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Utuna
02-22-2010, 12:12 PM
Dear all,

Here is an interview (http://www.pauljorion.com/blog/) of Paul Jorion.

Banks, surgical measures are needed.

Did the banks learn the lesson ?

No. But why should they learn anything since they're allowed to behave according to the same framework than before ? Since the very start of the crisis, they didn't receive any real guidelines, and now we're surprised that they relapse into the same vice ! None of the banks will take the initiative to reform the system. They are business companies, no one can blame them for desiring to make money.

Does it mean that the States have been too gentle with the financial institutions ?

The States contented themselves to frown, to take symbolic measures, just so that their public opinion be satisfied. But, in reality, these measures didn't have a real impact. The setting hasn't changed.

Weren't measures of supervision and regulation voted anyway...

First of all, the majority of them, like the separation, in the USA, of banking activities, haven't come into force yet. Secondly, said measures are just superficial and tackle the problem from the wrong side.

What is your advice ?

I was lucky enough to work in finance. That's why I advocate surgical measures. Since 2007, I've been making a proposition that scares the bankers : the ban of bets over price fluctuations.

Which means ?

Today, many financial products are misused. At the inception, they allowed those who used them to receive protection, for a fee, against the fluctuations, for instance, of a market or of raw materials. Those tools have protective functions which must be kept and even fostered. But their use should be restricted against certain people who come just to speculate and make money. When you allow everyone to make bets, you contribute in destabilizing the system.

According to you, the economy seems to have become a casino...

Yes, it is really a casino ! The size changed because of the crisis but the rules keep being the same.

Weren't the European banks wiser than their US peers ?

Far from it ! Dominique Strauss-Kahn himself admitted, just a few weeks ago, that huge losses were still hidden in the assessments and that the proportion was higher in Europe than in the USA.

The economic growth seems to pick up again. Is the crisis behind us ?

This recovery is jobless, just a statistical upturn : the firms build up again their stocks. Only the Stock Exchange and the banks seem to be better off, but it won't last.

Why are you so pessimistic ?

Two time bombs are looming. First, the debt of the States. In 2010, the USA alone will need to borrow $1 700 Mds from the markets. They'll have to compete with all the other countries and big firms. As there's not enough money for all, the weakest States will have to offer higher interest rates, which will weaken them more. The other bomb is more predictable : that's the US business real estate - offices, hotels and other touristic resorts. They were built thanks to loans. However, in 2012, many loans will arrive to due date. Other funds will be needed, but who will provide them whereas the value of those constructions never ceased to depreciate because of the crisis ? Firms will collapse and with them thousands of small and medium-sized banks that financed them. It'll be a slaughter.


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As the words used in the text are really specific and as my knowledge of the English financial and banking jargon is ridiculous, sorry for any prospective mistakes or mistranslations.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Utuna
02-22-2010, 02:15 PM
Dear all,

Here is the translation of the article (http://www.pauljorion.com/blog/?p=4539) about which I had talked in the thread about Larouche.

Small and medium sized US banks, why it'll be worse this time.

I'm going to give a short answer to the question asked just a few minutes ago by Olivier Béru.

Question : Have you seen that the 115th bank bankruptcy has occurred in the USA ?
Here (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/10-30-09-Bank-Failures.gif) is the records since 2008.
But I have a question : when we have a look at the records (http://www.pro-at.com/modules/fckeditor/UserFiles/image/Roque/2008_12_14/1_FDIC.jpg) since 1934, we notice that the 1988-1989 crisis was far more destructive. Why is the situation worst now than in 1988 ? Is it because the bankruptcies affected then small institutions with, as a consequence, smaller losses (couldn't retrieve the loss records) ?
Here (http://www2.fdic.gov/hsob/HSOBSummaryRpt.asp?BegYear=1934&EndYear=2009&State=1) is the list.

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Answer : The peak appearing at the end of the 80' corresponds to massive bankruptcies of the Savings & Loans, the US savings banks. Specialised in mortgages, student loans and car loans, they used short-term funds (mainly coming from deposits and Certificates of Deposit) in order to finance short and medium term loans (30 years for a mortgage in the USA). Of course, the tactic works only if the short rates are lower than the long rates, allowing the loaner to bag the difference. The Savings & Loans didn't stand the levelling of the rates curb : the difference between the long rates, according to which they were lending, and the short rates, according to which they remunerated the deposits, became too thin for due profitability.

In 1989, the US government decided to tackle the problem : it organized real bankruptcies among a state-owned institution : the Resolution Trust Corporation. The evil was rooted out : by then, the rescue of the savings banks costed $190 Mds to the US tax payer.

Today, small and medium sized business banks are at stake. They specialized themselves into business mortgages : offices, hotels, malls, new projects of touristic resorts, etc. All the firms that received their funds from them need customers to make a living : if, at a pinch, the economy can content itself with a jobless economic recovery, that's not the case for those specific loans : those borrowers need that people come and spend their money if they want to pay off their debts.

So far, as we already know it, the problem hasn't been tackled seriously : they're quibbling and shilly-shallying, modifying the rules of accountancy so that the losses don't appear now but later (The same was done when the Savings and Loans crisis started). Here is the lastest measure which gives a hint of the general mood : We learnt on last Saturday that "federal regulators of the banking sector have published guidelines enabling the banks to make mention of the credits on their assessment as "competitive" even though the value of their subjacent properties is below the amount of the loan". (Wall Street Journal)

Thus, we're in a rising phase during which we let the gangrene spread, saying : "Time will tell how far we reach". Within 5 years, we'll have to amputate and it all will cost much more than the tiny $190 Mds of 1989.


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That article is dated November, 2nd 2009.

As the words used in the text are really specific and as my knowledge of the English financial and banking jargon is ridiculous, sorry for any prospective mistakes or mistranslations.

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

elihu
02-28-2010, 08:09 PM
Hi Utuna,

what a mess the financial world is in!
the best way for me to really get a understanding of what is really happening is to simplify to a simpler level.

the banking world has gambled the investments and savings of people on global casino roulette wheel and they have lost.
they left casino broke and demanded that Government (tax payers) bail them out, or else financial doomsday would occur.

the government has obliged by creating more debt, and guess what the bankers, like any addicted gambler are back at the casino.
will they win? no way! because the one who runs the casino and is causing all of this is a spirit creature hell bend on destroying mankind.
so it is only a matter of time before they return with their pockets turned inside out.

its finished

elihu

FutureMan
03-01-2010, 03:05 AM
Hi Utuna,

what a mess the financial world is in!
the best way for me to really get a understanding of what is really happening is to simplify to a simpler level.

the banking world has gambled the investments and savings of people on global casino roulette wheel and they have lost.
they left casino broke and demanded that Government (tax payers) bail them out, or else financial doomsday would occur.

the government has obliged by creating more debt, and guess what the bankers, like any addicted gambler are back at the casino.
will they win? no way! because the one who runs the casino and is causing all of this is a spirit creature hell bend on destroying mankind.
so it is only a matter of time before they return with their pockets turned inside out.

its finished

elihu

Yes Elihu, that is a good analysis of the world's current financial situation.

Of as we all know here it is all summed up with one word, and that is GREED, greed, greed, three times for emphasis.

Utuna
03-01-2010, 07:42 AM
Yes Elihu, that is a good analysis of the world's current financial situation.

Of as we all know here it is all summed up with one word, and that is GREED, greed, greed, three times for emphasis.


Dear Futureman,

You're so right !

Greed is the only word that sums up their motives and behaviour and greed will lead this world to its end.

As if the passengers of the sinking Titanic were looting the cabins or the luxurious lounges whereas there's no rowboats left. They are going to sink with the ship, with their pockets crammed with money and valuable things...

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton