"e-w Responds" Blog Suspended

[watchman]

This is just a quick note to inform the board that we suspended the "e-watchman responds" blog for the time being. Actually, the blog is still online but we merely dropped the link to it. The reason being it appears that Al and third witness have pretty much abadoned their "e-watchman exposed" project.

As it stands presently e-watchman is getting about 200 new visitors every day -- besides the regulars. It just seems counter-productive to me to introduce new readers to a controversy that my opponents have even abandoned. If, though, at some point my adversaries get their second wind I may consider reactivating the blog in response.

Watchman

[Kenneth]

‘Six Screens of the Watchtower Exposed’</span> </span>

[stayawake]

As it stands presently e-watchman is getting about 200 new visitors every day -- besides the regulars. It just seems counter-productive to me to introduce new readers to a controversy that my opponents have even abandoned. If, though, at some point my adversaries get their second wind I may consider reactivating the blog in response.

Watchman

Dear bro watchman
IMHO
That was the loving thing to do.
We don&#39;t know, there could really be some good sincere hearts .over there. Jahs hand is not short.
Jah is searching the hearts.

This is not the time to be playing games ,and I am sure some over there see this.
Prayerfully anyway.

Good grief all there Threads are attacking this board,I can hardly believe they are aquainted with Gods word.
Surely they can&#39;t all be JWs.
That is not a question.

IMHO just let them be/ for fear we would become just like them.
Now thats what our advesary would love.

I speak only for myself.
love stayawake

[watchman]

I suspect this last public exposure of the WT&#39;s secret multi-million dollar pay out to silence child abuse victims has taken the fight out of them. I mean, what JW with a shred of morality could defend such wickedness?

[Kenneth]

Good grief all there Threads are attacking this board,I can hardly believe they are aquainted with Gods word.
Surely they can&#39;t all be JWs.
That is not a question.

IMHO just let them be/ for fear we would become just like them.
Now thats what our advesary would love.[/b]

The same has to be said for many of the boards out there. Perhaps a question for those who say they follow Christ and want to post, would Jesus behave in such a way? No.

[Berean]

I agree with you, Kenneth. Sometimes I see comments on certain web sites, apparently made by JWs or people professing to be, and sometimes they even resort to swearing, saying things like "you [expletive] apostate". This is definitely not the way to handle opposition (1 Peter 2:23).

[Olm]

I for the first time went to AI&#39;s website just to see what all the fuss was about. Wow they do not act like christians in anyway. None stop attacks on this site. If you don&#39;t like this site then ignore it why attack it like they do. I can&#39;t believe what seems to be haterd on their part toward e-watchman. If you don&#39;t agree with him or like him fine but dont get nasty about it. I find e-watchman site peaceful and uplifting, then AI&#39;s site, I feel hate flowing around, as if they hate all that come to this site.

[Kenneth]

I for the first time went to AI&#39;s website just to see what all the fuss was about. Wow they do not act like christians in anyway. None stop attacks on this site. If you don&#39;t like this site then ignore it why attack it like they do. I can&#39;t believe what seems to be haterd on their part toward e-watchman. If you don&#39;t agree with him or like him fine but dont get nasty about it. I find e-watchman site peaceful and uplifting, then AI&#39;s site, I feel hate flowing around, as if they hate all that come to this site.[/b]


Hi Olm
What really bothered me about Al’s site was the lack of fruitage of spirit that was emanating from it. Jesus wouldn’t have behaved in such a way and even though I don’t agree with the society on every point if the society were to run a forum no way would have allowed such behaviour, yet that’s what Al’s board have been doing in the Watchtowers name. In fact on the basis of the comments made they would have been cautioned or band. There’s an article in this weeks KM about championing the truth, it didn’t mention setting up forums and hurling abuse at other people. I don’t wont to get into another debate with them but I did say the other week on the Jeremiah exposed thread that there’s no way the society wants this kind of behaviour done in their name. I just wish theses guys would realises this and get on with what ever it is that are supposed to be doing. This board is doing very well at present as we have unity and peace, let hope it remains that way.

[Shibboleth]

Well I congratulate watchman on not pursuing the &#39;vendetta&#39;.

Like I have said before, there are people who like to &#39;troll&#39; websites and try and get a rise out of people. In the end they only &#39;expose&#39; themselves as unchristian. I don&#39;t agree 100% with Robert and his views and I don&#39;t agree 100% with my brothers in the organization, but I never went online and made a website just specifically to &#39;expose&#39; something or someone if I felt wronged or slighted or if I felt they were wrong.

I guess some people never learned to &#39;turn the other check&#39;. They still like to hack and slash and lob people&#39;s ears off.

[Nash]

Well I congratulate watchman on not pursuing the &#39;vendetta.&#39;

Like I have said before, there are people who like to &#39;troll&#39; websites and try and get a rise out of people. In the end they only &#39;expose&#39; themselves as unchristian. I don&#39;t agree 100% with Robert and his views and I don&#39;t agree 100% with my brothers in the organization, but I never went online and made a website just specifically to &#39;expose&#39; something or someone if I felt wronged or slighted or if I felt they were wrong.

I guess some people never learned to &#39;turn the other cheek.&#39; They still like to hack and slash and lob people&#39;s ears off.[/b]

Agreed. At least one person on that board just doesn&#39;t know when to stop.

Perhaps some of them would prefer to join this board and assist in building up instead of all the tearing down that they do there.

Nash

[Nash]

It would sure be nice to talk to those guys personally. When I click on the register button, however, I am directed to a screen which asks me to check back in two weeks. This is the longest two weeks I have ever seen. This must be the same "two weeks" that the contractor was referring to when he responded to Tom Hanks&#39; character regarding his house repairs in "The Money Pit."

There appears to be some confusion between tearing down and stating facts. They are not the same thing. If person A states an incriminating fact about entity B, that does not mean that he is tearing entity B down, even though he may disagree with it. It may be perceived as tearing down (or, attack) by persons who believe that entity B could do no wrong (or have the wrong(s) in question excused).

Jesus Christ, at Matthew 3:7, called the Pharisees and Sadducees "offspring of vipers" and told them that they should "produce fruit that befits repentance." Jesus was stating a fact; his intent was not to tear them down, even though the religious leaders perceived otherwise. The religious leaders thought that they themselves could do no wrong, and no doubt they felt attacked by an individual who stated the facts and the truth.

I guess that is why Jesus later stated to them, at Matthew 23:25, 26: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of plunder and immoderateness. Blind Pharisee, cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside of it also may become clean."

Nash

[Kenneth]

Perhaps a simple question that individuals need to ask themselves when thinking of setting up a DB’s in the future, Does the society want theses DB’s set up in their name? Surely if the Watchtower wished to engage in this type of dialogue they would have done so by now.

One of the reasons why the Watchtower will not engage in debate is down to public exposure. If the brother/sisters knew what was really happening there would be an exodus. This forum however has been able to provide a balance in exposing the Watchtower teachings, the NGO affair and its child abuse policies but at the same time offering a full explanation of why theses things are so.

I for one have been emotionally cut to shreds over the deceit that has come from the Watchtower in the name of unity and to suggest none of it has happened is to burry our heads in the sand. My heart goes out to those who are finding the truth for the first time about the Watchtower. Have no fear Jehovah will safe guard your hearts as long as you keep close to his word.

[Jeshurun]

There&#39;s an expression from where I grew up, that you have to be made of Teflon. That means you have to let anything negative roll right off your back.

May we always strive to set the best example, and when we come under attack, it&#39;s a sure sign that we&#39;re doing something right.

Jesus summed it all up when he said: "By their fruits you will recognize them".

Thankfully we have this sanctuary here where we can speak the truth in a loving way to the best of our ability and receive encouragement and enlightenment.

So let&#39;s forget these guys already and learn from it. The persecution coming in the future will be far worse.

Agape

Lou

[Kenneth]

This is in reply to Alpha

I&#39;m going to reply to this just once and once only as I don&#39;t wont a repeat performance of the other week. I have spent many hours considering my position as a JW and have become convinced (not on every point) that Robert King has given a sound interpretation of scripture. And even though I recognize the Watchtower as the instrument used by Jehovah to re-gather his people there are some fundamental issues that are very wrong.

Now a number of years ago I would have defended the society no matter what. However, there comes a time when you just have to concede and that time for me is now. I have read 3^rd Witnesses essay and his blogs and other such apologists and they have failed to convince me of the society innocence as NGOs and on the child abuse policies. The interpretation of the prophetic word is also all over that place and after two decades of studying it, it still don&#39;t make sense too me. Also there are individuals in the organization who have never heard of Robert King but are having serious problems with the societies take on scripture and sadly some have left. So you see Alpha there comes a time when for some of us enough is enough. Do you know even if I were disfellowshipped I wouldn&#39;t speak of this to the brothers as it&#39;s not my intention to stumble them. (Even though I would sent a lengthy letter to the elders.)

There are many in the organization that would never consider looking on the web for information as they are contented at present with what they have. However, there are those who come across e-watchman who are already looking for answers to many of the perplexing questions that have gone unanswered by the Watchtower.

Alpha you cannot begin to feel my pain when I realized there was an operation of error. Even three years later it won&#39;t go away, don&#39;t you think I want to be in the throng of Gods people serving as a true shepherded, nothing would make me happier. However knowing what I know makes it impossible for me. (Even though I encourage those who have this understating and are serving as an elder to maintain their post until it becomes untenable.)

Alpha and others over on the board we all sit in the Kingdom hall as brothers, who knows we may even be in the same hall, now there&#39;s a thought. But I still see you as my brothers in the faith even though we are having a little dispute over one or two matters.

Its hightime we all let this feud go, if Robert King is correct then so be it, if the Watchtower is correct then so be it. All of us will have an accounting with God so let&#39;s let him be the judge.

Please don&#39;t take this the wrong way but no matter what you post in reply to this I will not reply as its all becoming tiresome.

(And just to reply to one of your other posts I am fully aware of YKW and YKW writing on other boards)

So my brother I wish you well and Gods speed and hope that someday we can serve our God Jehovah shoulder to shoulder with spirit and truth in the oneness of the faith.

Your brother
Kenneth

[Shibboleth]

Well done Kenneth.

I just want to add to the frustration Nash is also having about that DB. That has to be one of the longest two weeks I have ever seen. It is apparent they only want to &#39;discuss&#39; things amongst themselves, but feel it appropriate to link to watchman and also quote people from this DB. But yet they are trying to steer people clear of watchman? Boggles my mind why they even care. So the only conclusion I can come up with is that they are acting like little kids and don&#39;t really want to discuss anything but instead try and pick a fight cause they feel slighted.

If they want to discuss things with me then fine, but don&#39;t quote me on your DB and expect me to discuss an issue with you when you won&#39;t even let me register. you can email me at gopher043@yahoo.com anytime and we can discuss things. But if you (alpha) are looking to pick a fight, you are barking up the wrong tree, bro.

I personally expected more out of Gareth. He is the only person on that site and when he was on this site that I actually agreed 100% with. I am not sure why he is even wasting his time with alpha and crew. They seem like more of a dead end then anything else. No encouragement what-so-ever on that site. At least watchman provided a place where I can express an opinion without being blasted or flamed even if I don&#39;t agree with him. I don&#39;t even go to Paradise Cafe cause alot of the views there explicitly go against the bible and people are encouarged to go against the elder body and GB. So I don&#39;t even go there either.

So to alpha and crew if you want to have an intelligent and smart conversation I gave you my email above. But if all you want to do is take my quotes and quotes of others here and cut and paste them on your DB don&#39;t expect me to reply to them. This is your one and only chance to have a dialogue with me.

This is all I have to say on this issue.

Regards,

Shibboleth

[Jeshurun]

Seems that Al has suddenly taken on a future judgment view of the Watchtower. I almost posted the link without thinking but I caught myself. Anyhow, he&#39;s posted a long and pretty accurate exposure of the 1914 operation of error.

Hallelujah.

[Cephalon]

Seems that Al has suddenly taken on a future judgment view of the Watchtower. I almost posted the link without thinking but I caught myself. Anyhow, he&#39;s posted a long and pretty accurate exposure of the 1914 operation of error.

Hallelujah.[/b]


Did you check the date of that essay?

[Jeshurun]

Did you check the date of that essay?[/b]

It&#39;s dated May 19, 2007, however I had to do a little research to find out that it was originally posted in 2005.

So even if that&#39;s the case, he writes something like this two years ago and then goes on a campaign against Robert?

I don&#39;t know much of the history of him beyond November of last year when I woke up from my slumber.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Lou