Who Are Jehovah's Witnesses?

[carib-jim]

This is what I've discerned for my studies of the bible regarding the above, that is who are Jehovah's Witnesses?
To begin, it is Jehovah decides who are his witnesses, and what it means to be his witness. While that statement may appear painfully obvious it important that one accepts this principle when seeking to answer the above question from the scriptures.
The scripture teach that when the Jews were freed from Babylonian exile and restored to the promised land, the generation that returned were Jehovah's Witnesses. They were the proof that Jehovah had vindicated himself regarding his promises involving their exile and restoration. However Isaiah 43:9-12 point to a greater fulfillment when "All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble" there are to be witnesses of Jehovah at that time also. Danial 7 and Revelation 4-6 describes the scenario- a heavenly court where Jehovah sits and Jesus marshals the evidence and those resurrected to life in heaven are the witnesses. They testify that all Jehovah has promised them and, involving them, has come true. Its at this time with Jehovah vindicated that the Holy ones are given the kingdom.
Until the full number of those chosen for heavenly life have been resurrected to heaven, Jehovah is not vindicated. Jesus on the other hand has been vindicated having been raised to life in heaven. Christians while in the flesh are therefore witnesses of Christ, as the bible consistently refers to them.
Who are Jehovah's Witnesses? The 144,000 AFTER they have been raised to life in heaven.

[shikinah]

This is what I've discerned for my studies of the bible regarding the above, that is who are Jehovah's Witnesses?
To begin, it is Jehovah decides who are his witnesses, and what it means to be his witness. While that statement may appear painfully obvious it important that one accepts this principle when seeking to answer the above question from the scriptures.
The scripture teach that when the Jews were freed from Babylonian exile and restored to the promised land, the generation that returned were Jehovah's Witnesses. They were the proof that Jehovah had vindicated himself regarding his promises involving their exile and restoration. However Isaiah 43:9-12 point to a greater fulfillment when "All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble" there are to be witnesses of Jehovah at that time also. Danial 7 and Revelation 4-6 describes the scenario- a heavenly court where Jehovah sits and Jesus marshals the evidence and those resurrected to life in heaven are the witnesses. They testify that all Jehovah has promised them and, involving them, has come true. Its at this time with Jehovah vindicated that the Holy ones are given the kingdom.
Until the full number of those chosen for heavenly life have been resurrected to heaven, Jehovah is not vindicated. Jesus on the other hand has been vindicated having been raised to life in heaven. Christians while in the flesh are therefore witnesses of Christ, as the bible consistently refers to them.
Who are Jehovah's Witnesses? The 144,000 AFTER they have been raised to life in heaven.

Again I agree with what you have stated, and after reading Isaiah this morning certain things have become clearer to me especially the greater fulfillment.


Jah Bless
Shikinah

[watchman]

This is what I've discerned for my studies of the bible regarding the above, that is who are Jehovah's Witnesses?
To begin, it is Jehovah decides who are his witnesses, and what it means to be his witness. While that statement may appear painfully obvious it important that one accepts this principle when seeking to answer the above question from the scriptures.
The scripture teach that when the Jews were freed from Babylonian exile and restored to the promised land, the generation that returned were Jehovah's Witnesses. They were the proof that Jehovah had vindicated himself regarding his promises involving their exile and restoration. However Isaiah 43:9-12 point to a greater fulfillment when "All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble" there are to be witnesses of Jehovah at that time also. Danial 7 and Revelation 4-6 describes the scenario- a heavenly court where Jehovah sits and Jesus marshals the evidence and those resurrected to life in heaven are the witnesses. They testify that all Jehovah has promised them and, involving them, has come true. Its at this time with Jehovah vindicated that the Holy ones are given the kingdom.
Until the full number of those chosen for heavenly life have been resurrected to heaven, Jehovah is not vindicated. Jesus on the other hand has been vindicated having been raised to life in heaven. Christians while in the flesh are therefore witnesses of Christ, as the bible consistently refers to them.
Who are Jehovah's Witnesses? The 144,000 AFTER they have been raised to life in heaven.

I would just make a minor correction in your post, Isaiah will be fulfilled after all the remaining holy ones are sealed, but before the remaining ones are raised up in the twinkling of an eye. They will first give the world a final witness to jehovah before they depart the earth via martyrdom.

watchman

[carib-jim]

I would just make a minor correction in your post, Isaiah will be fulfilled after all the remaining holy ones are sealed, but before the remaining ones are raised up in the twinkling of an eye. They will first give the world a final witness to jehovah before they depart the earth via martyrdom.

watchman

Thanks, I really appreciate your response. However I think we need to reflect on what Jehovah's means when he speaks about his witnesses and seek to get the sense of these things. I don't see the sealing and being Jehovah's Witnesses as necessarily the same thing.
Briefly, the witnessing the holy ones do on earth is witnessing for Christ, not Jehovah. Only after the holy ones are spirit beings AND are in heaven AND the court of Daniel chapter 7 is seated, then and only then and for eternity thereafter are the Holy Ones Jehovah's Witnesses.
As regards the passage in Isaiah, the passage in Daniel tells when it is fulfilled. It happens during the dominion of the eleventh horn or the eighth king of Revelation these being one and the same, when all the nations are gathered together for Armageddon. The Court being a heavenly court must sit in heaven, therefore those called to give their testimony must also be in heaven.
Also I would encourage all that are interested to do a search of the Greek Scriptures/New testament to find a single instance where Christians are referred to as witnesses of, for or to Jehovah. That the bible doesn't refer to Christians as such is not without reason.
If you can find an instance, then let me apologize now and thank you for pointing it out for me. God knows I can use all the help I can get.

[watchman]

Hi Carib-Jim

The book Jehovah Himself Has Become King (http://jehovah-has-become-king.com) delves into this matter fairly deeply. Particularly the chapter entitled The Parousia, as well as Daniel and Revelation. I see no need to repeat myself here.

watchman

[Utuna]

Thanks, I really appreciate your response. However I think we need to reflect on what Jehovah's means when he speaks about his witnesses and seek to get the sense of these things. I don't see the sealing and being Jehovah's Witnesses as necessarily the same thing.
Briefly, the witnessing the holy ones do on earth is witnessing for Christ, not Jehovah. Only after the holy ones are spirit beings AND are in heaven AND the court of Daniel chapter 7 is seated, then and only then and for eternity thereafter are the Holy Ones Jehovah's Witnesses.
As regards the passage in Isaiah, the passage in Daniel tells when it is fulfilled. It happens during the dominion of the eleventh horn or the eighth king of Revelation these being one and the same, when all the nations are gathered together for Armageddon. The Court being a heavenly court must sit in heaven, therefore those called to give their testimony must also be in heaven.
Also I would encourage all that are interested to do a search of the Greek Scriptures/New testament to find a single instance where Christians are referred to as witnesses of, for or to Jehovah. That the bible doesn't refer to Christians as such is not without reason.
If you can find an instance, then let me apologize now and thank you for pointing it out for me. God knows I can use all the help I can get.

Dear carib-jim,

At first, I'd like to welcome you on the board and to thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm sure that we'll learn from each other and from our mutual disagreements. ;)

Please read :

"We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. As substitutes for Christ we beg: “Become reconciled to God.” The one who did not know sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become God’s righteousness by means of him." - (2Cor5:20-21)

As said above, we are substitutes for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. Said otherwise, true Christians are Jehovah's witnesses just like Jesus was.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[FutureMan]

Dear carib-jim,

At first, I'd like to welcome you on the board and to thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm sure that we'll learn from each other and from our mutual disagreements. ;)

Please read :

"We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. As substitutes for Christ we beg: “Become reconciled to God.” The one who did not know sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become God’s righteousness by means of him." - (2Cor5:20-21)

As said above, we are substitutes for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us. Said otherwise, true Christians are Jehovah's witnesses just like Jesus was.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Jesus Christ is the word of God and as the word of God, he is testifying directly to his father's works and qualities as he stated to his disciples, if you see me you see the father.

So as Christians we are testifying to Christ and his works, preaching and teaching and miracles that he performed and ultimately his death and resurrection, of which he died for all mankind on a torture stake, pole.

(John 14:19-21) NIV
“Before long, the world will not see Me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves Me. He who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I too will love him and show Myself to him” .

(John 14) [LITV]
5 Thomas said to Him, Lord, we do not know where You go, and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you do know Him, and have seen Him.
8 And Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.
9 Jesus said to him, Am I so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one seeing Me has seen the Father! And how do you say, Show us the Father?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The Words which I speak to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me, He does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me; but if not, believe Me because of the works

[arimatthewdavies]

jehovahs witnesses are people that have come to recognize that the actions of jesus christ just arent in those other other denominations although some put up a good show,thats exactly what they have a theater! we serve jehovah and obey jesus as king because we just cant stomach counterfeit worship in our own lives,and we want to see people live forever like god intended, not siting around talking about going up to heaven and leaving earth! isnt that what the devil did before he got kicked out?