Internet Censorship

[Jinnvisible]

It may not be a one-sided issue, it is an issue to watch though.

Heres Blowhard Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG--42sjAvA&feature=player_profilepage

[FutureMan]

It may not be a one-sided issue, it is an issue to watch though.

Heres Blowhard Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG--42sjAvA&feature=player_profilepage

Hello Jinnvisible, I would say that this internet censorship scenario, has huge implications for free speech of which is suppose to be a component of democracy.

Some one could raise a major complaint about your site and it could be banned, even though you are not involved in any criminal activity.

If the ones who look at censoring a site determines that you fit any of their censorship category then of the internet you go.

If you say something unfavorable about the government, of the internet you go.

If you say something unfavorable about another religion, then of the Internet you go.

If you are perceived to have breached the copyright act, then of the Internet you go.

If you say something about your own religion and it is perceived as fostering a lack of tolerance to the belief system, then of the Internet you go.


Yes I'd say that it could effect a forum such a this one, that is for sure.

[TruthSeeker2]

First thing, the United States is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The governments are trying to shut down opposition to the Global Government. The have to shut down opposition and truth because their are too many people who could oppose their agenda and stop it. That is why they are planning on a culling of the population. It is all in the book Jehovah Himself Has Become King, and the current events in the world are evidence of the truth of global conspiracy for tyrranical world wide government controlled by the international bankers.

[Jinnvisible]

Yes I'd say that it could effect a forum such a this one, that is for sure.



The forum and the main site.

[FutureMan]

First thing, the United States is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The governments are trying to shut down opposition to the Global Government. The have to shut down opposition and truth because their are too many people who could oppose their agenda and stop it. That is why they are planning on a culling of the population. It is all in the book Jehovah Himself Has Become King, and the current events in the world are evidence of the truth of global conspiracy for tyrranical world wide government controlled by the international bankers.


Hello TruthSeeker, you are so correct, at least from my perspective, the United States is a Constitutional REPUBLIC.

So why is it that they continue to refer to themselves as a Democracy?

[TruthSeeker2]

Some people (liberals in the media and those who don't know better) continue to refer to democracy because it is the intent to destroy the constitution which is the basis of the Republic...that is why the Bible refers to the foundations being trampled...

It is a conspiracy by the Monetary Oligarcy, who intend to establich a "New World Order", to dumb-down the people by saying erroneous information over and over again...eventually people tend to believe the lies. It is a well-known mind control tactic that has been used for over 100 years by the corporate media. People are waking up to the lies and organizing against it. Hence, the powers are moving to block the internet, which is the source of real news and organization capabilities of the people.

Pledge of Allegiance"...and to the Republic for which it stands..."

[Utuna]

Hello TruthSeeker, you are so correct, at least from my perspective, the United States is a Constitutional REPUBLIC.

So why is it that they continue to refer to themselves as a Democracy?

Dear Futureman,

Republic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic) :

1) a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

2) a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.

Republic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic) :

1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>.

Democracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/democracy) :

government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Democracy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy) :

1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.


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The USA are a republic AND a democracy ! In the main lines, the word republic refers to the ways the state is organized (parliament & president, etc.), and democracy refers to the ways the chiefs of state are chosen, that is "elected". The meaning of both words is roughly the same as shown above.

Conspirationists and the like.... My My My !

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"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[noname]

And what will happen to the Watchtower when this happens and what will they say?

Possibly in many areas like Russia their site will be blocked. I found it strange when the brothers on JWmedia were baffled when the literature was banned as extremist when the bible plainly says dont be baffled when you are persecuted.

[SlaveForJah]

A TRUE, direct Democracy does not exist. At least not on anything resembling a large scale.

Here's a definition of the word:

democracy -

1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. 2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies. 3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges. 4. political or social equality; democratic spirit. 5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
- Random House Dictionary, 2010

By the above definitions, the United States is indeed a democracy. Constitutional Republic is the form of democracy. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic):

"A constitutional republic is a state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state) where the head of state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state) and other officials are elected (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election) as representatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28politics%29) of the people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People), and must govern according to existing constitutional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_law) that limits the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government)'s power over citizens. In a constitutional republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic), executive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_%28government%29), legislative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature), and judicial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary) powers are separated into distinct branches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers) and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_rights) so that no individual or group has absolute power.
The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review) makes a state republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic)."

So, the constitutional republic is a form of democracy in which representatives of the people, including the head of state, are chosen by the people and are limited in their powers by a constitution, whereby the rights of the individual and the will of the majority are governed in balance.

By all these definitions and requirements, the United States qualifies as a Democracy.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[SlaveForJah]

Hey there Utuna,

I just posted, and it appears that you had posted your last post about an hour before I posted mine. When I started my post, the last one on here was TS2's post #6. I took awhile looking things up, so when I finally posted, yours and noname's were already posted in between. But, it looks like we've both come up with basically the same information. Hope I didn't step on any toes.

Anyhow, thanks for posting.


Aagpe

SlaveForJah

[Jinnvisible]

Obviously Jones is blowing hard because of his business. Its not purely a point of principle for him, its a business concern. At the same time he is obviously passionate about his views so its interesting to see how this will all develop.

I think that also goes for the other side. I don`t think its purely a control issue for the NWO types I think it is also a revenue issue. I think they want to find a way to tax the internet. So perhaps it is as much of a taxation issue as it is an information control issue.

Perhaps in the interests of maintaing a facade of freedom they will continue to allow some free speech internet access if they get a percentage.

[James]

First thing, the United States is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, not a democracy.


Hello TS2,

WE ARE A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY

by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.

January 23, 2010

"The essential evil of the present British Royal regime’s imperial system of government, can be traced in modern history, to deep roots in a time as early as that of the process of degeneracy of King Henry VIII (b.1491- d.1547), a decadence which was orchestrated by that King’s then newly arrived (A.D. 1529) sex-counselor, the Venetian intelligence authority Francesco Zorzi (aka Giorgi) (b. 1466-d. 1540)..."

"Thus, we have Adam Smith’s predecessor John Locke’s (b. 1632-d.1704) system of thought, a system which is still praised as “democracy” by fools or swindlers, alike, including the British promotion of the alleged right to capture and hold African captives in perpetual slavery of successive generations inside the United States. Just so, had President Barack Obama and his behaviorist retinue inserted into the Senate’s so-called “health-care” bill the decree, of the perpetual right of those evil insurance companies associated with AIG, to secure the future privilege of murdering more Americans henceforth, than those who had been killed in 1939-1945 Europe, killed by those guilty parties who were hauled before the post-1945 Nuremberg Trials for crimes against humanity for crimes of a type identical with those for which Nazi doctors were condemned and executed at Nuremberg..."

"Now come Obama’s proposed, so-called health-care reforms, which, if established, would murder a vastly greater percentile of the U.S. population, than Hitler had killed by similar health-care polices, back then."

"...Hitler’s rise to power had been, originally, a result of a British, post-Versailles-treaty creation of Adolf Hitler’s role...plot of the Bank of England’s Montagu Norman and of Hitler-backing representatives of New York’s Brown Brothers Harriman, typified by such as Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, Jr."

"Contrary to such evil people as those exemplary British and kindred culprits of sundry nations, such as British-controlled puppet-President Barack Obama of our United States today."

http://www.larouchepac.net/node/13465

[Jinnvisible]

I had a dream that Lyndon LaRouche was coming to 'get' me.

[Utuna]

Hey there Utuna,

I just posted, and it appears that you had posted your last post about an hour before I posted mine. When I started my post, the last one on here was TS2's post #6. I took awhile looking things up, so when I finally posted, yours and noname's were already posted in between. But, it looks like we've both come up with basically the same information. Hope I didn't step on any toes.

Anyhow, thanks for posting.

Aagpe

SlaveForJah

Dear SFJ,

I'm glad you didn't see my post and sent yours because even if you agree with what I say, your post won't be worded nor your thoughts be the same as mine. That's the wealth of everyone's comment! I'm just the spokesman of myself, not the spokesman of the members who agree with me.

I often miss out new posts as well, I don't know why. Furthermore, as I use two different computers, I think this site or the cookies used get confused regarding the last posts read. Since last week end, I've added a new bookmark with the following line as the address:

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/search.php?do=getdaily

I have much less problems since then.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[Jinnvisible]

He was the size of a T-Rex, saying I had to be stopped, I was the Brit invasion of E-watchman that i wanted to be Ew. He called me Jinnvisibob.

[Jinnvisible]

There was additional programing on the Alex Jones show by Jason Bermas about the Cyber Security Act.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u/7/GojAdhqPdNo