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07-18-2007, 05:27 AM
We have now published a new Open Letter to the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses, which is also being sent out to numerous organizational branches and facilities and kingdom halls. It is available not only in traditional print format, but also as a streaming audio (31 minutes), a downloadable MP3 file, and PDF format, for anyone interested in mailing or sharing a copy.

You can read this latest Open Letter by visiting <a href="http://e-watchman.com" target="_blank">http://e-watchman.com

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Jinnvisible
07-18-2007, 06:20 AM
Thanks admin, i`m going to listen to or read it right now. Before i brush my teeth even.

Thanks sincerely for all your hard work in this struggle to find the true light of understanding.

Jinnvisible
07-18-2007, 04:13 PM
The above scripture in light of the society&#39;s `two Jerusalems` syndrome, became brightly intensified. Thanks watchman, for the empassioned delivery of it.</span></div>

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Gabriel
07-19-2007, 02:46 AM
The letter was very straight forward. I got to admit....we&#39;re all going to have a lot to answer for during that time when Jehovah judges his house first. No one will escape. I got to say Im scared about the whole thing....and anyone who says that this comming judgement doesnt un-nerve them either doesnt take this seriously or they&#39;re mentally ill. My whole stumoch is just sick. From what I&#39;ve read and from my study on this, it appears as though there isnt going to be much left of God&#39;s people to re-gather. How is anyone going to servive this thing. We trust that the WT was being honest with us. We trust that the WT..would lead us in the right direction......And now look where were at. In trouble for putting to much trust in the WT!

I dont expect to servive this at all but I do hope that im alive to see it when it all goes down....Hopefully Jehovah will see me worthy enough for that (sounds a little twisted i know)

stayawake
07-19-2007, 07:25 AM
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Dear Gabriel,
Take a real good look at what you posted above. Think about it Gab .Read it again and again.
You must make the truth YOUR OWN.
Theres still time to do your own building. We were all given the core doctrines when we became a JW. We know they are the founation that our faith is built on.
We also know that Jesus Christ is the Cornor Stone

Where we went wrong was to allow the WT to build on our personal foundation that we proved to our self came from Jehovahs Word
So the WT did just that , and we sat back and allowed it to happen.

So whos fault is that! ??
We got lazy thats what happened and never checked out the materiels that the WT was using.
Now that we are facing what we were waiting to happen
we realize our faith may not withstand what lays ahead.

Do we just sit back and let it happen /
or do we get into Gods word and rebuild on this strong foundation ourselves
and not allow man to do , what we should be doing.

Christ is the HEAD of the congergations (annointed) so if we are going to be friends of the Bride ( annointed ) we also must follow the Head which is Christ Jesus.

Faith is the only thing thats going to give us the needed weapon to survive, and there is still time to build that faith, but one MUST NOT allow man to lead one. One MUST become a follower of Christ.

JAH WILL HELP YOU REBUILD WHERE YOU WILL HAVE FAITH , THAT NO FIRE WILL BURN DOWN/
Jesus said , Knock and it will be opened to you ,Seek and you shall find, Ask and it will be given to you

This is what we are all doing here Gab. We are putting our Faith in Gods Word, and seeing how we were fools to allow others to try to build a faith we find ourselves with out.Your post gives one a very good idea of how those who trusted the GB are going to feel when Justice is melted out. Their trust is in Humans.
Can you just Imagine !
they will not be able to endure as they have not made the truth their own.

It&#39;s not over yet Gab, we are blessed with a new beginning,
So you see the glass is not half empty it is really half full. :ban_dance02:

You are not alone Gab,
Nows the time to pull up your boot strapes and get going.
Thanking Jah that we still have time to cultivate and build with fire resistent materials.
love stayawake

NEW HEART
07-19-2007, 08:24 PM
Dear StayAwake,

I love what you said. We all have put our trust in man, instead of making the truth our own, as you said. We let man hand feed us. Thats what lukewarmness means, sitting there and being hearers only.

We have to rise up and stop being lazy and do our own research. If we don&#39;t keep on seeking and making sure of all things, we will have the door closed in our faces. To Jehovah, this shows a lack of faith, and if we are lukewarm, he will spit us out because we sat in the midst of deception, and through this deception, we can be guilty of refusing to know Jehovah.

Jeremiah 9: 6

Your sitting is in the midst of deception. Through deception they have refused to know me," is the utterance of Jehovah.


We all have to repent and come back to him with our whole heart, and that means we have to do the searching, no man can do it for us.

Sis
New Heart

littleone
07-19-2007, 09:39 PM
I agree with NEW HEART, Gabriel. Stayawake gave you some great advice. There is no better foundation to build from spiritually than Jesus Christ. He is the tried, tested and true cornerstone.

"Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved." - Acts 4:12

So how do we "call on Jehovah&#39;s name" to be saved? By going thru Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. - John 14:6 If we truly build our faith on his name, then we are in fact making "the truth" our own, because we&#39;re making Jesus Christ our own. Therefore, he becomes the way to life for us.

So build your trust and faith in Jesus Christ, because he is the solid foundation that will never be brought to ruin. :)

billy
07-19-2007, 10:12 PM
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Orchid
07-19-2007, 10:50 PM
Gab

I know how you feel. I&#39;m very much afraid too. I&#39;m writing this to be honest with myself and others here. Sometimes when reading things like this I feel, "Where is the room to disciplined by Jehovah, and yet survive, being imperfect?" There are many brothers and sisters who are humble and teachable, meek (I think of a lot of the older ones) and still under the society&#39;s false teachings, what&#39;s to come of these ones?

Sometimes when you post, I feel I share you thoughts, that we are alike. Maybe I just don&#39;t have a lot of confidence in myself in thinking I&#39;m making the right choices, especially from the pressures and teachings of the Society, to do this or that. I begin to question every choice I make, and it feels impossible sometimes. It&#39;s all confusing.

All I know is this: Jehovah will be fair judge. His judgments will be perfect justice. Rely on Jehovah, read his word daily and keep building up your faith in him to do this perfect justice and all other things. This is what I strive to do. I wish I could tell everyone I meet at the hall, I wish I could tell my teacher how I really feel.

I am also keeping Stayawake & New Heart&#39;s post in mind, thanks guys.

Orchid :40:

Gabriel
07-20-2007, 01:05 AM
Im not so sure and possitive of things the way most here are. Im sorry but I get a cold sence of dread when I read each letter Robert/Admin. puts out. Man, ignorance is so sweet! But nothing I can do about that now......I know to much (Lol) But on a more serious note, it&#39;s just so depressing to be "Lower than dust" ....."mere grasshoppers" and yet be subjected to all the things that we have to go through now and worse....what were gonna have to go through later. So many of us are going to have to suffer,more than what we can ever imgaine. Like Robert said....its not like we&#39;re going to watch the G.T on our 64&#39;inch plasma screens as were eating chips and dip kicked back in our lazzy boy....(Ok Robert...i added a bit)

Personaly....I just dont think that any of us have anything to be confident about. What we think or what we do isnt a garantee that we persoanly will be viewed as worthy to become citizens of the Kingdom. I dont mean to sound negeitive, but nothing I&#39;ve been learning has been really possitive. Dont get me wrong...I think its all very bennificial but some time its just TOO MUCH. every since man has been placed on the earth we&#39;ve been the objects of so much "Testing", debate,war, and curiosity. we havent even had a chance to breath! As soon as we&#39;re born we&#39;re automaticly put into the data base of the Two great opposing powers waiting to see who&#39;s side we&#39;ll choose. Doesn&#39;t it just make you angry! To know that we&#39;re automaticly put in the game for life....and most people dont even know what the hell there fighting for! Dont even know that thier life is put in the ballance. If thats not enough to make you sick i dont know what is.

Molly
07-20-2007, 01:17 AM
Dear Gabriel and Orchid-

It is understandable to be afraid. How many of us can say we know we are living up to Jehovah&#39;s standards. I know that I fail him daily, really hourly. Sometimes I feel like it&#39;s a waste of time to try to persist when I fail continually, but Jehovah knows what we are made of - dust. He also knows what is in our hearts - what we wanted to do. And he knows our faith - and that is what will save us.

When the WTS goes poof! how many witnesses will give up and leave Jehovah. We know what is coming and will be somewhat ready (I don&#39;t think anyone is really ready.) for the discipline ahead. The 8th king will have his day but we shouldn&#39;t despair. We are steps ahead of the rest because we, at least, are awake. And most here are sighing and groaning over the detestable things that are happening. Isn&#39;t that what Jehovah is looking for?

Orchid, I agree, it is a fine line between imperfection and discipline. It won&#39;t be easy for anyone, but with faith he will see us through the nightmare ahead. Don&#39;t give up. It will be worth the effort in the end. Jehovah has promised us that there will be survivors.

I wish I could tell everyone at the Hall as well. But they just wouldn&#39;t listen. In fact, if they were meant to understand, they would be searching like the rest of us. I sure don&#39;t understand it all, but at least I am still seeking, asking, knocking. While we still have the time to do so, we should be making sure of all things.

Molly

stayawake
07-20-2007, 01:27 AM
Dear Orchid,
Believe me every thing is going to work out,
Attitude means a lot and Jehovah will take that in account, it shows remorse, as each day comes and goes if you lean on Jehovah and his son and forget about the GB you will grow stronger, and stronger.
We are all going to be hit with the same test, as "TO whom Do We Belong "so this is what we want to be preparing for.

we were made cripples, almost afried to walk with out their crutch
Remember each one is to carry his own load,there fore we are responsible for ourselves.

When you enjoy the freedom in Christ you will know you are building with the right materials. Christ did say to take his yoke as it was light,
Until this happens one will have no joy.

The ones I would not want to be are those ( annointed ) who usurped Jehovahs arrangemet, and replaced Christ as the Head with themselves.
Jah is not one to be mocked

love stayawke

Eli&#39;s Foe
07-20-2007, 11:03 PM
Getting back to the point of this thread ie. Robert&#39;s letter. Personally I am delighted to see him expose the hypocrisy of the GB and its supporters. I feel sure Jehovah is exercising great restraint at this point in not dealing with them immediately!

Just as when Moses descended from Sinai to find the Israelites worshipping the golden calf, the greater Moses, Jesus Christ will find a similar idolatry being practiced when he symbolically also returns from his Father. I feel nothing but contempt for the way brothers and sisters and children have been treated by the Society and its appointees - it is time for them to listen, and to be judged by the same standards they judge others.

If the Society has it right and Robert is wrong, I dont want to live in the new order - it is a simple as that. We need a change in the hearts and minds of our brothers, let us hope a few take note of this letter.

I am reproducing it for congregations in my area - and I recommend this action to you all, Robert has taken the time to produce it , so please use it.

EF

littleone
07-20-2007, 11:06 PM
Great reply StayAwake! :)

The truth of the matter is that I think you guys have a good point. We&#39;ve been so busy lately talking about all the detestable things going on that it can sometimes seem like too much. We should all keep in mind that we should be gathering and building eachother up in the faith. That said, there is nothing wrong at all with exposing transgressions. However, perhaps we need some upbuilding posts... some encouraging posts... posts that build up faith, and posts that heal. I know just reading stayawake&#39;s post in this thread have given me much encouragement.

I will try to keep these things in mind in my future posts. Perhaps we will be able to incite one another to love and fine works, building eachother up in the faith. I know I could sure use some upbuilding and encouragement at times.

Great posts in this thread!

stayawake
07-21-2007, 03:02 AM
Getting back to the point of this thread ie. Robert&#39;s letter. Personally I am delighted to see him expose the hypocrisy of the GB and its supporters. I feel sure Jehovah is exercising great restraint at this point in not dealing with them immediatel

If the Society has it right and Robert is wrong, I dont want to live in the new order - it is a simple as that. We need a change in the hearts and minds of our brothers, let us hope a few take note of this letter.
I am reproducing it for congregations in my area - and I recommend this action to you all, .
EF[/b]


Dear EF
Your post brought a smile on my face, you at the moment
put me in mind of Peter
Believe me I know how you feel, but this rightious indignation may cost you.

Do you want to ,
or are you ready to be cut off as Robert was.?
I am sure you wouldn&#39;t want the friends to create a situation for them selves that they are not ready to handle.. Most here are not all on the same level.

We are all experiencing the freedom in Christ and its still scary for some, to make this addjustment
Most here are doing all they can at the present to get their lives in order, and at the same time no one moves at the same pace.
But as for you EF do what you think you must do.
It just may be you are ready for this step

Take care
love stayawake


Love your zeal

I am sure we are all going to have our day in court.

Eli&#39;s Foe
07-21-2007, 08:38 AM
Stayawake,

I may put you in mind of Peter, but believe me I am not impulsive. I have been giving thought as to how I can raise these matters in my own locality for some time. I am not going to tell you publically how to do this as that would be counter-productive, but rest assured there are ways of doing a mail shot or emailing which avoid any possibility of being caught out. (Matt 10:16)

EF :icon_cool:

Viking
07-21-2007, 11:39 AM
it is good that Robert King does not give up and keeps on his straight going on.
The approach of the GB " we are leading the worldwide preaching work" ist not modest. it is idolatry together with their behaviour.

I always comapre myself with in Israelite of the days of Eli and his sons. What opportuniites did he have to change the mind of the hihg priest and his greedy sons?

What chance did a jew have in the time of Jeremia, when the king and the noblesse and the priest were corrupted. Surely there were many who mourned about the things that happen.

But they could not correct the leaders. Our self annointed "Maximo Leaders" . sorry not Fidel, are living like the worm in the bacon. They have everything they need and one of this old men even was accused to have raped once a young girl and he did not react to the accusation. I forgot her name but whe was connected to Bill Bowen.

In a congregation it is obligation that when an elder is under suspicion his ordination is questioned and rests until it is cleared up.

some are more equal, especially when they are on the 70iest stair, like Pharao - I remind to the book of Yashar.

Our father Jehovah will clear up the tabel, tabula rasa is the soil for a new beginning.

Nowadays there are many dominations who search Jehovah, who do it by a low mind.
I think we still are not in Babylon the Great that must be left behind. This lies before us, together with Palsm 2:2 where the kings of the world unite against gods annointed one.

We will see how Jehovah who measrues the hearts, will unite his people under the umbrella of his divine protection. We can trust him that he can do that even if worldwide persecution is coming .
Satan fights for his world and keeps the principle of burned earth.

let us keep confidence into the divine plan, we cant leave Israel or Judah, we are everywhere in threatend areas. But the name of Jehovah is a strong fortress - you escape into and are saved.

I would not wonder, if one of the WT leaders one day is fed up wiht all he sees and uses his connection to the branche offices to start up a revolution.

It is too much transparent meantime that they failed and acted against their own doctrine. Shame is coming and desillusion is present, I just saw on a congress one leader - his face was not so happy as the congress shoul make. They are frustrated that they cant do anything as they loose their hosts, their income and their quality to live. And nobody is applauding.

The quality in a better worship they have not recognized and when they do it, it is too lagte.

repenting is shown by better works and not by beating the "we are great drum".

The whole world is a barrel with gasoline in. only the spark is missing.

and when the 2nd 911 does come, then we will see how liberty is buried, war is exploding and humankind is dying. When the horses gallopp then not only millions will die, I guess it will be billions.
Since 1914 there lived about 10 billion people but only about 300 million died because of war and famine. that is nothing compared with Revelation.

we know much about what is coming and yet to less. But we will recognize it when it takes place.