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Tsaphah
02-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Was the Egyptian Boy King known as Tutankhamen, the son of pharaoh, that died the night of the first passover? Recent DNA and CT scans claim that he died from complications from a broken leg and malaria. Experts, and I use the word lightly, also claim that he died about 3,300 years ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_king_tut
I also love the way they portray the dates. No mention that they are guesses. Not even with the ca for circa, that should be used to indicate it means about or around, not an exact year. After all, they are experts and should be familiar with the use of Latin, in their "scientific endeavors".

I don’t accept any of these so called experts claims to dating. For example, a recent article on the potters wheel dates it as having been invented between “about 6,000 BCE and 2,400 BCE.” It doesn’t take a mathematician to see that is a period of 3,600 years. Would you believe me if I gave a date of the invention of the mechanical clock to be between 2,500 B.C.E. and 1,100 C.E. How about the invention of writing and the alphabet about 2,500 B.C.E. and 1,100 C.E. Would you believe any other dates that I give? But you must believe me because I’m an "expert" and "scholar" on these subjects.

“Many modern scholars suggest that it (the potters wheel) was first developed in Mesopotamia, although Egypt and China are also possible places of origin.” Well, which country is correct? I thought “scholars” knew all the answers. How does this scholarly system of dating work? First, you have a person who is given the distinction of being a renowned teacher. This is usually because he appears to have knowledge of certain subjects. If anyone challenges that knowledge, and can’t verify that it is incorrect, they are labeled as uneducated and foolish. Once the information is accepted, it becomes “written in stone.” From that time forward, anyone who speaks against this information is ridiculed and their information is not accepted as accurate. And, anyone who joins them in accepting their information are classed as foolish and uneducated. Example, Acts 2:5-13. The typical reaction is recorded in verse 13. Peter and John went on to explain what was happening. They were taken before the “scholars and notable religious leaders” and “Now when they beheld the outspokenness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were men unlettered and ordinary, they got to wondering. And they began to recognize about them that they used to be with Jesus;” (Ac 4:13) The results were, “Nevertheless, in order that it may not be spread abroad further among the people, let us tell them with threats not to speak anymore upon the basis of this name to any man at all.” (Ac 4:17)

The threats used today, among “scholars” is, never to receive recognition in any educational institution or “scholarly” organization. Their papers and articles will never be published or recognized, accepted, or used, or taught, in any of the educational institutions. That is why these dates and mis-information are perpetuated.

I have read information written by other people not considered "scholars" that, when the dates are adjusted by +200 years, they coincide with the time of the passover. This could possibly show that Tutankhamen, was the son of pharaoh, who died the night of the first passover. Tutankhamen never served as pharaoh of Egypt. He was never a King, he was only a king designate. His father was possibly, Akhenaten, the experts aren't sure of this. “The tests pointed to Pharaoh Akhenaten, who tried to revolutionize ancient Egyptian religion to worship one god, as Tut's father. His mother was one of Akhenaten's sisters, it said.”

But, the so called “scholars” wouldn’t want that to happen, would they? That would give credence to the Bible record, and show that the Exodus (ve-ale'-leh she-moth'=a going out, a way out) was a real true event and not a myth. That would not fit into their “theories”.

By moving the Egyptian date ca. 1,333 B.C.E., of pharaoh Akhenaten and Tut, to fit the Bible record (ca 1,533 B.C.E.), the other secular historical records fall into place. One fallacy that “experts and scholars” perpetuate is the name of the pharaoh of the Exodus, as being Ramses. This name appears only five times in the Hebrew scriptures. Each time, it is referring to a location and not a person. The word is actually Egyptian, rah-mes-ace', and has the meaning of “child of the sun”. This name appears once in Genesis (Ge 47:11), twice in Exodus (Ex 1:11; 12:37), and twice in Numbers (Nu 33:3, 5).

If we look at the archeological evidence found, for the secular history of the area of Canaan, Egyptian power and influence during that time is absent. Did you ever wonder why the secular history record is silent about Egyptian power during the conquest of Canaan by Israel? If the Egyptians were a world power at that time, would they sit idly by and allow the Israelites to conquer the land of Canaan? I don't think that would be the case.

Tsaphah

Utuna
02-16-2010, 11:33 PM
Dear Tsaphah,

I have a book at home (written by Maurice Bucaille, the scientist who led the examination of Merenptah's mummy in 1974), haven't read it in extenso yet, that says that many details indicate that the Pharaoh who died in the red sea is the successor of Ramsès II, Merenptah.

Click here (http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/merenptah.htm) for more information (The French (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9renptah) Wiki article on Merenptah is much more detailed than the English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah) one. It says that the mummy has multiple and severe traumas like cranial traumas, staved-in chest and many other wounds compatible with Pharaoh's fate in the biblical account). But scholars don't all agree on the same causes of Merenptah's death.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Tsaphah
02-17-2010, 01:27 AM
It says that the mummy has multiple and severe traumas like cranial traumas, staved-in chest and many other wounds compatible with Pharaoh's fate in the biblical account). But scholars don't all agree on the same causes of Merenptah's death.

How would he get those types of injuries from drowning? I wonder how his body could float to the surface, with the body armor that he likely wore. Or if it didn't float to the surface, how did the other Egyptian warriors recover the body, to be embalmed and put into the sarcophagus. Of course, that is if, a big IF, Menenptah was the pharaoh of the Exodus.

Tsaphah

Utuna
02-17-2010, 10:55 AM
How would he get those types of injuries from drowning? I wonder how his body could float to the surface, with the body armor that he likely wore. Or if it didn't float to the surface, how did the other Egyptian warriors recover the body, to be embalmed and put into the sarcophagus. Of course, that is if, a big IF, Menenptah was the pharaoh of the Exodus.

Tsaphah



Dear Tsaphah,

Each year, in the South-East of France, there are many forest fires during the summer. One year, an accident occured because a Canadair (http://toiles.volantes.free.fr/images/Canadair/canadair_prepa_03.jpg) pilot mistakenly dropped the water (6 000 litres/ 1 500 US Gal) above a couple of firefighters who were below on the ground. They were killed !

The Bible says :

"At length the sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on dry land, while the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left." - (Ex14:22)

If men can be killed by just 1 500 gallons falling upon them, I guess that a whole sea might have more devastating effects. Several millions of tons of water might not just get you drown and leave you intact. The X-ray pictures of the wounds examined by the doctor Bucaille indicate that some (skull, chest) of them weren't post mortem and, of course, might have been the cause of death. Furthermore, the embalming process of the body didn't require such damages as, for example, the brain was commonly removed through the nose (if holes were done, sure that they didn't cause severe traumas as found). Do you remember the movie Titanic ? When the ship sinks and sucks everything down with it with powerful back waters and swirls, the same might have happened with the Egyptian army being taken in tremendously powerful swirls crushing and crashing the bodies, the chariots and the equipment against the ground or against each other.

Merenptah, because of his father's exceptional longevity (please compare with Moses' age when he came back to Egypt), began his reign late in life and didn't reign long. He was old, short and obese. Thanks to Archimedes' principle, we know that just like dead whales float on the surface, Merenptah might have risen to the surface a few hours or a few days after his death. As Pharaoh was considered as a living god, I doubt that the priests and his family would have left him long in the sea or on the seashore (Ex14:30).

Of course, they are hypothesis only but the arguments presented are interesting.

I'm sure that you have read the following on the page I provided for more information :


Israel is wasted, bare of seed: what does the destruction of nomadic people who have no land, and their seed mean?
If the Stela is taken literally, how can the seeds be destroyed? It's more practical to destroy the plants and vegetation not the seeds
Obviously their "seed" is their "Male Offspring", thus bringing a destruction to their future!, while benefiting from the slave labor in the near future

It's a very interesting interpretation.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Jahsdisciple
02-17-2010, 09:12 PM
As a side point,there was a DNA test done on Tut just recently and it was found he died of Malaria. Also,it was noted that he was the son of his mother and her brother. He needed walking sticks to help him walk because of deformities probably caused by his incestious parents.

They lived next to and worshiped the Nile,but it killed them either by malaria or also by worms that lived in the mud of the river. If someone walked into the river,then the worm would enter their body via the feet. They at the time didnt know this,but it causes serious health problems including severe fatigue.

This explains why death masks etc have ideal portrayals of face and bodies..they longed for better health because most had health problems caused by the Nile. It also explains why they longed for the 'after life' as the current life was filled with health problems.

As for dying on passover,since he likely died before his parents,you would need to ask his mummy..she would know.

Utuna
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
Dear JD,

Who was Tut's father ? Who was Tut's mother ? We thought it was his father's wife but his mother was in reality his aunt now called the "young lady" because we still ignore who she really is... so many mysteries, so many twists and turns !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SBbGOxoRg

This time, the americans will never win the Egyptians when it comes to endless TV series. :p The first episode is said to have started just ca. 3 600 years ago and it's still to be continued... ;)

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Jahsdisciple
02-18-2010, 09:20 PM
The first episode is said to have started just ca. 3 600 years ago and it's still to be continued...

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

I thought it was some sort of pyramid scheme...