I Got Mad, and I am Not Sorry

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
If you are like me, you may be feeling super-disgusted with the way man is treating man right now.
To make matters worse, the Two Witnesses are expected to raise more havoc.
So for the last 24 hours I have been a little upset with Jehovah
for not allowing the Two Witnesses to do good, instead of evil.

I prayed a lot, and started to study Rev. Chapter 11.
When I was reading about the signs the Two would work,
it came to me it was not talking about people.
The Two are not two, twenty, two hundred, or two thousand.
The Two are nations.

The Two are symbolized by two olive trees and two lampstands.
People are never symbolized by olive trees and lampstands,
but nations, or governments are (Rev. 11:4).
The Two are standing before the Lord of the earth (Rev. 11:4)- who is that?

"If anyone wants to harm them, fire issues forth from their mouths"
(911- Iraq-Afghanistan-Pakistan)
"authority to shut up heaven that no rain should fall"
(economic sanctions, embargo's)
"to strike the earth with every sort of plague"
(WHO-Obama pandemic- CDC)
This is their witness, and prophesy.
The Two- who are hated, are the US and Israel.

The only thing remaining in this prophesy to be complete is their death,
because they have finished their witnessing (Rev. 11:7).
The Wild Beast is coming to collect on a debt, it will rise up suddenly without warning.
The world will "rejoice" for a short period, but Jehovah will briefly restore their glory.
Then comes the earthquake, and the spirit, that I have spoken of.
Bill

[greymourning]

This is interesting, my only hang-up is why would in verse 12 "a loud voice out of heaven say to them: 'Come on up here.' And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and enemies beheld them."?

[steff]

Alo ha,
If you are like me, you may be feeling super-disgusted with the way man is treating man right now.
To make matters worse, the Two Witnesses are expected to raise more havoc.
So for the last 24 hours I have been a little upset with Jehovah
for not allowing the Two Witnesses to do good, instead of evil.

I prayed a lot, and started to study Rev. Chapter 11.
When I was reading about the signs the Two would work,
it came to me it was not talking about people.
The Two are not two, twenty, two hundred, or two thousand.
The Two are nations.

The Two are symbolized by two olive trees and two lampstands.
People are never symbolized by olive trees and lampstands,
but nations, or governments are (Rev. 11:4).
The Two are standing before the Lord of the earth (Rev. 11:4)- who is that?

"If anyone wants to harm them, fire issues forth from their mouths"
(911- Iraq-Afghanistan-Pakistan)
"authority to shut up heaven that no rain should fall"
(economic sanctions, embargo's)
"to strike the earth with every sort of plague"
(WHO-Obama pandemic- CDC)
This is their witness, and prophesy.
The Two- who are hated, are the US and Israel.

The only thing remaining in this prophesy to be complete is their death,
because they have finished their witnessing (Rev. 11:7).
The Wild Beast is coming to collect on a debt, it will rise up suddenly without warning.
The world will "rejoice" for a short period, but Jehovah will briefly restore their glory.
Then comes the earthquake, and the spirit, that I have spoken of.
Bill


Hello Bill,

I can't see that, though.
sorry

steff

[mrgalleria]

"I can't see that, though.
sorry"

Alo ha,
Let me help.
Take out a U.S. dollar bill and look at it- front and back.
Do you notice any type of plant? Look at what the eagle is holding, do you know what that is?
Look at the leaves and fruit on the front, do you know what that is?
How does this compare to the plant mentioned in Rev. Chapter 11:4?

Jeremiah 25: "..."even (sending) to Nebuchadrezzer the king of Babylon, my servant,...".
Jehovah calls Nebuchadrezzer His "servant".
2 Chronicles 36:23 ""This is what Cyrus the king of Persia has said
"All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah the God of the heavens has given me...".
Jehovah gives a commission to king Cyrus.

"...they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them". Rev. 11:12.
So then, we can also behold God, Jesus, and the angels? They are in heaven, right?
No, truthfully, they were in the visible heavens, don't you agree?
If not, then who is "the Lord of the earth? Rev. 11:4.

"...they have authority over the waters to turn them to blood..." Rev. 11:6
Just in Iraq alone, well over 1 million have been killed.

I will allow others here to add to the explanations, why and how this interpretation is true.

Amos 3:7 "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing
unless He has revealed His confidential matter to His servants the prophets".
Do you believe this, or do you think it is a lie?

[SlaveForJah]

Yawn.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[Jeshurun]

Bill, I think the Hawaiian sun is getting to you Brother....

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
I am so happy, I can barely contain myself,
Bill
PS. This prophesy is also in Zechariah Chapter 4,
about the Two anointed one's standing with the Lord of the earth..

[shikinah]

[QUOTE=mrgalleria;42446]Alo ha,
I am so happy, I can barely contain myself,
Bill
PS. This prophesy is also in Zechariah Chapter 4,
about the Two anointed one's standing with the Lord of the earth..[/QUOTE

Zechariah 4:14
Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
I came across this a couple of months ago, I was once told that scripture when read has past present and future meaning, is this possible with all scripture?

[shikinah]

[QUOTE=mrgalleria;42446]Alo ha,
I am so happy, I can barely contain myself,
Bill
PS. This prophesy is also in Zechariah Chapter 4,
about the Two anointed one's standing with the Lord of the earth..[/QUOTE

Zechariah 4:14
Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”
I came across this a couple of months ago, I was once told that scripture when read has past present and future meaning, is this possible with all scripture?

Also I find this scripture very strange

Revelation 11:7-8

7When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. 8And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

1)Which beast comes out of the Abyss? is this the one the Harlot rides on the back of, and if so how comes its in there?

2)If these are two nations, it wouldnt be possible to have them lie in a "street"

3)"their lord" who's lord? was Jesus crucified in a mystical place called sodom and Egypt?



Shikinah

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
"1)Which beast comes out of the Abyss?" Quote
I would have to think this is the leopard-bear-lion beast at Revelation Chapter 13:1-8.
I believe this beast represents government authority.
So it will be some governments that will have the part in killing the Two.
Russia is represented as a bear; some say England and/or Europe could be the Lion;
some say South Africa, China, or The Middle East, could represent the leopard.
All are excellent choices for killing Israel and the US.
Many are even anticipating these very actions, by these countries.

I only interpreted events which have already occurred, and no one finds it true.
I wonder, how can you ask for an interpretation of what has not occurred?
It is not without good reason Jehovah conceals the meaning of prophesy.

Jesus really was only believed because of His miracles.
His words were different from what the Jews taught and believed.
He told the truth, but powerful truth from God. It was for this He was killed, not for His miracles.
How you one's here are no so different.
You only believe Jesus now that He is dead, and His teaching is widely accepted.
But what if you were a Jew in Jesus day. I really doubt you would have listened to him.

Jehovah's truths in prophesy are to powerful for humans to consume,
that is the reason prophesy and meaning are not understood.
I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of.
I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful.
And Jehovah gives it to me so freely,
I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention.
Bill

[shikinah]

Alo ha,
"1)Which beast comes out of the Abyss?" Quote
I would have to think this is the leopard-bear-lion beast at Revelation Chapter 13:1-8.
I believe this beast represents government authority.
So it will be some governments that will have the part in killing the Two.
Russia is represented as a bear; some say England and/or Europe could be the Lion;
some say South Africa, China, or The Middle East, could represent the leopard.
All are excellent choices for killing Israel and the US.
Many are even anticipating these very actions, by these countries.

I only interpreted events which have already occurred, and no one finds it true.
I wonder, how can you ask for an interpretation of what has not occurred?
It is not without good reason Jehovah conceals the meaning of prophesy.

Jesus really was only believed because of His miracles.
His words were different from what the Jews taught and believed.
He told the truth, but powerful truth from God. It was for this He was killed, not for His miracles.
How you one's here are no so different.
You only believe Jesus now that He is dead, and His teaching is widely accepted.
But what if you were a Jew in Jesus day. I really doubt you would have listened to him.

Jehovah's truths in prophesy are to powerful for humans to consume,
that is the reason prophesy and meaning are not understood.
I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of.
I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful.
And Jehovah gives it to me so freely,
I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention.
Bill

Bill I hope you dont feel im putting you on the spot, im not expecting you to have all the answers to prophesy, my questions were to everyone on the board. Because sometimes I feel theres prophesies which are already understood by most on here, and im the only one left out in not understanding. Thats what those questions were about.

I totally agree with this statement


"Jesus really was only believed because of His miracles.
His words were different from what the Jews taught and believed.
He told the truth, but powerful truth from God. It was for this He was killed, not for His miracles.
How you one's here are no so different.
You only believe Jesus now that He is dead, and His teaching is widely accepted.
But what if you were a Jew in Jesus day. I really doubt you would have listened to him"

I would like to think, that because I am where I am today and have dug so deep for truth, that I wouldnt have been one of those who put him to death. "saying let his blood be upon our heads"

I often wonder how it will be when the two witnesses arrive, how they will be treated by the organisation:confused:

As Jesus said Matthew 25:37 Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, "Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40And the King will answer and say to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'

Thank you for the explanation of the beast which comes out of the abyss.




Shikinah

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Revelation 11:8-9
"And their corpses will be on the broad way
of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt,...
and those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses..." NWT

"And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city
which spiritually is called Sedom and Mitsrayim,... and some of the peoples
and tribes and tongues and nations see their dead bodies..." The Scriptures

"broad way", "street"?
Some of all peoples-tribes-tongues-nations will look/see?

Answer- The information superhighway or infobahn was a popular term used through the 1990s to refer to digital communication systems and the internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) telecommunications network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_network)
The internet is a superhighway/street/broad way- from which "some of the peoples/tribes/tongues/nations" can see the now dead Two Witnesses.

Great city? Almost 1/3 of the worlds population at some time goes on the internet.
Is it fair then to call the internet a great city? Is there a greater city?

Is the internet spiritually Sodom and Egypt?
Anybody?
Bill

[Anthony]

Ok Bill you know I use to be the first to call you out, but I have been holding back. You seem to be getting better (more sensible) in your post, but now you are right back at it. Being a fruitcake!!!

Answer this; (and don’t weasel your way around the answer, just answer the questions) If the Two Witnesses are given 3 ½ years, when did it begin? And by telling us that we will know when it ends! You said:The only thing remaining in this prophesy to be complete is their death, because they have finished their witnessing (Rev. 11:7). If they finished then why aren’t they dead?

The verse reads: And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” So what is the message that US and Israel are prophesying? Who are they declaring this message to?

You said: Take out a U.S. dollar bill and look at it- front and back.
Do you notice any type of plant? Look at what the eagle is holding, do you know what that is? Look at the leaves and fruit on the front, do you know what that is? How does this compare to the plant mentioned in Rev. Chapter 11:4? Of course we know that those are olive braches, so even if you want to say that is how we are to identify them, then tell us where are Israels olive braches found? and where are the US and Israels lampstands found? After all the verse reads:These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lamp stands.

I guess I could go on and on, but why bother?


Where do you get this garbage? The angel that was at your pouch pretending to tie their shoe?

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
When did the 3 1/2 years begin?
I have said before, I do not know the precise date, and I am not concerned with the exact date.
Likely if I knew, I would not reveal it anyway. I don't tell you guys everything.
Why should I ? Jesus did not tell everyone everything. He had His reasons, yes?

Why aren't they dead?
I said the Two had completed their witness, and soon the beast will kill them.
That's why they are not dead. If you need more info, I suggest that you approach Jehovah.

I will cause my Two Witnesses to prophesy.
Their prophesy is stated in the Bible. Their witness is stated in the Bible.
Their witness is their fulfilling prophesy.
By doing those things which the Bible said that they would do,
they are bearing witness of who they are, and prophesying.

Olive trees and lampstands.
This is one of many clues Jesus gave to us to help us identify the Two.
Can you provide an example of where one olive tree or one lampstand represented one person?
These both symbolize authority, nations, or governments, together or individually.
It's a sign, like all the other verses contain.
It's a sign that rules out the existence of the Two as individuals, or small groups.

The interpretation I presented is not mine.
As I had said, I was angry with God that the Two
would provide signs which were seemingly destructive.
I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand.
To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it.
But before that I was thinking like you all.
So now that I am not thinking like you about this, you are angry?

I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again).
I lost nothing, but in fact have gained much.
So I am forced to leave you to your confusion, and wondering.
While you are waiting, and looking, for something that will never happen.
Bill

BTW- When I wrote "The internet is a superhighway/street/broad way-
from which "some of the peoples/tribes/tongues/nations" can see the now dead Two Witnesses."
I was referring to the 'dead' in context with the scripture, not in relation to the time right now.
I was not saying the Two are dead now, today.

[Anthony]

Alo ha,
When did the 3 1/2 years begin?
I have said before, I do not know the precise date, and I am not concerned with the exact date.
Likely if I knew, I would not reveal it anyway. I don't tell you guys everything.
Why should I ? Jesus did not tell everyone everything. He had His reasons, yes?

Why aren't they dead?
I said the Two had completed their witness, and soon the beast will kill them.
That's why they are not dead. If you need more info, I suggest that you approach Jehovah.

I will cause my Two Witnesses to prophesy.
Their prophesy is stated in the Bible. Their witness is stated in the Bible.
Their witness is their fulfilling prophesy.
By doing those things which the Bible said that they would do,
they are bearing witness of who they are, and prophesying.

Olive trees and lampstands.
This is one of many clues Jesus gave to us to help us identify the Two.
Can you provide an example of where one olive tree or one lampstand represented one person?
These both symbolize authority, nations, or governments, together or individually.
It's a sign, like all the other verses contain.
It's a sign that rules out the existence of the Two as individuals, or small groups.

The interpretation I presented is not mine.
As I had said, I was angry with God that the Two
would provide signs which were seemingly destructive.
I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand.
To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it.
But before that I was thinking like you all.
So now that I am not thinking like you about this, you are angry?

I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again).
I lost nothing, but in fact have gained much.
So I am forced to leave you to your confusion, and wondering.
While you are waiting, and looking, for something that will never happen.
Bill

BTW- When I wrote "The internet is a superhighway/street/broad way-
from which "some of the peoples/tribes/tongues/nations" can see the now dead Two Witnesses."
I was referring to the 'dead' in context with the scripture, not in relation to the time right now.
I was not saying the Two are dead now, today.

Well all I can say is, I suppose to you it all makes sense. I am willing to say that not one person here believes for one moment anything you have presented. I know that doesn’t matter to you, you believe you are right and that’s that.

I’ll just say Thank you for at least attempting to respond, even though nothing in your response answers or says anything creditable. Also I just wanted to say that I was wrong for calling you a fruitcake. Clearly your not!

So thank you Bill.

Oh I might just add one other thought. Maybe you should change the word informational to entertainment.

This comment is for entertainment purposes only.
You are not under obligation to believe anything that I write or say.

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
From Psychology Today-
Put-Down Humor

This aggressive type of humor is used to criticize and manipulate others through teasing, sarcasm and ridicule. When it's aimed against politicians by the likes of Ann Coulter, it's hilarious and mostly harmless. But in the real world, it has a sharper impact. Put-down humor, such as telling friends an embarrassing story about another friend, is a socially acceptable way to deploy aggression and make others look bad so you look good.
When challenged on their teasing, the put-down joker often turns to the "just kidding" defense, allowing the aggressor to avoid responsibility even as the barb bites. Martin has found no evidence that those who rely on this type of humor are any less well-adjusted. But it does take a toll on personal relationships.



Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.
Thomas Jefferson (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff135365.html)

Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities.
Oscar Wilde (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/oscarwilde383161.html)

I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.
Frederick Douglass (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd107739.html)

The greatest height of heroism to which an individual, like a people, can attain is to know how to face ridicule.
Miguel de Unamuno (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/migueldeun389246.html)

Bill

[shikinah]

I think many of us have our own interpretations or sudden realisations of scripture, I know I have and like Mr Galleria I post some of my thoughts but not all, as I know i'd be seen as a fruit cake too, which I know I still am at times . But if I had not responded to what I believed was true I wouldnt have been on this board now. We are all independant thinkers with deeply spiritual minds if not we would never have ventured onto this site, as it definately go's against the societies grain, so we are going to be expressive in our thoughts. But I guess we can never take anything as fact until we see it unfolding and based upon scripture.
We shouldnt expect everyone to believe our own personal thoughts, but at the same time if we dont believe what others have to say, we need to remember they are our brothers, and loving words despite how much we may disagree, gets better results.

Shikinah

[Anthony]

QUOTE]

From Psychology Today-
Put-Down Humor

This aggressive type of humor is used to criticize and manipulate others through teasing, sarcasm and ridicule. When it's aimed against politicians by the likes of Ann Coulter, it's hilarious and mostly harmless. But in the real world, it has a sharper impact. Put-down humor, such as telling friends an embarrassing story about another friend, is a socially acceptable way to deploy aggression and make others look bad so you look good. When challenged on their teasing, the put-down joker often turns to the "just kidding" defense (No need to worry about that here. Obvious I was being facetious in saying that I was wrong.), allowing the aggressor to avoid responsibility (I take full responsibility.) even as the barb bites. Martin has found no evidence that those who rely on this type of humor are any less well-adjusted. (Well good for Martin.)

“Martin”, Thomas Jefferson (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff135365.html), Oscar Wilde (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/oscarwilde383161.html), Frederick Douglass (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd107739.html), Miguel de Unamuno (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/migueldeun389246.html)1 Corinthians 3:19

Bill

Quote Elizabeth “I think many of us have our own interpretations or sudden realisations of scripture…We shouldnt expect everyone to believe our own personal thoughts” End quote

The above does not apply here. If it were just someone saying something from there own personal thoughts that would be one thing, and no reason to call them out just because you disagree, but based on the following:

Quote- “The interpretation I presented is not mine.
As I had said, I was angry with God that the Two
would provide signs which were seemingly destructive.
I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand.
To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it.

I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again)…

I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of.
I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful.
And Jehovah gives it to me so freely,
I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention.
Bill

[Gilligan]

QUOTE]

Quote Elizabeth “I think many of us have our own interpretations or sudden realisations of scripture…We shouldnt expect everyone to believe our own personal thoughts” End quote

The above does not apply here. If it were just someone saying something from there own personal thoughts that would be one thing, and no reason to call them out just because you disagree, but based on the following:

Quote- “The interpretation I presented is not mine.
As I had said, I was angry with God that the Two
would provide signs which were seemingly destructive.
I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand.
To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it.

I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again)…

I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of.
I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful.
And Jehovah gives it to me so freely,
I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention.
Bill


Alright already, now can we watch the Super Bowl in PEACE please?:mad:
I got the Saints by 7, any takers? Pass the pretzels por favor,,,,,:p

[shikinah]

QUOTE]

Quote Elizabeth “I think many of us have our own interpretations or sudden realisations of scripture…We shouldnt expect everyone to believe our own personal thoughts” End quote

The above does not apply here. If it were just someone saying something from there own personal thoughts that would be one thing, and no reason to call them out just because you disagree, but based on the following:

Quote- “The interpretation I presented is not mine.
As I had said, I was angry with God that the Two
would provide signs which were seemingly destructive.
I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand.
To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it.

I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again)…

I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of.
I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful.
And Jehovah gives it to me so freely,
I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention.
Bill

I see where your coming from, The interpretation I presented is not mine. if its not Mrgallerias who's is it?
I obviously didnt read his previous posts correctly..its a tricky one.

[Gilligan]

I see where your coming from, The interpretation I presented is not mine. if its not Mrgallerias who's is it?
I obviously didnt read his previous posts correctly..its a tricky one.




If you don't mind me conveying this Bill:

Bill is getting his info straight from the source, he has a special connection, if you will, and is tuned in with God's Holy Spirit, he has the insight, and may have pertinent answers for our questions here, if you let him.
Simple as that, you can harass the man, call him names, but don't completely ignore him,,,

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Mr. Gilligan, please don't stick your neck out for me, you know what can happen?
(Thanks, though)

Revelation 11:3 "And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy..."
Who said this, who said "I" ?
Bill

[shikinah]

If you don't mind me conveying this Bill:

Bill is getting his info straight from the source, he has a special connection, if you will, and is tuned in with God's Holy Spirit, he has the insight, and may have pertinent answers for our questions here, if you let him.
Simple as that, you can harass the man, call him names, but don't completely ignore him,,,

Thank you Gills for explaining that to me, I would never intentionally harass Bill, I just ask him questions i miss understand.

[Gilligan]

Thank you Gills for explaining that to me, I would never intentionally harass Bill, I just ask him questions i miss understand.


Dear Sheek,
This response was not applied to you directly, but applied to those who know whatever,,,

Your friend, Gills

[mrgalleria]

"Revelation 11:3 "And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy..."
Who said this, who said "I" ?"

This is important.
Everyone thinks it was God.
Was it God?

[Anthony]

"Revelation 11:3 "And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy..."
Who said this, who said "I" ?"

This is important.
Everyone thinks it was God.
Was it God?

And the voice (?) that I (John) heard out of heaven is speaking again with me (John) and saying (the voice): “Go, take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel (?) who is standing on the sea and on the earth.” 9 And I (John) went away to the angel and told him (the angel) to give me (John) the little scroll. And he (the angel) said to me (John): “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your (John) belly bitter, but in your(John) mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I(John) took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it up, and in my(John) mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I(John) had eaten it up, my(John) belly was made bitter. 11 And they (the voice and the angel) say to me (John): “You (John) must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”
11 And a reed like a rod was given me (John) as he (the voice or the angel?) said: “Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God (Jehovah) and the altar and those worshiping in it. 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I (the voice or the angel?) will cause my (the voice or the angel?) two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These (the two witnesses) are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord (Jehovah or Jesus?) of the earth.
5 And if anyone wants to harm them (the two witnesses), fire issues forth from their (the two witnesses) mouths and devours their (the two witnesses) enemies; and if anyone should want to harm them (the two witnesses), in this manner he must be killed. 6 These (the two witnesses) have the authority to shut up heaven that no rain should fall during the days (42 months), of their (the two witnesses) prophesying and they (the two witnesses) have authority over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every sort of plague as often as they (the two witnesses) wish.
7 And when they (the two witnesses) have finished their (the two witnesses) witnessing, the wild beast (eighth king/UN) that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them (the two witnesses) and conquer them (the two witnesses) and kill them (the two witnesses). 8 And their (the two witnesses) corpses will be on the broad way of the great city, which is in a spiritual sense called Sod´om and Egypt, where their (the two witnesses) Lord (Jesus) was also impaled. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their (the two witnesses) corpses for three and a half days, and they do not let their (the two witnesses) corpses be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them (the two witnesses) and enjoy themselves, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets (the two witnesses) tormented those dwelling on the earth.
11 And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them (the two witnesses), and they (the two witnesses) stood upon their (the two witnesses) feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them (the two witnesses). 12 And they (the two witnesses) heard a loud voice (?) out of heaven say to them (the two witnesses): “Come on up here.” And they (the two witnesses) went up into heaven in the cloud, and their (the two witnesses) enemies beheld them (the two witnesses). 13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past. Look! The third woe is coming quickly. (The second woe is the 6th trumpet)

Who is the identity of the voice?
Who is the identity of the angel?
Who is he in 11:1 the voice or the angel?
Who is I in 11:3 the voice or the angel?
Who is lord in 11:4 Jehovah or Jesus?
Who is the voice in 11:12?
In 10:11 John of course being dead cannot be the one toprophesy again, so who would be equivalent to him that would do this?
Whoever the identity of the two witnesses prove to be, verse 11:8 shows that they recognize Jesus as their lord.
Whatever time frame the two witnesses come on seen for their 42months, trumpets 1-5 would have blown because this takes place during the 6th.
In order for the wild beast to make war, conquer and kill the two witnesses it would have to have already ascended out of the abyss and be acting in the authority of the 42months that are given it.

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Rev. 11:8 does not say Jesus, nor God, is the Lord spoken of.
Jesus was not impaled in Sodom or Egypt.
God is referred to as the Lord of heaven and earth.
Lord can even refer to Satan, who is the God of this world

The Lord must be the same Lord who is spoken of at Rev. 11:4- the Lord of the earth.
In this case the one who sends his two witnesses is the strong angel
who had his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the earth.
Because at Rev. 11:1-3 this angel is speaking, as can be seen by the notations.

Do you understand the symbolism of the angel having one foot on the sea, and one foot on the earth.
This means that everything occurring on the planet is under his domain.
This includes the governments.
Bill

[Gilligan]

Alo ha,
Rev. 11:8 does not say Jesus, nor God, is the Lord spoken of.
Jesus was not impaled in Sodom or Egypt.
God is referred to as the Lord of heaven and earth.
Lord can even refer to Satan, who is the God of this world

The Lord must be the same Lord who is spoken of at Rev. 11:4- the Lord of the earth.
In this case the one who sends his two witnesses is the strong angel
who had his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the earth.
Because at Rev. 11:1-3 this angel is speaking, as can be seen by the notations.

Do you understand the symbolism of the angel having one foot on the sea, and one foot on the earth.
This means that everything occurring on the planet is under his domain.
This includes the governments.
Bill


,,,right on Billy,,,:cool:

[Tsaphah]

Seeing that those commenting here are giving opinions, with no backing scriptures to enforce the opinion, other than what is spoken of in Revelation chapter 11, I'll throw mine in. I've been reading, and I haven't commented on this yet, and this will probably be the only thing I have to say.

Anthony: You have brought out some very interesting comments with your identifications. You also raise other questions that can't specifically be answered, because of the way the Greek language is structured.

There have to be some assumptions made, based on the language, and the verbs, nouns, etc. Assumptions have to be made as to who is speaking in each case. For example, “Who is the identity of the voice”. In the beginning of verse 10:8, it says in Greek: “kai ho phone”- (kahee ho fo-nay) literally, (kai=and, also, even, then), (ho=the, this, that, these, etc.), (phone=a sound, a tone, a voice, of the sound of uttered words, speech. These all depend on what is happening and who is involved. In this case, we have John, the voice of the seventh angel (10:7), “Him who lives forever”, a voice from heaven, the angel who is standing on the sea and land, the seven thunders had spoken (hepta bronte laleo), the voice of the seventh angel, etc.

Gilligan: Be kind. If what mrgalleria is saying is true, it will be brought to light (the lamp-stands). (2 Pe 1:19, 21), (1 Co 2:10), (1 Tim 4:15) The bracketed words, [symbolized by], were added in the NWT version. They are not in the original Greek. WHAT??? Yes, they have been added to explain that they are not literal lamp-stands. How do we know that is what is meant? We read in 11:3, that “I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy...”. By our ability to reason, we know that “olive trees” and “lamp-stands” lack the ability to speak. Therefore, verse 11:4 is symbolic. (1 Jo 4:1)

I could go into a lot of detail about the lamp-stands, actually “candle holders” and “olive trees” but, I won't, at this time.

Enough said.

Tsaphah

[Gilligan]

Seeing that those commenting here are giving opinions, with no backing scriptures to enforce the opinion, other than what is spoken of in Revelation chapter 11, I'll throw mine in. I've been reading, and I haven't commented on this yet, and this will probably be the only thing I have to say.

Anthony: You have brought out some very interesting comments with your identifications. You also raise other questions that can't specifically be answered, because of the way the Greek language is structured.

There have to be some assumptions made, based on the language, and the verbs, nouns, etc. Assumptions have to be made as to who is speaking in each case. For example, “Who is the identity of the voice”. In the beginning of verse 10:8, it says in Greek: “kai ho phone”- (kahee ho fo-nay) literally, (kai=and, also, even, then), (ho=the, this, that, these, etc.), (phone=a sound, a tone, a voice, of the sound of uttered words, speech. These all depend on what is happening and who is involved. In this case, we have John, the voice of the seventh angel (10:7), “Him who lives forever”, a voice from heaven, the angel who is standing on the sea and land, the seven thunders had spoken (hepta bronte laleo), the voice of the seventh angel, etc.

Gilligan: Be kind. If what mrgalleria is saying is true, it will be brought to light (the lamp-stands). (2 Pe 1:19, 21), (1 Co 2:10), (1 Tim 4:15) The bracketed words, [symbolized by], were added in the NWT version. They are not in the original Greek. WHAT??? Yes, they have been added to explain that they are not literal lamp-stands. How do we know that is what is meant? We read in 11:3, that “I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy...”. By our ability to reason, we know that “olive trees” and “lamp-stands” lack the ability to speak. Therefore, verse 11:4 is symbolic. (1 Jo 4:1)

I could go into a lot of detail about the lamp-stands, actually “candle holders” and “olive trees” but, I won't, at this time.
Enough said.
Tsaphah

Hi Tsaphah,
Wonderful stuff you posted here.
We can post ALL the Scriptures here on this DB until we are blue in the face and where will that get us?.
What We need NOW are experiences that I feel Most posters here need to expand more into, including "lurkers" who are hesitating to relate to here because they are trying to determine if this site is worthy of relaying personal stuff related to the upcoming situation.

Let's open up people, what are you afraid of?,,,,You've got God's backing! Don't go to bed tonite "trembling in fear",,

[Anthony]

Jesus was not impaled in Sodom or Egypt.Satan was not impaled, Jesus was. (It can be said that Jesus was impaled in Sodom and Egypt, just like he was born in one place but said to have come from 3 or so places as well. Robert, a little help here. I know you can explain it better then I.)

In this case the one who sends his two witnesses is the strong angel
who had his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the earth.Yes I agree that it is the same angel that speaks it, but I don’t agree as to the idenity.

Bill

Red is your reasoning and what you have Satan, John, and Jehovah? saying and blue is mine and what I have Jesus, John, and Jehovah saying.

10 And I (John) saw another strong angel (Satan/Jesus) descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet were as fiery pillars, 2 and he (Satan/Jesus) had in his (Satan/Jesus) hand a little scroll opened. And he (Satan/Jesus) set his right foot upon the sea, but his left one upon the earth, 3 and he (Satan/Jesus) cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars. And when he (Satan/Jesus) cried out, the seven thunders uttered their own voices. 4 Now when the seven thunders spoke, I (John) was at the point of writing; but I(John) heard a voice (Jehovah) out of heaven say: “Seal up the things the seven thunders spoke, and do not write them down.” 5 And the angel (Satan/Jesus) that I (John) saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his (Satan/Jesus) right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he (Satan/Jesus) swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God (Jehovah) according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.” 8 And the voice (Jehovah) that I heard out of heaven is speaking again with me (John) and saying: “Go, take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel (Satan/Jesus) who is standing on the sea and on the earth.” 9 And I(John) went away to the angel (Satan/Jesus) and told him (Satan/Jesus) to give me(John) the little scroll. And he (Satan/Jesus) said to me(John) : “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your belly bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I(John) took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel (Satan/Jesus) and ate it up, and in my(John) mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I(John) had eaten it up, my belly was made bitter. 11 And they (the angel Satan/Jesusand the voice Jehovah) say to me: “You (John) must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.” 11 And a reed like a rod was given me(John) as he (Satan/Jesus) said: “Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God (Jehovah) and the altar and those worshiping in it. 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I (Satan/Jesus) will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth.

Also, I might add that Luke and Matthew wrote that Jesus said: Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, standing in a holy place, John also wrote about this being said by (Satan/Jesus) in Rev 11:2.

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Two more points-
1. By saying the Two's- Lord was impaled in the great city
which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt
unquestionably proves it could not possibly be speaking of Jesus.
Jerusalem is not sharing a spiritual connection with either Sodom or Egypt.
The spirit of Sodom was ungodly, violent and perverse.
The spirit of Egypt was ungodly, egotistical, decadent, and dominating.
So the great city is Violent, Perverse, Decadent, Ungodly, Dominating, and Egotistical.
The great city of VP-DUDE.

The Two's Lord is not necessarily Satan, and I never said he was.
I used Satan as an example of what the term "Lord" could refer to.
The Lord of the earth has great authority and power.

The seven thunders which echo with the voice of this Lord/angel are not of Jehovah,
otherwise the Bible would say so. The seven bear witness to the authority given the Lord/angel.

2. Impaled means a slow, tortuous death. The Two's Lord was impaled in VP-DUDE.

I have said that the city of VP-DUDE is made up of those on the internet.
So the Two's- Lord will die a slow painful death on/from the same internet.
It is occurring now.
We all have seen the city, of which we are a part, inflicting a slow death
upon those authorities that rule the earth. By revealing their plans, and opposing them,
the city is tortuously killing the authority.
Codex, Global Warming, Pandemics, genetically modified foods,
False Flag attacks, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccines, bank frauds,
government corruption, 911, election fraud, etc.
All being exposed.

All this is fulfillment of prophesy. It did not happen for nothing.
Bill

[Utuna]

Dear Bill,

Please read : "And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration." - (Rv13:3)

Do you think there are any links with that event that "choked" the USA four years ago ? :p

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[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
"as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed,"'
Actually, this event reminds me of Russia.
Bill

[Anthony]

Dan 8:15 Then it came about that, while I myself, Daniel, was seeing the vision and seeking an understanding, why, look! there was standing in front of me someone(Gabriel) in appearance like an able-bodied man. 16 And I (Daniel) began to hear the voice (?) of an earthling man in the midst of the U´lai, and he (the voice) proceeded to call out and say: “Gabriel, make that one (Daniel) there understand the thing seen.” 17 So he (Gabriel) came beside where I (Daniel) was standing, but when he came I got terrified so that I fell upon my face. And he (Gabriel) proceeded to say to me (Daniel): “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of [the] end.” 18 And while he (Gabriel) was speaking with me, I had become fast asleep on my face on the earth. So he (Gabriel) touched me and made me stand up where I had been standing. 19 And hewent on to say: “Here I (Gabriel) am causing you (Daniel) to know what will occur in the final part of the denunciation, because it is for the appointed time of [the] end.


Dan 10:5 I (Daniel) also proceeded to raise my eyes and see, and here was a certain man (?) clothed in linen, with his hips girded with gold of U´phaz.8 And I—I (Daniel) was left remaining by myself, so that I saw this great appearance (the man in linen). And there was left remaining in me no power, and my own dignity became changed upon me to ruination, and I retained no power. 9 And I began hearing the sound of his (the man in linen)words; and while I was hearing the sound of his words, I myself also happened to be fast asleep upon my face, with my face to the earth. 10 And, look! there was a hand (who’s hand?) that touched me, and it gradually stirred me up to [get] upon my knees and the palms of my hands.11 And he (the man in linen) proceeded to say to me: “O Daniel, you very desirable man, have understanding in the words that I (the man in linen)am speaking to you (Daniel), and stand up where you were standing, for now I(the man in linen) have been sent to you.” And when he (the man in linen)spoke with me (Daniel), this word, I did stand up, shivering.12 And he went on to say to me: “Do not be afraid, O Daniel, for from the first day that you gave your heart to understanding and humbling yourself before your God (Jehovah) your words have been heard, and I (the man in linen)myself have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me (the man in linen)for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael (Jesus?), one of the foremost princes, came to help me (the man in linen); and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia. 14 And I (the man in linen)have come to cause you (Daniel), to discern what will befall your people in the final part of the days, because it is a vision yet for the days [to come].” 15 Now when he (the man in linen)spoke with me words like these, I had set my face to the earth and had become speechless. 16 And, look! one similar to the likeness (?) of the sons of mankind was touching my lips, and I (Daniel), began to open my mouth and speak and say to the one was standing in front of me (?): “O my lord, because of the appearance my convulsions were turned within me, and I did not retain any power. 17 So how was the servant of this my lord (?) able to speak with this my lord? And as for me (Daniel), up to now there kept standing in me no power, and no breath at all was left remaining in me.” 18 And the one (?) like the appearance of an earthling man proceeded to touch me again and strengthen me. 19 Then he (?) said: “Do not be afraid, O very desirable man. May you have peace. Be strong, yes, be strong.” And as soon as he (?)spoke with me I (Daniel), exerted my strength and finally said: “Let my lord speak, because you have strengthened me.” 20 So he (?) went on to say: “Do you really know why I have come to you? And now I shall go back to fight with the prince of Persia. When I am going forth, look! also the prince of Greece is coming. 21 However, I (?) shall tell you the things noted down in the writing of truth, and there is no one holding strongly with me in these [things] but Michael (?), the prince of YOU people.

Dan 12:5 And I saw, I Daniel, and, look! there were two others (?)standing, one on the bank here of the stream and the other on the bank there of the stream. 6 Then one said to the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream: “How long will it be to the end of the wonderful things?” 7 And I began to hear the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he (who is the man in linen?)proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish.” (Rev 10:5 And the angel (?) that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”Luke 1:19 In reply the angel said to him: “I am Gabriel, who stands near before God, and I was sent forth to speak with you and declare the good news of these things to you.)8 Now as for me (Daniel), I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: “O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?” 9 And he (the man in linen)went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.


Daniel is Daniel - prophet

Gabriel is Gabriel - a high-ranking angelic creature in close association with the heavenly court, one “who stands near before God”; that he was one “sent forth” by God to deliver special messages to servants of Jehovah here on earth (Lu 1:19, 26); that his personal envisioned or materialized form was, true to the meaning of his name, “like an able-bodied man.”

Who is the voice of an earthling man?

Who is the certain man clothed in linen?

Who is the one similar to the likeness of the sons of mankind?

Who are the two others standing on the bank of the stream?

Who’s hand touched Daniel and gradually stirred him up to upon his knees and the palms of his hands?

Who’s the one like the appearance of an earthling man that proceeded to touch Daniel again and strengthen him?

[Tsaphah]

Daniel is Daniel - prophet


Yes he is a prophet.

Daniel; (dan=judge + el=God), (God's judge, i.e. who delivers judgment in the name of God), [Daniel], pr.n. Especially that of a Hebrew prophet and wise man who lived at the Babylonian court. Dan. 1:6. Also Eze. 14:14, 20; 28:3. or God is my judge.

“The 4th of the greater prophets, taken as hostage in the first deportation to Babylon, because of the gift of God of the interpretation of dreams, he became the 2nd in command of the Babylon empire and lasted through the end of the Babylonian empire and into the Persian empire. His prophecies are the key to the understanding of end time events. Noted for his purity and holiness by contemporary prophet, Ezekiel” - Source: Strong's Lexicon

The most authoritative person to identify Daniel as a prophet was none other than Jesus the Christ. “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand ),” (Mt 24:15)

[Tsaphah]

Anthony....
Are you truly seeking answers to the questions you pose, or are you being facetious and egging on mrgalleria?

You aren't being plain in the information you are posting. I get the impression from these posts, that the answer to my question to you is, yes.

Therefore, it appears that you already know the answers. I won't post any more answers to your questions.

Tsaphah

[mrgalleria]

"“Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end." Quote

Alo ha,
Also, at Revelation information was sealed up until the time of the end.
Is this- "the time of the end"?
If so, should we expect to see these "secrets" unsealed?
If the "secrets" are being unsealed, can you recognize it?

Is there anyone here who could start reading Daniel's prophesy, or Revelation,
and stop, close the Bible, and pretty must guess what is going to be said next,
without ever having read it?

Compare this to a movie that you have never seen, yet often you will know
what will happen next, just by watching the flow of the movie.

Revealing that with has been kept secret for thousands of years
is not something that you can guess at.

If God does not tell you, you will not know.
If God sends someone to tell you, and you do not listen because
he is telling you something that you did not expect, you can say nothing.

I propose that it is possible that the most outrageous and unbelievable interpretation
which still fits within Gods purposes is likely the truth.

Anthony, you asked many questions.
Why do you need to know the answers?
What would you do with the answers?
If God provided a source for those answers,
would you believe, or would you ridicule?
Bill

[Anthony]

Anthony....

Are you truly seeking answers to the questions you pose, or are you being facetious and egging on mrgalleria? Yes a I am seeking the answers and I hope that any that can answer will do so. Post #35 and #26 were not directed to Bill, only #13 and #31 were.

You aren't being plain in the information you are posting. What isn’t plain about a question mark?

Therefore, it appears that you already know the answers. I would not ask if I did. I won't post any more answers to your questions.I don’t know that you have answered any questions. Maybe you should say that you won’t reply or give a response.

Tsaphah





Anthony,

you asked many questions. Yeah so what of it? Why do you need to know the answers? To have a greater understanding. If God provided a source for those answers, would you believe, or would you ridicule? Bill it would be the same means with any source that provided an answer, you go to the Bible and check what is being said with what is written.

Bill


It’s funny how many think they know there a$# from a hole in the wall and yet no one would be here (on this site) if it were not for Robert. Robert is the one with the answers and yet I never see that he feels the need to say Quote- “The interpretation I presented is not mine. I approached Him about it, and He gave me comfort by helping me understand. To me it was clear from the first moment Jehovah revealed it. I am so sorry for you, because you have rejected this gift from God (again)… I am so cautious what things I ask Jehovah for understanding of. I can not handle to much at a time, it's that powerful. And Jehovah gives it to me so freely, I overflow with emotion and my mind is bursting from His attention. End quote

What I have been presenting, I put question marks where I hope others can fill in who it is referring too. And where I have a question I write it out as such. When I have a point being made, I do so by either flat out writing it, bolden it or underlining it.

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Sorry, Anthony, but I am certain that I will never conquer the art and science of ear tickling.
Bill

[mrgalleria]

Anthony asked "If the Two Witnesses are given 3 ½ years, when did it begin?"

Alo ha,
The US might be considered putting on sack cloth some time after September 11, 2001.
Israel, I recently was reminded, was at war with Lebanon in 2006.
A 34 day war, it had two ending dates, depending on your point of view.
August 14, 2006, and September 8, 2006.
What if the ending date of this war was the beginning
of the 1260 days the Two Witnesses would prophesy?
If so, what date would end the witnessing, and begin the war with the Wild Beast?
It is after this war, that the Wild Beast kills the Two.
Anyone here good at calculating dates?
Bill

[tortas]

Anthony asked "If the Two Witnesses are given 3 ½ years, when did it begin?"

Alo ha,
The US might be considered putting on sack cloth some time after September 11, 2001.
Israel, I recently was reminded, was at war with Lebanon in 2006.
A 34 day war, it had two ending dates, depending on your point of view.
August 14, 2006, and September 8, 2006.
What if the ending date of this war was the beginning
of the 1260 days the Two Witnesses would prophesy?
If so, what date would end the witnessing, and begin the war with the Wild Beast?
It is after this war, that the Wild Beast kills the Two.
Anyone here good at calculating dates?
Bill


are you for real bro?

[mrgalleria]

"are you for real bro?"

Alo ha,
Hey Tortas, I remember when you wrote this-
"i know i have a couple of back packs ready just in case"
You seem to be expecting something. What?
Bill

[Jeshurun]

HEY BILL!!

You've got nothing to worry about over there. Just find a nice cave on Mauna Loa, rub sticks together and bake Macadamia Nut Pie, and watch it all go down!

Love,
Jesh