The 666 Identified

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
I have just posted a you tube video which identifies the number 666.

Bill
PS. Thank you Jehovah.

[watchman]

Whatever spirits from above are channeling that stuff down to you, you would be best advised to change the channel.

watchman

[Eyes & Ears]

whatever spirits from above are channeling that stuff down to you, you would be best advised to change the channel.

Watchman


Thank you and may I say Amen. I was just a tad concerned even though I had no intentions of
viewing that stuff.


E & E

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Isn't this interesting.
When I post some bible interpretation on a non-denominational Christian site,
or even with people who know little or nothing about the Bible,
the response is usually some form of intellectual curiosity and/or altering views.

But JW's and former JW's reactions are almost entirely and consistently
senseless, intolerant, degrading, humiliating, and ridicule when an idea is presented
which does no operate within their narrow peripheral point of view,
these one's becoming the very thing which they claim to despise.
At least I can offer something to these individuals,
an "A" grade in Hypocritical Theocracy, or Hypocritical Atheism, which ever happens to apply.

Here is the first reply on you tube, to the video-

"I am not a man of any religion, so therefore I cannot dispute nor deny what you have shown, but it sure does make me want to read more... You make me want to read "the book" so I may actually form my own opinions on the topic.
Where do you find the time Mr. G... I know how many things you are into... and I am impressed... Good point made, I hope to understand."

Second reply-
" I'm very impressed by you too... and all the videos you do! I think it's pretty awesome that you've got a man of no religion wanting to read the book as well! That'sreally all God wants us to do."

From Prophesy Talk-
"that was cool mrgalleria......interesting for me....."
and
"would that be 2/3 now, or at the end of ALL THINGS?
If you look at everything being reduced by thirds, how much "flesh" can there really be at the end of ALL THINGS to save?"

Oh, and have a nice day.

[panda]

I agree, but just out of curiosity what site did you post this on.

:confused:

[uglyandthin]

Alo ha,
Isn't this interesting.
When I post some bible interpretation on a non-denominational Christian site,
or even with people who know little or nothing about the Bible,
the response is usually some form of intellectual curiosity and/or altering views.

But JW's and former JW's reactions are almost entirely and consistently
senseless, intolerant, degrading, humiliating, and ridicule when an idea is presented
which does no operate within their narrow peripheral point of view,
these one's becoming the very thing which they claim to despise.
At least I can offer something to these individuals,
an "A" grade in Hypocritical Theocracy, or Hypocritical Atheism, which ever happens to apply.

Here is the first reply on you tube, to the video-

"I am not a man of any religion, so therefore I cannot dispute nor deny what you have shown, but it sure does make me want to read more... You make me want to read "the book" so I may actually form my own opinions on the topic.
Where do you find the time Mr. G... I know how many things you are into... and I am impressed... Good point made, I hope to understand."

Second reply-
" I'm very impressed by you too... and all the videos you do! I think it's pretty awesome that you've got a man of no religion wanting to read the book as well! That'sreally all God wants us to do."

From Prophesy Talk-
"that was cool mrgalleria......interesting for me....."
and
"would that be 2/3 now, or at the end of ALL THINGS?
If you look at everything being reduced by thirds, how much "flesh" can there really be at the end of ALL THINGS to save?"

Oh, and have a nice day.

Hi Mr. G:

Some say that the number of the beast is actually 616 and not 666. What do you know about that.

uglyandthin

[Anthony]

It’s simple; anyone that actually entertain such interpretations, obviously lack sound judgment, good sense, and the intellect to recognize or apprehend, pure nonsense.

Where as others who are lead by spirit are able to discern and turn away from such nonsense.

[mrgalleria]

Alo ha,
Rev. 9:16- "And the number of the armies of cavalry was two myriads of myriads:
I heard the number of them."
Rev. 20:8-9 "...The number of these is as the sand of the sea.
And they advanced over the breadth of the earth...'
Rev. 13:18- "...the number of the wild beast, for it is a man's number;
and it's number is very great."

Read this way, there is no longer any mystery to the understanding.
But God had John add a great riddle to this prophesy, because Jesus and God
had sealed up the understanding of Revelation until the last day, Jesus day (Rev. 1:10, Rev. 6:1).
By providing this simple riddle, it also gives God the opportunity to reveal His true prophets.

We know that 333 or .333 are used to find a third of a number, just as 666 or .666 denotes 2/3.
For example, .666 x 100= 66.6, or 2/3. .666 x 7 = 4.662 (4,662,000,000).
Approx. number of those who receive the mark of the wild beast- 4,662,000,000.
This is good news, and bad news. It is not scary like the common pictures with the devil and 666.
But it is really even worse, contemplating over 4 billion deaths.
Still, many teach and believe that the ones who will live through Armageddon
was a much smaller number than over 2 billion. So again, as so many times before,
I find this interpretation very confidence providing.
Bill

[mrgalleria]

"Professor David C. Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_C._Parker), Professor of New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament) Textual Criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_Criticism) and Paleography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleography) at the University of Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Birmingham), thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original."

"THINKS" is not knows.

[elihu]

It’s simple; anyone that actually entertain such interpretations, obviously lack sound judgment, good sense, and the intellect to recognize or apprehend, pure nonsense.

Where as others who are lead by spirit are able to discern and turn away from such nonsense.

pretty cutting stuff from persons who believed the 1914, 1918 wto interpretations and who were part of an organisation who labelled as apostate those who did not hold to their interpretations.

and so i judge no-one now but wait to see.

elihu

[uglyandthin]

"Professor David C. Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_C._Parker), Professor of New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament) Textual Criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_Criticism) and Paleography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleography) at the University of Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Birmingham), thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original."

"THINKS" is not knows.

Hi Mr. G:

So which is it, the number 616 or 666? Understandably, 666 is much more "spooky" in nature and does make you stand up and take notice, but I "think" 616 is the number used in the oldest manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts known. Could the original 616 have been changed by the keepers of the manuscripts, the Catholic Church because they have always ruled thier people by fear and mystery and of course 666 is both more fear inspiring and mysterious than 616 could ever be. And what is in a number. Could it be a countdown type of a number, such as the number of days that the beast will have to enforce their "mark" before thier destruction? Kind of like God is saying to the beast, your days are numbered? Just a thought. I don't "know" if it's true, but it is just as likely as your scenario, you know.

uglyandthin

[FutureMan]

Hi Mr. G:

So which is it, the number 616 or 666? Understandably, 666 is much more "spooky" in nature and does make you stand up and take notice, but I "think" 616 is the number used in the oldest manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts known. Could the original 616 have been changed by the keepers of the manuscripts, the Catholic Church because they have always ruled thier people by fear and mystery and of course 666 is both more fear inspiring and mysterious than 616 could ever be. And what is in a number. Could it be a countdown type of a number, such as the number of days that the beast will have to enforce their "mark" before thier destruction? Kind of like God is saying to the beast, your days are numbered? Just a thought. I don't "know" if it's true, but it is just as likely as your scenario, you know.

uglyandthin

In my opinion this argument of whether the number is "616" or "666" is futile, as this is a symbolic number as is most of the book of Revelation.
Now this understanding Bill has put forward, might not be so much of the mark, as it inadvertably will represent a large number who will have the "mark of the wild beast", who will be in opposition to God's Kingdom.

Now some of us here know that this is exactly the number mentioned in regards to King Solomon's wealth.

Here is a quotation from the Internet that I gleaned about this.

(QUOTE)
So the number "666" is an allusion to the Old Testament that can be found in 2 Chronicles 9:13. Can someone look that up and tell me who it refers to? The answer is Solomon and 666 is the number of talents of gold he collected annually as tribute. A talent weighs 75 pounds (34.09 kilos)! At US$400 per ounce, that's over US$300 million dollars a year.(End of QUOTE)

This is quoted from this site that I have listed the link to here.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3354

Now it appears to me that this number is possibly related to money and wealth and fits in with the prophecy mentioned in (Revelation 13)

14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the signs which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the beast who has the wound of the sword, and lived.
15 And was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
17 even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.
18 Here is wisdom: Let the one having reason count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and its number is six hundred and sixty six. [LITV]

[FutureMan]

Also I might mention on this subject of the "mark of the wild beast", that this number is also connected to the Image that king Nebuchadnezzar set up for all in his administration to worship.

(Quote)
The height of the image was 60 cubits, the breadth was six cubits and six musical instruments were used to summon the people to worship .(End of Quote)

Quoted from this site.

http://www.wordworx.co.nz/6syndrom.html

[mrgalleria]

Quote- "but it is just as likely as your scenario, you know."

Alo ha,
No, sorry, I do not know.
Because what you call "your scenario", it is not.
I did not figure this out. I was not even trying to understand it.
I was just reading it, and the interpretation was revealed.
If I was just guessing, or just thinking I had figured it out,
then it is true your scenario would be as likely as mine.

Quote- "The answer is Solomon and 666 is the number of talents of gold
he collected annually as tribute."

What an interesting concept. 666 was the tribute, or tax, which was paid.
Could this have a parallel meaning at the end, in that those who take the mark,
pay with their life?

Quote- "this number is also connected to the Image that king Nebuchadnezzar set up'

Again, you are wandering.
Because I used two other verses in Revelation that mention "the number of".
We always need to take into account the terminology used by the writer,
which identifies him and what he writes.
Anyone who ignores these facts is going to end up off track.
The more time you waste avoiding the truth,
the more time you lose- expanding a real understanding.
What do you want?

Bill

[arimatthewdavies]

whats with all the numbers in the bible anyway? 666,777 3, 12,144000, 7, and the best mathametician alive have no clue as to how those numbers stack up, why would jehovah give us a bunch of numbers with no conclusive answer? entertainment! something for us to do while we argue in the backseat like kids while jesus drives the car.brothers/sisters we have been fiddle faddleing with the numbers for how many years? and come up with hundreds of predictions and stuff suposed to happen on a certain date,please now answer truthfully how many have been right? i gave up a long time ago trying to figure out all the numbers. dosent the bible say you must not consult a forteller of events? we are siting here waiting for armagedon not realizing we are armagedon! we are gods final war between good and evil,yes the day could come any minute when god says enough and finishs the whole battle with such a quick decisive end that everyone will stand gaping with their mouths open! huh? the wicked all vanished along with satan and the demons, all the while men and scolars alike did their 666s and awaited this horrible unmistakeable great tribulation to asure them that its end game for sure.dont count on it! the bible tells us that it will be just like knoahs day bussines as usual!till the flood came. how is it that we dont beleive that? we keep looking for it to get worse, it is worse, its so bad good solid jehovahs witnesses can not see it at least most of us.. i know i must sound like a noisey clanging bell but i would bet 1 billion dollars if i had it lol that 666 the number of a man refers too 100% wrong! no less no more. ok i will go back to sleep now and let somebody else talk.

[mrgalleria]

Interesting translation from The Message Bible-
Revelation 13:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:18&version=MSG)
"Solve a riddle: Put your heads together and figure out the meaning of the number of the Beast.
It's a human number: 666."

For those who have not tried it, this web site has amazing Bible search options,
from many Bibles, even in different languages-
http://www.biblegateway.com/
I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
Bill

[arimatthewdavies]

oh no! did you hear? the people that translated 666 forgot to take into acount the upsidedown left to right inversion factor so its not 666 its 999 ahhhhhh!

[mrgalleria]

And 3 1/2 is half of seven!

[Utuna]

whats with all the numbers in the bible anyway? 666,777 3, 12,144000, 7, and the best mathametician alive have no clue as to how those numbers stack up, why would jehovah give us a bunch of numbers with no conclusive answer? entertainment! something for us to do while we argue in the backseat like kids while jesus drives the car.brothers/sisters we have been fiddle faddleing with the numbers for how many years? and come up with hundreds of predictions and stuff suposed to happen on a certain date,please now answer truthfully how many have been right? i gave up a long time ago trying to figure out all the numbers. dosent the bible say you must not consult a forteller of events? we are siting here waiting for armagedon not realizing we are armagedon! we are gods final war between good and evil,yes the day could come any minute when god says enough and finishs the whole battle with such a quick decisive end that everyone will stand gaping with their mouths open! huh? the wicked all vanished along with satan and the demons, all the while men and scolars alike did their 666s and awaited this horrible unmistakeable great tribulation to asure them that its end game for sure.dont count on it! the bible tells us that it will be just like knoahs day bussines as usual!till the flood came. how is it that we dont beleive that? we keep looking for it to get worse, it is worse, its so bad good solid jehovahs witnesses can not see it at least most of us.. i know i must sound like a noisey clanging bell but i would bet 1 billion dollars if i had it lol that 666 the number of a man refers too 100% wrong! no less no more. ok i will go back to sleep now and let somebody else talk.

Dear AMD,

I agree with the gist of what you said.

Many Bible students waste their time scrutinizing details whereas they miss out the whole message of the Bible.

The keys are in the understanding of the whole picture, of the whole reasoning, not in trivial details or in basic associations of ideas. God's prophecies in Rv have a grand purpose and weren't written for the sake of it and particularly not to entertain skilled mathematicians. God's ways are utterly higher than what our mere human logic can grasp.

Furthermore, please read :

"Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." - (1John4:1)

It would be very presumptuous to claim having solved biblical riddles thanks to a revelation from God's Spirit without having tested it and having been proved right by all of Christ's anointed brothers. That's the trap into which the GB fell and doesn't want to go out. Anointed ones have God's Holy Spirit in them and can understand at once what others will spend years searching in vain.

As a result, I think that Robert's comment is pregnant with meaning...

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[mrgalleria]

"As a result, I think that Robert's comment is pregnant with meaning..."

9 months along, will it give birth to the anti-Christ?

[Eyes & Ears]

Hi Tuna,

You said:

"Many Bible students waste their time scrutinizing details whereas they miss out the whole message of the Bible."



E & E: I think the above point is so very important. At least to me it is.
It took me many years to understand what you expressed above Tuna.
But once Jehovah's Spirit teaches you how to separate and piece, the
main points together to get the whole picture/purpose it makes
studying his Word and understanding it much more enjoyable, and it
draws you closer to Jehovah, it is easier to retain/recall and connect
that to me is the purpose. To get the whole picture/message. Lots of
details will be opened later.


"The keys are in the understanding of the whole picture, of the whole reasoning, not in trivial details or in basic associations of ideas. God's prophecies in Rv have a grand purpose and weren't written for the sake of it and particularly not to entertain skilled mathematicians. God's ways are utterly higher than what our mere human logic can grasp."

E & E: I also agree with what you express above. Sometimes we find people we talk to hung up on little meaningless details and they want to put them under a spiritual microscope (so to speak )and ask all sorts of silly questions. (2 Tim 2:23, Titus 3:9) The focus on the main issues gets lost in all the nonsensical rehetoric or showy display of their so called intellect or words, and they may never come to the understanding of something which may be quite basic scripturally. (Daniel 12:4). My opinion and thoughts.

Good to hear from you Tuna, hope all is well.

E & E

[Utuna]

E & E: I also agree with what you express above. Sometimes we find people we talk to hung up on little meaningless details and they want to put them under a spiritual microscope (so to speak )and ask all sorts of silly questions. (2 Tim 2:23, Titus 3:9) The focus on the main issues gets lost in all the nonsensical rehetoric or showy display of their so called intellect or words, and they may never come to the understanding of something which may be quite basic scripturally. (Daniel 12:4). My opinion and thoughts.



Hi E&E,

Yes, you're right ! and it's in accordance with Jesus' denunciation of the Pharisees' wicked deeds.
Please read :

"Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!" - (Mat23:24)

and Paul's words :

"And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." - (1Cor13:2)

So many so-called teachers and shepherds think that they are something whereas they are nothing... Their lack of love and of understanding is so glaring !

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[FutureMan]

Hi E&E,

So many so-called teachers and shepherds think that they are something whereas they are nothing... Their lack of love and of understanding is so glaring !

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"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

An Amen to that Utuna :cool:

[arimatthewdavies]

here is an interesting fact about 666 their is a parchment relic writen by john shaped like a dragon, it was discovered quite by accident that at 666 milametters from the nose of the dragon the roman word for nero apears veticaly, this confirms what scientists have beleived for some time nero a very bad roman is onley a single man who has a numerical 666 for a name their are many others and quite a few related by blood[part of the same familey through history] and all of them brought about bloody terror to christiens! it is now speculated that john was telling us to be specialy alert to men with 666 numerical names dureing the last days....their are several online 666 calculators have a little fun seeing who of our prominent religious,and political leaders are part of the 666 club, pay close attention how 666 concentrates in, the un,in the us congress, and in certain religious firms who i wont name, i have to ask myself after i did it,
christ has body made up of godly men. does satan therefore also have a body that can be recognised by 666 named leaders?

[mrgalleria]

Quotes- "Whatever spirits from above are channeling that stuff down to you, you would be best advised to change the channel."
"Thank you and may I say Amen. I was just a tad concerned even though I had no intentions of
viewing that stuff."
" It’s simple; anyone that actually entertain such interpretations, obviously lack sound judgment, good sense, and the intellect to recognize or apprehend, pure nonsense. Where as others who are lead by spirit are able to discern and turn away from such nonsense."
"Kind of like God is saying to the beast, your days are numbered? Just a thought. I don't "know" if it's true, but it is just as likely as your scenario, you know."
"Now it appears to me that this number is possibly related to money and wealth and fits in with the prophecy mentioned in (Revelation 13)"




Zechariah 13:8, 9 ""And it must occur in all the land," is the utterance of Jehovah,
"that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part,
it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire;
and I shall certainly refine them as in the refining of silver...".