The Red Horse

[Steadfast]

Dear Friends,

In view of the fact that the great tribulation of Revelation might be 3-1/2 years or 7 years long, I've been pondering how the red horse would fit into such a time scenario.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Love,
Steadfast



The Red Horse


Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace (eirene) from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

G1515 – Greek eirene - (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication prosperity: - one, peace, quietness, rest, + set at one again.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1515


a state of national tranquillity

exemption from the rage and havoc of war


peace between individuals, i.e. harmony, concord
security, safety, prosperity, felicity, (because peace and harmony make and keep things safe and prosperous)
of the Messiah's peace

the way that leads to peace (salvation)


of Christianity, the tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and content with its earthly lot, of whatsoever sort that is
the blessed state of devout and upright men after death

Christianity has failed miserably. The record is an abomination. Since the first century, it has become tarnished with false doctrine and blood-stained with the blood of men. It has been measured and found wanting.

Therefore God will permit the ride of the 4 horsemen to cleanse and refine those who claim to be Christians.

Will they stand or fall? Will they take the mark of the beast or not?

This may be what the great tree of Daniel 4 pictures. The 'kingdom' of Christianity is cut-down and the foliage ripped off and the animals and birds who found refuge in it are scattered to the wilderness. The root-stock of it is left in the earth…banded in copper to protect it, so at the proper time, when the bands are removed, the cleansed 'Kingdom' will sprout: First the 144,000, and afterwards those who join them.

This true kingdom will not be led by some False Satanic Messiah (Nebuchadnezzar), but the True Messiah, Jesus Christ.

The remnant of the 144,000 are not part of this destructive cleansing as it is they who are commissioned to preach the final message in sackcloth, which in this case, represents mourning and a call to repentance, not only by Christians but also the world.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.

This is not to say that the Christian 'denominations' will be destroyed. Satan is too clever for that. He has mounted a campaign to infiltrate and control Christianity from within, under the guise of 'new light.' This 'new light' is New Age theology.

The churches will not be a safe place during the great trib as it is the 'Christian' churches and the pagan temples that will be used for their New Age, Satanic initiations. Those who stay in them will be putting themselves in danger.

Take to heart what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be delivered.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be condemned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This deceit started in Paul's day with Simon Magus, and will reach its final manifestation and overwhelming crescendo during the rule of this False Messiah…this antichrist who sat himself in the temple of God.

So, there is no safety but under the sheltering wings of Jehovah God and his Son, and if Jehovah's Witnesses think they are exclusively God's house, they are living a delusion themselves.

When the blind lead the blind, they both will fall into the pit.

[FutureMan]

Dear Friends,

In view of the fact that the great tribulation of Revelation might be 3-1/2 years or 7 years long, I've been pondering how the red horse would fit into such a time scenario.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Love,
Steadfast



The Red Horse


Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace (eirene) from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

G1515 – Greek eirene - (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication prosperity: - one, peace, quietness, rest, + set at one again.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1515


a state of national tranquillity

exemption from the rage and havoc of war


peace between individuals, i.e. harmony, concord
security, safety, prosperity, felicity, (because peace and harmony make and keep things safe and prosperous)
of the Messiah's peace

the way that leads to peace (salvation)


of Christianity, the tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and content with its earthly lot, of whatsoever sort that is
the blessed state of devout and upright men after death

Christianity has failed miserably. The record is an abomination. Since the first century, it has become tarnished with false doctrine and blood-stained with the blood of men. It has been measured and found wanting.

Therefore God will permit the ride of the 4 horsemen to cleanse and refine those who claim to be Christians.

Will they stand or fall? Will they take the mark of the beast or not?

This may be what the great tree of Daniel 4 pictures. The 'kingdom' of Christianity is cut-down and the foliage ripped off and the animals and birds who found refuge in it are scattered to the wilderness. The root-stock of it is left in the earth…banded in copper to protect it, so at the proper time, when the bands are removed, the cleansed 'Kingdom' will sprout: First the 144,000, and afterwards those who join them.

This true kingdom will not be led by some False Satanic Messiah (Nebuchadnezzar), but the True Messiah, Jesus Christ.

The remnant of the 144,000 are not part of this destructive cleansing as it is they who are commissioned to preach the final message in sackcloth, which in this case, represents mourning and a call to repentance, not only by Christians but also the world.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.

This is not to say that the Christian 'denominations' will be destroyed. Satan is too clever for that. He has mounted a campaign to infiltrate and control Christianity from within, under the guise of 'new light.' This 'new light' is New Age theology.

The churches will not be a safe place during the great trib as it is the 'Christian' churches and the pagan temples that will be used for their New Age, Satanic initiations. Those who stay in them will be putting themselves in danger.

Take to heart what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be delivered.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be condemned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This deceit started in Paul's day with Simon Magus, and will reach its final manifestation and overwhelming crescendo during the rule of this False Messiah…this antichrist who sat himself in the temple of God.

So, there is no safety but under the sheltering wings of Jehovah God and his Son, and if Jehovah's Witnesses think they are exclusively God's house, they are living a delusion themselves.

When the blind lead the blind, they both will fall into the pit.

Hello Steadfast, I enjoyed your post and it is quite thought provoking :cool:

[Molly]

Hello Steadfast-

I always enjoy your thought provoking posts, even when I don't always completely agree with them.

Whether Nebuchadnezzar's tree is all the 'kingdoms' (I assume denominations) of Christianity, I can't say, but it is an interesting thought. I do believe that all of Christendom will be under attack, not just JWs. All denominations, including JWs, are preaching lies and misinformation.

As you say, the denominations will be (or already have been) infiltrated with the false Messiah, which I can certainly see as being the New Age philosophies or a type of earth (Gaia) worship. I agree that there will be no toleration for any Bible truth. The 2 Witnesses (which I still consider the Law and the Prophets) will separate themselves (if they haven't already) from a variety of denominations (not just JWs) to preach an inspired message. It is not from their own personal understanding but the result of spirit that is poured out that they are able to preach the message.

World events appear to be in preparation for this scenerio as we speak. Personally, I am presently of the opinion that the 7 year period is correct because of the Jewish holidays, particularly the fall ones. Christ would begin actively ruling at the beginning of the 7 years by throwing Satan to the earth. Satan would attack the women but the earth would conceal her, but thwarted Satan would proceed to attack "the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus." (Rev 12:17 Peshitta) At the half holy spirit would be poured out and the 2 witnesses would preach for 1260 days. At this time they would be protected and have certain authority. (Rev. 11:5) At the end of the 7 years (or 2520 days) Christ would receive his bride. That would leave 75 days (1260-1335) until the dedication of the temple. Or, that's how I see it at this point.

As for when this all will happen, I think that the horses are saddled and ready. If the Climate Summit hadn't failed we might have already seen the first horseman ride as I think that it was a first step in promoting earth worship from a central United Nations position of authority. As for peace being removed, there has been a constant threat of war between Israel and Iran for the past couple years. The U.S. has been fomenting war on any stage it can for decades. I can't see where there has been any real peace in my lifetime, so whatever the red horse brings, it will be far more violent than anything we have seen to date.

Thought provoking subject. Thanks.

Molly

[Steadfast]

Whether Nebuchadnezzar's tree is all the 'kingdoms' (I assume denominations) of Christianity, I can't say, but it is an interesting thought.

Dear Sister,

As always, I appreciate your thoughts concerning application of scripture.

One thing that puzzles me about the tree is Daniel is Nebuchadnezzar's connection to it; a pagan king of Babylon. The other part that puzzles me is that the rootstock is left in the ground for a time, and when it is unbanded, it sprouts again. There is a similar verse in the Old Testament about this as well.

Love,

Steadfast

[SWORDOFJAH]

No doubt. The red horse of war continues its ferocious ride through the earth.

[FutureMan]

Hello Steadfast-

Whether Nebuchadnezzar's tree is all the 'kingdoms' (I assume denominations) of Christianity, I can't say, but it is an interesting thought. I do believe that all of Christendom will be under attack, not just JWs. All denominations, including JWs, are preaching lies and misinformation.

Molly

Hello Molly on this I do agree with you, I to think that all of those who call themselves Christians, will come under attack of the king of the north.
The original king of the north (Roman empire) attacked the literal Jerusalem where God's people who were originally the Jews were.

Of course at Jesus death, they became a rejected people as symbolized by the curtain in the temple being torn into two.

But still, the Christian Jews, the one who had accepted Jesus as their messiah, resided there.

If they did not want to share in her destruction and be taken captive, they had to flee the area of Judea altogether.

[FutureMan]

No doubt. The red horse of war continues its ferocious ride through the earth.

On this I also agree with you on this, that the red horse has being riding since the first world war and it's ride is getting more furious, what is to come, only time will tell, but the world is gearing up for another major war.
Whether world war three does come about remains to be seen.

[sir_chan]

The Red horse beginning its' ride with the first world war is not likely.

IF the red horse has begun its' ride then the 1st horse has also begun his. IF WWI was the beginning of the red horse, then what marked the ride of the first horse? 1914? The crowning of Jesus at the end of the 2520 years? That is not possible!

That isn't possible because Jesus wasn't crowned in 1914, he received his crown back in his day at his baptism when he was anointed & SEALED. He took possession of the crown when he was resurrected, just as the chosen will do as well. These scriptures prove it.


(Matthew 3:17) ....“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
(James 1:12) . . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .

King David foreshadowed this when he was anointed as well


(1Sa 16:12-13) “. . .Accordingly he sent and had him come. Now he was ruddy, a young man with beautiful eyes and handsome in appearance. Then Jehovah said: “Get up, anoint him, for this is he!” 13 Accordingly Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers. And the spirit of Jehovah began to be operative upon David from that day forward. . .” (as a side thought, I wonder if Saul prefigures the eighth King in some aspect as he does try to kill the anointed David)

(Eph 1:13-14) “. . .YOU were sealed with the promised holy spirit, 14 which is a token in advance of our inheritance. . .”

These scriptures show that King David, Jesus, and the anointed are sealed with holy spirit in ADVANCE of their inheritance, thus receiving Gods favor.

This alone proves that the first rider on the white horse CANNOT be Jesus Christ being crowned at 1914.

This would also make the ride of the 2nd horse not likely at WWI, for the first horse had not ridden yet. The same applies for WWII.

Revelations signs are in the Lords day. Bearing that in mind, if the Lords Day has not begun yet, then neither have the horses begun their rides yet.

IF the rider of the white horse is the crowning of the eighth king, then it is still obviously future and the Red horse has not begun the ride.

IF the rider of the white horse is the anointing & approval of the holy ones, then neither have they been crowned yet either, which also means the Red Horse has not begun riding.

The ride of the Red horse is contingent on the ride of the first white horse, and in all scenarios there has not been anything historically that resembles the riding of the white horse.

[truthseeker]

The Red horse beginning its' ride with the first world war is not likely.

IF the red horse has begun its' ride then the 1st horse has also begun his. IF WWI was the beginning of the red horse, then what marked the ride of the first horse? 1914? The crowning of Jesus at the end of the 2520 years? That is not possible!

That isn't possible because Jesus wasn't crowned in 1914, he received his crown back in his day at his baptism when he was anointed & SEALED. He took possession of the crown when he was resurrected, just as the chosen will do as well. These scriptures prove it.


(Matthew 3:17) ....“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
(James 1:12) . . .Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life. . .

King David foreshadowed this when he was anointed as well


(1Sa 16:12-13) “. . .Accordingly he sent and had him come. Now he was ruddy, a young man with beautiful eyes and handsome in appearance. Then Jehovah said: “Get up, anoint him, for this is he!” 13 Accordingly Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers. And the spirit of Jehovah began to be operative upon David from that day forward. . .” (as a side thought, I wonder if Saul prefigures the eighth King in some aspect as he does try to kill the anointed David)

(Eph 1:13-14) “. . .YOU were sealed with the promised holy spirit, 14 which is a token in advance of our inheritance. . .”

These scriptures show that King David, Jesus, and the anointed are sealed with holy spirit in ADVANCE of their inheritance, thus receiving Gods favor.

This alone proves that the first rider on the white horse CANNOT be Jesus Christ being crowned at 1914.

This would also make the ride of the 2nd horse not likely at WWI, for the first horse had not ridden yet. The same applies for WWII.

Revelations signs are in the Lords day. Bearing that in mind, if the Lords Day has not begun yet, then neither have the horses begun their rides yet.

IF the rider of the white horse is the crowning of the eighth king, then it is still obviously future and the Red horse has not begun the ride.

IF the rider of the white horse is the anointing & approval of the holy ones, then neither have they been crowned yet either, which also means the Red Horse has not begun riding.

The ride of the Red horse is contingent on the ride of the first white horse, and in all scenarios there has not been anything historically that resembles the riding of the white horse.

Sir-chan
Yes this line of reasoning makes sense; Ps 2:1,2 confirms-

Why have the nations been in tumult
And the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing?
2 The kings of earth take their stand
And high officials themselves have massed together as one
Against Jehovah and against his anointed one,

Cross-referencing – high officials themselves have massed together as one- “and we come up with”.

(Matthew 27:1) When it had become morning, all the chief priests and the older men of the people held a consultation against Jesus so as to put him to death.
(Mark 3:6) At that the Pharisees went out and immediately began holding council with the party followers of Herod against him, in order to destroy him.

truthseeker

[Steadfast]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Revelation 6 uses the word 'see' when referring to the emergence of the horses: "Come and see." This word see comes from the Greek G991 – blepo – A primary verb; to look at (literally or figuratively): - behold, beware, lie, look (on, to), perceive, regard, see, sight, take heed.

The word see could rightly be translated beware.

Referring to white, it is not always symbolic of purity and righteousness, as is seen in leprosy, where the hair is characteristically white. Under the Law, leprosy was the epitome of uncleanness. Compare:

Leviticus 13:3 And the priest shall look upon the plague in the skin of the flesh; and if the hair in the plague be turned white, and the appearance of the plague be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is the plague of leprosy; and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean. See also verses 20 and 25.

White can also be the color denoting victory. Apparently, many victorious warriors rode white horses as an emblem of their triumph. The questions beg to be asked: What kind of warrior is the first white horse rider? What kind of righteous warrior would begin to ride and bring war, famine, and death to the unsuspecting?

Some more interesting thoughts...

The bow is also a symbol of war and conquest. Some see here a reference to the feared Partians. They were well known for their archery skills. A Parthian shot still means a final, devastating blow, to which there is no possible answer.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_shot

"The Parthian shot was a military tactic famous by the Parthians, ancient Iranian people. The Parthian archers, mounted on light horse, would feign retreat; then, while at full gallop, turn their bodies back to shoot at the pursuing enemy. The maneuver required superb equestrian skills, since the rider's hands were occupied by his bow. As the stirrup had not been invented at the time of the Parthians, the rider relied solely on pressure from his legs to guide his horse.

"You wound, like Parthians, while you fly, And kill with a retreating eye." —Samuel Butler, An Heroical Epistle of Hudibras to His Lady (1678)

A notable battle in which this tactic was employed (by the Parthians) was the Battle of Carrhae. In this battle, the Parthian shot was a principle factor in the Parthian victory over the Roman general Crassus."

It could be suggested that the churches of Asia (the seven congregations in Revelation) were aware of the skill and reputation of the Parthian bowmen, thus the white horse rider could have served as a metaphor of military power and conquest.

Love,

Steadfast