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[stayawake]

OK.here we go,
In behalf of Cricket and all you loved ones that enjoy searching
HERES A KEEPER

I will do my best with the clues,and key words. I searched every where. I should have saved it but didnt, but once we find it ,it should be a keeper.

Approx 2 years ago there was a law suit against the WTBTS .The out come was going to be a set law for all other law suits against the WTBTS.
I think the place was Vermont.

Sad to say the WT won.
Heres how it went, this was the WTBTS arguement.

NOT WORD FOR WORD
THe WTBTS was not responsible for any congergational problems. WHY?
because the elders in each cong were Volenteer spiritual leaders and were NOT a PAID CLERGY class , there for these cong elders were not on a payrole sponsered by the WTBTS, so they( WT ) were not responsible for any problems in the diff cong. The elders them self are responsible for any problems in their cong . UNQUOTE

IMHO
What we are going to see is cong problems being handled diff in each cong. I know of some that if a person is on medication now, that person needs a sponsor that will be responsible for any wrong actions in the cong.
Hey these elders dont want to be losing their houses

Another new step is I recently found out is. that the GB always sent a letter to notify the cong when a person was reinstated , not so any more, its up to the elders to get in touch with the CO or DO. Yep this is whats happening since that case in Vermont. The WTBTS have washed their hands clean and then has the guts to put out that Study article of how the faithful slave deserve due respect.

This case was in the news paper
happy hunting
Hope you find it,as it DOES exsist
love stayawake

[Kenneth]

NOT WORD FOR WORD
THe WTBTS was not responsible for any congergational problems. WHY?
because the elders in each cong were Volenteer spiritual leaders and were NOT a PAID CLERGY class , there for these cong elders were not on a payrole sponsered by the WTBTS, so they( WT ) were not responsible for any problems in the diff cong. The elders them self are responsible for any problems in their cong . UNQUOTE[/b]
I find this utterly amazing as elders do nothing without the society’s say-so. Elders attend schools and others seminars, all their directive come form the society, if there’s a problem they turn to the Pay attention book and follow its guideline. The congregation files are full of letters from the society in keeping the elders up to date. If child abuse is reported they are to contact the society immediately. And then they say that they are not responsible.

[stayawake]

Yes, I know Ken, YOU GO figure,
I can NOT see how they( WTBTS )got away with that decision.
Thats why I am hoping it can be brought up on the board.

They the WTBTS should not be directing anything, if their defence is that they (WTBTS ) are not responsible.

Something slipped thru the cracks at that court case.

love stayawake

[Candace]

This commentary has a link to a page on SilentLambs to a court case where fiduciary trust was discussed. Click here (http://e-watchman.com/commentaries/do-watchtower-elders-have-a-fiduciary-responsibility.html).

[Shibboleth]

I think it's time the elders got paid.

Seriously I wouldn't want the baggage of someone bringing me to court because I was following the Society's guidelines.

I wonder how the elders do all the stuff given to them and not receive any compensation. They do the bulk of the work at a congregation level but don't reap the rewards. CO's get cars and lodging paid for. Time for the elders to get some love. Maybe it will weed out some who are there for a power trip or it may make them more power hungry. Some elders I know are also regular pioneers and they have a hard time making ends meet. Time for the congregations to kick back to elders who serve for free.

Fair is fair.

[stayawake]

Candace that was a GREAT link, but that wasn't it.
The one I am after was no older then 2004

Hey I missed that one by watchman, so dear family be sure and read it.
Thanks Candace

Keep lookin
Don't stop now ,
Please.

[stayawake]

Shibb.
my dear sweet brother,you are just too generous. :)

[DoubtingThomas]

I understand the logic behind your reasoning Shib ... about compensating the elders monetarily, but having a paid clergy class goes against Christian principles and the example set by Christ that we receive free and should give free.

[Eli's Foe]

The GB well knows what it is doing and in leaving elders exposed to financial redress it again shows its true colours. At the very least it could arrange indemnity cover for its servants who follow its guidance and are then left exposed to the risks attendant with a position of oversight.
Even at the mundane level it relies on those foolhardy enough to leave themselves exposed. I'm not sure what the situation is in the US, but in Britain certain elders will act as trustees of the congregation and its incumbent assets. Not so long ago the Branch Office issued a warning about the potential risks of asbestos used in older Kingdom Halls. However, they left the responsibility to those trustees. If anyone had contracted asbestosis and had been able to prove a connection to their local Kingdom Hall, it would have been the local trustees who would have been accountable and liable for compensation.
At the same time, the local congregation where I live was stripped of its financial assets in the form of interest free loans. We cant have the Society losing out financially can we?

EF

[James]

Dear Stayawake,

I did some searching and this may be the story you are looking for . I remember reading this back then and it seems to fit with your clues. It was sad to re-read. Please let us know.
http://www.silentlambs.org/BerryArticle.htm

(hint)To open link hold down CTRL and left-click mouse or just paste in your web-browser.

your brother in Christ,
James

[stayawake]

Dear James ,no I'm sorry but that wasn't it. I had also read what happened to Heather & Holly, and yes it was very sad indeed.

I guess its cases like that one that the society thought it best to hand over all responsibilities for exsisting problems in the congergations for the elders to worry about.. That was quick thinking.

Like it was brought out IF THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for cong problems, then how in the world can they direct the elders in what is to be studied.

Why is it that the direction for all the meetings come from their printing pages of the WT & Awake and the KM ?
Why is it nessessary to follow their direction in every move the elders make. Why is it that the WT has complete control of what is said and done and believed in each cong.
There is something terriably wrong here.

I hope if any one in the know is reading this will take a interest in whats going on.

I am starting to believe THe WT had that News article distroyed ,as when one would stop to question things as Ken brought out, what answers could the WT give.?

I guess that article of the WT being free of what goes on in the cong, because the elders are not paid but voleteer their spiritual advice and services (ADVISE FROM THE WT )and therefore they the elders are responsble. I guess that artical is gone.
Talk about passing the buck.

It just isnt there, so I just give up on looking any further, but thank you all very much for your time and research.

love stayawake

[Cricket]

Hi Stayawake!

I'm a-searching!

I remember reading something about that very subject about that lawsuit. I wonder if there were other similar lawsuits outside Vermont?