Resurrection & Discouraging CO Visit

[imjustaskin]

We got a new CO assigned to our circuit and are just having his first visit this week. I was really excited to see how he would be. Our last CO was a good speaker but not very personable, and I have had previous CO's that were REALLY filled with spirit and actually were a great encouragement.

So...this CO's first talk, he goes into this long speech about who will be resurrected. About how people have mistakenly assumed that anyone who dies before Armageddon will get a second chance and "brothers, THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!" He went on about how even though the separating of the sheep and goats does not happen until Armageddon, people that have a chance to hear the word and reject it will STILL not qualify for resurrection. He was very adamant about it (whereas it seems to be the WTS has even backed off a little on this stance). He used this as a basis about why the preaching work is important. Some motivation!

Number one, I get totally on edge when anyone starts getting adamant about WHO will be resurrected or not, since THERE IS NOT ANY WAY FOR US TO KNOW THAT, NOR IS IT OUR BUSINESS! Number two, how horrible in this day and time of troubles to use fear to try to motivate people.

Then, during his SECOND talk, he brought it up AGAIN. He read the scripture about a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, and he said there is another group, the wicked, who won't get a resurrection. Those who had a chance to change but were unwilling. Some of you may have relatives like that and are wondering will they be resurrected? Well brothers if they are unwilling to change why would you want them to be resurrected? Then at the very end he threw in the caveat, "of course we can't really know who will be resurrected or not". Duh, you were just trying to tell everyone! This second talk was supposed to be about "how to keep our hope alive". Again, thanks for the motivation!

I'm sorry to seem so negative...I was really looking forward to an encouraging visit and it was just a total downer. Although I usually keep my opinions to myself, I felt compelled to explain to my daughter in the car that NO ONE but Jehovah decides who will be resurrected.

Has anyone else heard anything similar, or is this brother just on a personal mission about this subject?

[FutureMan]

We got a new CO assigned to our circuit and are just having his first visit this week. I was really excited to see how he would be. Our last CO was a good speaker but not very personable, and I have had previous CO's that were REALLY filled with spirit and actually were a great encouragement.

So...this CO's first talk, he goes into this long speech about who will be resurrected. About how people have mistakenly assumed that anyone who dies before Armageddon will get a second chance and "brothers, THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!" He went on about how even though the separating of the sheep and goats does not happen until Armageddon, people that have a chance to hear the word and reject it will STILL not qualify for resurrection. He was very adamant about it (whereas it seems to be the WTS has even backed off a little on this stance). He used this as a basis about why the preaching work is important. Some motivation!

Number one, I get totally on edge when anyone starts getting adamant about WHO will be resurrected or not, since THERE IS NOT ANY WAY FOR US TO KNOW THAT, NOR IS IT OUR BUSINESS! Number two, how horrible in this day and time of troubles to use fear to try to motivate people.

Then, during his SECOND talk, he brought it up AGAIN. He read the scripture about a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, and he said there is another group, the wicked, who won't get a resurrection. Those who had a chance to change but were unwilling. Some of you may have relatives like that and are wondering will they be resurrected? Well brothers if they are unwilling to change why would you want them to be resurrected? Then at the very end he threw in the caveat, "of course we can't really know who will be resurrected or not". Duh, you were just trying to tell everyone! This second talk was supposed to be about "how to keep our hope alive". Again, thanks for the motivation!

I'm sorry to seem so negative...I was really looking forward to an encouraging visit and it was just a total downer. Although I usually keep my opinions to myself, I felt compelled to explain to my daughter in the car that NO ONE but Jehovah decides who will be resurrected.

Has anyone else heard anything similar, or is this brother just on a personal mission about this subject?

All I can say here is, it is no wonder some Jehovah's witnesses are confused with talks like that :confused:

[Jahsdisciple]

If the last days are the 42 months in Revelation,this means that the brothers of Christ will be doing their thing. Jesus said that they would do works greater than him. So,if this is true,then anyone who doesnt respond to these obvious signs that the Kingdom is established,I really dont think they deserve to be in the new world. Rejecting the signs of Jesus brothers to me is sinning against the holy spirit. Its a time of obvious signs about who is King. People at the end will know who is bringing the end because they ask the mountains to protect them..THEY KNOW who Jesus is by the end and that he is Jehovahs King. If that the case,then they dont belong in the New World.

[Tsaphah]

I'm sorry to hear that you were discouraged by this CO. I cannot judge this person, nor his speech, because I wasn't there to hear it, or the scriptural backing of his reasoning. I'm sure that this was not a personal standpoint of his. These talk outlines are regulated by the WTB&TS, and the Governing Body.

It could be that he used the scriptures at Luke 14 and the illustration of the wedding feast. If it was applied, to the great crowd, in this manner, I believe they are mistaken. This particular illustration was applied to the "chosen", those of the nation of Israel. They were to be the "Kingdom of kings and priests", along with Jesus Christ. If they rejected him and the offer to come to the feast, they would be replaced. That was the offer that was given to the Gentile followers of Christ, to replace the members of Israel.

These are the individuals spoken of as being part of the "first" resurrection. (Rev 20:5-6) The second resurrection will involve the great crowd, and all those who died before the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. They will include those who never had an opportunity to hear about Jehovah's plan for a paradise earth, or to learn who Jesus Christ was. Those will be, "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.” (Jn 5:29) If this is not the case, where do those of the nations, mentioned at Rev 20:7-9 come from? And if they are perfect, how are they deceived? They have all the same tendencies that they inherited from their birth. These have to be done away with by the teaching of the kings and priest of Christ's Government. There will likely be those who will not change.

Agape,
Tsaphah

[Molly]

Hi imjustaskin-

I can see where this CO's talk would not be encouraging. From what you have related, there is so much wrong with what he has said.

First, if he was using the separating of the sheep and the goats to promote the preaching work, he is a bit off base. Search those scriptures in Matthew 25. You will find nothing about preaching. There are only two groups to consider and each group refers to Christ as "Lord," which should tell us that he is seen by both groups as their master, so both groups are followers of Jesus. One group (the sheep) did good charitable works. The goats did not do any works of charity. That is the only difference between the two groups. It parallels James 2:14-17. Verse 14 says: "Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it?" The works spoken of are taking an interest in the needs of our fellow man, not the preaching work. So, it is just that simple. Those claiming to be followers of Jesus must have good works to back up their faith. As for when the judging takes place, that is irrelevant because Jesus will be judging what these individuals had been doing in the their past. That means we have to be doing these works starting now.

As for the resurrection, there is as Tsaphah pointed from John 5:29 a resurrection with (again) a resurrection of life for those who did "good things," but a resurrection of judgment for those who did "vile things."

I hope by now you are getting the sense of how important doing good works are to acquiring life. Without them we are all wasting our time. This is something that is rarely emphasized and if it is at all, the good works that are promoted are limited to the preaching work. That is not the way Jesus or James understood them at all.

In summary, I think that this brother is off base on much of what he was telling you.

[imjustaskin]

If the last days are the 42 months in Revelation,this means that the brothers of Christ will be doing their thing. Jesus said that they would do works greater than him. So,if this is true,then anyone who doesnt respond to these obvious signs that the Kingdom is established,I really dont think they deserve to be in the new world. Rejecting the signs of Jesus brothers to me is sinning against the holy spirit. Its a time of obvious signs about who is King. People at the end will know who is bringing the end because they ask the mountains to protect them..THEY KNOW who Jesus is by the end and that he is Jehovahs King. If that the case,then they dont belong in the New World.

I just think there is no way to make a blanket judgement about those who have an "opportunity" to hear the word but are "unwilling" to change. First of all, do we really know WHY someone doesn't respond to the word during the time we are in now? I'm not referring to the time right before Armageddon. My personal belief is that at that time it will be so obvious that no one will have any excuse about why they didn't make a choice.

The time right now though, things are still rather convoluted. For example, there are those on the outside who reject any teaching from Jehovah's Witnesses because of all the "distractions" that have been mixed in. I personally know several folks who won't even discuss our beliefs because they are so offended by our disfellowshiping policy. If those people die before Armageddon...well only Jehovah knows their heart condition. WOULD they have responded, if things had been the way they should have been? How can a human make that judgement.

Also there are many who are from such disfunctional family situations, backgrounds, mental capabilities...just because they had an "opportunity" to hear the word, how much of the imperfection of this system influenced them to where they were not even in a position to respond? Saying that someone is "unwilling" to change is something that I don't think we are in a position to judge.

It makes sense that those who were already judged for destruction BY JEHOVAH would not be resurrected - i.e. those destroyed in the flood - and those destroyed at Armageddon. But everybody else? "he that has died has been aquitted from his sins." Isn't that pretty clear?

[SlaveForJah]

It makes sense that those who were already judged for destruction BY JEHOVAH would not be resurrected - i.e. those destroyed in the flood - and those destroyed at Armageddon. But everybody else? "he that has died has been aquitted from his sins." Isn't that pretty clear?

As crystal.

This brother is simply way out of bounds. Jesus said: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18b) How can this brother imagine that said authority is conferred upon men to do judging prior to Judgment Day? Prior to Christ's return? Prior even to a hearing of the individual's case? Even the imperfect law of the United States got this one right: Innocent until proven guilty.

When will the Watchtower stick to its commission? It was not commissioned to judge. It (if ever it was commissioned) was commissioned to preach and teach. The judging is to be done by Christ.


Agape

SlaveForJah

[elihu]

yes Jesus is the Judge he has been given that authority by his Father john5 : 24-29

"most assuredly i say to you the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live

" For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in Himself
"and he has given Him authority to judge also because he Is the Son of Man"

" Do not marvel at this for the Hour is coming in which ALL who are in their graves will hear His voice
and come forth- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation"

It is Jesus who decides what is good and what is evil not man.

elihu

[carib-jim]

It makes sense that those who were already judged for destruction BY JEHOVAH would not be resurrected - i.e. those destroyed in the flood - and those destroyed at Armageddon. But everybody else? "he that has died has been aquitted from his sins." Isn't that pretty clear?

Having been convinced of the accuracy of all that WTBTS teaches for almost 20 yrs, I can understand why the belief that there have been people already judged by Jehovah is so attractive. It sure seems to make sense, according to the WTBTS' way of thinking, but not Jehovah's. The bible teaches that the systems of things that were of old and certain cities were destroyed and are not to return or be rebuilt. The people from these times though will be resurrected. Simply stated: the people of the flood, Sodom, Gomorrah, and persons who have not qualified for salvation at Armageddon but are NOT spirit anointed, will be resurrected.
These will be given the opportunity given to Adam and Eve, to demonstrate their appreciation for Jehovah under righteous conditions.

[Molly]

Hi All-

One thing that we must keep in consideration is who are dead according to Jesus. When Jesus encouraged a man to follow him the man said he must wait to bury his father. Jesus response (Matth. 8:22) was, "Keep following me, and let the dead bury the dead." The father apparently wasn't actually dead, only dead to the Jesus' message. Most of the Jewish nation at that time was in the same state of somnolence.

So, in Revelation chapter 20 were it talks of the dead not coming to life until the end of the thousand years, it doesn't mean they are in the grave. After all, after the thousand years when Satan is loosed he gathers them together to attack "the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city," there is apparently enough people to create an entire army to rise against the city. Likewise, when John sees the dead standing before the throne being judged individually according to their deeds, they can't very well be dead physically, so it must refer to that somnolent state regarding Jesus' message.

From Revelation chapter 21 we find that of the city New Jerusalem "the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it," but "only those written in the Lamb's scroll of life" can enter the city. The distinction here is that there are others amongst these nations that can't enter the city, probably because they are still dead. Chapter 22 talks of the river of life and leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. So, it sounds like there will be others during the thousand years that have an opportunity to be cured from their dead state and become acceptable.

The point is that we can't state that anyone in particular will not be alive or resurrected or given a second chance. It appears that there will be nations of people that have this opportunity.

Molly

[imjustaskin]

Thank you all for your scriptural responses. I appreciate the wealth of bible knowledge shared by people on this site! You guys rock.

[imjustaskin]

Just an update...so far I have heard of three different people in the congregation who have been either deeply disturbed or flat out in tears because of this CO telling them that those who "had a chance to change" will not be resurrected. I have no idea how it is being addressed by the elders, but can only imagine! One sister I know said, "well, it's hard when our understanding changes but we have to trust Jehovah and go with it."

I wanted to say, "uh, sorry, but my understanding DIDN"T change!"

At the service meeting, there was a demo for the Bible Teach book, and the householder picked the part about the resurrection, the publisher covered about how our loved ones will be resurrected and won't that be wonderful...

My husband, who usually says nothing, said, "wow, I guess we tell them that at the beginning and then when we get them in LATER we tell them the bad news!" This was a shocker coming from him! When I talked to my hubby a bit about it later (of course I wanted to pounce the opportunity for discussion) he said, well, people don't just need to jump on board with something because someone says it. He didn't get that people were jumping on board because it was a CO, and because that is what we are told to do. He also didn't get that even if he didn't believe it, look at all these others who are SO HURT by it.

All because it is not ok to question....

[shikinah]

Just an update...so far I have heard of three different people in the congregation who have been either deeply disturbed or flat out in tears because of this CO telling them that those who "had a chance to change" will not be resurrected. I have no idea how it is being addressed by the elders, but can only imagine! One sister I know said, "well, it's hard when our understanding changes but we have to trust Jehovah and go with it."

I wanted to say, "uh, sorry, but my understanding DIDN"T change!"

At the service meeting, there was a demo for the Bible Teach book, and the householder picked the part about the resurrection, the publisher covered about how our loved ones will be resurrected and won't that be wonderful...

My husband, who usually says nothing, said, "wow, I guess we tell them that at the beginning and then when we get them in LATER we tell them the bad news!" This was a shocker coming from him! When I talked to my hubby a bit about it later (of course I wanted to pounce the opportunity for discussion) he said, well, people don't just need to jump on board with something because someone says it. He didn't get that people were jumping on board because it was a CO, and because that is what we are told to do. He also didn't get that even if he didn't believe it, look at all these others who are SO HURT by it.

All because it is not ok to question....

Thank you for that, now for the first time since iv'e been here I realise that your a sister and not a brother, im a bit slow at times:p Its almost like their testing the flock to their limmits, you cant flip flop on this sort of thing, where talking about dead loved ones who many expected to meet again. I had this discussion a few days ago, and the brother said the Bible speaks of a resurrection of the good and the wicked, but the wicked to a cutting off:confused: so why bring them back if thats the case, as far as im concerned the wages of sin is death end of.


Shikinah

[Jahsdisciple]

[QUOTE=imjustaskin;43797]

So...this CO's first talk, he goes into this long speech about who will be resurrected. About how people have mistakenly assumed that anyone who dies before Armageddon will get a second chance and "brothers, THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!" He went on about how even though the separating of the sheep and goats does not happen until Armageddon, people that have a chance to hear the word and reject it will STILL not qualify for resurrection. He was very adamant about it (whereas it seems to be the WTS has even backed off a little on this stance). He used this as a basis about why the preaching work is important. Some motivation!

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Those that die at Armagedon do not recieve a second chance...thats because they have rejected to work of Jesus brothers. Its a judgment period. They have sinned against the holy spirit. Its like rejecting the 10 signs in Egypt..how else can you say these happened ?

Its not for this "C.O" to make any other judgnments about it.

It just sounds like he comes in,being black and white about something and he thinks that this somehow makes him sound like he is making a stand for the truth and wont compromise his standards...and that he is zealous for 'righteousness'..which includes denouncing the wicked because "they have rejected Jehovah and deserve to die" Im afraid people like this make me yawn ! They have no disernment and so make black and white statements...thats all they have. There are no scriptures to back this idea he has put forward...SO, just ignore the poor man.

Jah is the one who reads hearts..and if all this man can offer when he comes to a congregation is a lecture that Jah will destroy the wicked,then he has nothing to offer. If people were upset by this,it should have got back to him..and what did he do about that ?? Show some empathy ? try to find out who the upset people were and reasure them Jah will give all a fair chance,no matter what that is ? NO,he says the same things again..like i said, nothing to offer that can make people feel encouraged because of the burdens they carry. All he did was add to them. All he is, is a traveling elder. nothing more,nothing less. And some elders have NO people skills and very little discernment.

[uglyandthin]

[QUOTE=imjustaskin;43797]

So...this CO's first talk, he goes into this long speech about who will be resurrected. About how people have mistakenly assumed that anyone who dies before Armageddon will get a second chance and "brothers, THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!" He went on about how even though the separating of the sheep and goats does not happen until Armageddon, people that have a chance to hear the word and reject it will STILL not qualify for resurrection. He was very adamant about it (whereas it seems to be the WTS has even backed off a little on this stance). He used this as a basis about why the preaching work is important. Some motivation!

QUOTE]

Those that die at Armagedon do not recieve a second chance...thats because they have rejected to work of Jesus brothers. Its a judgment period. They have sinned against the holy spirit. Its like rejecting the 10 signs in Egypt..how else can you say these happened ?

Its not for this "C.O" to make any other judgnments about it.

It just sounds like he comes in,being black and white about something and he thinks that this somehow makes him sound like he is making a stand for the truth and wont compromise his standards...and that he is zealous for 'righteousness'..which includes denouncing the wicked because "they have rejected Jehovah and deserve to die" Im afraid people like this make me yawn ! They have no disernment and so make black and white statements...thats all they have. There are no scriptures to back this idea he has put forward...SO, just ignore the poor man.

Jah is the one who reads hearts..and if all this man can offer when he comes to a congregation is a lecture that Jah will destroy the wicked,then he has nothing to offer. If people were upset by this,it should have got back to him..and what did he do about that ?? Show some empathy ? try to find out who the upset people were and reasure them Jah will give all a fair chance,no matter what that is ? NO,he says the same things again..like i said, nothing to offer that can make people feel encouraged because of the burdens they carry. All he did was add to them. All he is, is a traveling elder. nothing more,nothing less. And some elders have NO people skills and very little discernment.

Hi All:

I don't know if this is the "official" understanding of the WTBTS at this time, but it is not uncommon for CO's to inject more than a litte of thier own opinion on matters in their talks. I remember we had a CO who told us both in his talk to the congregation and in our servants and Elders meetings that if any brothers hunted and owned firearms that they could not and should not be recommended for positions in the congregations such as Pioneer, Ministerial Servants or Elders. This was a big laugh as the presiding overseer (that's what they were called at the time, I think there is a new term now that elludes me) at the time had two kids at Watchtower Farm and they kept thier guns locked in the Societies Gun Safe at the Farm. It was clearly his personal opinion and we just ignored it as a body.

Otherwise, this brother was one of the nicest and kindest of CO's that I have ever come across in my travels. You see, his only child, his daughter was killed by her husband with a hunting rifle, and this apparently was one of the ways in which he dealt with that tradegy. Don't know if there is a similar reason why this CO is saying this or not. If it is "new light" from the society, what does that say about "new light". He clearly does not know, nor does the society know the Love of God, and if the Society has joined him in this folly, shame on them. Fear of Jehovah is the start of wisdom, understanding and applying the Love of God perfectly is the gaining of Wisdom.

uglyandthin

[imjustaskin]

[QUOTE=Jahsdisciple;44451]

Hi All:

Otherwise, this brother was one of the nicest and kindest of CO's that I have ever come across in my travels. You see, his only child, his daughter was killed by her husband with a hunting rifle, and this apparently was one of the ways in which he dealt with that tradegy.
uglyandthin

You know, I get that! I know that they are just people and carry their own baggage and emotion as the rest of us do. If it were "OK" to look at them that way, then we wouldn't have these problems. The problem is that everyone is TRYING to "never question by word or action the channel that Jehovah is using" (as the recent Watchtower said). The result: there is one person I am actually worried about being permanently stumbled over this.

But do I have the courage to go to that person and say, "ya know, it's just one person's opinion"??? Maybe I'm just mad at myself for my own fear. But we all know what happens when you start opening your mouth.

[imjustaskin]

Haven't been able to get here in awhile - missed you guys!

Further update....When going over the Bible reading about David pretending to be insane to protect himself, the elder said, "So what is this trying to teach us? That Jehovah expects us to use our minds and our reasoning abilities. Say for example, you heard something, maybe in a talk, something that you didn't understand, or even found discouraging. Jehovah expects you to use your reasoning abilities! He expects you to think about what is being said! And of course, you can always go to the elders about it as well..."

I have to say, I love my elders! (For the most part...) They try really hard to keep things reasonable. Any elder with a decent heart is in a very difficult position today, trying to balance things but without getting into trouble with the org. I think when things hit the fan, we will discover there are more folks like us out there.

[tortas]

We got a new CO assigned to our circuit and are just having his first visit this week. I was really excited to see how he would be. Our last CO was a good speaker but not very personable, and I have had previous CO's that were REALLY filled with spirit and actually were a great encouragement.

So...this CO's first talk, he goes into this long speech about who will be resurrected. About how people have mistakenly assumed that anyone who dies before Armageddon will get a second chance and "brothers, THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE!" He went on about how even though the separating of the sheep and goats does not happen until Armageddon, people that have a chance to hear the word and reject it will STILL not qualify for resurrection. He was very adamant about it (whereas it seems to be the WTS has even backed off a little on this stance). He used this as a basis about why the preaching work is important. Some motivation!

Number one, I get totally on edge when anyone starts getting adamant about WHO will be resurrected or not, since THERE IS NOT ANY WAY FOR US TO KNOW THAT, NOR IS IT OUR BUSINESS! Number two, how horrible in this day and time of troubles to use fear to try to motivate people.

Then, during his SECOND talk, he brought it up AGAIN. He read the scripture about a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, and he said there is another group, the wicked, who won't get a resurrection. Those who had a chance to change but were unwilling. Some of you may have relatives like that and are wondering will they be resurrected? Well brothers if they are unwilling to change why would you want them to be resurrected? Then at the very end he threw in the caveat, "of course we can't really know who will be resurrected or not". Duh, you were just trying to tell everyone! This second talk was supposed to be about "how to keep our hope alive". Again, thanks for the motivation!

I'm sorry to seem so negative...I was really looking forward to an encouraging visit and it was just a total downer. Although I usually keep my opinions to myself, I felt compelled to explain to my daughter in the car that NO ONE but Jehovah decides who will be resurrected.

Has anyone else heard anything similar, or is this brother just on a personal mission about this subject?

he may be one of those 'brothers' in sheeps clothing; truth is not in him

but who knows?

[shikinah]

Haven't been able to get here in awhile - missed you guys!

Further update....When going over the Bible reading about David pretending to be insane to protect himself, the elder said, "So what is this trying to teach us? That Jehovah expects us to use our minds and our reasoning abilities. Say for example, you heard something, maybe in a talk, something that you didn't understand, or even found discouraging. Jehovah expects you to use your reasoning abilities! He expects you to think about what is being said! And of course, you can always go to the elders about it as well..."

I have to say, I love my elders! (For the most part...) They try really hard to keep things reasonable. Any elder with a decent heart is in a very difficult position today, trying to balance things but without getting into trouble with the org. I think when things hit the fan, we will discover there are more folks like us out there.

Nice to have you back again:)
This is why we cant tar every elder with the same brush, but soon enough a righteous heart will have to speak out, as its this heart condition which seperates us from the rest.

Shikinah

[arimatthewdavies]

he may be one of those 'brothers' in sheeps clothing; truth is not in him

but who knows?

i had someone give me this explaination, on the resurection,,,he said man is physically and mentally very sick from birth because of inherited sin god is resurecting the good and the bad god himself will decide quickly,fairly,and justly were you will be placed in jesus millinium regeneration programn, some will receive pleasent schooling, some will receive a more military form of schooling involving restitution. still others will simply and humanly cease to exist,,
the man further explained that certain peoples who were judicialy executed by jehovah will not be resurected, he further explaied that being resurected into the millenium is no gurentee of 1000 of life

[Jeshurun]

They changed their mind a half dozen times (or was it a dozen?) about the people of Sodom and Gomorrah getting resurrected. Do we really give a hoot what they think at any given moment? It's good to vent but don't lose a minute of sleep over these Pharisee cultmasters and gatekeepers. Let THEM take the TELEPHONE POLE out of their own eye!

Jesh