Child Molestation cover-up may cost Pope his job

[uglyandthin]

Hi All:

Here is a very well written article by Mike Whitney on this subject. You could easily substitute the words Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for anywhere the Catholic Church is mentioned and the article would probably stand up pretty well. They use the same secrecy and disgenuine empathy for the victims of these atrocities. You could easily call them the Catholic Church and Catholic Church lite for that matter, the only difference being that the Catholic Church lost Jehovah's spirit centuries ago, the Watchtower only recently has. Have a good read and I can already hear the WTBTS apologists tapping out replies on thier keyboards.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18408

uglyandthin

[Anthony]

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You can play this using the little player in the box. I am sure through out the whole talk, there are many things to comment on, but as it relates to this thread, listen closely starting at min 27:00 to 28:00.

[URL]http://www.archive.org/details/BewareOfTheBirdCatcher (http://www.archive.org/details/BewareOfTheBirdCatcher)

[uglyandthin]

You can play this using the little player in the box. I am sure through out the whole talk, there are many things to comment on, but as it relates to this thread, listen closely starting at min 27:00 to 28:00.

http://www.archive.org/details/BewareOfTheBirdCatcher

Hi Anthony:

Is this you speaking on this tape or is it another Anthony? Anthony Morris likens anyone who questions the moral integrity of the "Watchtower" as having Satan the Devil as a father. Is that what you believe Anthony? Have you every served in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses as an Elder? Have you sat on multiple child molestation committee's? Have you corresponded with the society for direction and looked at previous correspondence from the WTBTS on how to handle a child molestation issue? Have you? Have you looked into the eyes of a child that you are sure has been molested and known there was little or nothing that you could do for her because your hands and feet were tied by "the brothers"? Have you given up your entire life and family and friends (including a wife that you love with your heart, soul, mind and spirit who now looks at you in disgust) because you could no longer live this lie? I have! I know what thier stance is and I know it in detail and neither you nor Anthony Morris or any other Governing Body member could convince me any different. Thier words say that they "hate this sin and we love our children" like Anthony Morris says during minutes 27-28 of this tape, but this is not just a sin, it is a crime of the most vile nature and it needs to be dealt with by those that have the authority to punish such criminals. It also needs to be dealt with by the authorities in the WTBTS who know this is going on in their midst and in a big way, but it will not. It will continue to be whitewashed by the Governing Body along with thier wall up until the time that that wall crumbles to the ground. When it does, there will be members high up in Bethel, perhaps even members of the current Governing Body who will be moved to shame and repentance and they will spill thier proverbial guts just like Judas the traitor did, and all the dirt on the WTBTS will come out.

And what have they done for the poor victims of these horrendous crimes? They have forced them to suffer in silence. They cannot come to the congregation unless they have an eyewitness to the crime/sin, can you even imagine that? Even after they are awarded large sums of cash they are gagged from talking about this in public. Talking about it is the best catharthis they can have. When they do this, they realize they are not at fault. But no, we will not have any of that in the Watchtower. The criminal child molestars rely on this fact and the congregation is thier virtual playground that they can exploit with almost complete impunity. The children grow up with a warped sense of self and of normal sexual experience and many will never be the same. I see the broken souls of this crime on a daily basis. Many of the people I work with on my job have serious mental illness and some or all of it can be traced back to early childhood abuse, both physical and sexual. No doubt thier abusers have not lived with the same guilt and shame. Many of these children become the throw aways of society, somebody else's problem, many will live the lives of prostitutes and drug addicts, until one day they realize that they are not the sinner or criminal but the victim. For many that day never comes, at least not in this system.

If these allegations are true about the Pope, he is as guilty as the child molestors who committed the crimes in the first place and in many ways he is much worse, as he represents himself as the direct representative of the Christ on earth. The administration of the Watchtower is in a similar position as they have not dealt with this issue in a Godly way at all. If you think they have, you are dead wrong.

I have made it very clear over the years Anthony where I stand in regards to the societies stand on their relationship with the U.N. and thier stand on how to handle child molestors and the molested in the congregations. I am not hiding behind any false pretenses in an act of cunning trying to victimize the unaware. They have sinned against the Christ, thier Lord and husbandly owner (those at least who were a part of his bride, but are no longer due to unrepentant sin that is) and Jesus was patient with them and gave them ample time to repent (from January 1992 to October 2001, almost 10 years) but instead of humbling themselves and admitting thier error, they came up with that horrendously silly excuse about just wanting to get a library card, please? Revelation 2:20-23

They have abused thier authority in the congregations and have added to the horror and shame of the victims of child abuse by trying thier hardest just to keep it all one big secret. For that matter, if they really loved even the perpetrators of these crimes they would have seen to it that they convinced as many as they could to turn themselves into the authorities for punishment, and the ones that would not voluntarily submit to justice they should have turned in immediately. At least then these evil men (mostly) would be forced to confront their own demons and perhaps some might repent in a Godly way and been forgiven (after being punished for thier crimes). My heart goes out to any brother or sister in the congregations that was falsely accused of this horrible crime, but I am sure that is the exception to the rule at best and should not be the foundation for the entire policy as Mr. Morris alluded to in his talk. What about the thousands, yes that's thousands that were molested and never saw justice? Is that what love is? The foundation stone of true Christianity is to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation and to keep one without spot from the world. James 1:27 Even the world knows this is a detestable crime that should be punished with severity.

I don't know if Anthony Morris actually knows about the extent of the problem in the Watchtower. Even though he is a Governing Body member, he is rather new and I don't know what committees he is on and whether or not he would even be privy to all the dirty details, but like the Pope, the members of the organization that do know the full scope of this problem and are content to cover-up and hope nobody notices, they are just as guilty as the molestors themselves, but I will not be thier judge, that I will leave to God. He will carry out real justice for these victims, and he will heal thier souls into eternity.

Does that sound like the son of the Devil?

uglyandthin

[Anthony]

Hi Anthony:



uglyandthin


Is this you speaking on this tape or is it another Anthony? Frank, we have the same name but I am not him. Have you looked into the eyes of a child that you are sure has been molested and known there was little or nothing that you could do for her because your hands and feet were tied by "the brothers"? That’s the biggest problem with this whole matter after the fact that the disgusting pig that actually committed the crime, is that parents actually allow the WTS and the elders to tie their hands instead of going to the police and handling the matter the same way they would if it happen in their school or neighborhood, etc. Parents are to blame for not taking the steps that it is said that the WTS should take. And why do parents let their children alone with ones when they know this happens. Have you given up your entire life It depends on what one considers their life? If you are still alive then you still have a life. and family and friends (including a wife that you love with your heart, soul, mind and spirit who now looks at you in disgust) because you could no longer live this lie? Isn’t that what we are suppose to do?(Matthew 10:37)I have! I know what their stance is and I know it in detail and neither you Hey, don’t shoot the messenger. I just posted the talk. nor Anthony Morris or any other Governing Body member could convince me any different. And what have they done for the poor victims of these horrendous crimes? What do the parents do for the victims? They have forced them to suffer in silence. No one forces anyone unless they allow it. They cannot come to the congregation unless they have an eyewitness to the crime/sin, can you even imagine that? Good…you shouldn’t go to the congregation anyway…go to the police. If a child was a victim from someone off the street, would the parents say “ Let’s call the brothers and let them call the police”? Even after they are awarded large sums of cash they are gagged from talking about this in public. They know that will be the case when they settle and take the money. So if it means more to speak out about it then don’t settle, but if you want that cash payout then to bad. The criminal child molesters rely on this fact and the congregation is their virtual playground that they can exploit with almost complete impunity. Better parenting is needed. The administration of the Watchtower is in a similar position as they have not dealt with this issue in a Godly way at all. If you think they have, you are dead wrong. I don’t think that the WTS deals with the problem to the fulless that they could or should, but I also don’t rely on others to do what is right. Parents need to take the right steps and so do the victims that are of age. What about the thousands, yes that's thousands that were molested and never saw justice? It’s the child molesters that are to blame, that’s a given, but as for not seeing justice, I think people should stop trying to pass the buck.

[shikinah]

Thank you uglyandthin, for that detailed account of what has and is going on within the WT.
My family too experienced the wrong advice from Elders when confonted them on a similar situation, one particular elder was more concerened as to wether we had told social service, when I explained that they hadnt been alerted, he said "keep it that way"
So yes they will do anything to keep the these matters from becoming known to both authorities and the congregation. Jesus loved the children, and constantly reminded us that we should become like children, they are worse than the vatican, because these pevert priest are forbidden to marry, most of the abusers I have read about within the org, have been married men. And how can a child defend themselves when two witnesses are required?, it all just seems to protect the abuser rather than the child.

Thanks again
Shikinah

[uglyandthin]

Thank you uglyandthin, for that detailed account of what has and is going on within the WT.
My family too experienced the wrong advice from Elders when confonted them on a similar situation, one particular elder was more concerened as to wether we had told social service, when I explained that they hadnt been alerted, he said "keep it that way"
So yes they will do anything to keep the these matters from becoming known to both authorities and the congregation. Jesus loved the children, and constantly reminded us that we should become like children, they are worse than the vatican, because these pevert priest are forbidden to marry, most of the abusers I have read about within the org, have been married men. And how can a child defend themselves when two witnesses are required?, it all just seems to protect the abuser rather than the child.

Thanks again
Shikinah

Hi Shikinah:

I completely understand the logical reason why the organization has dealt with this delicate situation the way that it has. This is such a revolting crime, that scars the victims for life and it is at it's base level the greatest embarassment that a family or a congregation could experience (with the exception of the current policy). The act stains everyone whom gets even remotely involved. It is human nature to cover over error and this "error" is certainly worth a cover-up if anything is.

But we are suppossed to be children of God, and constructive children of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ. We are not to act as most do, or normally would. We must be adults who are willing to do anything to uphold the integrity of God and his Son as well as ourselves. The present and past administrative policy on child molestation is nothing but a coverup of the truth which benefits no one involved. It certainly does not benefit the children. It doesn't even benefit the perpetrators, as they are seldom really confronted for thier sin and/or crime which only feeds thier imperfection and evil predisposition and seldom forces them to confront this evil part of themselves in a way that they can start to be healed as well. Lastly, it stains the reputation not of God (which cannot be stained in reality but which is the excuse given for the coverup in the first place) but of all those involved in such a coverup of the facts and the refusal to address the situation in the proper way.

I am embarassed and ashamed of the fact that when I was an Elder and involved in these situations I acted just like the society would have wanted me to like a good little Elder, as at the time I thought like others that I was doing what was right. But I never really felt comfortable with that stance and finally I grew a backbone and some testicles and was ready to stand up for those that needed standing up for, our kids and women. When I did this though, I was not hailed as a strong person who finally had the courage to stand up for what was right, but I was labeled a trouble maker and a malcontent. When I moved from one congregation to another I was not re-apponted as an elder. The only reason that the former body had for making this decision was that I made it clear in the body of Elders that I would no longer go along with this policy and that I would notify parents of little ones about the dangers of having a pedophile (one who was either convicted by the committee or the law, not just those suspected) in the congregation which directly violates the policy of the society and it's letters to the bodies of Elders worldwide. Believe it or not it was a tough decision because I knew what the consequences would be and these consequences initially scared the hell out of me. But I knew that someone had to take a stand, and even if my stand would have little or no effect on the overall policy (which I knew it would not) I had to do it. If more Elders would grow a backbone and the testosterone necessary to confront this situation head on, maybe the policy could change to the glory of our great God Jehovah and his perfect Son Jesus Christ. Anything short of a total change in this policy is a massive stain on us, not on God. We cannot stain God or Christ's reputations, which stand on thier own merit and righteousness. We can only bring disrepute on ourselves which up to now we have done. This must change and I pray with all my heart that it will happen sooner than later. I know though in my heart of hearts that it will take the destruction of the Watchtower for this to happen, which is exactly what will happen in my opinion.

It is certainly not the only reason for the coming destruction of the Watchtower and the Catholic Church for that matter, but it is a big piece of the evidence that will be held against her when her trial by God and Christ is complete. I am not happy that I have had to give up all that is dear to me to take this stand, but I am proud in a Godly way that I have "at last" done what should have been done a long time ago. I emplore all to stop giving this policy your support and it will die the death that it deserves.

uglyandthin

[uglyandthin]

You can play this using the little player in the box. I am sure through out the whole talk, there are many things to comment on, but as it relates to this thread, listen closely starting at min 27:00 to 28:00.

http://www.archive.org/details/BewareOfTheBirdCatcher

Hi Anthony:

Sorry that I assumed that because you had posted this info that you were in agreement with it. Please accept my sincere apology. It is very difficult for people who are engulfed in a corrupt system but which they are indoctrinated to believe is from God to do what is right. This is not an excuse for them or their behavior but just a statement of fact. But you are correct and eventually everyone will need to "man and woman up" and directly oppose this crime of a policy. Again, sorry for my wrong assumption.

Frank

[arimatthewdavies]

ladies and gentleman this is were the fall of babalon the great takes shape, the drunken women [a wicked fornicateing one rideing on the back of a beast] takes a whole new meaning, if you think about a certain church a certain man and how he carries his whore his church on his back .when it is soon brought to light that this man and his hoe have been knowingly permiting child molestation because people with money are paying their penance [bribe] then a big ball of stinky poop is gona hit the fan! and woe woe woe to jehovahs wittnesses who are next! for useing the oh we mustnt speak of this because it will bring reproach on jehovah.... tactic on the children victums! ps some needs to add a baseball bat to the smiley face icons

[shikinah]

uglyandthin I commend you on making a stand for whats right, anyone who thinks otherwise has a screw loose or no spirit from Jehovah. Like the catholics you can deny it, sweep it under the carpet, have out of court settlements but in the end you will be exposed. Jehovahs Witnesses should expect the same fate, as this crime within the org seems to not be treated as a serious crime, its the type of crime which is delusional and lets hope it go's away, an annoyance against the child for coming forward for help.
Iv'e heard far too many accounts, even where brothers have known and still allowed the criminal to preach from the platform and not encourage him to go to the police. If I was a paedophile i'd find the kingdom hall the perfect envoirenment for my sick lust, because I'd know my punnishment if I was caught would be a walk in the park, nobody would even get to know my crime, just say im sorry and go back to do it again, what a joke.

Ari you make me laugh "this man and his hoe" you make them sound like a right pimp, but I guess its the truth.


Shikinah

[shikinah]

THE VATICAN HER CUP RUNNITH OVER....

Jehovah Witness news has an article on the Vatican paedophile scandle, the comments from witnesses are so biased, they fail to see whats going on under their own noses, either their blind or ignorant to these goings on i just dont get it:confused:
http://jehovahs-witness-news.blogspot.com/2010/04/vatican-her-cup-runnith-over.html

Youtube comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apFIW1bHMKI&feature=player_embedded



Shikinah

[uglyandthin]

THE VATICAN HER CUP RUNNITH OVER....

Jehovah Witness news has an article on the Vatican paedophile scandle, the comments from witnesses are so biased, they fail to see whats going on under their own noses, either their blind or ignorant to these goings on i just dont get it:confused:
http://jehovahs-witness-news.blogspot.com/2010/04/vatican-her-cup-runnith-over.html

Youtube comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apFIW1bHMKI&feature=player_embedded



Shikinah

Hi All:

For anyone interested, check out this video interview of Sinead O'Connor. She could just as easily be speaking about the offspring of the Mother of the Harlots rather than the Catholic Church itself. The Watchtower unfortunately has become what for so long it has hated, the offspring of the Great Harlot of the Catholic Church, at least from this stance...

Whether you like her music, or her political leanings, she hit's the nail squarely on the head of this issue. The Pope and all who are at the epicenter of this horrible crime should step down, and many should be prosecuted. The same thing holds for the management of the Watchtower who are or were responsible for the Societies stand on this issue. They are as guilty or more guilty than the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church lost whatever Holy Spirit they had back in the first Century. The Watchtower has lost God's Holy Spirit much more recently.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/36748468#36748468

uglyandthin

[shikinah]

Hi All:

For anyone interested, check out this video interview of Sinead O'Connor. She could just as easily be speaking about the offspring of the Mother of the Harlots rather than the Catholic Church itself. The Watchtower unfortunately has become what for so long it has hated, the offspring of the Great Harlot of the Catholic Church, at least from this stance...

Whether you like her music, or her political leanings, she hit's the nail squarely on the head of this issue. The Pope and all who are at the epicenter of this horrible crime should step down, and many should be prosecuted. The same thing holds for the management of the Watchtower who are or were responsible for the Societies stand on this issue. They are as guilty or more guilty than the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church lost whatever Holy Spirit they had back in the first Century. The Watchtower has lost God's Holy Spirit much more recently.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/36748468#36748468

uglyandthin

Its good to see someone with some backbone stand up on behalf of the abused and to the catholic church, sounds like this is not going to die down anytime soon. But as i've said before the club of Rome and those in position within the states, probably have their own agenda:rolleyes: