How would you survive and serve if the WTBS vanished today?

[one white robe]

How would you survive - live and serve him - if the WTBS vanished today.


How would you survive - live and serve him - if the WTBS vanished today.


Given the recent discussions, generated from the topic “Resignation”, about weather we should encourage others to leave the WTBS it got me thinking about this point.

If the WTBS was to fall tomorrow (for whatever reason) how would you live afterwards? After years of being spoon-fed with spiritual material, set meetings and set field service ….how would you replace it your life? If communication with other brothers and sisters was lost …how would you deal with the isolation - (especially if it went on for a few years before Jehovah provided another sanctuary)?

How would you serve Jehovah?
Where would you find the peace you get from meetings & association with other who think the same way?
Where would you get the spiritual food that you use to energize your psyche?
How would you declare his name to the nations? How would you replace field service?

Sometimes when we are given everything and we rely on someone to take care of us all the time we don’t know how to fend for ourselves.

Because I have not attended meetings for years I have had to find a way to hunt down my own (spiritual) food and survive in a spiritual deseart (apart from discussions on this board). I have had to find a way to amuse myself without going back to the world. I have had to find ways to declare his name and his plan without set field service. IN SHORT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LOOK TO JEHOVAH AND YESHUA. I HAVE BEE FORCED TO LOOK TO COMFORT FROM HOLY SPIRIT.

I have truly learned to benefit from the promise given in John 14:25 –

25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Through reliance on Jehovah and pleading for Holy Spirit I have learned to survive spiritually in a desert.

If you were faced today with no WTBS to support, encourage, organize field service and feed you …just how would you survive (especially if it went on for a few years before Jehovah provided another sanctuary)?


Peace in Jehovah and our master, Yeshua

OWR

[one white robe]

Just one other obstacle. I am not talking about surviving for a week, a month or even a year. I am talking about survivg for lets say 1260 days or longer with no meetings, no literature counter, no reading schedule, no access to other brothers or sisters, no guidance from elders.......and while experiencing all this LIVING IN JOY AND STILL GOING OUT TO BEAR WITNESS. Somehow the brothers who lived before the WTBS did it!

Maybee its a good time to set out a plan!

[shikinah]

Just one other obstacle. I am not talking about surviving for a week, a month or even a year. I am talking about survivg for lets say 1260 days or longer with no meetings, no literature counter, no reading schedule, no access to other brothers or sisters, no guidance from elders.......and while experiencing all this LIVING IN JOY AND STILL GOING OUT TO BEAR WITNESS. Somehow the brothers who lived before the WTBS did it!

Maybee its a good time to set out a plan!

It wouldnt make one bit of difference to me, as I have learnt to study alone for a few years now and have little contact with brothers and sisters and cut off worldy contact and went through a spiritual isolation which a chain of events led me to, but realised it was like a form of spiritual training, it was so lonely words cant describe the emptiness, but I drew closer to Jehovah and realised it was a blessing in disguise.. but having this little family hear has helped immensely. But I know that most would find it extremely hard because they have become use to spiritual routine and dependancy. Being observed and under the elders eyes means you may also fear doing wrong or being disfellowshiped, but having to do whats right when your totally free is a completely different kettle of fish, this is when the true test begins.

[SWORDOFJAH]

How would you survive - live and serve him - if the WTBS vanished today.


How would you survive - live and serve him - if the WTBS vanished today.


Given the recent discussions, generated from the topic “Resignation”, about weather we should encourage others to leave the WTBS it got me thinking about this point.

If the WTBS was to fall tomorrow (for whatever reason) how would you live afterwards? After years of being spoon-fed with spiritual material, set meetings and set field service ….how would you replace it your life? If communication with other brothers and sisters was lost …how would you deal with the isolation - (especially if it went on for a few years before Jehovah provided another sanctuary)?

How would you serve Jehovah?
Where would you find the peace you get from meetings & association with other who think the same way?
Where would you get the spiritual food that you use to energize your psyche?
How would you declare his name to the nations? How would you replace field service?

Sometimes when we are given everything and we rely on someone to take care of us all the time we don’t know how to fend for ourselves.

Because I have not attended meetings for years I have had to find a way to hunt down my own (spiritual) food and survive in a spiritual deseart (apart from discussions on this board). I have had to find a way to amuse myself without going back to the world. I have had to find ways to declare his name and his plan without set field service. IN SHORT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LOOK TO JEHOVAH AND YESHUA. I HAVE BEE FORCED TO LOOK TO COMFORT FROM HOLY SPIRIT.

I have truly learned to benefit from the promise given in John 14:25 –

25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Through reliance on Jehovah and pleading for Holy Spirit I have learned to survive spiritually in a desert.

If you were faced today with no WTBS to support, encourage, organize field service and feed you …just how would you survive (especially if it went on for a few years before Jehovah provided another sanctuary)?


Peace in Jehovah and our master, Yeshua

OWR

JW"s don't rely on any legal entity. We rely on Jehovah and his spirit.The WT is a legal entity. If that legal entity is dismantle we will continue doing what we have been doing since Abel,serve Jehovah with our heart,mind and soul.

[Eyes & Ears]

I would survive as I am surviving now with Jehovah's help. Why, because I have

learned that it is only Jehovah who can give me life and that I can completely trust.

This has been a very hard

lesson/journey with many ups and downs. More downs than ups. Ya know what

I truly believe now, I believe that many who attend meetings at this time

attend for various reasons. I believe many of us here who attend

the meetings, assemblies, conventions, etc. realize the type of food

that is being served. I believe that many of us here also understand

the future of religion/organizations and what we must do to survive.

I don't believe anyone on this board is relying on the WTBTS for their

total spiritual feeding program. I believe many understand that it

was/is a tool being used by Jehovah and Jehovah will do with it what

he sees fit when he sees fit.

I believe many of us here (and other witnesses as well) also understand what

we need to do in order to keep ourselves spiritually nourished and

not starve to death. We can see that from the interchange on the forum.

Although I attend meetings, I very seldom read any of the literature. That does

not mean that everything in the literature is evil or wrong. It just means that

I skim through it if that, and mainly stick to the Bible. I talk to others about

Jehovah's Kingdom whenever the opportunity presents itself, and most times

I will find ways to initiate conversations. It could be with my hair stylist,

manicurist, cable person, at the market, just taking a walk. For now we all

have the relative peace to exercise that freedom. It won't be that easy

in the future. I also believe that most of us here understand

that there is an operation of error that Jehovah has allowed to enter his

household. As individuals we have to decide how we are going to deal

with what all that means to us. It is a personal decision between us and Jehovah.

So I won't go on and on. The question was how would you survive....................

I don't give a hill of beans if the WTBTS vanishes today or tomorrow. My

relationship is with Jehovah. I believe the problem for me in the past

was that I did not recognize that there is a difference. I believed the WTBTS

and Jehovah were almost the same thing. It is not. The WTBTS is as has

been expressed a legal entity. It is not Jehovah. Until there is an understanding

that there is a difference most witnesses will have problems separating their

relationship/loyalties from the society and it might prove fatal unfortunately if

they do not allow Jehovah to redirect them when those spiritual proddings

are pleading for them to change direction.

Now with all that said I still believe there will come a time when all those awake will

recognize the disgusting thing and Jehovah's Spirit will certainly direct us, but

we will have to understand and act. None of this I have to wait for my mate

I can't leave my friends, I am staying for this one and that one. When Jehovah

says to move I plan on moving and hopefully with Jehovah's help I won't

be a Lot's wife. (hmmmmm)

As far as the preaching work goes, for years I have believed that if they

stopped the nonsense with the hours and this pioneer stuff the friends would

hit the street in droves. I could care less about hours or the title of pioneer,

etc. Does Jehovah care about that, I think not. I think he is interested in

heartfelt genuine preaching of his Kingdom and helping others to understand

what he requires, along with helping others less fortunate if we have

the means to do so.

So me, I don't care one single bit if the WTBTS vanished at any time. But I will

say once again repeating as I have over the last several months

that Stuff is happening inside Jehovah's household, stuff is happening

behind the scenes, Jehovah is allowing it. We have to know where we are with

all of that and who our relationship is with, make sure of what we are doing and

listen to the voice of our father. That's the bottom line for me.

Before I close up I would like to say, I don't really socialize with anyone

that much anymore. I go to some meetings, out in service when I can, and talk

to others informally. I do not depend on anyone anymore to be totally honest with

you all to feed me. I have Jehovah's Word (my scroll) Jehovah's Holy Spirit

The model of his son. I also come here.

Is it lonely not to be able to share what we have learned face to face with others

you bet it is. But I have found a way to survive now and HOLD ON TIGHT, I pray

that what I am going through now with Jehovah's help is preparing me

to survive when everything falls apart. I pray for others as well to remember to

stay focused and realize that we can only survive with Jehovah's help.

Jesus Christ gave his life for us. As I think about

the love that Jesus has for his father and for humankind to die such a painful

death, and to go through all the many hurtful things that he did and his

Father watched knowing his son would be faithful, it makes me determined

with Jehovah's help to do whatever needs to be done to be a part of

Jehovah's purpose, to be obedient to him and help others as I was commanded to

do.

Well that's about it. Now you all know that I can go on and on right (:):D)

Closing now aren't ya all glad (LOL)


E & E


Matthew 22:36-40

[FutureMan]

JW"s don't rely on any legal entity. We rely on Jehovah and his spirit.The WT is a legal entity. If that legal entity is dismantle we will continue doing what we have been doing since Abel,serve Jehovah with our heart,mind and soul.

Maybe not SWORDOFJAH, but it was this same legal entity that you talk about that hold judicial committees over those who do not rely on this legal entity and it's "faithful slave", and it persecutes them through their appointed elders in each congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I'm afraid you and ones like you have blinkers on, as you cannot see the dangers around you but only see what is ahead of you as you are guided by the reins of your masters, the "faithful and discreet slave".

A horse with blinkers has no choice but to go straight ahead in the direction that his master tells him, it does not see the snake on the side of the road sneak up on him, and neither does its handler.

But while the horse might die of snake bite, the handler might only be inconvenienced for a while because his horse has died.

[SWORDOFJAH]

[QUOTE=FutureMan;43960][SIZE=3]

Maybe not SWORDOFJAH, but it was this same legal entity that you talk about that hold judicial committees over those who do not rely on this legal entity and it's "faithful slave", and it persecutes them through their appointed elders in each congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

No FM. judicial committees are held in the congregations for scriptual reasons.

I'm afraid you and ones like you have blinkers on, as you cannot see the dangers around you but only see what is ahead of you as you are guided by the reins of your masters, the "faithful and discreet slave".

FM what dangerous??? Can you point them out??? My masters are Jehovah and Jesus as well for all the JW'S.

A horse with blinkers has no choice but to go straight ahead in the direction that his master tells him, it does not see the snake on the side of the road sneak up on him, and neither does its handler.

Yes JW'S avoid false teachings from false masters. We look straight ahead to the new heavens and the new earth.

But while the horse might die of snake bite, the handler might only be inconvenienced for a while because his horse has died.

Jehovah will protect and support his servants.

[Eyes & Ears]

Maybe not SWORDOFJAH, but it was this same legal entity that you talk about that hold judicial committees over those who do not rely on this legal entity and it's "faithful slave", and it persecutes them through their appointed elders in each congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I'm afraid you and ones like you have blinkers on, as you cannot see the dangers around you but only see what is ahead of you as you are guided by the reins of your masters, the "faithful and discreet slave".

A horse with blinkers has no choice but to go straight ahead in the direction that his master tells him, it does not see the snake on the side of the road sneak up on him, and neither does its handler.

But while the horse might die of snake bite, the handler might only be inconvenienced for a while because his horse has died.





Future man,

I just want you to know that if I was closer to you I would give you a great big

sisterly hug. You have been through so very much, you have such a love for our

Father and I can feel it when you speak. May Jehovah continue to hold you up as

you HOLD ON TIGHT TO HIM OKEY DOKEY.


Love to you and your family.


E & E

PSALMS 88:1

O Jehovah, the God of my salvation, By day I have cried out, in the night also in front of you.

[Cephalon]

JW"s don't rely on any legal entity. We rely on Jehovah and his spirit.The WT is a legal entity. If that legal entity is dismantle we will continue doing what we have been doing since Abel,serve Jehovah with our heart,mind and soul.

Well said my brother.

[Cephalon]

Maybe not SWORDOFJAH, but it was this same legal entity that you talk about that hold judicial committees over those who do not rely on this legal entity and it's "faithful slave", and it persecutes them through their appointed elders in each congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I'm afraid you and ones like you have blinkers on, as you cannot see the dangers around you but only see what is ahead of you as you are guided by the reins of your masters, the "faithful and discreet slave".

A horse with blinkers has no choice but to go straight ahead in the direction that his master tells him, it does not see the snake on the side of the road sneak up on him, and neither does its handler.

But while the horse might die of snake bite, the handler might only be inconvenienced for a while because his horse has died.



I wonder what would you do, when the WT goes down (sure it will go down)?

I mean you spend all you time hating on JW's and the WT. It has became your hobby now. Since the WT would no longer exist for you to take shots at, what would become of your life? What would you do now?How would you survive?
I guess there will always be the JW's for you to hate.

[FutureMan]

I wonder what would you do, when the WT goes down (sure it will go down)?

I mean you spend all you time hating on JW's and the WT. It has became your hobby now. Since the WT would no longer exist for you to take shots at, what would become of your life? What would you do now?How would you survive?
I guess there will always be the JW's for you to hate.

I'm sorry Cephalon, that you have already determined what is in my heart, it just like ones like you to do that..

But you have misread me.

I do not hate Jehovah's Witnesses, otherwise why would I be here on this forum among Witnesses.

I could just as easily gone to the Jehovah's Witness.net forum to spread hate if that is what I wanted to do.

Some of them indeed do believe in spreading hate of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society.

You know by my posts that that is not the case, my main concern is the "truth".

However I do not tolerate pharisee like elements that will stop at nothing to control their members, no matter how it effects them or how it effects their faith in God and his Christ.

The Watchtower Society has proven to me to be this pharisee like element, so if you and ones like you, agree that they are there for our best interest as a whole, then why are you here?

And so I'm not supporting them, because I do not believe that they have God's Spirit and now I'm wondering whether they ever did.

But that is my thinking however and I'll leave that judgment up to God and Jesus as his designated King.

But I'm mindful of this cry "My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues;
5 because her sins joined together, even up to Heaven, and God remembered her unjust deeds. Revelation 18:4

Now I myself, do believe that this organization is still part of Babylon the great because it is has acted like previous religions that are hell bent on controlling their members no matter what the cost. And they use their clergy like elders to achieve this.

[FutureMan]

Future man,

I just want you to know that if I was closer to you I would give you a great big

sisterly hug. You have been through so very much, you have such a love for our

Father and I can feel it when you speak. May Jehovah continue to hold you up as

you HOLD ON TIGHT TO HIM OKEY DOKEY.


Love to you and your family.


E & E

PSALMS 88:1

O Jehovah, the God of my salvation, By day I have cried out, in the night also in front of you.

Eyes & Ears, thank you very much for your understanding.

[Eyes & Ears]

Hi SwordofJah,

I hope you and your family are having a good day, and that Jehovah be with
you.


I just wanted to share my thoughts with you on this expression you made below:


JW"s don't rely on any legal entity. We rely on Jehovah and his spirit.The WT is a legal entity. If that legal entity is dismantle we will continue doing what we have been doing since Abel,serve Jehovah with our heart,mind and soul.



As I witness the activities of Jehovah's people over the years, basically the majority

of them do believe they totally rely on Jehovah and his Holy Spirit.

But It is my opinion from years of dealing with the b/s that I know that

they do rely on the WTBTS. So many of these friends have no idea of the

difference between the WTBTS and their relationship with Jehovah. I am not

saying all the friends, but there are many who do not understand this. It took

me years to realize: hmmmm so that is why I felt something was not right.

Then I went beserk and Jehovah allowed me to do whatever I wanted

because I really did not turn to him until I ended up like Nebuchadnezzar

almost face down in the dirt. Not a good time. Anyways.......................


SOJ if you were to make that statement around the friends, they would give you

the big JW eyeball stare, clam up and start whispering while questioning

your love for Jehovah. That is how many are. They would question your loyalty

until perhaps a more mature one was able to help them understand. That is if they

even understand. More than likely they would not want to even touch that

statement.



If information has not been printed in a pub or KM that the WTBTS is just a legal

entity, they will not budge on it. They have to see stuff from Bethel in print,

and I truly believe that you know that because most of your expressions

are quotes from publications. I am not attacking you for doing that, so please

don't take it that way. I would pm you if I wanted to say something like that.

The reality of this is many of JW's will be devastated, lost, confused truly a mess

when Jehovah intervenes with the activities of the society. SOJ I respect your

right to express yourself, but SOJ not all witnesses are as far along in their

spiritual journey or relationship with Jehovah as you, or many of us on this

board. They are as has been expressed here recently at different stages of that

journey/walk/relationship. We are all not eating meat. Some are still gumming

the basics and trying to digest that. They are not encouraged to do any

research unless it is research approved by those taking the lead in Bethel.

For example: In our Benefit From Theo Min Ed book on page 153 in the

blue box on the top of that page it says: Make sure that any application of a

scripture is in harmony with the context and with the Bible as a whole.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT RIGHT, but then it concludes with this statement:

"THE APPLICATION SHOULD ALSO BE IN HARMONY WITH WHAT

HAS BEEN PUBLISHED BY "THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE."


Hmmmmmm, now that is something. There is something wrong with that

statement in my opinion SOJ, something very very very wrong. But that is

my opinion and much comes into play with how we understand things.


So SOJ it is wonderful that you are where you are in your relationship with

Jehovah, but it will be a devastating thing for many that have not come to

the understanding how the WTBTS was/is used by Jehovah as a tool to

spread the Kingdom message regarding his purpose.

I would also like to add that that is why I believe many X-JW's are very angry and

bitter and not able to move beyond that. It is one thing to hurt and be

disappointed, but it is another thing to stay stuck there and not realize at some

point that you were responsible for your condition as well. It is unfortuante

that those who leave under those conditions unless they ask for Jehovah's

direction and help will never understand why these things happened and why

Jehovah allowed them. They will blame everyone else and some even

question that there is a God at all.


So SOJ I just wanted to share some of my feelings with you today. It is

OKEY DOKEY in my opinion to understand how the WTBTS is used, but

as has been asked here regarding how would you survive, I do

believe many JW's will experience severe shock when something


does happen to the society. They will experience this shock because they

put their faith in the Society, the GB and not in Jehovah and his Holy Spirit as

they thought they did. They will find out that they have been deceived and

depending on where we are when that happens it is how they pick up

the pieces if there is still time and turn around and follow the

direction of Jehovah's Holy Spirit.


Take care SOJ looking forward to your thoughts if you want to share.

E & E


Just wanted to add about the friends seeing something in print from Bethel. Sometimes the friends see things and it does not even register. They still don't connect the dots.

Some friends are making sure, but most are half asleep and doing whatever they
are told and believing and studying and researching what they are told.

Only those who want to worship in spirit and in truth and want to be directed by
Jehovah's Holy Spirit will understand.

Just some additional thoughts.

[Cephalon]

I'm sorry Cephalon, that you have already determined what is in my heart, it just like ones like you to do that..

Sorry I do not read heart. I read what you have posted on the forum.
Remember, I am a lowly JW. We are not as spiritually strong, as faultless, as holy, as perfect as ones like you; so there is no way I could read your heart. I'm not on your level yet...probably never will be.



But you have misread me.

I do not hate Jehovah's Witnesses, otherwise why would I be here on this forum among Witnesses.You would not believe how many have their own agenda for being here.

[Gilligan]

You would not believe how many have their own agenda for being here.




Quite a number of members here, post here, to vent their anger.
Quite a few post here with admirable thoughts regarding the Scriptures and personal experiences.
Quite a few drop out or get "DF'd" because of radical viewpoints.

To reason out why a member is here "for an agenda", is really not for us to ASSUME, as to why,,,

Gills

[steff]

You would not believe how many have their own agenda for being here.



so why are you here? just thinking if I was ok with whats inside an org, I wouldn't be here.
steff

[Jahsdisciple]

And so I'm not supporting them, because I do not believe that they have God's Spirit and now I'm wondering whether they ever did.



Thats because of what you choose to focus on. Can any family say they have no problems ? If they have problems does this mean they are no longer a family because you would like it to be all idealistic and like the new world before the time for it to be here has arrived ?

The fact that you doubt Jah HS was ever there proves this point. The good that is there proves His HS IS there..and if we experienced horrors at the hands of blind people,that doesnt mean Jahs HS isnt there simply because of what we have gone through. Thats means all we see is what we go through...and life is a lot more than about us. What about the GOOD that other HAVE experienced there...where does that come from ?

Bad experiences can blind us because pain is a terrible thing to deal with,esp from people who we thought were our 'brothers'. But thats life at the moment.

You used the example of blinkers on a horse..well,that cuts both ways. If you dont want to see the good thats there,thats because you put on your own blinkers and have chosen to ignore it to the point that you doubt Jahs HS is there at all..EVER ! Id say thats just as blind as those you were talking about.

[Steadfast]

Idolatry





Storm clouds gather darkly with uncertainty and fear



As the ones who see the risk for those that they hold dear.



For these unsuspecting ones ignore the warning signs



Missing what lay just ahead with blindness and closed minds.





What caused their blindness and the inability to see



The truth The Father says all need to keep integrity.



Did they forget to focus on the scriptures that would bring



The insight and the wisdom to repel an unclean thing?





The prophecies recount the sins that Israel of old



Committed in the name of Yah despite their being told.



God sent prophets to declare His hurt and His disdain



Entreating that His people from idolatry refrain.





The people killed the prophets shunning warnings they proclaimed



And by their conduct and their speech Jehovah's name defamed.



It brought the wrath of God upon them for their sinful choice



For silencing and not heeding the true prophet's warning voice.





What is our place as we proceed in knowledge that we see



The impact of the prophecy to set our brothers free.



From chains that bind them to the sinking ship that will descend



To depths of prison beyond reach to salvage and amend.





Should we warn our brothers of the danger just ahead



Or shrink back fearing death from man in cowardice and dread?



Jehovah takes no pleasure or delight in one who swerves



Aside from showing loyalty in faith that He deserves.





The idol that is worshipped now instead of Yah himself



Is speechless mute and valueless with no sustaining wealth.



It gives no words of insight-blinded eyes that cannot see



To bring the death of those that yield and bend on willing knee.





The Scriptures warn us to refrain from gross idolatry



To be on guard that we are pure and accusation-free.


June 10, 2005


Love,

Steadfast

[Jahsdisciple]

Idolatry



Storm clouds gather darkly with uncertainty and fear

To be on guard that we are pure and accusation-free.



June 10, 2005


Love,



Steadfast



OOooo... steadfast quoted some poetry,that MUST BE significant.

Anybody who sees there is good there must be idolatrous...yea right!

Your agenda against JWs is well known..even lying to be part of this forum..or did you lie so that you could warn us poor blind souls ? Either way,a lie is a lie..and this is the very thing you accuse the WTS of. Pot kettle black.

[FGM]

During the time of the early Christian congregation there was persecution. As a result the then existing organization "went down" According to Acts 8:1."In that day great persecution arose against the congregation that was in Jerusalem; all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria. "
Perhaps a semblance of organization remained as it says later in Acts 8:14,15
"When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they dispatched Peter and John to them; 15and these went down and prayed for them to get holy spirit."

For all intents and purposes for those scattered there was no organization as they had known it.
However, what did these ones do? They continued preaching. We have seen similar situations in modern times when the witnesses have been under ban or persecution. The preaching work continues.

If Jehovah had wanted to, he could have prevented such situations from happening. He could have made sure that the organization representing his name was protected and that no scattering would take place. But he didn't. He allowed it. Some believe that the purpose was to spread the message abroad by those who were fleeing the opposition. Whatever the reason, Jehovah allowed it.

However in these situation did ALL react in the same way? I am sure that during such times there were those who turned away from what they had been doing when times were good. They may have felt that it was a sign of Jehovah's disapproval or a withdrawing of his spirit. With no "organization" to guide them they gave up.

So if at any time in the future the WTS vanishes then I would feel that Jehovah has a good reason. It served a purpose but that purpose has now finished. Something that in the beginning was good but now has gone bad. But I am sure that not all will react in the same way. As mentioned before it seems the WTS has bred in most part a group of people who follow the FDS slavishly.
Maybe it is time for them to reassess what they are doing, what really is the driving force behind their worship of Jehovah. It would be a time of great internal struggle but also a refining.
To find out where our true loyalties lie. With men or with Jehovah.

[Juan23]

[QUOTE=FutureMan;43960][SIZE=3]
No FM. judicial committees are held in the congregations for scriptual reasons.


I was in front of a JC. I do not remember any scriptural reason for my being dragged before that "august" body. I was there because I used literature that did not originate from the WT writing committee. One of the elders (at my appeal) even said that it was not "apostate" (RK's Imagining Paradise article). In the end he voted with the rest. He probably could have got into trouble himself if he persisted in his view.

I tried mightily to convince them that the article was not only, not apostate, but that it was encouraging, but to no avail. In my frustration I brought out 1914, UN NGO, spiritual paradise, God's people being disciplined first, and my fate was sealed. Accusing the society of errors at a JC is like bringing out the Pope's sins in front of the inquisition.

I don't know if my experience is an exception, but from what the brothers in this forum are posting it doesn't seem to be.

[Cephalon]

so why are you here?
Maybe I have my own agenda, who knows? or maybe because I am a JW and this is a forum about JW.
Why are you here?



just thinking if I was ok with whats inside an org, I wouldn't be here.
steff
So let me see if I understand you well. One has to be disgruntled, angry, WT-bashing to be here? I did not know that Robert change the requirements for being here.
And btw, who said anything about being "ok with whats inside an org"?