PDA

View Full Version : Big Busniess



stayawake
05-16-2007, 09:21 PM
Look at what I found in my searchMay 12, 2007 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/sections/30/19/) / News (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/sections/neighborhoods/) / Brooklyn Heights–Downtown (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/sections/downtown/30/19/)
Selloff! But Witnesses say they will remain kings of Kings
By Christie RizkThe Brooklyn Paperhttp://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/images/zoom8.png Enlarge this image (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/30/19/30_19witnessesproperty1_z.jpg)http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/30/19/30_19witnessesproperty1_i.jpg (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/30/19/30_19witnessesproperty1_z.jpg)The Brooklyn Paper / Gregory P. MangoThis cottage on Columbia Heights, like its next-door neighbor, the Standish Arms, is about to be sold by the Jehovah's Witnesses. http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/30/19/30_19witnessesproperty2_i.jpgThe Brooklyn Paper / Gregory P. MangoThe Standish Arms on Columbia Heights is about to be sold by the Jehovah's Witnesses. It could go for $6 million, an expert said.
Related stories
Downtown: Courts are appealing to Jehovah’s Witnesses (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/18/30_18jehovahstennis.html)http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/images/print8.png Print this story (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/19/30_19jehovahsrealestate.html#)
Share this story
The Jehovah’s Witnesses may be selling a third of their Brooklyn Heights holdings, but the religious sect, a neighborhood fixture for almost a century, says it’s not going anywhere.

Talk of an exodus was sparked this week when the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society — the Witnesses’ publishing arm — announced it was selling six of its 18 Brooklyn Heights properties, including the 128-unit Standish Arms Hotel on Columbia Heights. The organization owns another 12 buildings in nearby DUMBO.

“We are selling these buildings because we’ve moved most of our printing and shipping to Wallkill in upstate New York,” said Watchtower spokesman Richard Devine. “But we are keeping a dozen other buildings that we own in Brooklyn Heights. Our worldwide headquarters is still here.”

The Watchtower society, which is headquartered at 25 Columbia Heights, began buying up real estate in Brooklyn Heights in the 1980s. They also own properties in DUMBO, principally on Front Street, Jay Street and Adams Street. The Witnesses also own two large parking lots in the neighborhood.

The Brooklyn Heights buildings are scattered throughout Columbia Heights, Clark Street, Willow Street and Remsen Street, and are all residential, mostly housing Witnesses who work in the society’s massive printing facilities.

“When we had our entire operation down here, we needed housing for all our workers,” said Devine.

The Witnesses have been a fixture in Brooklyn Heights since 1909, when their governing body of elders — the sect’s highest authority — set up facilities for the printing and distribution of their own translation of the Bible, plus the ubiquitous religious magazines, “Watchtower” and “Awake!”

As printing operations expanded, the Society kept buying real estate, in Brooklyn Heights and DUMBO, to house thousands of volunteers and missionaries.

The Witnesses started the slow move north in 2004, and have been selling off their marquis properties, including 360 Furman St., a former Bible shipping facility that was sold for $205 million and is now being developed into luxury condos, promoted as One Brooklyn Bridge Park.

Last year, the sect sold 67 Livingston St., a 76-unit tower known in the neighborhood as the Sliver Building for the way its thin 26 stories are wedged in between the wider buildings on the street. A private investor bought the building for $18.6 million.

A building at 89 Hicks St. was sold to Brooklyn Law School last year for $14 million, according to city records. The 42-unit building is a mix of studios and one-bedroom apartments.

Now comes the latest trophy properties to go on the block.

The Standish Arms — a 12-story building at 169 Columbia Heights — is being sold in a portfolio that includes a seven-story, 13-apartment building at 183 Columbia Heights and a four-story, 10-apartment building at 161 Columbia Heights.

Three other buildings — a two-story carriage house at 165 Columbia Heights, a four-story brownstone at 105 Willow St., and a four-story house at 34 Orange St. — are being sold separately, said Devine.

As with other property they have sold, the Watching is handling the sale internally, and will not set an asking price.

The inclusion of the Standish Arms on the list of properties up for grabs has prompted speculation from some, and sighs of longing from others, about the possible sale of the former Bossert Hotel on Montague Street, which the Watchtower society also owns.

But Devine says that after these six buildings are sold, there are no plans to sell any more properties.

Real-estate experts said the Witnesses were poised to make a lot of filthy lucre. The group paid just $830,000 for 105 Willow St. in 1988, city records show. But it will sell for at least six times that amount according to broker Jean Austin of Brooklyn Bridge Realty.

“The building could sell for $6 million — give or take,” said Austin.

The Standish Arms is the big-ticket item, added Brooklyn Bridge Realty owner Ellen Gottlieb. A developer could offer anywhere from $25–$35 million, she added.

All told, Austin and Gottlieb estimated, if the buildings are sold at their highest possible prices, the six could sell for $44–$62 million.

Neighborhood residents say the Witnesses have been good neighbors, though they’ve kept themselves apart from the community.

“If families start moving in, it’ll probably get a bit livelier around here,” said one man. “They didn’t really interact with everyone around them.”



©2007 The Brooklyn Paper

watchman
05-16-2007, 09:41 PM
I scooped you on that story http://jehovahs-witnesses-news.blogspot.com/ :icon_neutral:

Gabriel
05-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Humm. Something looks really wrong here. Why are they in in such a hurry to sell their property? Looks like theres something more going here than the obveous.

stayawake
05-16-2007, 10:20 PM
So sorry Bro King I must have missed it.
So thats where I found it :o

Well lets look at it this way,
a article like that deserves all the pubicity. it deserves

Was just wondering !
will taxes come into the picture !

Love stayawake

Candace
05-17-2007, 11:40 AM
I was wondering the same thing about taxes, since they have turned into such a profitable real estate corporation. :186:

eyes&ears
05-17-2007, 11:52 AM
WELL MY MY MY HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

stayawake
05-17-2007, 12:44 PM
Question :
Is the WTBTS really a Corp. ?
Doesn't a Corp HAVE to make investments ?
Can a Corperation and Religion, according to Law be one and the same ?

Just wondering !

Shibboleth
05-17-2007, 02:11 PM
I personally think Jehovah is 'pushing' them out of New York City. "Get out of her my people."

Something is about to go down in NYC. I personally don't think it's going to be good. NYC was a great place to get it started, but since most of the work takes place outside of the city there really is no need to keep a prescense there in the city. I think it would be way cheaper to get stuff shipped to and from Walkill or Patterson then it is to ship stuff directly from NYC.

Already warned once 6 years ago.

Nambo
05-17-2007, 09:30 PM
I personally think Jehovah is 'pushing' them out of New York City. "Get out of her my people."

Something is about to go down in NYC.[/b]

Yeah, like maybe a CIA? "it was Al Quida wot dun it", nucleur bomb.

Ive been reading the Zionist Globilist bankers centurys long plan for money, that it, to obtain all the gold, and issue worthless paper money instead with themselves controlling what it is worth.

Once they have us all indebted to them, like now, its time to collapse the entire econimic system resulting in total collapse of Governments and resulting anochy with themslves posed to step in to the power vacuum and establish thier One World Order.

So, what better target than New York for destroying the worlds finances?
"Get rid of those pesky Jehovahs Witnesses who are undoing our Dawinism and other anti-religious propogander as well"

Wonder what would happen to the society if such a thing happens in New York!

Jinnvisible
05-17-2007, 09:41 PM
I personally think Jehovah is 'pushing' them out of New York City. "Get out of her my people."

............................... I think it would be way cheaper to get stuff shipped to and from Walkill or Patterson then it is to ship stuff directly from NYC.

Already warned once 6 years ago.[/b]

Yes,

So is the report of interest due to the `unchristian profiteering` angle ? or am i missing something ?

Jinnvisible
05-17-2007, 09:52 PM
Question :
Is the WTBTS really a Corp. ?
Doesn't a Corp HAVE to make investments ?
Can a Corperation and Religion, according to Law be one and the same ?

Just wondering ![/b]

The WTBTS is now more of a conglomerate of Corperations. That means if each corperation is a peanut then the Society is a crunchy nut cluster.

I don`t think that a corperation has to `make investments` however it exisi to hold shared asset or holdings hense `share holdings`. I`m not sure but the WTBTS proberbly holds some kind of incorperated charity status legaly, holding assets directed by board yet not having an actual share value (guessing here).


The reasons for incorperating a business are usually the benefits of legal protection. A corperation has many of the same rights as a human being under the law. Hense a corperation can sue you for libel. Yet as i understand it there are tax exemptions in UK & USA for charities. So many large corperate type religions try to gain charity status for that reason.

There has been lots in the news about Scientology in London because they have opened up a new big center here. The UK government doesn`t recognise them as a legitimate religion. They have big conections with drug rehabillitation programs yet many are suspicious that these are part of a PR opperation (like if Coca Cola opened up a free dentistry chain).

The Scientologists had a huge celebration when they recieved tax exempt status in the US and announced it as if it had been brought down from mount Sinai written on two e-meters.

stayawake
05-18-2007, 12:55 AM
Dear Jinn
Thank you so much
your time and post is deeply appreciated.
love stayawake

Shibboleth
05-18-2007, 01:03 PM
<div class='quotemain'>I personally think Jehovah is &#39;pushing&#39; them out of New York City. "Get out of her my people."

............................... I think it would be way cheaper to get stuff shipped to and from Walkill or Patterson then it is to ship stuff directly from NYC.

Already warned once 6 years ago.[/b]

Yes,

So is the report of interest due to the `unchristian profiteering` angle ? or am i missing something ?
[/b][/quote]

I don&#39;t think it is profiteering. I truely think they are going to cut and run out of NYC. We do not know the full picture. I am certain there are issues that are really sensitive. We had a brother give a talk from Bethel last year. He talked about it, but he wanted to waylay people&#39;s fears. He said there was no real meaning behind the move. I was thinking to myself "Come on brother! There is always a meaning behind selling your assets. Especially in the biggest city that is the hub of all finances." You just don&#39;t sell stuff without having some sort of meaning to selling. In my mind it is Jehovah that is pushing it.

there is a reason why the WTBTS has a farm in Patterson and offices in Walkill. It&#39;s far enough away from NYC that if a disastor befell NYC the brothers could still get spiritual food to people. As much as I hate sounding like a nervous Nelly, but, I think NYC&#39;s time is due.

What was interesting with our bible reading for the week, Nebuchadrezzar (not -nezzar) made sure that when he took Israelites captive, he left the poor to tend the vineyards. So believe me when Jehovah exacts justice there will still be people left over to tend the vineyards or deal out spiritual truths to people. So if NYC goes down, we will still get some spiritual food. We may not get it in a timely manner, but we will still get something.

stayawake
05-18-2007, 01:29 PM
Does any one know ?
Just was wondering, the plans were that as soon as the Patterson farm was complete the GB was moving there.
Did that ever happen ?

Shibboleth
05-18-2007, 05:29 PM
Does any one know ?
Just was wondering, the plans were that as soon as the Patterson farm was complete the GB was moving there.
Did that ever happen ?[/b]


No. I think they are still in NYC.