Peace and security 2012?

[shikinah]

Iv'e been noticing lately a lot on Global climate change, earth summit, movies such as Avatar, possible matreya and New Age concepts. Iv'e also been hearing about the climax being 2012, when everything should be set in place. I use to think this was just heresay and that 2012 had no significance, but I now believe that it has a major significance, in the sense of it being a global change of events unlike anything we have ever seen.
I always said one day they will use Michael Jacksons Earth song to promote this new Earth worship, and strange enough I watched his rehersal concert "This is it" and something stood out toward the end of the video when Michael and the other dancers stood in a circle to pray. He held hands with them and prayed that the earth would be filled with love and this was what the earth needed, he then said we only have four years to do this which worked out 2012.
That is when I realised he too was one of these earth worshipers, and then I had a thought, could 2012 be the announcement of global Peace and Security, the false hope promised to earth dwellers as the devine hope for all man kind? Paradice on earth the false kingdom? The reason why this song is so significant is for a few reasons. Michael use to serve Jehovah, and theres a line in the song where he says to Jehovah "What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son..." this is saying to Jehovah "what good did your son do in coming to the earth when theres all these problems"
This is disregard for Jesus sacrifice. This song is perfect as these earth worshipers believe Christianity is the cause of most of our problems.
The song was also played at the music awards to highlight the plight of the planet.
Satan has managed to use a once worshiper of Jehovah to help bring about this Goddess worship and merger of Babylon the great.

"Earth Song"

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain...
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've shed before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about apathy
(What about us)
I need you
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo, ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah




Shikinah

[elihu]

hi Shikinah,

wow! that makes sense,
there does seem to be a build up to a change of existance coming from different aspects of this earth society.

the BBC has annual reif lectures and a professor Michael Sandals has recently lectured on societies and economies buit upon the foundation of the common good of the citizens rather than the trickle down method of wealth dispersion.
the survival of mankind and there home being the objective of such a change.

i am starting to seriously question the teaching with regard to a paradise earth, because it seems to fit with this new world movement, in conditioning people to yearn for an global earthly government.

in other words should we be focusing our minds on heavenly things rather than earthly ones?

elihu

[shikinah]

elihu yes i have also noticed that this whole green thing is being introduced to very young children through TV programmes, on how to care for the envoirenment, its being indoctrinated as early as possible this advert has had loads of complaints
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXdUW3-7Qyk

As for "should we be focusing our minds on heavenly things rather than earthly ones?"
I think the Lords prayer "thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" is stating that we will have a heavenly kingdom upon the earth, but satan has cleverly been working to bring about a counterfeit kingdom probably after they have brought us to our knees and in desperate need of saving.
Chapter 18 of Revelation makes it very clear that it is the financial powers of Babylon the Great that forms the power base of the fourth beast of Daniel 7:7-8 and 23-25---the ten nation confederacy. It is doubly interesting, that when the religious, pantheistic Babylon serves its purpose of allowing the economic Babylon to take control of the world political system and economy, they turn on the religious Babylon and destroy it. (Revelation 17:1
But as the scriptures state

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, that you may not be quickly shaken or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the Day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

The apostacy is this lengthy process which has been going on since Jesus day which will reach its climax when it finally has sold out to satan and abandoned true worship, claiming the souls even of some of the chosen ones.
Jehovahs people are not expecting this to happen as they believe most prophesies have been fufilled. False prophets who have entered in amongst them have consealed exactly what Babylon the great really stands for.
Despite satans attempts to delude the world with his fools paradise, Jehovahs promise for a paradise earth still exists, this is why we have to
"keep on the watch"

http://www.nrpe.org./ The National Religious Partnership for the Environment

[elihu]

elihu yes i have also noticed that this whole green thing is being introduced to very young children through TV programmes, on how to care for the envoirenment, its being indoctrinated as early as possible this advert has had loads of complaints
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXdUW3-7Qyk

As for "should we be focusing our minds on heavenly things rather than earthly ones?"
I think the Lords prayer "thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" is stating that we will have a heavenly kingdom upon the earth, but satan has cleverly been working to bring about a counterfeit kingdom probably after they have brought us to our knees and in desperate need of saving.
Chapter 18 of Revelation makes it very clear that it is the financial powers of Babylon the Great that forms the power base of the fourth beast of Daniel 7:7-8 and 23-25---the ten nation confederacy. It is doubly interesting, that when the religious, pantheistic Babylon serves its purpose of allowing the economic Babylon to take control of the world political system and economy, they turn on the religious Babylon and destroy it. (Revelation 17:1
But as the scriptures state

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, that you may not be quickly shaken or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the Day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

The apostacy is this lengthy process which has been going on since Jesus day which will reach its climax when it finally has sold out to satan and abandoned true worship, claiming the souls even of some of the chosen ones.
Jehovahs people are not expecting this to happen as they believe most prophesies have been fufilled. False prophets who have entered in amongst them have consealed exactly what Babylon the great really stands for.
Despite satans attempts to delude the world with his fools paradise, Jehovahs promise for a paradise earth still exists, this is why we have to
"keep on the watch"

http://www.nrpe.org./ The National Religious Partnership for the Environment




i agree Shikinah, but i have some questions about the paradise earth, but that is for another thread
apologies it was called the" Reith lectures"
worth a listen, prof Sandals certainly recognises that some drastic change is required but he is dreaming if he thinks he willl get these ideas past the global elite
http://www.bbc-bbcRadio4Programmes-the ReithLectures

[shikinah]

i agree Shikinah, but i have some questions about the paradise earth, but that is for another thread
apologies it was called the" Reith lectures"
worth a listen, prof Sandals certainly recognises that some drastic change is required but he is dreaming if he thinks he willl get these ideas past the global elite
http://www.bbc-bbcRadio4Programmes-the ReithLectures

I tried that link it doesnt seem to be working. Yes I have a few questions about the paradise earth too, picture this, a world without children, if we continued having them we'd be over populated. Thats just one thought thats always crossed my mind.

[Jinnvisible]

He worships something called Billies Jeans. He worships Rocks with you.

When Michael Jackson was about 10 yrs old he was being raised as one of Jehovah's witnesses regularly attending meetings ect. He was also around the same time (as a child) forced under legal contract to record and album of Christmas songs whilst he was "In the truth". Those recordings to this very day,
are played in shops at Christmas. I heard it this gone couple of months ago,more than once.

The thing is you cannot really judge his overall affect as negative. Its the same with Bob Marley he's a poster boy for cannabis you can choose not to endorse such like people. Or Stevie Wonder Who sang "Happy Birthday". There is no real way of quantifying thier effect on humanity or even the truth.

I`ve heard of people who became Jehovah's witnesses because of Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan doesn't even have a religious affiliation as such. An elder told me that after listening to Dylans music there have been cases where people he knows actually attributed thier intrest in humanity,and a just cause,which apparently in turn led to them becomeing Jehovah's Witnesses.Or at least they attributed it to that when in company that they felty they would not be ostrasized for such an admission.

Michael Jackson was a Werewolf anyway. he could jump up and down and shout

I`m Satan, I`m Satan, Sh'mon Hee Hee

You still dont know what kind of effect that is going to have do you ?

What is the method of quantifying the effect ? I guess you can say if you don`t feel its really Christian like behaviour. I don`t think you can judge people to condemnation though.

He was never baptised. I think there was an artical in the Watchtower which was him were he reported his reget over making the Thriller video. As its connecton to the occult. As I understand it he was not named in teh artical but it was understood to be him. I think thats understandible why you could have feelings about that but there are awefully glib ways of judging things. Fore instance after Christs death the tombs in Jerusalem cracked open and the bodies were thrown out. Thats a bit more gruesome than a cheesey music video.

Again I think it relies on stringencies. I don`t think you should Judge anyone because they wear a cloth tie arepresentation of a phallus around thier neck and actually qualify public speaking according to it. Or because they wear a pagan wedding ring, or reffer to the months by the names of Roman or Norse Gods such as thorsday or Janus-uary.

Or burn all women as witches because they have a blood flow at full moon or new moon (both officially celebrated in Moses law). Yet you are entering that frame i think if you attempt to judge things which you cannot quantify.

Ultimately you have to decide whats for you and what isnt and you should also have the freedom to say if you do think Prince's high heels are a bad witness ect.

Again I blame the ape. Michael Jackson hung around with that ape Bubbles. Solomon was rich and famous and also went bad shame on, sha'mon him at the end, hee hee. So if Michael thought he had four years left till 2012 then he didn`t even have that long did he ? His impending sense of doom was acurate though for himself.

Ultimately its the apes. They are bad association and a bad form of entertainment as solomon also hung around with them and look what happend there. Its so obvious. The apes are a bad witness.

They look a bit like humans hence they are a bad witness. They get people thinking humans came from them,they have endorsed evolution by thier very presence. They 'hung around' Solomon and other witnesses who were to rich and famous for thier own good.

There will be no mercy, mercy, me for this kind of monkeying around. No ape-easment.

[shikinah]

Jinn I never knew he wasnt baptised and i understand your point, but doesnt this scripture say it all

Romans1:32 "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Im not judging i'll leave that to Jehovah, isnt the wages of sin death :confused:



Heres something i found

AL GORE, THE UNITED NATIONS,
AND THE CULT OF GAIA (1999)

By Cliff Kincaid, President, America’s Survival, Inc.


U.S. taxpayers are being forced to subsidize a new form of state religion which holds that natural resources have to be protected for the sake of Gaia, a so-called Earth spirit. This religious movement, which has cult-like qualities, is being promoted by leading figures and organizations such as Vice President Albert Gore, broadcaster Ted Turner, and the United Nations.
Gore, who as a member of the U.S. Senate participated in the 1992 U.N.-sponsored Earth Summit, is the most prominent member of what appears to be an environmental cult built around the concept of reverence for the Earth. Gore has written openly about the Earth having sacred qualities and he has praised primitive pagan religions and goddess worship.
Another key player is Ted Turner, who has turned his broadcasting empire into a virtual arm of the United Nations. A noted critic of Christianity and ambassador on behalf of the U.N. Population Fund, he promotes the concept of Gaia in his television programs, such as the "Captain Planet" cartoon show, in which characters get magic powers from an Earth spirit or goddess.

http://www.usasurvival.org/cultofgaia.html (http://www.usasurvival.org/cultofgaia.html)

read more here, UN New Gobal Religion
http://www.usasurvival.org/images/religion2.png



Shikinah

[Jinnvisible]

Jinn I never knew he wasnt baptised and i understand your point, but doesnt this scripture say it all

Romans1:32 "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Im not judging i'll leave that to Jehovah, isnt the wages of sin death

Well I am prepared to make a defence of Michael Jackson.

Which one of these sins would you be attributing to him from the scripture you are indicating ?

Romans 1:28-32 filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless.

32 Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them

[shikinah]

From my observance I would say haughty, self-assuming,
Maybe im wrong, and I know he was in error doing the thriller movie, but he went onto do even worse video's after that, then his crotch jestures, and asking Jehovah "whats happened to the world if you gave your only son"..deciding to act like god in genetic choosing to make sure he had light skinned children. Oh and badness, he was the first to declare himself "Im bad" lol...

Talking of Children.. Heres students pledge to the earth

http://www.usasurvival.org/photo6.jpg

[Jinnvisible]

From my observance I would say haughty, self-assuming,
Maybe im wrong, and I know he was in error doing the thriller movie, but he went onto do even worse video's after that, then his crotch jestures, and asking Jehovah "whats happened to the world if you gave your only son"..deciding to act like god in genetic choosing to make sure he had light skinned children. Oh and badness, he was the first to declare himself "Im bad" lol...

Talking of Children.. Heres students pledge to the earth

http://www.usasurvival.org/photo6.jpg

So how would you compare say that kind of crotch grabbing critisism with say someone sugesting that the avatar you use on this dissuccssion board is inapproriate.

A cartoon woman scantily clad with her boobs hanging out ?

Thriller is a bit cheesey and he did ghosts as well yet how would you compare that with say the entire western world of Christian worship judging speakers in the congregation by a phalic symbol hung around thier neck. As in a classic neck tie. Only allowing speaking about Christ in the cong in accordance to a visible phallus symbol

With regard to him asking what happened to the world or peace you promised your only son how does that differ from the vooices of the righteous who petition God how much longer ?

We are all bad compared to God even Christ told a man not to describe him as good.

Would it not perhaps be houghty and self assuming on your part to suggest you know how MJ chose the mother of his children. Unless you actually have some kind of evidence that he chose his children based on a colour sceme. Id be interested to know how you discerned that.

Jehovah demands whole souled worship. In Israel they had the circle dance connected with the celebration of Jehovah.

Can you quantifiably show me that the dancing Michael Jackson did during his lifetime did not play such a part as to encourage people to dance with regard to showing joyfull appreciation of life to God. Can you then also quantifyibly show how that jehovah did would not accept that from him far surpassing his vainities and faults ? being that their is zero formal dance worship to him even the circle dance that no loger exists ? To fulfill whole souled worship.

I didn`t know Michael Jackson personally but I had friends that spoke to him from time to time. Their is a prophesy in scripture that pertains to the slave music of the modern day egypt. there are allot of people who are about to come a right cropper pulling judgements upon what is fairly unprecidented. You will find out that some of the artists involved in modern music have been fulfilling a part of a prophesy..

[Jinnvisible]

I don`t mind the booby avatar. I was just using that as an emphasis you understand. lol

[shikinah]

I am not a male so I dont see the animated figure in a sexual way, she is a soldier fighting for the cause of good, well thats how I see it. I see your point Jinn but I also have mine, just because i have an opinion on Michael doesnt mean I dislike him, the post was relating to his recent video, which I found a little disturbing. Churches and phalic symbols are what they are, evil..but what has that to do with Michael being hauty or self asuming..where talking about an ex witness not Babylon the great.


Shikinah

[Jinnvisible]

I liked this one. I thought the words were very good.


"Man In The Mirror"

I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)

I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?

A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody's Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya' See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)

[shikinah]

I liked this one. I thought the words were very good.


"Man In The Mirror"

I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)

I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?

A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody's Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya' See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)

This is one of my favourites when you read the words you can see he had inner turmoil, his father had a lot to answer for. One of my other favorites is stranger in Moscow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfwccN7_ufI


Blessings
Shikinah