How good is our love?

[FutureMan]

This story shows how some in the organization are not displaying the fruits of the spirit.

How is our love for our neighbor, are those who are vulnerable treated with care within the congregation?

Always on a Saturday: A JW Corpse 'Speaks' (http://alwaysonasaturday.blogspot.com/2009/08/jw-meets-undignified-end.html)

[SWORDOFJAH]

This story shows how some in the organization are not displaying the fruits of the spirit.

How is our love for our neighbor, are those who are vulnerable treated with care within the congregation?

Always on a Saturday: A JW Corpse 'Speaks' (http://alwaysonasaturday.blogspot.com/2009/08/jw-meets-undignified-end.html)

All this is in a way where the blogger give his opinions. Examples:

Hardly anyone of the Witnesses would drop by and visit her, and I could see in her heart the unspoken disappointment brought on by a failed promise. opinion


Even her rare appearances to the Kingdom Hall altogether ceased.opinion


During the last few weeks of her life, I believe she was just left rotting inside her room, with almost no attention from anyone.opinion

And the blogger goes on and on expressing his views.

JW'S care for their older members:

*** km 12/79 p. 3 par. 5 You Must Show Consideration for Older Persons ***

Lovingly caring for older members of the congregation and particularly our family members is a basic Christian principle that cannot be disregarded by those who love Jehovah. (Mark 7:10; 1*John 3:17, 18; 4:7, 8) All of us should demonstrate our loving concern for their physical and spiritual welfare.

[FutureMan]

All this is in a way where the blogger give his opinions. Examples:

Hardly anyone of the Witnesses would drop by and visit her, and I could see in her heart the unspoken disappointment brought on by a failed promise. opinion


Even her rare appearances to the Kingdom Hall altogether ceased.opinion


During the last few weeks of her life, I believe she was just left rotting inside her room, with almost no attention from anyone.opinion

And the blogger goes on and on expressing his views.

JW'S care for their older members:

*** km 12/79 p. 3 par. 5 You Must Show Consideration for Older Persons ***

Lovingly caring for older members of the congregation and particularly our family members is a basic Christian principle that cannot be disregarded by those who love Jehovah. (Mark 7:10; 1*John 3:17, 18; 4:7, 8) All of us should demonstrate our loving concern for their physical and spiritual welfare.

Obviously this article does not pull at your heart strings.

[elihu]

This story shows how some in the organization are not displaying the fruits of the spirit.

How is our love for our neighbor, are those who are vulnerable treated with care within the congregation?

Always on a Saturday: A JW Corpse 'Speaks' (http://alwaysonasaturday.blogspot.com/2009/08/jw-meets-undignified-end.html)


" man who is born of woman is of few days and full of trouble
He comes forth like a flower and fades away
He flees like a shadow and does not continue
And do you open your eyes on such a one
and bring me to judgment with yourself
who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?
No one!
since his days are determined the number of his months is with you
You have appointed his limits so that he cannot pass
look away from him that he may rest
till like a hired man he finishes his day"

a poem on a grave stone near my home reads

" a starless crown when life is done
no glittering gems that i have won,
forbid it Lord that there should be
a starless crown in heaven for me"

Jehovah and his son are each mans hope
they are his only true companions in this life from birth to death,
for every second of every minute for every hour of our life, and for all eternity
they are there for us not primarily to save us from this life and whatever the physical or mental hurt we experience during our lives, but to save us from the end result of this life that being eternal death.

so perhaps the way she looked was not perhaps the way she felt if her spirit was crying abba as jehovah took away her life force
and to those who neglected her, her mortal body was crying judgment.

elihu

[arimatthewdavies]

i can totaly agree and testify to the same, my mother a baptised j.w,active in the meetings and field service, caught cancer and died in a hospital without even a phone call from the congregation,
im reading incident after incident of the same kind of problem! agreed that a true jehovahs wittness would surely manifest the fruits of the spirit to those who need comfort, BUT were are they??
all this talk of the truth and acurate knowledge then a disapointing end, cold and bitter, instead of careing brothers and sisters ,why is their some damnable excuse why nobody can be their! brothers and sisters jehovah isnt going to tolerate such persons through the door into the new order! many are deluding themselves and other that because they attend all the meetings, asemblys,have a wonderfull fieldservice record and say jehovah with every sentance that jehovah is gona be so pleased with them at the final trumpet.
and its high time we realize that the truth without love is WORTHLESS! if you are a bumbleing idiot like me yet love jehovah enough to make it real and help some person, your in the runing for a far better reception at the life gate, than some wonderfull spitual giaint elder who refuses to go see brother goes to the meeting once a month. at the hospital with the weak excuse of oh hes not in good standing with the congregation hes spirtuly weak! watch out ! that scripture that says we will receive acording to our works can fool you! you can gather cotton for satan and pick roses for jehovah out of the same field, end up with a mountain of fruitage then find out too late that you picked with the wrong spirit! how good is your love? is it good enough to bust your butt doing all the hard work in the hot sun and be happy when the farmer gives you a penny and takes your hard days work and hands it to brother slow and frail? is it? im not jokeing here because our eternal lives depend on the strenth of our love! not the size of the fruit basket we bring!.
able worked hard alday prepareing lambchops for jehovah, big strong cain undoubtedly hastly gathered a pile of field crops 10 minutes till 5 then dumped um raw and unwashed on jehovahs table and expected cheers! '
christien love is everything ladies and gentleman, because your love for your fellowman shows to what extent you love jehovah and jesus!

[Molly]

Hey arimathewdavies-

You tell 'em!!!!!!!!! There are so many accounts that I have observed that clearly express the lack of love for the brothers and sisters, never mind our neighbor.

In the parable of the sheep and the goats the only difference between them was that one group, the sheep, did good works and the other did not. Both the sheep and the goats referred to the king (Christ) as Lord, so it wasn't a matter of their having faith. It was just that the sheep had both faith and works. The goats had faith, but no works to back up that faith, so they were rejected. They were "cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." (Matt 25:31-46)

We would be wrong to imagine that this is applicable to only the last days. That's just when the judging occurs because John 5:28,29 tells us that after the resurrection there will be a judgment. Those who had done good will get life and those who practised vile things (or did nothing that constituted charitable works as spoken of in James 2:14-26) would get a resurrection of judgment. So, it is clear that this will be the basis of judgment for all.

It hurts my heart to hear accounts like the article listed, but I know that there are many more like it.

Molly

[arimatthewdavies]

dear molly, just send me some cheese to go with my whine when the judicial commite comes looking for me!

[Gilligan]

dear molly, just send me some cheese to go with my whine when the judicial commite comes looking for me!


And I think I'll abstinate from the shrimp & sushi for awhile,,,

[Eyes & Ears]

This story shows how some in the organization are not displaying the fruits of the spirit.


How is our love for our neighbor, are those who are vulnerable treated with care within the congregation?

Always on a Saturday: A JW Corpse 'Speaks' (http://alwaysonasaturday.blogspot.com/2009/08/jw-meets-undignified-end.html)



I saw this awhile ago, and yes, it is sad isn't it. But none of these things

really should surprise us anymore even though they are disgusting, shocking

ungodly and hurtful, especially if we or someone we are close to (loved ones

friends) are the ones who are personally touched/affected by this lack of love.



Scriptures tell us what time it is and what life will be like inside and outside

Jehovah's household during the critical times of the end. As we all know

this is just one of the many ways we can understand how deep we

are in this decaying, loveless and ungodly system of things.


All very familiar scriptures, as we all know. Unfortunately they

apply to Jehovah's people as well as to the unbelievers. We can see the evidence

of this lack of love on a global scale.


Nevertheless it is still hurtful and shocking.


Matthew 24:12, 13

And because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.

But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.


2 Thess 2:-12

2 Tim 3:1-5


Everyone have a peaceful, safe and happy weekend.

E & E

[Marque100]

That story is the complete opposite to what I'm familiar with. I know people who became JW because of the caring attitude of other Witnesses. There is always two sides to a story. I'm sure there is much more to this account than was written here.

"It was then that a sister, who was a regular pioneer, brushed away any guilt feelings that crept up in her, and said, 'What a shame she did not will any of her property to the Society.'" --- Did that anonymous person really say that? , How does anyone know how someone feels inside? How did they know about the details of the last will and testament (if she had one), who told her? I'm a little sceptical about the whole article, but that sentence takes the biscuit.

I don't mean to sound cold, but its always worth being cautious about emotive stories, especially with so much anti-jw rhetoric about.

I also had a quick look at his other blog posts, the other ones regarding Watchtower/JW are all negative.

M.

[LonelySheep]

That story is the complete opposite to what I'm familiar with. I know people who became JW because of the caring attitude of other Witnesses. There is always two sides to a story. I'm sure there is much more to this account than was written here.

"It was then that a sister, who was a regular pioneer, brushed away any guilt feelings that crept up in her, and said, 'What a shame she did not will any of her property to the Society.'" --- Did that anonymous person really say that? , How does anyone know how someone feels inside? How did they know about the details of the last will and testament (if she had one), who told her? I'm a little sceptical about the whole article, but that sentence takes the biscuit.

I don't mean to sound cold, but its always worth being cautious about emotive stories, especially with so much anti-jw rhetoric about.

I also had a quick look at his other blog posts, the other ones regarding Watchtower/JW are all negative.

M.


I have to agree we have to be cautious. If I was anti-JW what better way to make up a story such as this one.

Now let me correct myself, I'm not saying this story is not true, it very well could be but i doubt if anybody on this board has any way of verifying it.

We have a word of an ex-JW, which does not mean its wrong but we can't go running off making judgements unless we can see the whole picture and the facts can be verified. If you notice in his blog, his attack wasn't just on JW's but GOD himself. He intimates that God did not keep his promise to ensure his servants would not be forsaken. For me an attack on the WT is one thing, against Jah its entirely different.

Finally, I have been in the 'Truth' many of years and I've never experienced such a thing. Not once. For all the ills and sores the congregations bear, I have not experienced this one. The one thing this story did for me was to 'sit up' and pay attention to myself to ensure that I may not be guilty of such neglect in my part of the vineyard. I pray that Jah may help me in my efforts.

[FutureMan]

I have to agree we have to be cautious. If I was anti-JW what better way to make up a story such as this one.

Now let me correct myself, I'm not saying this story is not true, it very well could be but i doubt if anybody on this board has any way of verifying it.

We have a word of an ex-JW, which does not mean its wrong but we can't go running off making judgements unless we can see the whole picture and the facts can be verified. If you notice in his blog, his attack wasn't just on JW's but GOD himself. He intimates that God did not keep his promise to ensure his servants would not be forsaken. For me an attack on the WT is one thing, against Jah its entirely different.

Finally, I have been in the 'Truth' many of years and I've never experienced such a thing. Not once. For all the ills and sores the congregations bear, I have not experienced this one. The one thing this story did for me was to 'sit up' and pay attention to myself to ensure that I may not be guilty of such neglect in my part of the vineyard. I pray that Jah may help me in my efforts.

Unfortunately that is how some who are stumbled, respond.

They become atheists, because Jehovah's Witnesses are suppose to be the last bastion of the "truth", so when they find out that it is not a spiritual Paradise as claimed and it is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they tend to deny God altogether, that is unfortunate, yet that is what happens over and over again.

[shikinah]

What a heart rendering story, yet another sign of the love of the greater number cooling off even within the organisation. They are in a serious predicament, especially when Jesus returns and asks about the treatment of his brothers why they were left and abandoned?

Shikinah

[uglyandthin]

Hi all:

I know from experience as a JW and as one who is on the outside looking in that this is a real problem, not just with JW's, but for everyone in general. I work in Long Term Care Facilities and they are full of people who are neglected by thier families and friends. Not all or course as some have many family and friends who visit regularly. But for many, they seldom if at all get a visit from family or friends.

This is a societal problem that also touches JW's. But before we point the finger of condemation on our brothers, or on society in general we all need to ask the soul searching question, when was the last time I personally visited a friend or relative who is confined to a nursing home and is dependent for everything on others? How many times this year, or this decade have I made arrangements to take someone like this to the Memorial or to the KH? It's easy to point the finger at offenders, but the offender just might be you and I.

I am glad that you brought this up FM. Not because it paints the JW's badly, because even though it does, it is not a problem that cannot be fixed with a little bit of attention. When I was active as a witness one of my regular activities was to visit nursing homes and read the bible to residents on a weekly basis (mostly non witnesses). Since I have been disassociated I have neglected this and for that I am very sorry. It was a joy to do, and I think I will look into doing it again just as a private citizen. When and if you do, you will uncover needs of individuals that you can help on your own, or make arrangements for thier ministers and friends to do so. If I come across any witnesses that are being neglected, I can pass thier names along to the local KH's and hopefully that void will be filled. Thanks again FM for the reminder.

uglyandthin

[Tsaphah]

I’ve passed this post by for a while, not sure why. The first thing I noticed was the blogger’s “About Me”. He’s from Dubai. Probably Muslim? Or, ex-JW? His statement, “One of my main interests on this blog is to personally get to know a few ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who would be willing to correspond with me.” Hmmmm. In reading this story, repeat, story, I found some strange comments. The one that jumped off the page was, “one of the 'remnant'”. I’ve always heard of “one of the anointed” when a person had the heavenly hope. Another one was, “She so much wanted to be part of the great crowd who would never die at all.” But the one that really jumped out was, “As the congregation started arriving in for the funeral talk.” Now, I don’t know about other countries and how they handle this, but I’ve always attended “Memorial services”, at the Kingdom Hall, or other types of halls. I have never attended a “funeral”, let alone one where the body was so visibly laid out, as described.

This whole “story” appears to me as just that, a story. A story with a purpose. A story to reach “ex-JW’s”. A story to discredit any of Jehovah’s Witnesses, especially any who are weak in faith, or are disgruntled about the organization. I noticed some comments that mention the sister’s son, as a brother, yet the story says ALL of her family had nothing to do with her because of her faith. Another comment mentions a Watchtower article about this sister. Does anyone out there have a reference to this?

How many people check these “blogs” for the truth of the statements? It appears that not many do check facts.

Tsaphah

[FutureMan]

I’ve passed this post by for a while, not sure why. The first thing I noticed was the blogger’s “About Me”. He’s from Dubai. Probably Muslim? Or, ex-JW? His statement, “One of my main interests on this blog is to personally get to know a few ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who would be willing to correspond with me.” Hmmmm. In reading this story, repeat, story, I found some strange comments. The one that jumped off the page was, “one of the 'remnant'”. I’ve always heard of “one of the anointed” when a person had the heavenly hope. Another one was, “She so much wanted to be part of the great crowd who would never die at all.” But the one that really jumped out was, “As the congregation started arriving in for the funeral talk.” Now, I don’t know about other countries and how they handle this, but I’ve always attended “Memorial services”, at the Kingdom Hall, or other types of halls. I have never attended a “funeral”, let alone one where the body was so visibly laid out, as described.

This whole “story” appears to me as just that, a story. A story with a purpose. A story to reach “ex-JW’s”. A story to discredit any of Jehovah’s Witnesses, especially any who are weak in faith, or are disgruntled about the organization. I noticed some comments that mention the sister’s son, as a brother, yet the story says ALL of her family had nothing to do with her because of her faith. Another comment mentions a Watchtower article about this sister. Does anyone out there have a reference to this?

How many people check these “blogs” for the truth of the statements? It appears that not many do check facts.

Tsaphah

You may be correct Tsaphah, this story may be fabricated at least in part, I don't know as I cannot really verify the facts.

But this does not mean that this type of thing does not happen in the congregations in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, I have one example of my own wife who is suffering from constant pain etc and so therefore could not get out into the ministry as she so desired to do so.
But by large she was neglected by the congregation, and few of the brothers and sisters had much if any, time for her.
This I can verify myself.

I do know of other examples of neglect even in my own area, largely due to the organization's own policy of basically given most of their attention to those who they consider to be worthy of attention whether spiritually, emotionally, physically or financially.

[Marque100]

I also asked the blog writer for some more info regarding when/where this took place.

"The cong in question is the 'City Congregation' in South Mumbai. This happened, if I remember the time correctly, in 2001/2002."

M.

[Tsaphah]

You may be correct Tsaphah, this story may be fabricated at least in part, I don't know as I cannot really verify the facts.

But this does not mean that this type of thing does not happen in the congregations in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, I have one example of my own wife who is suffering from constant pain etc and so therefore could not get out into the ministry as she so desired to do so.
But by large she was neglected by the congregation, and few of the brothers and sisters had much if any, time for her.
This I can verify myself.

I do know of other examples of neglect even in my own area, largely due to the organization's own policy of basically given most of their attention to those who they consider to be worthy of attention whether spiritually, emotionally, physically or financially.


Oh, I know this type of thing happens in congregations throughout the world. I have experienced it first hand. I had the embarrassing experience to be with a brother paying "a visit" to an elderly sister who had not been to the hall for a while. When we knocked on the door, we were not greeted with a smile. When the brother mentioned to the man, why we were there, he said,"Well, if you were so concerned about my mother, why haven't you been around. She died last year!"

I also experienced this type of situation with two other older sisters, whom I had been caring for. One had arthritis so bad that she had to use a wheelchair. I used to take her to all the meetings, shopping, hair appointments, etc. Do you think any of the other brothers or sisters asked if they could help? NOT!! The other always called me to do repairs or other errands that she needed. She lived alone. Her husband had died several years prior. Any help for the other brothers and sisters? NOT!

But we can't spend our time looking to criticize the organization or our brothers and sisters. They too have to deal with this system. They are just as imperfect as we are. We have to think like Jesus did, and feel sorry for them. This is a hard thing to do, because of our selfish imperfections. It is the human condition. None of us can say how we will react in certain situations. We only know when it happens.

Marque100, thanks for the inquiry. But, the information is very vague. And where did this blogger get the story. I had the impression that HE was the one to experience this. He didn't quote any sources. That's one of the main problems with bloggers. The "City Congregation" in South Mumbai. Do you have any idea how large a city Mumbai is? It is the second most populous city in the world. It has a population of over 14 million people. I did a search on the Kingdom Hall database, and there is no "City Congregation" Kingdom Hall in Mumbai. The closest Kingdom Hall, is one in Pune, India, and another in Chandan Nagar, Pune. That's about 74 air miles/119 km southeast of Mumbai. There are no Kingdom Halls listed for Munbai. It is possible that they are not in the database. I'm surprised that there are only two Kingdom Halls listed in all of India.

Tsaphah?

[Tsaphah]

Aaahhh, I couldn't resist.

Just another thought about the blogger who posted that story. There was a statement in the story that seemed odd to me. “She would be electrically cremated, it was revealed.” I thought, “What difference does that make?” Oh.... In Islam cremation is Haram (prohibited, not allowed). How interesting. Why? Here are a few statements by Muslims. Spellings and errors are as posted.


“the act of Cremation gives the effect of ones sense of tyranny. it is quite unfriendly towards nature/environment ie. causes air and water resourse pollution.
on the other hand if we talk abt interment/burial, it gives effect of human submissiveness towards God and that all Will belongs to the Creator. this z friendly towards nature/environment as its been proven scientifically. its in accordance with natural organic and inorganic cycles.”


“In Islam cremation is Haram(prohibited, not allowed). Though on the day of judgement there will be one man who told others to cremate him when he died, but he will still be exepted in Jannah. The reason for this is because of his fear of Allah and Jahanaam(Hell) he told people to burn him and put his body parts in different places around the world because he thought Allah coud not put him back together and judge him for his bad deeds(even though he was a believer). When someone is dead they can still hear people walking by them and can still feel and hear(because they still have thier soul) so when they are cremated they feel even more pain and suffering.”


Hmmmmmmmmmm!


Tsaphah

[shikinah]

I also asked the blog writer for some more info regarding when/where this took place.

"The cong in question is the 'City Congregation' in South Mumbai. This happened, if I remember the time correctly, in 2001/2002."

M.

If its Mumbai, I wouldnt be surprised, i spoke a while back of a brother who had his house sold by another brother and had to sleep rough on the streets, while nobody in his congregation helped him.

[SWORDOFJAH]

From today study:

19, 20. Relate some experiences that show the power of Christian love.

19. Because love is a product of God's holy spirit, it enables true Christians to do what others cannot do, such as overcome racial, cultural, and political barriers. (Read John 13: 34,35; Gal. 5:22) Sheep like ones cannot help but be moved when they see such love. For example, when a young Jewish man in Israel attended his first Christian meeting, he was amazed to see Jewish and Arab brothers worshipping Jehovah side by side. As a result, he began to attend meetings regularly and accepted a Bible study.


20. As true Christians, we strive to show love toward all. In El Salvador, a young publisher was studying the Bible with an 87-year-old Catholic woman who clung to her church. One day, the woman became gravely ill and was hospitalized. When she returned home, the Witnesses called and made sure that she had food. This went on for about a month. Nobody from the woman's church visited. The result? She discarded her images, resigned from her church, and resumed her Bible study. Yes, Christian love has power! It can reach hearts in ways that the spoken word may not.

[noname]

A brother in our hall recently announced at a local meeting in a comment that he had tons of return visits and does not go back to see them, he wondered if they were still alive, everyone laughed. Well I think he felt guilty and had to release that in front of everyone.

The main emphasis in the congregation is on works not on love. There is alot on Love but it has not been the main emphasis. This I believe has caused a confusion. Im always reminded by the apostle who said that without Love everything else is rubbish.

Maybe instead of going door to door we should visit all the elderly in our halls and encourage them, then make returns and if we have time only after that go door to door for new ones.

This is a good question to ponder. Thank you.

[SWORDOFJAH]

A brother in our hall recently announced at a local meeting in a comment that he had tons of return visits and does not go back to see them, he wondered if they were still alive, everyone laughed. Well I think he felt guilty and had to release that in front of everyone.

The main emphasis in the congregation is on works not on love. There is alot on Love but it has not been the main emphasis. This I believe has caused a confusion. Im always reminded by the apostle who said that without Love everything else is rubbish.

Maybe instead of going door to door we should visit all the elderly in our halls and encourage them, then make returns and if we have time only after that go door to door for new ones.

This is a good question to ponder. Thank you.

JW'S care for their older members. Many experiences showed this.

[JB]

I dont have much experience in the Kingdom Hall, but I can say that the husband and wife we study with has put up an elderly couple in an apartment they made downstairs of their house. Apparantly the elderly couple they put up were full time door to door people (pioneers?) and never had children, devoting all their time to Jehovah. So they got older and had no place to go. My study teachers said come live with us rent free as long as needed. Before the study he asked if I would be patient while he made sure he got the elderly brother home ok....(thier house is literally next door to the kingdom hall so they walk). So at least in my very little experience I have seen care towards the elderly.

[FutureMan]

From today study:

19, 20. Relate some experiences that show the power of Christian love.

19. Because love is a product of God's holy spirit, it enables true Christians to do what others cannot do, such as overcome racial, cultural, and political barriers. (Read John 13: 34,35; Gal. 5:22) Sheep like ones cannot help but be moved when they see such love. For example, when a young Jewish man in Israel attended his first Christian meeting, he was amazed to see Jewish and Arab brothers worshipping Jehovah side by side. As a result, he began to attend meetings regularly and accepted a Bible study.


20. As true Christians, we strive to show love toward all. In El Salvador, a young publisher was studying the Bible with an 87-year-old Catholic woman who clung to her church. One day, the woman became gravely ill and was hospitalized. When she returned home, the Witnesses called and made sure that she had food. This went on for about a month. Nobody from the woman's church visited. The result? She discarded her images, resigned from her church, and resumed her Bible study. Yes, Christian love has power! It can reach hearts in ways that the spoken word may not.


Revelation 2 [LITV]
1 To the angel of the Ephesian church, write: These things says the One holding the seven stars in His right hand, He walking in the midst of the seven golden lampstands:
2 I know your works, and your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear evil ones; and you tried those pretending to be apostles and are not, and found them to be liars.
3 And I know you bore up and have patience and on account of My name you have labored and have not wearied.
4 But I have against you that you left your first love.
5 Then remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works. And if not, I am coming to you quickly, and will remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.
6 But you have this, that you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one overcoming, I will give to him to eat of the Tree of Life which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.
8 And to the angel of the church of Smyrna, write: These things says the First and the Last, who became dead, and lived:
9 I know your works, and the affliction, and the poverty; but you are rich. And I know the evil speaking of those saying themselves to be Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
10 Do not at all fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw you into prison, so that you may be tried; and you will have affliction ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one overcoming will not at all be hurt by the second death.
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos, write: These things says the One having the sharp, two-edged sword:
13 I know your works, and where you dwell, where the throne of Satan is. And you hold My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful witness; who was killed alongside you, where Satan dwells.
14 But I have a few things against you, that you have there those holding the teachings of Balaam, who taught Balak to throw a stumbling-block before the sons of Israel, to eat idol sacrifices, and to commit fornication.
15 So you also have those holding the teaching of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent! But if not, I will come to you quickly, and I will make war with them by the sword of My mouth.
17 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one overcoming, I will give him to eat from the hidden manna. And I will give to him a white stone, and on the stone a new name having been written, which no one knows except the one receiving it.
18 And to the angel of the church in Thyatira, write: These things says the Son of God, the One having His eyes as a flame of fire, and His feet like burnished brass:
19 I know your works, and the love, and the ministry, and the faith, and your patience, and your works; and the last more than the first.
20 But I have a few things against you, that you allow the woman Jezebel to teach, she saying herself to be a prophetess, and to cause My slaves to go astray, and to commit fornication, and to eat idol sacrifices.
21 And I gave time to her that she might repent of her fornication. And she did not repent.
22 Behold, I am throwing her into a bed, and into great affliction those committing adultery with her, unless they repent of their works.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches will know that I am the One searching the inner parts and hearts. And I will give to each of you according to your works.
24 But I say to you and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this teaching, and who did not know the deep things of Satan, as they say: I am not casting another burden on you;
25 but what you have, hold until I shall come.
26 And the one overcoming, and the one keeping My works until the end, "I will give to him authority over the nations,"
27 and "he will shepherd them with an iron staff" (they are "broken to pieces like clay vessels"), as I also have received from My Father. Psa. 2:8, 9
28 And I will give to him the Morning Star.
29 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


Revelation 3
1 And to the angel of the church in Sardis, write: These things says the One having the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know your works, that you have the name that you live, and are dead.
2 Be watching, and establish the things left, which are about to die. For I have not found your works being fulfilled before God.
3 Then remember how you received and heard, and keep, and repent. If, then, you do not watch, I will come upon you like a thief and you will not at all know what hour I come upon you.
4 You also have a few names in Sardis which did not defile their robes, and they shall walk with Me in white because they are worthy.
5 The one overcoming, this one shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not at all blot his name out of the Book of Life; and I will acknowledge his name before My Father, and before His angels.
6 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia, write: These things says the Holy One, the True One, the One having "the key of David," "the One opening, and no one shuts; and shuts, and no one opens:" Isa. 22:22
8 I know your works. Behold, I have given a door being opened before you, and no one is able to shut it, for you have a little power and have kept My Word, and have not denied My name.
9 Behold, I give out of the synagogue of Satan those saying themselves to be Jews, and they are not, but they lie. Behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they shall know that I loved you.
10 Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come on all the habitable world in order to try those dwelling on the earth.
11 Behold, I am coming quickly. Hold what you have that no one take your crown.
12 The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out any more. And I will write the name of My God on him, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.
13 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
14 And to the angel of the church of Laodicea, write: These things says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Head of the creation of God:
15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I would that you were cold, or hot.
16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit you out of My mouth.
17 Because you say, I am rich, and I am made rich, and I have need of nothing, and do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
18 I advise you to buy from Me gold having been fired by fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, and your shame and nakedness may not be revealed. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 I, as many "as I love, I rebuke and I chasten." Be zealous, then, and repent. Prov. 3:12
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me.
21 The one overcoming, I will give to him to sit with Me in My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father in His throne.
22 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


Hello SWORDOFJAH, who do you think that the scriptures that I have just quoted applies to?

Before you answer to hastily, just remember that the Watchtower Society applies this scripture to the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses today, as well as the early Christian congregations of the early church.

[arimatthewdavies]

on march 30th jehovahs wittnesses will comemorate,jesus christs last super with his apostles, the afternoon that followed [his death] i have to admire that man and his love for humankind! theirs just no way i could have let people whip me half to death,then jeer at me on the way to my death and let people nail me to the torture instrument when i had the power to call an army of angels,or simply speak my torturers into a pile of dust! thats love! puting up with the most horrible things, for the undeserving, and im so thankful that when jesus rose from death that he did not walk right into the middle of that city and say,see i am gods son! and your toast!
thank you lord jesus!
i you havent already been invited to this memorial
here is your invitation to come , its at sundown march 30th at most kingdom halls.
i have always celebrated by first veiwing the ceremonial distribution of red wine, and senleavened bread,and after the service i have a traditional pass over feast! thus expressing both my thanks and joy that death has been passed over forever! for all jesus christs disiples

[noname]

JW'S care for their older members. Many experiences showed this.

Who are you trying to convince?
I think the point of the question "how good is our love?" is to examine ourselves and our own experiences not make excuses.

[Gilligan]

Who are you trying to convince?
I think the point of the question "how good is our love?" is to examine ourselves and our own experiences not make excuses.


Good point NN,
I really hope a vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses are reading this thread right now.
Besides looking out for the old people we should really be on the look-out for the young ones:
Signs of abuse, both physically and mentally.
I could cough up blood right now remembering the younger days on how my little friends were treated in the Cong.
From being finger-flicked on the back of the ear because of being a little fidgety during meetings to being out-right ignored by the "elders".
You want an example? I'll give you one. At age 20 I was working at this small company, and this vendor came in sell his stuff. I recognized him immediately as our Cong Overseer. As soon as I told him who I was he just kept going about his business, not even looking into my eyes or even caring, even tho he knew about the disaster taking place within our house..

I hope Jehovah burns his body and soul forever, and other MF's like him, if thinking like this will get me in trouble with the Lord, so be it, I have had it with this cult, ("Get out of Her"), all it did was "bring division", misery and spite, like Jesus said,, BUT, at the same time I will NEVER leave His side,,,
FM has the right speed which I like,
Thanx FutureMan
(The Church, Under the Milky Way Tonight, an Aussie Band from the Mid-80's):

<H2 class="posttitle icon icon0">Jaws here, has the gall to TRY to relate how everything is Honky-Dory in the Cong:

19, 20. Relate some experiences that show the power of Christian love.


</H2>

[SWORDOFJAH]

Who are you trying to convince?
I think the point of the question "how good is our love?" is to examine ourselves and our own experiences not make excuses.

The so called experience posted tried to picture that the congregation did not care for an elderly sister. Experiences among JW'S proved otherwise. JW'S do care for each congregation member.

[JB]

Sorry for not knowing how to quote but this is in regards to Gilligans post.


I have seen this and completly understand.....not so much the flicking of ears or abuse, but words being used with our kids. My wife came to one meeting (of course we had to bring our kids ages 4 and 2) for the first time. My kids have NEVER had to sit down like that and be quiet for 10 minutes let alone an hour and a half. When do we ever expect them to do that, they are young and full of energy and curiosity. But who we study with kept saying TRAIN them. It took us a WHILE to train ours and you guys will too. I'm sorry but I do not TRAIN my kids. I TRAIN my dog. So my wife felt like well I am going to hold off on the meetings for a while till they get just a little older. They say nonsense how will you ever TRAIN them.

Anyway I feel my self getting off track, but I do not see physical abuse, but I can see mental with such words as train.

Why can't they just have a little area for kids, with maybe a teenage sister in the back reading my book of bible stories with some crayons intill they are older and more mature to sit in meetings. This would be very helpful to my wife and me who come to the meetings to LISTEN and LEARN not chase our kids.

[uglyandthin]

The so called experience posted tried to picture that the congregation did not care for an elderly sister. Experiences among JW'S proved otherwise. JW'S do care for each congregation member.

Hi SOJ:

Keep drinking that Kool-aid, it's doing you well. For the most part you are probably correct, or as a broad statement you could be. But most of the comments here are of exceptions to that rule where the elderly are not looked out for very well. Statistically speaking, if there are a few occurrences that a few people are aware of, there are many, many more in the population of JW's in general. You would have to have your head in the sand not to see that. You can kid yourself that it doesn't happen, but you know that it does.

My wife is a pioneer in a sign language speaking congregation and she studies with an elderly lady at a personal care home. She was recently (in the last week) introduced to a lady who has been associated with JW's for over 50 years who just started living at the same personal care home. She has not had contact with the witnesses for over two years. Granted, because of her dimentia, she is no doubt a handful, but that in itself does not excuse the fact that this sister has not had any contact with any witnesses for over two years. She will now, my wife will make sure of that, but what will happen after that. If this is happening here in Pittsburgh, PA USA it's happening everywhere. That's reality. It just means that the friends have to step up thier game and see that this does not happen ever. That is a mighty task but it is the foundation of true Christianity. Taking care of orphans and widows in thier tribulation.

uglyandthin

[noname]

The so called experience posted tried to picture that the congregation did not care for an elderly sister. Experiences among JW'S proved otherwise. JW'S do care for each congregation member.

Yes I also know of JW's caring for elderly congregation members.

[arimatthewdavies]

i have been a wittness baptised since 1975 i have seen wittnesses cared for but i have seen more that are rejected or abandoned or as in the case of my mother disfellowshiped and abandoned because when she got cancer she did the stretching execises from a yoga program for pain they labelled her a practicer of ocult.
i will say this i wish some jehovahs wittness in authority would dare to have me poly graphed[lie detector] on a live tv program because i would sure love to clear my soul from the filth neglect and hugh lack of love that i am a wittness to,
its really really hard to tell people that we are gods f.d.s. and wittness, and give wonderful praises about our kingdom hall when im eye wittness to the exact oposite...
im not saying the whole organization is infected because i can onley speak for what ive seen,ive seen lots of good done acording to literaturee,but if i had to cast my home kingdomhall in the satan or god basket under the penalty of death with jesus standing their with his finger on instant replay satan would have company! how good is my love? well from the bibles definition 7 out of 10 im not interested in standing here nameing faults and jeering. i am however interested in seeing that the organization that is bearing my gods holy name hold to the principals of that name in that if a member brings into the open a fault then somebody in authority should either correct the fault or give that member the authority to make the change.
listen nothing would please me more than to say with a clear conscience that the kingdomhal is the ultimate safe loveing refuge. and offer praises but until i personaly see it i mark it as needs improvment give wholehearted aplause and say try again

[shikinah]

i have been a wittness baptised since 1975 i have seen wittnesses cared for but i have seen more that are rejected or abandoned or as in the case of my mother disfellowshiped and abandoned because when she got cancer she did the stretching execises from a yoga program for pain they labelled her a practicer of ocult.
i will say this i wish some jehovahs wittness in authority would dare to have me poly graphed[lie detector] on a live tv program because i would sure love to clear my soul from the filth neglect and hugh lack of love that i am a wittness to,
its really really hard to tell people that we are gods f.d.s. and wittness, and give wonderful praises about our kingdom hall when im eye wittness to the exact oposite...
im not saying the whole organization is infected because i can onley speak for what ive seen,ive seen lots of good done acording to literaturee,but if i had to cast my home kingdomhall in the satan or god basket under the penalty of death with jesus standing their with his finger on instant replay satan would have company! how good is my love? well from the bibles definition 7 out of 10 im not interested in standing here nameing faults and jeering. i am however interested in seeing that the organization that is bearing my gods holy name hold to the principals of that name in that if a member brings into the open a fault then somebody in authority should either correct the fault or give that member the authority to make the change.
listen nothing would please me more than to say with a clear conscience that the kingdomhal is the ultimate safe loveing refuge. and offer praises but until i personaly see it i mark it as needs improvment give wholehearted aplause and say try again

Did they explain to your mum why Yoga was bad and give her a warning?
See sad to say im in agreement with the society, I know your poor mother was ill, but physiotherapy can also work wonders. The reason why I say this is because as simple as Yoga may seem, it works as a channeling divice, continued exercises and deep breathing can open the kundalini and allow demonic access. Right now on British TV their is a childrens channel which promotes Yoga through kiddies participating in simple yoga position. During the programme you soon start to relise that its pure sun worship, where theres a sun dial with crystals and little weird puppets which teach the kids to levitate.
This is what they say about them..

"Waybuloo is the hit CBeebies television show that explores emotions and relationships, taking young children on a journey through stories of co-operation, friendship and enjoyment. The series is set in a magical place called Nara; a land of happiness and laughter that’s home to the Piplings. When Yojojo, De Li, Lau Lau and Nok Tok are all happy together it’s Waybuloo, with all four Piplings rising up to the sky" This video shows how they are introducing yoga and new age to our children, im constantly telling my daughter, to not let my grandson watch this evil rubbish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrTvWF_AzLQ

I guess im more provoked than most when this subject comes up, as i've seen what it has done to close friends of mine in the past. Im sorry but Yoga of any sort is best left alone.


Shikinah

[arimatthewdavies]

yes shikinah this was exactly the acusation and explaination of the k.m. however they refused to consider that the bend stretch run walk routine recomended was conducted by a medical doctor who was a baptised wittness and that no candles meditation,chants kundalini incences or the like was involved, when these facts were brought to light the elders threatened to disfellowship me, her husband and the doctor! we moved to florida were several of the elders sat in on my mothers exercise after wich those elders decided no wrong doing was involved and that they would help my mother to get to the doctor and sit there while she streched and bended ran and walked, they also judicial investigated the matter and decided that a reinstatement was proper the society was contacted for final aproval being that another congregation was involved ,in the meantime the congregation totaly avoided my mother who died with not one comforter not even the elders involved in her care.now tell me what good did it do my mother to be reinstated after she was dead? in my opinion no excuse none at all! the false religeon chapels at the hospital visit the dieing with no qustions, and im still seeing stuff like this every day, and as to what wicked deeds i was instructed to keep silent about because" it would bring reproach on jehovahs organization comited on my person as a child. i again say louldly plainly and publicly hook me up to a polygraph on a live tv program let an elder ask me live , their needs to be improvment! in love amonst gods chosen people .stories like this should never ever be told! love to me has been to tell people about jehovah .help with physical needs of those people .and lie yes lie about my personal feelings of the organization that i am bringing them into! so that in the end these people just may live! thats whats important to me saveing lives! we speak of vindicating the name of jehovah with our mouths way too much! its way past time for our behinds backs and elbow to prove we serve jehovah and yes i love to say well done rather than mark someone i for needs improvment! so instead of excuses,or why we cant or no this problem dosent exist! it yes i can personaly say bro/sis i love you ,by the work i do ,i can lead people to jesus regardless of how i feel and yes i will praise jehovah no matter whats happened or happening!

[shikinah]

yes shikinah this was exactly the acusation and explaination of the k.m. however they refused to consider that the bend stretch run walk routine recomended was conducted by a medical doctor who was a baptised wittness and that no candles meditation,chants kundalini incences or the like was involved, when these facts were brought to light the elders threatened to disfellowship me, her husband and the doctor! we moved to florida were several of the elders sat in on my mothers exercise after wich those elders decided no wrong doing was involved and that they would help my mother to get to the doctor and sit there while she streched and bended ran and walked, they also judicial investigated the matter and decided that a reinstatement was proper the society was contacted for final aproval being that another congregation was involved ,in the meantime the congregation totaly avoided my mother who died with not one comforter not even the elders involved in her care.now tell me what good did it do my mother to be reinstated after she was dead? in my opinion no excuse none at all! the false religeon chapels at the hospital visit the dieing with no qustions, and im still seeing stuff like this every day, and as to what wicked deeds i was instructed to keep silent about because" it would bring reproach on jehovahs organization comited on my person as a child. i again say louldly plainly and publicly hook me up to a polygraph on a live tv program let an elder ask me live , their needs to be improvment! in love amonst gods chosen people .stories like this should never ever be told! love to me has been to tell people about jehovah .help with physical needs of those people .and lie yes lie about my personal feelings of the organization that i am bringing them into! so that in the end these people just may live! thats whats important to me saveing lives! we speak of vindicating the name of jehovah with our mouths way too much! its way past time for our behinds backs and elbow to prove we serve jehovah and yes i love to say well done rather than mark someone i for needs improvment! so instead of excuses,or why we cant or no this problem dosent exist! it yes i can personaly say bro/sis i love you ,by the work i do ,i can lead people to jesus regardless of how i feel and yes i will praise jehovah no matter whats happened or happening!

Ari I do sympathise with you, but even without music, candles or meditation it is possible to open your self up to the spirit realm. What sort of cancer did your mother have? As a complementary practitioner myself, i'd have to say the majority are now using yoga techniques, reiki, crystals, dowsing etc..
This is an example of what im talking about, this information for cancer patients...

"Various different postures of yoga like the standing posture and surya namaskar (sun saluting posture) helps to provide exercise to all the organs of the body so that metabolism of the body is increased which helps the body to carry out the routine tasks with comfort and ease."

This seems like harmless exercise but note in brackets SUN SALUTING posture, people fail to see the seriousness and the satanic influence woven within this practice.
I cant aagree with you Ari, because I would never want to encourage anyone who is looking on this board to think that I am in support of yoga in any way shape or form and that JW doctor should have known better.

Shikinah

[Gilligan]

"Various different postures of yoga like the standing posture and surya namaskar (sun saluting posture) helps to provide exercise to all the organs of the body so that metabolism of the body is increased which helps the body to carry out the routine tasks with comfort and ease."

This seems like harmless exercise but note in brackets SUN SALUTING posture, people fail to see the seriousness and the satanic influence woven within this practice.
I cant aagree with you Ari, because I would never want to encourage anyone who is looking on this board to think that I am in support of yoga in any way shape or form and that JW doctor should have known better.
Shikinah



What's the scoop on doing "Tai Chi"?
I love doing those gentle stretching exercises, especially in the morning, before I do the yardwork.
But I don't chant or stuff while doing it.
Will the elders DF me if they knew? Or worse, get kicked off this site within 24 hours?:rolleyes:

Gills

[shikinah]

What's the scoop on doing "Tai Chi"?
I love doing those gentle stretching exercises, especially in the morning, before I do the yardwork.
But I don't chant or stuff while doing it.
Will the elders DF me if they knew? Or worse, get kicked off this site within 24 hours?:rolleyes:

Gills

Gills you've got me on this one, I have a friend who is now studying the bible who practices this, its so beautiful to watch especially when performed to Chinese music. It was started by one of the monks and taken from Kung Fu, Its very border line. I guess the best people to ask are Chinese JW's im sure they would know about it. But my friend has stopped practicing it since studying the bible, funny enough he did seem in better health when he was doing this, but could be that he's slightly depressed since finding out we are living in the end times.:rolleyes:
Heres some info http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/history.html


Shikinah

[James]

What's the scoop on doing "Tai Chi"?


Will the elders DF me if they knew?

Gills

Only if you show up with a beard...
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[Gilligan]

Only if you show up with a beard...
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PAI MEI!

The legendary martial arts master Pai Mei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kill_Bill_characters#Pai_Mei) (Gordon Liu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Liu)), an elderly martial arts master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elderly_martial_arts_master). He could perform a fatal attack called the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Mak)!

I'd like to do that trick on a few ministerial servants then work my way up to Ober-fuhrers.

But for now, I'll just work-out and tone-up my flabby gloots,,,:p

Flabby Gills

[shikinah]

PAI MEI!

The legendary martial arts master Pai Mei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kill_Bill_characters#Pai_Mei) (Gordon Liu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Liu)), an elderly martial arts master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elderly_martial_arts_master). He could perform a fatal attack called the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Mak)!

I'd like to do that trick on a few ministerial servants then work my way up to Ober-fuhrers.

But for now, I'll just work-out and tone-up my flabby gloots,,,:p

Flabby Gills

"I'd like to do that trick on a few ministerial servants then work my way up to Ober-fuhrers."
Gills you sure your no secret Jesuit Ninja;)

[arimatthewdavies]

im not advocating or defending anything here what i am saying is i wish someone in authority would hook me up to a real forensic quility polygraph and let the machine do the dirty work but of course their still will be those that will disagree with a test acepted as legaly conclusive.
oh well maybe i will simply shut up and let jehovah do his thing, i did mine i said their needs to be an improvement and cited 1 example im going back to siting in my chair and eating the pecan brittle that the pentacostle pracher brings by our station,,, now i will bet money someone will say you shouldent eat it cause a pentacostal preacherman brought it waaaaaah waaaah
oh well im done with this one anybody out their not have a recent watchtower/awake just drop by i will give them to you along with some pecan brittle

[Gilligan]

im not advocating or defending anything here what i am saying is i wish someone in authority would hook me up to a real forensic quility polygraph and let the machine do the dirty work but of course their still will be those that will disagree with a test acepted as legaly conclusive.
oh well maybe i will simply shut up and let jehovah do his thing, i did mine i said their needs to be an improvement and cited 1 example im going back to siting in my chair and eating the pecan brittle that the pentacostle pracher brings by our station,,, now i will bet money someone will say you shouldent eat it cause a pentacostal preacherman brought it waaaaaah waaaah
oh well im done with this one anybody out their not have a recent watchtower/awake just drop by i will give them to you along with some pecan brittle

I could fix you up ARI, just sit back and relax while I interrogate you in my customized 5-Thousand Watt electric chair.
You will confess all I need to know, if not, I have an Olympic-sized water-boarding operation in my basement.
And while I am busy setting it up, there will be peanut-brittle and coffee-toffee and back-issues of Awake, while you wait.

Love, Gills

[shikinah]

im not advocating or defending anything here what i am saying is i wish someone in authority would hook me up to a real forensic quility polygraph and let the machine do the dirty work but of course their still will be those that will disagree with a test acepted as legaly conclusive.
oh well maybe i will simply shut up and let jehovah do his thing, i did mine i said their needs to be an improvement and cited 1 example im going back to siting in my chair and eating the pecan brittle that the pentacostle pracher brings by our station,,, now i will bet money someone will say you shouldent eat it cause a pentacostal preacherman brought it waaaaaah waaaah
oh well im done with this one anybody out their not have a recent watchtower/awake just drop by i will give them to you along with some pecan brittle

Forget the polygraph, Jehovah knows your heart:)
Never had pecan brittle sounds nice tho..

[arimatthewdavies]

Gills you've got me on this one, I have a friend who is now studying the bible who practices this, its so beautiful to watch especially when performed to Chinese music. It was started by one of the monks and taken from Kung Fu, Its very border line. I guess the best people to ask are Chinese JW's im sure they would know about it. But my friend has stopped practicing it since studying the bible, funny enough he did seem in better health when he was doing this, but could be that he's slightly depressed since finding out we are living in the end times.:rolleyes:
Heres some info http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/history.html


Shikinah

shikinah thank you to alerting me to this rather insidious thing kundalini wich is basicly just another sexual perversion and is conected with yoga! i watched a few demo videos on the web were the kundalini participants gyrate their bodies in what apears to be sexual thrusting while chanting whoo,whoo,whoo, like monkeys! till they collapse on the floor, this crap is suposed to stimulate the chakras ??.
what happend to the bible and deaden therefore your body members with regards to forication and unclean acts? and what sick pshyco kind of person would use such a thing upon a sick dying person? the devil sure has a lot of ways to destroy if not by a disease, then a qack treatment to fight a disease, its soo sick out their i can identify with what jehovah said to noah im going to destroy all flesh because i do regret that i have made them. and i wonder i just wonder if after jehovah and jesus make all things new just how long will man stay sinless?

[shikinah]

shikinah thank you to alerting me to this rather insidious thing kundalini wich is basicly just another sexual perversion and is conected with yoga! i watched a few demo videos on the web were the kundalini participants gyrate their bodies in what apears to be sexual thrusting while chanting whoo,whoo,whoo, like monkeys! till they collapse on the floor, this crap is suposed to stimulate the chakras ??.
what happend to the bible and deaden therefore your body members with regards to forication and unclean acts? and what sick pshyco kind of person would use such a thing upon a sick dying person? the devil sure has a lot of ways to destroy if not by a disease, then a qack treatment to fight a disease, its soo sick out their i can identify with what jehovah said to noah im going to destroy all flesh because i do regret that i have made them. and i wonder i just wonder if after jehovah and jesus make all things new just how long will man stay sinless?

Never heard of that way before but I guess it takes all sorts, as they say nothings sacred:rolleyes:

[arimatthewdavies]

Never heard of that way before but I guess it takes all sorts, as they say nothings sacred:rolleyes:

the song sympathy for the devil has a kundalini ritual going on as the background oh well again thanks for enlightening me its nothing i would care to be around my mothers dead an burried some 24 years and im sure that if she would have known the disgusting ascociation she would have found some other method .

[shikinah]

the song sympathy for the devil has a kundalini ritual going on as the background oh well again thanks for enlightening me its nothing i would care to be around my mothers dead an burried some 24 years and im sure that if she would have known the disgusting ascociation she would have found some other method .

Brother how are we to know what simple exercises are, its designed to mislead. I learnt the hard way about such things, and its like im on a campaign eversince to warn people of the dangers of this evil eastern/New Age so called medicine/healing. Im sure Jehovah knew your mother more than any elders, she had cancer and many people are desperate to try knew ideas especially if recommended by a brother who's a "practitioner". Thats why we need to pray for an answer or investigate before we consider any of these new healing tricks of satan as he's the master of deception.

Jah Bless
Shikinah

[arimatthewdavies]

Brother how are we to know what simple exercises are, its designed to mislead. I learnt the hard way about such things, and its like im on a campaign eversince to warn people of the dangers of this evil eastern/New Age so called medicine/healing. Im sure Jehovah knew your mother more than any elders, she had cancer and many people are desperate to try knew ideas especially if recommended by a brother who's a "practitioner". Thats why we need to pray for an answer or investigate before we consider any of these new healing tricks of satan as he's the master of deception.

Jah Bless
Shikinah

well i thank you for bringing to light the danger hiden inside,that junk just like the wolf sheep thinghy dont make much sense doing exercises that have a hidden conotation that call the demons . i guess thats a big part of christien love watching for dangers that the other person cant see because of a spirtual or emotional blind spot now ive got a long thread to write on crack cocain.

[Jahsdisciple]

I could fix you up ARI, just sit back and relax while I interrogate you in my customized 5-Thousand Watt electric chair.


I bought my mother in law a chair once..but she wouldnt plug it in...( an old joke)

[arimatthewdavies]

I bought my mother in law a chair once..but she wouldnt plug it in...( an old joke)
ok this is just for you! i once bought a stun gun i put it in my back pocket, i went about a little house work, i grabed a soda and sat down on the couch, oh foolish me! zaaaaapp! it takes about 2 min for the battery to run out it was imposible to stand up and i just had to sit their and yaaaaaahhhh! ok bro enjoy your day! ouch still hurts thinking about it.