Armageddon

[Gabriel]

Ok...one question. How close do you guys think we are. (years, months, secounds??)

You cant say that its not good to speculate and ofcourse we will never know that day or hour. But most of the conversations here are speculation. What do you guys think?

[Reader]

Hello Gabriel, and welcome, since I have not said that to you before.

Here is what I think, and I could be very, very wrong. 2 Tim 3 describes the types of things that we would see IN THE CONGREGATION during 'the last days.' We are beginning to see more and more of that attitude within our ranks. We are also seeing the rise men of power within the org.

But there are many things we have yet to see. We have not seen the fall of the men of power, so Jehovah has not judged his own people. Since they have not been judged, we also have yet to see their repentance. We have not seen the great tribulation. We have not seen the fall of Babylon the Great. We have not seen the rise of the two witnesses.

Some of these things will take a lot of time (ie: the great tribulation). So we are years from seeing the actual end of the system. It is impossible for Armageddon to come tomorrow. It is impossible for it to come this year. But it is very possible for the end times to begin at any moment.

All that being said. It is irrelevant. Truly. Live your life as you would as if you were going to die an old man. Praise Jehovah every day. Do your best to love your neighbour, your God, and your brothers and sisters. Follow Christ's footsteps to the best of your ability.

Serving Jehovah is not date reliant, as you are well aware. If it comes soon, we are both privileged and cursed. Privileged to see the Great God of the Universe flex his muscle and fix what ails the earth. Cursed because we will be caught, pawns in a universal war between Satan and Christ. Privileged because we will see the end of tyranny on the earth for a long time. Cursed because we will be under the worst tyranny that the earth has ever seen.

Nevertheless, keep living each day to its fullest. Do what you must to keep Jehovah first in your mind, and heart. Dates notwithstanding.

Regards

Reader

[eyes&ears]

You go first Gabriel,

What do you think and why hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :ban_dance02: :185:

:wave:

E & E

[Gabriel]

You go first Gabriel,

What do you think and why hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :ban_dance02: :185:

:wave:

E & E[/b]

LOL...Eyes&Ears ur such a Trouble maker!

Ok here it go. I think that Armegedon can come within the next 3-5years The Reason why is because of not only the things that are happening but also the speed in which they're happening. Now I think Reader has a perspective that we should live like each day is our last. Now bottom line is we either love Jehovah or we dont. No middle line. But My concern is that there are going to be many who are going to be caught unawares....while others are still trying to prepare. My opinion is there is nothing we can do. Everlasting life is a gift from Jehovah, We cant earn it. Just hope that We all make it.

[Reader]

Actually, Gabriel, rather than living each day as it was our last, I think we should live each day as it's our FIRST day.

That early zeal, enthusiasm, and joyousness in service to our creator that we have should last our entire life.

Easier said than done.

Reader

[Jeshurun]

My gut feeling is that the GT starts anywhere between now and the fall of 2010.

The talk around Illuminati town is that the ten-king system is 5 to 8 years away. Of course another 911 event could expedite that.

So my thinking about the little horn in Daniel that grew up to be the big bad horn and knocks down 3 kings before it, is that this could be a future event where the 8th king devastates 3 very populous unions, like China, India and maybe South America or Central Africa. These are places that these sinister animals want to depopulate, too many "useless eaters" using up the earth's resources that they consider as belonging to them.

I'm still sticking with a seven-year endtime, bringing in the real New Order by 2017. Better to err on the longer side and then if it turns out to be 42 months, then I won't have to endure as long as I thought.

But hey, I'm not setting any dates!

Lou

[Gabriel]

I've always wonderd what Ill be doing at that time (im crazy I know)

I mean will I be watching the news and all of a sudden the emergency broadcast channel pops up and some spokes person say that we have an important announcement from the white house or will there be an devestating explosion on US soil that starts the whole thing. What did you guys think and where where you when 911 happend. I know many in my cong was expecting a letter from the WT stating the GT just started. Strange thing is.....the WTBTS remaind quite fro a long time. Why?

[Jeshurun]

I've always wonderd what Ill be doing at that time (im crazy I know)

I mean will I be watching the news and all of a sudden the emergency broadcast channel pops up and some spokes person say that we have an important announcement from the white house or will there be an devestating explosion on US soil that starts the whole thing. What did you guys think and where where you when 911 happend. I know many in my cong was expecting a letter from the WT stating the GT just started. Strange thing is.....the WTBTS remaind quite fro a long time. Why?[/b]

Because the Watchtower Society is in prophetic darkness, and they really have no clue as to what's going on. I was hoping that at some point (before I found e-Watchman) they would update the King of the North to at least terrorists or Bin Laden or something, but they're still stuck on the Soviet Union. That in itself makes me wonder how more JW's aren't questioning why the heck they don't know, if they're supposed to be God's visible organization. How insane it all is!

On 911 I was at work in my shop, but I had just gotten married 2 days before, on Sunday morning. So our marriage didn't get off to the greatest start.

Agape
Lou

[Kenneth]

JWs are no further down the road in understanding prophecy than they were in the day's of CT Russell. The Watchtower came out with a whole load of dates for Armageddon back there and are reaping mockery to this day for it. It may have been over zealousness on there part but individuals have to pick up pieces in their door to door ministry when 1975 is raised.

However, each decade has got worse in terms of morality, even in the 1960s and 1970s it was a lot easier to differentiate between right and wrong. Today good is bad, bad is good, do your own thing as long as it feels right. It seems that we have got to a point when the system is ripe for picking and can go no further.

I have come to the conclusion that the being of the end happened on 9/11 and as Time magazines suggested on its front cover it was the day the world changed. As the USA has done recently in Iraq created a 'clash of civilisations' in all probability will do the same in Iran claiming to be fighting for the 'free world'. And the more neo-colonialist meddle in foreign policy the greater the 'clash of civilisations' will prove to be.

Yes the system is at breaking point and can't sustain its self much longer. If Iran is attacked and in all probability it will be (the propaganda machine is at work this very moment) it will set off a domino effect around the world in terms of nation rising against nation. As for the length of the tribulation it's hard to predict. Either it's going to be 42 months or seven years. The book of Revelation says 42 months but I still haven't figured out what the seven times represent in Daniel.

[eyes&ears]

<div class='quotemain'>You go first Gabriel,

What do you think and why hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :ban_dance02: :185:

:wave:

E & E[/b]

LOL...Eyes&Ears ur such a Trouble maker!

Ok here it go. I think that Armegedon can come within the next 3-5years The Reason why is because of not only the things that are happening but also the speed in which they&#39;re happening. Now I think Reader has a perspective that we should live like each day is our last. Now bottom line is we either love Jehovah or we dont. No middle line. But My concern is that there are going to be many who are going to be caught unawares....while others are still trying to prepare. My opinion is there is nothing we can do. Everlasting life is a gift from Jehovah, We cant earn it. Just hope that We all make it.
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Me trouble :186: WOW I have not heard that statement since my school days. Yeah I was like that (laughing like crazy)

Gabriel, None of us knows timing, but we all are aware that things are certainly happening. We would have to be totally blind not to see what is in the workings now. I also have thoughts more so now than ever of....... well it&#39;s really coming to THAT IS IT better live one day at a time here E & E. I tell myself , don&#39;t panic and do not grow overly anxious. AND NOPE IT AIN&#39;T EASY.

All we can do is STAY ON THE WATCH, HOLD ON TIGHT TO JEHOVAH, DO WHAT JEHOVAH TELLS US TO DO AND BE READY REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND US, RIGHT. :D

Thanks Gabriel.

Sisterly Love

E & E

[eyes&ears]

Jesh said:

"Because the Watchtower Society is in prophetic darkness, and they really have no clue as to what&#39;s going on.

It is sad, but I happen to agree with this statement for now. It seems that the spiritual storehouses have closed down. I feel as though as far as the org is concerned I am in a serious spiritual drought, FAMINE is (imo) quite prevalent throughout.

I am doing what Jehovah wants me to do so I DO NOT STARVE TO DEATH, I HAVE LEARNED AFTER MUCH PAIN TO LOOK TO JEHOVAH FOR MY FEEDING AND RELY ON HIS HOLY SPIRT FOR UNDERSTANDING.

911 I was at work. I worked for the State Government. Most of the ladies on my job had those little tv&#39;s on their desk because they watched those DEPRESSING SOAP OPERAS IN THE AFTERNOON. All of a sudden I hear screaming and noises so I run up to the front of the office. What I saw was hoffific, and I still cannot get those images of those people plunging out of those windows from my mind.

It took forever for the government officials to decide to dismiss us from work. It was utter chaos on the streets. Cars all over the place, buses, trolleys, people, it was awful.

On the bus, very few people had cell phones, one lady was passing her cell phone around so we could make contact with our families and the lines were all congested.

WEll the next day for sure I invested in the cell phone I kept saying I was gonna get but never did. I am so glad I did not drive to work that day. Somthing told me to take the bus. I am so glad I did.

I also invested in a little tv for my desk after that. We were allowed to have small t.v.&#39;s as long as we were not bold about it. WE were also allowed to listen to music on our computers with headphones, etc.

Hey I worked for the government it was as bad as working for the post office and they allowed us to do certain things so we would not freak out as some had done. COULD I TELL YOU SOME STORIES PHEW!!! Especially about those who came to work drunk or those who would go to the local bar on their lunch hour or 15 minute breaks.

OVER AND OUT, YOUR RAMBLING SISTER

E & E

[eyes&ears]

I&#39;d like to just add a few things regarding GT & Arm. I sometimes think about the horrific times we will be going thorugh during this time.

I have at times thought about those of us who are ill or are suffering from certain conditions. For instance I have a heart condition so I have to take medication or else. Some folks have diabetes, epilepsy, hypertension, all sorts of things going on.

Scripturs say MT 24: 21 For then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world&#39;s beginning until now, no nor will occur again.

22) In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

At times thoughts of starving animals have crossed my mind, as well as starving crazy people, No money, no food, unless you have the Mark, no medications. No order, total disorder, chaos.

I think of those who have children of what could be done to make you lose it for a piece of bread for your family when you see your family hungry or yourselves.

I don&#39;t just sit and think of these things I am not a nut. But at times these things do cross my mind.

So, yes I want the new system to come and quickly, but I also want to use this time as much as possible to build up my faith, strength and relationship to Jehovah.

It frightens me because I am human, and I pray that I AM ABLE TO HOLD ON. THIS IS WHY I SAY THAT ALL THE TIME. I AM TALKING TO MYSELF AS WELL.

None of us have been tested like that. We have NO IDEA WHAT WE MAY DO, WHEN WE CANNOT GET FOOD, MEDICATIONS, OR WE SEE OUR LOVED ONES BEING PERSECUTED. ETC..................

Sure we have read about it, sure we can hope/pray that we will hold on.

So my prayer is no matter what goes down, WE DON&#39;T GO DOWN. THAT WE HOLD ON TIGHT AND REMEMBER ALL THE SCRIPTURES AND EVERYTHING JEHOVAH HAS TAUGHT US.

IF JEHOVAH SAYS IT WILL BE THE WORSE WE HAVE EVER SEEN, THEN THAT IS WHAT HE MEANS. AND THE OTHER THING ALSO IS MANY WILL BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.

MAY THAT NEVER HAPPEN TO US.

I very seldom talk like this, hope it was not too negative, but these things do cross my little pea brain from time to time.


Love to you all

E & E

[Jeshurun]

As for the length of the tribulation it&#39;s hard to predict. Either it&#39;s going to be 42 months or seven years. The book of Revelation says 42 months but I still haven&#39;t figured out what the seven times represent in Daniel.[/b]

I&#39;ve been continuing to research this and I think I was wrong about the 7 times of Daniel having an application today, because the meaning of that lesson to Nebuchadnezzar was about "right to rule", and the vision was being applied to an earthly king, not Jehovah&#39;s Kingdom.

As far as the other prophecy that I was beating my head on, at Daniel 9:26,27, it might be a one-time prophecy as the scripture says "to seal up vision and prophecy." But on the other hand my research into the Hebrew says that the correct interpretation should state "will be poured out upon the desolator" rather than "upon the one lying desolate", which makes no sense to me. Since no desolation came upon the Roman Empire in the first century, I&#39;m having trouble understanding how the prophecy could not have another fulfillment.

I also still can&#39;t see how the woman can spend 3 1/2 years in the wilderness under protection and then have time to be attacked once again by Satan.

[Shibboleth]

I have always thought that 9/11 was a very pinacle point for not only the U.S. but the entire world. It was almost like the &#39;waters around Babylon dried up&#39; and we were attacked on our soil for the first time. If I was a betting man, I would go 7 years from 9/11 which would put us into 2008. 2008 may be in fact the start of the GT, this is just me speculating. But if George Bush is as arrogant as I think he is, something bad will happen during the election period here in the states. If we are in a state of national crisis, Bush stays in power despite what happens in the elections. We know from the bible that no man is going to be able to take down the 7th or 8th king. These are destroyed by Jehovah.

Something big will happen next year. That is my speculation. 7 years past 2008 would put us in 2015. It is reasonable to think that the war of Armegeddon will have taken place near that time. We may not know the day or hour, but by prophecy we can pinpoint a timeframe. Like when Jesus was born, they did not know the day or hour, but many people recognized it was going to happen in a timeframe of years. Which is why Herod had newborn up to 2 year old males killed. he knew a timeframe from the prophecies. We have the luxury of knowing the prophecies and having some sort of understanding about them. We know what the beasts mean etc.

If only we knew what the 7 thunders told John.

[Candace]

It seems logical that something major is going to happen before Bush is out of office. He does not want to give up the presidency, imo. Nambo posted an article where the director of the FBI is quoted as saying we should expect another 9/11 soon. Reading that article makes me feel like we are being conditioned for the next strike. While the powers that be are going to try and blame it on Osama and Al Quaeda, I have no doubt that they will not be the instigators.

So, I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if the GT started sometime next year. And if it doesn&#39;t happen then, I wouldn&#39;t be surprised either, lol! This guessing game is just that. We don&#39;t know how much further Jehovah wants certain things to develop. But we do know we are going on his timetable, not any man&#39;s.

[Gabriel]

I sometimes wonder about those of us who still may have unbeleaving mates. When this nightmare is unleashed upon humanity how will they cope. will your mate stand by you as you desperately explain whats going on or will they try and force everyone inthe family to get "The Mark" so that none starve to death?? is this what Jesus meant when he said that ".....a mans worse enemy will be those of his own household?" This will be "a breaking away" on many different fronts and levels. Either a breaking away from Jehovah or a breaking away from the world......a breaking away from ones own family. Great divisions will take place during this time within the family circle. Another scripture comes to mind regarding this....cant remember the exact scripture but it says something about "one will be taken and the other left behind" Perhaps this refering to that time when some of those in our own family will compromise and accept the mark where as others will maintain loyalty. God...please have mercy on us all.

Also I have to force myself to remember that the G.T isnt Jehovahs doing as far as im concerned. all this is the result of satan being ejected from the heavens, and thus going on his merdurous rampage on all those who love whats right and who love God. All of this is what causes Jehovah to act.

[Cephalon]

I was hoping that at some point (before I found e-Watchman) they would update the King of the North to at least terrorists or Bin Laden or something, but they&#39;re still stuck on the Soviet Union.[/b]

Actually the WT says they don&#39;t know who the KOTN is right now and they say not to speculate, but I will speculate Armargedon to come in 2014 +/_ 3 years.
:huh: :o :huh.sml:

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

We were told to keep awake, nothing more. How many times have brothers and sisters speculated about world events and been disappointed. Indeed many discussions on this board have centered on the misguided indicators of the WTS.
There are signs that we may be headed to something significant soon. But then again I remember many being convinced that the US/Soviet talks in the Reagan era would lead to a pronouncement of "Peace and Security", and here we are still.
I suggest we should expect things to always take a little longer than we might hope - that is based on the reality we have already witnessed.

EF

[James]

On 911 I was at work in my shop, but I had just gotten married 2 days before, on Sunday morning. So our marriage didn&#39;t get off to the greatest start.

Agape
Lou[/b]

WOW! Short honeymoon :winko:

Brotherly razzing,

James

[Jeshurun]

WOW! Short honeymoon :winko:

Brotherly razzing,

James[/b]

Yeah, second time around you know. Kids involved. School year starting. Kind of spontaneous, in a retired judge&#39;s backyard.

I tried the 250-guest bash in a glitzy wedding factory followed by 2 weeks in Hawaii the first time (two days after it was cancelled by Hurricane Gloria) and look where that got me.

I know for a fact that Jehovah gave me those 2 extra days to think about it and I still foolishly ignored him.

Agape brother
Lou

[Dorcas]

You guys are great!! I love it when you go back and forth on stuff. Just please post the starting date when you get it figured out. I&#39;m getting old and tired!!
Love to all, Dorcas :unsure:

[Jeshurun]

I have always thought that 9/11 was a very pinacle point for not only the U.S. but the entire world. It was almost like the &#39;waters around Babylon dried up&#39; and we were attacked on our soil for the first time.[/b]

This is true Shibb, but this might come as a shock to you: While I believe that 9/11 was a major turning point only because we are rapidly approaching the realization of the NWO, it&#39;s not much different from Pearl Harbor in my opinion. Millions ended up dying because of that little act of deception. Only Jehovah knows how many millions will end up dying down the road from 9/11, but so far, it&#39;s a catastrophic failure for them in that it did not achieve the desired result. A big part of that was flight 93&#39;s failure to reach it&#39;s destination. The attack&#39;s purpose was to justify oil wars and turn America into a police state. Well, the wars worked up until a time, and now that everyone can see that there is no connection between Iraq and 9/11, this necessitates another "terrorist attack" not only to keep the war machine going, but to bring in the dictatorship that will lead America into it&#39;s own death-stroke and revival as the "beast".

[stayawake]

Hi
I&#39;m with Dorcas,
this is the first I looked into this Thread, and really loved every ones thoughts posted.
I remember how excited the WT was over the 9-11
Bro (sounds like ) Aliceno was ready to go on an a trip for the WT and his trip was canceled, and a public talk was immeditely written because of 9-11 to give to several congergation in NC in a park.
Every one was told to bring chairs and blankets to sit on.

Proof that the WT is in complete darkness the Public talk started out as saying, that the Society feel now after the 9-11, that they may have been watching the wrong class, instead of christendon, it may be the Islams that they should focus on. (words to that effect) I have the tape some where.

While were on the subject I was talking with a sister on the phone the other day.we make calls about four calls a year.
She lives miles away from me, havent seen her 20 years years.
Shes also very loyal to the society

Well any way I asked her, what she thought the real reason was about the WT study not being opened to the puplic ,starting 2008.
(That of course is only known supposingly to those who are still going to the meetings )
Her reply was "well you know the GB does not want every one to know where were going when its time for Jehovah to protect us "

For some strange reason my mind went back to Jim Jones.

[Gabriel]

Well any way I asked her, what she thought the real reason was about the WT study not being opened to the puplic ,starting 2008.
(That of course is only known supposingly to those who are still going to the meetings )
Her reply was "well you know the GB does not want every one to know where were going when its time for Jehovah to protect us "

For some strange reason my mind went back to Jim Jones.[/b]

Doesnt she not know that Jehovah has the ability to protect his people either way. I guess this goes back to the same mentality that the WTBTS has had ever sence I can remember...the ol&#39; Nothing bad will happen to us.....we&#39;re in the clear attitude. Guess Watchman is right. Most of us do think we&#39;re gonna watch the G.T from the comfy seats of our lazzy boy on H.D tv. Stay im with you....that bring chills up my spine too. I guess the thing is, we should really be looking for things to go down hill from here when it comes to the society. Things have been progressivly getting worse ever sence the WT slept with the beast for a Library card. it appears that all the new light that Jehovah was giving us came to a trickle at that point. In fact im not looking for things to get betterfor the Wt until after Jehovah scatters...then re-gather his sheep.

[Viking]

Here is what Isaiah spoke/wrote over 2700 years ago in the bible at Isaiah chapter 30 verses 25 and 26:

25 And upon every high mountain and upon every elevated hill there must come to be streams, water ditches, in the day of the big slaughter when the towers fall.
26 And the light of the full moon must become as the light of the glowing [sun]; and the very light of the glowing [sun] will be [for] 7 times, like the light of 7 days, in the day that Jehovah binds up the breakdown of his people and heals even the severe wound resulting from the stroke by him.

are that now the 7 years ( times) befor the end?

[stayawake]

IMHO
Seems to me the scattering of the sheep has already started, from what I get from watchmans essays, is we now are watching for the death stroke.( THe whole economy will collaspe. )
I think thats when Satan is ousted and the horses start riding.


It&#39;s the healing of that Death stroke that gathers us all together with BTG in that Big Melting Pot. NWO
It will be while in that Babyalonish captivity that the call goes out
"Come out of her my People ".Rev 18 ;4
IMHO
thats the way I see it ,with the help of Watchmans readings from the scriptures
I only speak for myself
Love stayawake

[Shibboleth]

Here is what Isaiah spoke/wrote over 2700 years ago in the bible at Isaiah chapter 30 verses 25 and 26:

25 And upon every high mountain and upon every elevated hill there must come to be streams, water ditches, in the day of the big slaughter when the towers fall.
26 And the light of the full moon must become as the light of the glowing [sun]; and the very light of the glowing [sun] will be [for] 7 times, like the light of 7 days, in the day that Jehovah binds up the breakdown of his people and heals even the severe wound resulting from the stroke by him.

are that now the 7 years ( times) befor the end?[/b]

wow I remember reading that scripture before. Thanks for reposting it up for my memory.

hmm 7 years after 9/11 would bring us to 2008. Election time! Voting in a new government. We may be right at the threshold of some crazy things happening.

I think that 7 years is a different 7 years. I think that is the benchmark or starting point. We will then go into another 7 years where the two witnesses will begin their extensive preaching work. So maybe we were looking at the prophecies wrong. Just a speculation.

[Gabriel]

Question...."The Two Witnesses" Are they a "class" of annointed people...group? or is the scriptures literaly refering to Two indiduals???

[Shibboleth]

Question...."The Two Witnesses" Are they a "class" of annointed people...group? or is the scriptures literaly refering to Two indiduals???[/b]

Lot&#39;s of speculation on the two witnesses. I believe it to be a class. A group of annointed ones that spearhead the proclamations against a world gone mad. I don&#39;t think it is actually two individuals. More likely a group.

[Kenneth]

Ok...one question. How close do you guys think we are. (years, months, secounds??)

What do you guys think?[/b]

I have heard that Jehovah keeps postponing Armageddon because the society keep releasing the date. :icon_rolleyes:

[Candace]

<div class='quotemain'>Ok...one question. How close do you guys think we are. (years, months, secounds??)

What do you guys think?[/b]

I have heard that Jehovah keeps postponing Armageddon because the society keep releasing the date. :icon_rolleyes:
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