(Revelation 6:12-13) . . .And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs.
Compare this to Matthew to see the similarities that tell us these are referring to the same event.
(Matthew 24:29-32) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken …… 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. 32 “Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point. . .
This is the gathering of the chosen ones. The earthquake mentioned in Rev 6:12 is not the tribulation being symbolically described, but rather is the final prophetic pattern set by the portent at Jesus death. The earth quaking, holy bodies being raised up, being seen by many people, and the people being afraid are portents of what is to occur also at the death of the chosen ones, at the end of the 1260 days. Jesus’ death had many portents associated with it that help us to indentify the pattern set for future fulfillment.
(Matthew 27:51-54) . . .and the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. 52 And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, 53 (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people. 54 But the army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
There is no doubt that this was a portent of the firstfruits, Jesus brothers, being raised up and gathered at the end of the 1260 days. And then at the resurrection of Jesus this occurs…
(Matthew 28:2-4) . . .And, notice! a great earthquake had taken place…
Other scriptures that lend credibility to this view can be found. Rev 11:11-13 describes the end of the 1260 days and the resurrection of the 2 witnesses. Notice the similarities between the holy ones being raised up after Jesus death at Mt 27 and the actual resurrection of the anointed.
(Revelation 11:11-13) . . .And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The gathering of the chosen ones can only occur after they are sealed and prophecy for 1260 days. By showing the relationship between Jesus death/resurrection, and the chosen ones death/resurrection we can see that the gathering takes place at the 6th seal, and would therefore be impossible for the chosen one to be sealed after that at Rev 7:4, thus showing it to be a separate vision from John.

Also, if they were sealed at the 6th seal, then they would still have the 1260 days to prophecy however this does not harmonize with what has been presented.


As mentioned in my first post above:



Jehovah approved his son (Mt 3:17) “Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved,” thus symbolically crowning him as King, (James 1:12) “. . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .” Jesus would not receive the actual crown until his death.


The chosen are also approved, and receive their crowns symbolically at Rev 6:4 and must maintain their faithfulness, just as Jesus had to, for 3 ½ years until their death. At this time they will receive their crown as well, when they are resurrected to heaven.


It is a perfect pattern…

You have some excellent reasoning Sir Chan.

What a lot of Christians miss is that all seven seals open before any trumpets start to blow:

Rev 8:1 And when He opened the seventh seal, a silence occurred in Heaven, about a half hour.

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stood before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels having the seven trumpets prepared themselves, that they might trumpet.

Rev 8:7 And the first angel trumpeted.

So all the seals open before anything tied with the trumpets or bowls takes place. Many confuse the sealing with the resurrection, but they are two different events that take place at the opposite ends of the tribulation.

Love,

Steadfast

[sir_chan]

So all the seals open before anything tied with the trumpets or bowls takes place. Many confuse the sealing with the resurrection, but they are two different events that take place at the opposite ends of the tribulation.


Yes, I would agree with you that the sealing takes place before the tribulation. The question is when do you think it occurs?

Is there any reason the rider of the white horse could not be the chosen ones being approved by Jehovah and being given their crowns?

The 2nd through the 4th seal are the tribulation.

The 5th seal shows us that Jesus brothers have already been sealed for it says (Re 6:9-11) “. . .And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves AND their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.”

The scripture identifies the ones speaking as their brothers. In order for this to be possible the chosen must have been approved and sealed by God prior to this, otherwise they wouldn't be called their brothers.

The 6th seal is the gathering of the chosen ones who are killed just as the 5th seal speaks of.

The 7th seal is a half hour of silence, perhaps in respect of the final holy ones being killed.


The 7th trumpet blast is the gathering of the chosen ones. This would mean that the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet are synonymous with each other.

[sir_chan]

Greetings Sir_chan
It is good to have you posting again!
Its always nice to have your intellect for a sounding board!
Hope all is well fellow poster.:)
truthseeker

Thank you...