liveing the truth

[arimatthewdavies]

this thread is dedicated to all that have seen the light!
first a little on the false side.from childhood many are taught that if they are good they get to go to heaven,or if they are bad they go to hell.
so were is the incentive to care for gods planet earth if its going to be destroyed by fire and no one will be here? its been taken away by the false hoods taught in the churches,no one cares cause their all going to fly away.
but what sets us christien worshipers of jehovah? we beleive in gods original purpose for man,we dont sit passivly waiting till jesus comes to take us away to fantasy land! we live each day with the hope and reality that jesus is comeing not to destroy but to restore,our children live knowing this earth is our home forever and jehovah is comeing to make it a wonderfull place again,we adults teach that people do not have to go off into oblivion but can instead start today showing by actions that they want life here on earth and makeing themselfs usefull to jehovah today as restorers of gods original purpose, his name, his way of peace,his way of rightousness,we seek out others with the wonderful news of the kingship of jesus and the restoration,of gods love and forgiveness, and also the humane end of unrepented wicked ones instead of unending horrible torture,when jehovahs purpose is made known to someone that person now has a realistic wholesome goal and the terrible lie of the torture god becomes known as what it is a satans lie made to make you fear your deliverer and keep people slaves to darkness and fear,the truth be known no one needs to perish and jehovah wants even the worst siner to just quit sining and start to serve jehovah,the awesome war of armagedon while foretold in the bible does not have to kill one single person,let the truth be known! there does not have to be great tribulations and plagues and death everyone can turn today now and receive mercy.ok im not gona hog the thread comments please!

[Molly]

Hi arimatthewsdaivies-

So you are dedicating this thread to those who have seen the light. What light have they seen? It seems that there aren't two people on this forum that see eye to eye. They don't agree with the WTS any more but they have each gone off to believe what they want.

So, what exactly is "the" truth? Jehovah's Witnesses make much of having "the truth," but in the end, they only have some tidbits of truth. Those are good, of course, but in the end their religion is one of worshipping idols and spiritual adultery. Catholics too, think they have "the truth." As do Lutherans and many other religions. Some just think any road is a good road as long as you are serving God. Question is, what does HE think? And on what basis does HE differentiate? Where does HE draw the line between someone that is worshipping him and one who is not? Of course, it is whether or not one is listening to the Father by means of the words of Jesus. Sadly, the vast majority of people cannot or will not do this. Take holidays for instance. We all know how hard it is for people to give up their holidays. Even though they know the pagan roots, it doesn't even come close to slowing down their determination to celebrate. Do they not consider that this would offend God? Apparently not. That reminds me of what the angel told Daniel at Daniel 12:10: "and no wicked ones at all will understand, but the ones having insight will understand." So, if we are wicked we will not even be able to understand and therefore, we won't grasp how off mark we are. The ones having insight will get it.

The question we have to ask is whether we see where that line in the sand is; or, whether we, in our blindness and ignorance, just think we get it but actually miss the mark. Where is the line drawn? What is it that will differentiate the one with insight from the wicked? Do you not think that God would want us to know and make it obvious to those who actually want to follow him?

Molly

Molly

[Anthony]

What light have they seen? It seems that there aren't two people on this forum that see eye to eye. They don't agree with the WTS any more but they have each gone off to believe what they want.

Molly


I like what you have said here Molly.

I often think about the fact that all this time is spent here posting thoughts upon thoughts, but what really is known or accomplished?

Robert has done an excellent job with his essays on showing that what the WTS applies to Christendom really is directed to them (that is if JW’s as a whole are what Jehovah considers his people). And also has shown that many things the WTS has said to have happen, have not and are still yet to occur.

But other than that what is really understood? All these threads and post and no one here has any more insight then the golden calf worshippers of the WTS.

Understanding that the WTS/Christendom are wrong on many things doesn’t mean that there is understanding to what is correct.

So who really are the ones the Jesus said he would be with until the conclusion of the system of things??????????????

As you put it; “So, what exactly is "the" truth????????????”

I realize that my thoughts may not be inline with your post, but I just used it as a stepping stone to express what I thought when I read it…

[Jeshurun]

Hmmm... the truth.... yes, it's true, no one here agrees on much. There are 40,000+ Christian denominations reading the same Bible and they don't agree on much either. But it must be there... Jesus said so...he said "keep seeking, keep knocking, keep asking, and it will be given to you".... so where is it?? :confused:

Me thinks it has to be EXPERIENCED.....:rolleyes:

Love,
Jesh

[TheMdC]

I feel like the inability of our online discussions to establish a large body of indisputable Bible-based facts could actually be beneficial to us individually.

Not knowing the details of the future outworking of Jehovah's purposes allows us to build our faith in ways that having it all spelled out for us would make impossible or at least very difficult.

For example, I don't know for sure whether the governments are going to destroy all religions except for JWs, whether they're going to destroy the JWs first and then the rest, or whether they're not going to destroy any of them at all and we totally misunderstand BtG, or perhaps something else entirely.

What I DO know is that we are directly commanded to love one another, and that everything else follows from that.

Would it be nice to know for sure whether Robert is correct in his prophetic interpretations as opposed to the WT? Of course. Is it integral to put faith in one version or the other? Not for me, it isn't. I lean towards Robert's view but I'm not going to complain if it turns out God's will is something different. I won't even be too put out in the unlikely event that the WT turns out to be correct. What not knowing for sure can do for me is allow me to focus on what I DO know:

Love one another.
Look after orphans and widows.
Do unto others what I would like them to do to me.

The other stuff is great for discussion's sake but not essential.

[Jeshurun]

What I DO know is that we are directly commanded to love one another, and that everything else follows from that.


Love one another.
Look after orphans and widows.
Do unto others what I would like them to do to me.

The other stuff is great for discussion's sake but not essential.

YOU NAILED IT!!

The first two commandments,

Love God,

Love your neighbor.

everything else follows from there naturally, the New/Old Covenant! (It never really changed)

Love,
Jesh

[arimatthewdavies]

i am truely suprised that you actully printed the truth here but asked me what it is.... first im not a w.b.t.s fan i am a wittness for jehovah and here is the truth .take notes this is life changeing!.

no man/ or women has the truth or is any closer to it then his fellowman,the ideas of men are not and can not be pleaseing to god.we are sinners all of us! we have no right or reason to say my idea is better..so we all get togeather with this in mind, and admit it to each other! we apologize to each other for our messes, then we all agree to run like heck toward jesus knowing amongst ourselves we are all sick and dieing we agree to put up with each other on the way and cast all we think we know away as we hurry away from our totaly worthless knowledge of our truths and gladley run to the onley one whos got any jesus christ!

[arimatthewdavies]

heres a little example..[householder] i beleive jesus died on the cross...[j.w.] i beleive jesus died on a torture stake because yada,yada,yada, now [worshiper of jehovah] i dont know what he died on but im sure glad hes back!
another example [householder] hey wana come to the easteregg hunt? j.w. no thats a pagan holiday.... now [worshiper of jehovah] sorry but im cooking a diner in honor of king jesus wana come? score j.w.s big fat zero score wittnesses for jehovah 2 lives won! want another? [householder] hey i hear j.w, beleive their the one true religeion! [j.w] yes because yada ,yada,yada, [worshiper of jehovah] heck no i beleive anyone who asks for god with all their heart has the true religeon! now how bout it brothers/sister wana fly like an eagle? or would you rather sit on the lookout tower?

[Anthony]

[QUOTE=arimatthewdavies;39994]heres a little example..[householder] i beleive jesus died on the cross...[j.w.] i beleive jesus died on a torture stake because yada,yada,yada, now [worshiper of jehovah] i dont know what he died on but im sure glad hes back! [Student of the Bible- an Idiot but a competent one] the cross was the torture stake.
another example [householder] hey wana come to the easteregg hunt? j.w. no thats a pagan holiday.... now [worshiper of jehovah] sorry but im cooking a diner in honor of king jesus wana come? [Student of the Bible- an Idiot but a competent one] No record to a dinner honoring Jesus on the day he rose. the score j.w.s big fat zero score wittnesses for jehovah 2 lives won! [Student of the Bible- an Idiot but a competent one] doesn’t keep score want another? [householder] hey i hear j.w, beleive their the one true religeion! [j.w] yes because yada ,yada,yada, [worshiper of jehovah] heck no i beleive anyone who asks for god with all their heart has the true religeon! [Student of the Bible- an Idiot but a competent one] Never tells anybody something by making the statement “I Believe”, but rather this is what is written in the Bible. now how bout it brothers/sister wana fly like an eagle? or would you rather sit on the lookout tower? Well giving the fact that we are told to Keep On the Watch, I’ll hang in the look out tower. It’s better that I do giving the fact that I can’t fly.QUOTE]

[arimatthewdavies]

thank you for your coments i specialy like the ones from those that understand exactly what i am talking about! yes their are a million beleifs here but i truely admire how so many here know how agree to disagree, yes the bible is the 100 % true standard[written map] let the man/women that can interprate it correctly lead the world from all its troubles! through the ages great kings and leaders of men claimed they knew the way the truth and the life but guess what? we are here, they are dead, and the cow plopy piles are deeper! nobody knows the truth!everyone pretends that they do, myself i have no problem admiting that! when i offer a post its because i know i can count on men/women to do the one thing i can be sure they will do fight!! and discuss! but advercity among christiens causes each member to become sharper and more polished unlike satanists who just like a the smell of blood! bros/sisters if you and me were run of the mill joes we would be sitting in the k.m. right now doing the text getting ready for field sevice! jehovah has selected people to be usefull beyond just sheep produceing wool! and the truth is being made known to the whole world through us! and others like us! if you are willing to obey jehovan and take the job. their are some that beleive its a sin to give their honest feedback ok dont do it then! eat grass and make wool,however but if you have a mouth and you know jehovah wants you to use it better do it. have a wonderful day everyone!

[Molly]

Hi arimatthewdavies-

I think that Jeshurn hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that we must keep on asking, keep on knocking, and keep on seeking. We can not be so cocksure about how accurate our understanding is at present that we assume that we have found "the" truth.

When we sat in the KH (before we were aware of what was really going one at the WTS) we were confident that we had "the truth," sometimes to the point of arrogance. Now we recognise that we needed to make some adjustments in order to please God. If we had been complaisant rather than eager to search further, we would find ourselves still sitting in the Hall in total ignorance of how our worship was no longer pleasing to Jehovah. Instead, we have separated ourselves at least in a spiritual sense, adjusting our thinking in accord with our new understanding. Having done that does not mean that our asking, seeking and knocking is over. It should be a constant ongoing effort as we approach the period of examination by Christ. Only by pleading with our Father for insight can we expect to be found acceptable at Christ's return.

Molly

[arimatthewdavies]

good morning molly and everyone ,i rarley do the it is writen thing but i would like to share my thoughts on hebrew vs2 has in these last days spoken to us by a son who he has apointed as heir of all things..talking about jesus of course, its pretty plain to me god speaks to us in these last days through his heir[jesus] i havent the slightest idea how anybody can take this scripture to mean in the last days god spoke to us through the organized lookout group! thats not what i see written their, i also do not see any scripture were jesus christ told the public to quit your job and become preachers, nor do i see one example were jesus went among the people useing a scroll or text as a teaching tool what is recorded is how he encouraged people to help each other with their physical needs thereby demonstrating their love for their fellowman. i dont know about the rest of everyone but i cant go preach to someone and just talk about jehovah! if ive got to tell someone about jesus that person most likley has a need that you minster unto,i work in a gas station.the pentacostle preacher brings me peanut brittle,the baptist preacher brings me work,the mormons offer to do chores for me,the black church ministers brings children to see me and tells them i am filled with the holy ghost ,every one of them comes to talk to me they all know im a j.w. ive even gone to one church and shared a basic gospel to preach that includes jesus as lord and savior,this church used to beleive that jehovahs wittnesses dont beleive in jesus as lord now they preach it! it escapes me why i get used by jehovah! i was a drug adict a smoker a non publisher at the k.m. yet when i started to ask for and seek jehovah i found a happy god that was happy to know me! not a god with a book of laws and a whiping stick! i encourage those that are happy with geting their food from a 3rd party to go right ahead! im going before jehovah before i join the feeding line because ive received more and been able to give more,with that kind of truth,its just plain human nature that if i hand some one a wheelboro of somethng that most people unload their share first and then hand out to freinds next thats truth to me. if you want jehovah you have to go to jehovah. that dosent mean im gona encourage anyone to rebel against the w.b.t.s and go form an apostacy cutting them down. it means i can make a choice in my heart if what im being offered is jehovahs will for me and if not then i ask jehovah what his will is for me to do and just keep quiet at the km

[Molly]

Hi arimatthewdavies-

The "lookout group," as you say, was good for the truthful tidbits it provided, but it has failed utterly to live up to God's commandment given to us by Christ. There are so many things they require that are no where in the scriptures. I find they have rendered themselves just another sect of Christendom. When the 4 horsemen ride, I believe that it is all of Christendom that will be attacked and JWs will find that far from being in an ark of salvation that they are attacked just like everyone else. When we were sitting in the KH we thought we had the truth and now we realize that it was a delusion. Only if we continue asking, seeking and knocking will we find what is acceptable to our God, which of course also will be pleasing to Christ. We don't ever want to delude ourselves again that we have done all we need to do to please God. That is why it says to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength. God is seriously unhappy with Christendom and we do not want to have God consider us as part of it when Christ arrives.

That being said, there is no reason not to help members of the denominations of Christendom to recognise the many ways in which they have displeased God. For instance, the holidays, or the trinity, or hell fire. Personally, I no longer accept Paul's teachings and encourage others to observe how his message differs and even contradicts Christ's. I don't necessarily expect anyone to agree with me, but that is my understanding.

As far as Jehovah being a happy God, of course he is as long as we are listening to His son and following his commandments. When we don't, we can't please him at all.

Molly