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Elihu
04-28-2007, 05:12 PM
this will take me some time please be patient

"his master will appoint him, over all his belongings" matt24 45-47

"you must not let people call you leaders-you have only one leader Christ! (matt 23 :10, the nt in mod eng.)
with these words jesus made it plain to his followers that no man on earth would be their leader. their one leader would be heavenly- jesus Christ himself. jesus holds this position by divine appointment.
Jehovah raised him up from the dead.....made him head over all things to the congregation which is his body" ephe 1:20-23

since christ is "head over all things" with regard to the christian congregation, he excercises his authority over all that takes place within the congregation. Nothing that occurs within the congregation escapes his notice. he closely observes the spiritual conditionof each group of christians or congregation
this is clearly apparent in the revelation given to the apostle john given at the end of the first century C.E to seven congregations, Jesus stated five times that he knew their deeds, their strong points, their weaknesess, and he gave counsel and encouragement accordingly(rev 2:2,9,13 19; 3:1,8,15)
There is every reason to believe that Christ was equally familiar with the spiritual condition of other congregations in Asia Minor, Palestine, Syria, babylonia,Greece, Italy, and elsewhere (Acts1:8)

What of today?

a faithful slave

After His resurrection and shortly before his ascension to his father in heaven, jesus told his disciples: "all authority has been give me in heaven and on earth" He also said " Look i am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things"(matt 28:18-20)

he would continue to be with themas their active head. in letters to christians in Ephesus and Colossae, the apostle paul likened the christian congregation to a "body" of which Christ is the head (eph 1:22,23; col 1:18)

the cambridge bible for schools and colleges states that this metaphor "suggests that not only vital union with the head, but that the will of the head is execised through the members.
They are his instruments"
whom has christ used as his collective instrument since being invested with Kingdom power in 1914 daniel 7:13,14

The prophecy of Malachi foretold that Jehovah "the true Lord", accompanied by his "messenger of the covenant", his newly enthroned Son, Christ Jesus, would come in judgement to inspect his "temple", or spiritual house of worship
"the appointed time for the judgement of the house of God to begin evidently arrived in 1918 (Malachi 3:1 1 Peter 4:17)

those claiming to represent God and his true worship on earth were duly examined. The churches of christendom, who for centuries had taught God - dishonoring doctrines and had been heavily involved in the massacre of WW1 were rejected
A faithful remnant of spirit annointed christians were tested, refined as with fire, and approved, becoming to jehovah" peole presenting a gift offering in righteousness"- Malachi 3:3

In line with malachi's prophecy, the composite sign that jesus gave his disciples to enable them to recognise the time of his "presence and of the conclusion of the system of things" included the identification of a collective "slave".
jesus stated " who really is the faithful and discrete slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slaveif his master on arriving finds him doing so. truly i say to you he will appoint him over all his belongings" matt 24:3,45-47

"on arriving" to inspect the " slave" in 1918, Christ found a spirit annionted remnant of faithful disciples who since 1879 has been using this journal and other bible based publications to provide spiritual "food at the proper time"
He acknowleged them as his collective instrument, or "slave" and in 1919 entrusted them with the management of all his earthly belongings.

managing christ earthly belongings

a few months before Jesus gave his prohecy on the sign of his presence, including the existance of a "slave" representing him on earth, he spoke of this slave in slightly different terms that shed light on the slaves responsibilities. Jesus stated " who really is the faithful steward, the discrete one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? I tell you truthfully, he will appoint him over all his belongings "luke 12:42,44

here the slave is called a steward, a word translated from greek term denoting " the manager of a household or estate"the collective steward would not simply be a group of intellectuals who explain interesting points from the Bible. In addition to providing nourishing spiritual food " at the proper time" " the faithful steward" would be appointed over the entire body of Christ's attendants and assigned to manage all of Christ's interests on earth "all his belongings" what would this entail?

the slave's responsibilities include the supervision of the material facilities used by Christ's followers to carry out their christian activities, such as the world headquarters and branch officves of jehovah's witnesses, as well as their places of worship- Kingdom hallsand assembly halls- throughout the world. More important, the slave also oversees spritually upbuilding programs of bible study art weekly meetings and periodic assemblies and conventions.
at these gatherings, information on the fulfillment of bible prohecies is dispensed, and timley direction on how to apply Bible principles in daily life is given. the steward's responsibilities also include the supervision of the all important work of prweaching " this good news of the kingdom" and "making disciples of people of all the nations"
This involves teaching peole to observe qll the things that Christ the head of the congregation, commands to be done during this time of the end.(mat 24:14; 28:19,20; rev 12:17)
The preaching and teaching work has produced " a great crowd" of loyal companions of the annointed remnant. these "desirable things of all the nations" are undoubtedly to be counted among the precious " belongings" of christ administered by the faithful slave.
rev 7:9; Haggai 2:7

a representative Governing Body

the faithful slave's heavy responsibilities would obviosly involve much decision making. In the early Christian congregation the apostles and elders in jerusalem acted in a representative way, making decisions for the entire christian congregation ( acts 15 1,2)
the decisions of this firsat century governing body were transmitted to the congregations by means of letters and travelling representatives. The early christians were happy to recieve this clear direction, and theur willing cooperation with the governing body promoted peace and unity - acts 15:22-31 16:4,5 ; Phil 2:2
As in early christian times, a small group of spirit annointed overseers make up the governing body of christ's followers on earth today. By means of his "right hand" of applied power, christ, the head of the congregation, directs these faithful men as they supervise the kingdom work (rev 1:16,20)
In his life story, Albert Schroeder, a longtime member of the governing body who recently finished his earthly course, wrote

" the governing body meets every wednesday, opening the meeting with prayer and asking for the direction of jehovah's spirit. A real effort is made to see that every matter that is handled and every decision that is made is in harmony with gods word The Bible"
we can have confidence in such faithful annointed christians. regarding tham in particular, we shopuld heed the apostles paul's injunction " be obedient toi those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping warch over your souls" - heb 13:17

showing due respect for the faithful slave

A fundamental reason for showing proper respect foir the faithful slave class is that by so doing, we are in fact showing respect for the master, jesus christ. Paul wrote of the annointed ones " he that was called when a freeman is a slave of Christ.
You were bought with a price" (1Cor 7:22,23; Eph6:6) Therefore when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its governing body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave's Master. Our showing due respect for the instrument Christ is using to manage his earthly belongings is one way in which we " openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the lord to the glory of God the Father" - Phil 2:11

Another scriptural reason for for showing respect for the faithful slave is that annointed christians on earth are figuratively spoken of as a " temple" that jehovah in habits " by spirit" as such they are "holy" ( 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-22) It is to this holy temple class that Jesus has entrusted his earthly belongings, which means that certain rights and responsibilities within the christian congregation belong exclusively to this collective slave.
For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and it's governing body. indeed the "other sheep" count it a ral privelidge to assist the slave class in caring for the Masters interests- John 10:16

Giving Loyal Support

The humble submission of the other sheep to the annointed members of spiritual Israel was foretold in the prophesy of isaiah:
" This is what jehovah has said " the unpaid labourers of egypt and the merchants of ethiopia and the sabeans, tall men, will themselves come over even to you , and yours they will become. behind you they will walk; in fetters they will come over, even to you they will bow down. To you they will pray, saying " Indeed God is in union with you, and there is no one else; there is no other God"" (Isaiah 45:14)


symbolically, the other sheep today walk behind the annointed slave class and its governing body, following their leadership. as "unpaid labourers" the other sheep willing expend their physical strength and their resources in support of the world wide preaching work that Christ assigned to his annointed followers on earth- acts 1;8; rev 12:17

The other sheep are happy and grateful to serve Jehovah under the oversight of the slave class and its governing body. they recognise the annointed as members of the "israel of God" (gal 6:16) As figurative "strangers" and "foreigners" associated with spiritual Israel, they joyfully serve as "farmers" and " vinedressers" under the direction of the annointed , the "priests of jehovah" and "ministers of God" (Isaiah 61:5,6)
They zealously share in preaching this good news of the kingdom and in making disciples of people of all the nations. They give wholehearted assistance to the slave class in shepherding and nurturing newly found sheeplike ones.

the other sheep recognise that they have greatly benefited from the diligent efforts of the faithful slave in supplying them with timely spiritual food. They humbly acknowledge that were it not for the the faithful and discreet slave, they would know little or nothing of precious bible truths, such as jehovahs sovereignty, the sanctification of His name, the kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth, the soul, the condition of the dead, and the true identity of Jehovah, his Son, and the Holy spirit. out of sheer gratitude and loyalty, the other sheep lovingly support christs annointed "brothers" on the earth during this time of the end.- matt 25:40

In view of their diminishing numbers, the annointed cannot be present in all congregations to ensure the management of Christ's belongings. consequently, the Governing Body appoints men from among the other sheep to positions of oversight in branch offices, districts, circuits, and congregations of Jehovah's witnesses.
Does our attitude towards these undershepherds have a bearing on our loyalty to Christ and his faithful slave? this will be considered in the following article.


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elihu

stayawake
04-29-2007, 04:18 AM
Dear elihu
Thank you so much
I know that was a effort to hand type that whole study,,but do know I for one
deeply appreciate your time spent here..
As for the study its self I am lost for words, seeing what they are being fed. I could just cry.
love stayawake

Jeshurun
04-29-2007, 05:10 AM
Make that two, I really appreciated it also, thank you Elihu.

All I can say is, WOW...what a dose of self-exalting propaganda. It sounds like they are very close to stepping into Jesus' sandals. After reading that last question of the article, I have no doubt where they are going with this.

I found it interesting how they even became tired of hearing their own trumpet and just shortened it up to just a good ole "slave".

Eeshk.

Elihu
04-29-2007, 06:24 AM
thank you Stayawake and Jeshurun,
i needed the typing practice, i can use two fingers now!

but seriously this is a fine article if it did not have glaring untruths and ommissions!

the initial one that i noticed is where they talk about Christ watching the congregation
" he closely observes the spiritual condition of each group of Christians"

they show evidence by means of the letters to the seven congregations, but amaziungly only apply the letters to the congregations of John's time......?

even though John specifically stated that " by inspiration i came to be in the Lord's day"

i wonder why? something to do with jezebel perhaps?

they continue " what of today?"

no jezebel influence mentioned let alone the existance of an evil slave, as watchman has shown from scripture does exist.

Elihu

Candace
04-29-2007, 09:20 AM
This reminds of the days when King Saul was still king and David's respectful attitude toward Saul. When I was new in the truth, it was hard to understand it. It took a few years to appreciate things from David and Jehovah's point of view.

In some ways, we face a challenge similar to David's.

stayawake
04-29-2007, 10:46 AM
WT Quote >The preaching and teaching work has produced " a great crowd" of loyal companions of the annointed remnant. these "desirable things of all the nations" are undoubtedly to be counted among the precious " belongings" of christ administered by the faithful slave.<quote

First of all this slave has NOT been Faithful.
Second ,Since when are Christ belongings the Great Crowd ? Undoubtedly be counted !they say,
here we go again more guessing.

WT study quote>
symbolically, the other sheep today walk behind the annointed slave class and its governing body, following their leadership. as "unpaid labourers" the other sheep willing expend their physical strength and their resources in support of the world wide preaching work that Christ assigned to his annointed followers on earth- acts 1;8; rev 12:17 <

There we have it. its not only Time,but its also "unpaid laboorers",not only their physical strenghth,but also THEIR RESOURSES. They admit that the work was assigned to them GB ,then why not use those millions, you have stashed away ?why make the brothers take out loans to build all the buildings that the WTBTS have and are going up. Yep the WT may provide the loans at a small interest, but why the interest ,when in reality it s the brothers very own money. Theres that Building FUnd Box in the back of the hall.

Then that still isnt enough, to keep the value of the property up, every 15-20 years another loan is taken out to reface the whole building inside again.
Take notice before a loan is requested a slip has to be filled out ( A PLedge ) as to how much each family can give to pay off that loan
THe reason for all this beauty they say is to Glorify Gods name.
We are not under the Mosaic Law anymore. Don&#39;t they realise God does not dwell in hand made Temples ?
Jesus said to take his yoke it was light

You can see whats coming.
This Summers DA is titled "Follow the Christ ". They are already being conditioned so being that the word &#39;ANNOINTED" means Christ, by the time the District Assembly is here , their minds will have already been conditioned to accept the GB as the CHRIST because they are all annointed.

What a TRAP, and to think Jan 2008, the door of all that food the GB is serving will be behind closed doors. Frightening
indeed.

Am I concerned ! you bet your life I am. I have a grandson and his family that are still loyal to a wrong cause.

Stayawake just could not rest tonight until I got up and posted this&#39;
love every one of you.

Molly
04-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Elihu-

Thank you for posting this article for us. As an incredibly slow typist myself, I can appreciate that effort that was required to get this all written down.

After reading the article, it is hard to know where to start. We all know that much of the information is chronological nonsense and therefore their conclusions just plain wrong, so I won&#39;t go there. What I would like to mention is the tone.

It is the verbiage that assumes something to be true and therefore if your view is not in sync with theirs then you aren&#39;t serving Jehovah properly. For instance, the article says: "The other sheep are happy and grateful to serve Jehovah under the oversight of the slave class and its governing body." Not only do they expect us to be in lockstep to their ideas, they are telling us even how we are expected to feel. It is a form of mind control. They allow no room for individuality.

Guess I just resent the manipulation.

Molly

Sketch
04-29-2007, 04:48 PM
This reminds of the days when King Saul was still king and David&#39;s respectful attitude toward Saul... In some ways, we face a challenge similar to David&#39;s.[/b]

That is a VERY good point Candace... How exactly are we supposed to view the WTS? We know David still "followed" Saul, but did he trust or respect him? obviously not when it came to spiritual issues... maybe the same way we see the governments today? we go along with it as long as it doesn&#39;t impinge on our worship... The problem is the WTS tries to BECOME our worship...

I see the WTS as having the truth - for the MOST part... however, i don&#39;t trust them worth a plum nickel... so its difficult to know exactly where I stand in regards to them... kinda like a rattle snake... I respect them... but give them their space... stay out of striking range... not sure if i should be pay attention to or be in fear of them... don&#39;t know how to do both effectively.

Jinnvisible
04-29-2007, 05:15 PM
Guess I just resent the manipulation.

Molly[/b]

How sad and distressing that the governing body seem to suffer the same modern affliction of low `self-esteem` that affect other `housewives` that need this kind of make-over in order to gain a boost.

Why? Why do they write like this ? How is it that Christ did nothing but hide his qualification and these ones do nothing but Expound, Exult, Exagerate and Expose thiers ?

E-watchtower.

It is good for self esteem, if only it was good to be esteemed by one`s self. At least they had the good humour to put it out in the April 1st edition a day traditionaly reserved by publishing houses for hoax articals.

Candace
04-29-2007, 05:57 PM
why make the brothers take out loans to build all the buildings that the WTBTS have and are going up. Yep the WT may provide the loans at a small interest, but why the interest ,when in reality it s the brothers very own money. Theres that Building FUnd Box in the back of the hall.[/b]

Why indeed? Isn&#39;t there a principle about usury they are forgetting?

*** w06 2/1 p. 9 Highlights From the Book of Nehemiah ***

5:7—In what sense did Nehemiah begin “finding fault with the nobles and the deputy rulers”? These men were exacting usury from their fellow Jews in violation of the Mosaic Law. (Leviticus 25:36; Deuteronomy 23:19) Moreover, the interest the lenders were demanding was high. If demanded monthly, “the hundredth” would be equivalent to 12 percent a year. (Nehemiah 5:11) It was cruel to impose this on people already heavily burdened with taxes and a food shortage. Nehemiah found fault with the rich in that, using God’s Law, he reproved and rebuked them and thus exposed their wrongdoing.*****

To charge interest is to make a business deal out of it. I realize we are no longer under the Mosaic Law, but I&#39;ve heard plenty of meeting parts that stated we should not be charging interest when loaning our brothers money for non-business ventures.

That&#39;s a good one.....donate money to the Society so we can borrow it back and pay interest on it. :huh:

stayawake
04-29-2007, 06:19 PM
[quote " Not only do they expect us to be in lockstep to their ideas, they are telling us even how we are expected to feel. It is a form of mind control.
They allow no dividuality. " Molly


Molly ,
I didn&#39;t notice that until I read your post.So I went over it again. I was really taken back at how every thing was , They, They, They, as if they weren&#39;t even present. It was like someone would be the spokes man for a group that would be deaf & dumb.
Next week if someone would be so loving as to put the WT Study on the board, we are going to hear just what our attitude should be. Oh my ,what next ??

love stayawake

Jeshurun
04-29-2007, 08:37 PM
That&#39;s a good one.....donate money to the Society so we can borrow it back and pay interest on it. :huh:[/b]

I thought this was a non-profit organization?

I just had this vision in my head of Jesus overturning tables and pouring out coins. I guess that will have a modern day fulfillment too.

They don&#39;t even realize the economic collapse that&#39;s coming. All this money and capital is going down the sewer in a nanosecond. Why not help the people instead?

I&#39;m sorry but she&#39;s acting more and more like Babylon the Great than any "faithful and discreet slave".

Candace
04-29-2007, 08:44 PM
<div class='quotemain'>That&#39;s a good one.....donate money to the Society so we can borrow it back and pay interest on it. :huh:[/b]

I thought this was a non-profit organization?

I just had this vision in my head of Jesus overturning tables and pouring out coins. I guess that will have a modern day fulfillment too.

They don&#39;t even realize the economic collapse that&#39;s coming. All this money and capital is going down the sewer in a nanosecond. Why not help the people instead?

I&#39;m sorry but she&#39;s acting more and more like Babylon the Great than any "faithful and discreet slave".
[/b][/quote]

I don&#39;t know how the law works in regards to non-profit organizations, but it sure is weird how they have turned the donations arrangement into a money-making business. I had no idea they loaned money to the congregations and charged them interest. I mean, I knew the cong&#39;s borrowed money, but always thought they were interest-free loans. How do they justify charging their brothers interest???? :(

stayawake
04-29-2007, 09:02 PM
Now keep in mind the interest was very low and the brothers were told how low it was
I had heard the approval letter sent to the BOE
who read that letter to the cong ,that we had been approved for the loan,
He added at how much we saved by not having to go else where for a loan.
But the thing is no matter how small the interest was, that money had already been collecting interest in their banks.
I am sure they don&#39;t put their donations under the mattress.

Kenneth
04-29-2007, 09:35 PM
<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">If my facts are correct and I think they are the Watchtower nets about a billion dollars each year and are listed as one of the top forty companies in New York.

Reader
04-30-2007, 02:07 PM
"the other sheep recognise that they have greatly benefited from the diligent efforts of the faithful slave in supplying them with timely spiritual food. They humbly acknowledge that were it not for the the faithful and discreet slave, they would know little or nothing of precious bible truths, such as jehovahs sovereignty, the sanctification of His name, the kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth, the soul, the condition of the dead, and the true identity of Jehovah, his Son, and the Holy spirit. out of sheer gratitude and loyalty, the other sheep lovingly support christs annointed "brothers" on the earth during this time of the end.- matt 25:40"

This is the most egregious example of hubris IMO. It is only through them that anybody would know the truth about Jehovah? Hogwash! How, then, did Moses know what he knew? Would not the stone cry out if they did not do thier task? So because they did what they ought to have done, Jehovah did not use rocks. (Luke 17:7-10) The attitude in this paragraph is similar to that of Moses&#39; at Mirabah. &#39;Look what I have done for you.&#39; Except what Moses did was out of frustration. This does not sound at all like that. More like &#39;send attention our way. We are ever so good too!&#39;

Just my opinion, though

Regards

Reader

stayawake
04-30-2007, 03:15 PM
Reader
My opinion also. Where are they Dscreet ?
Self glorification ,in a boastful form.
I dont mean to offend any one but isn&#39;t the head of the body Christ ?
Not only that but the body has MANY MEMBERS, why is it ,only a handful has the authority to even cut some of the body members off. .
Thats the reason they can not function properly, this small group were able to take over the head and the rest of the body.
Talk about the man of lawlessness !!

Shibboleth
04-30-2007, 03:38 PM
well if I am part of that body I feel like a big toe. I keep stubbing myself.

stayawake
04-30-2007, 04:54 PM
the other sheep lovingly support christs annointed "brothers" on the earth during this time of the end.- matt 25:40
[/quote]


Ok now we have it in print,
The paragraph brings out we the other sheep lovingly support Christs annointed brothers on the earth during this time of the end.
In Jahs eyes this would have to include watchman. Isnt he given us the proper food at the proper time, so tell me please these 11th hour workers who are on to the Truth about the Truth, why were they cut off from the body ? What right have a small number of annointed decide who belongs to the body.
Its Jah that adopes them, they have no decision in that calling.
How dare them !!

How devious can one become !!

Elihu
04-30-2007, 04:54 PM
" it is to this Holy Temple Class that Jesus has entrusted His earthly belongings, which means that certain rights and responsibilities within the Christian congregation belong exclusively to this collective slave"


" let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. he is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of the God, publically showing himself to be a god"

elihu

stayawake
04-30-2007, 09:49 PM
IMHO
Its not until Jesus arrieves( (he hasn&#39;t arrieve yet ) that the Temple of God gets inspected.
It is after the inspection
that the slave that is giving the spiritual food at the proper time
that is the collective slave that recieves all of Christ belongings .
It was Jesus himself that spoke these words.