President Bush's Speach 1/10/07

[Shibboleth]

I watched Bush's address to the nation last night. I was kinda intrigued by all the talk on "security" and then asking for "peace". But what really turned my head was when he said that "there must be peace and security in Iraq". As far as I can remember from listening to alot of his addresses he has never really phrased "peace and security" quite like he did last night. He also seems to be putting the troops into more danger. He is sending a warship into the Straits of Hormuz. This is heavily guarded by Iran. It's almost like he wants to taunt Iran into a fight.

Did anyone else see the address? Any thoughts?

regards,

Shibboleth

[eyes&ears]

I did not hear it all just bits and pieces of his speech.

He is certainly being led about with HOOKS IN HIS JAWS, SPOUTING OUT FROGLIKE EXPRESSIONS. HE IS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL.

EZEKIEL 38 & 39

REVELATION 16:13-15

Love to all

Eyes & Ears

[Shibboleth]

Bush definitly looked less confident then he normally does. Along with his view that he is doing this cause God told him to makes him a very dangerous man.

[fruitage]

Hello Shibboleth...hope your well ...

I saw bits and pieces too as E&E's said....but the one thing that occurred to me..is what will happen with a democratic country in the middle east....I don't get into politics...but is there a democratic country over there....

Its like Bush is a driven man and what with the influence of democracy over there and knowing how the radical Jihad and other radical muslims hate democracy and everything it stands for.

[Shibboleth]

I do not believe there are many democratic countries in the Middle East. I think many of them are so-called theocracies in which their religion is the law of the land. Even though most of these countries hold elections, I think many of the elections are mostly religious based with some cleric overlooking whomever comes into office. I also don't believe that the U.S. is a democracy anymore. Most of the cries coming from the middle class and lower class go unheeded. THere is no more "for the people, by the people".

I was reading on MSN, they had a feedback section where people could voice how they feel about Bush's plan. I got about 4 pages deep and it was pretty much the same theme - Impeach Bush and do not send more troops. One person asked if Bush was the anti-christ.

In this time of the end it is more evident we need to stay nuetral during this. I am personally sick and tired of the lies the U.S. gov't uses. I cannot wait for Jehovah and Jesus to fix all of this.


Regards,

Shibboleth

[Jeshurun]

Along with his view that he is doing this cause God told him to makes him a very dangerous man.[/b]

I must have missed when he said that, but it's no shock. What he doesn't realize is that it was the wrong god. The true God wouldn't talk to an antichrist-controlled Freemason from the Skull and Bones Society who secretly worships Hitler.

He does a good job of making it seem like he really cares about Iraquis, though. The civil war he created there is a dramatic success. Next on the nation destabilization list is Iran, and we certainly have the stage set in the Strait of Hormuz for the next false flag operation.

Here we go.....

[Shibboleth]

<div class='quotemain'>Along with his view that he is doing this cause God told him to makes him a very dangerous man.[/b]

I must have missed when he said that, but it&#39;s no shock. What he doesn&#39;t realize is that it was the wrong god. The true God wouldn&#39;t talk to an antichrist-controlled Freemason from the Skull and Bones Society who secretly worships Hitler.
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he didn&#39;t say it last night in his speech, but he said it a few years ago. I believe it may have been in first presidential address or one of his speeches after. He said that he was in the position of president cause god wanted him to be and that he was doing god&#39;s will on earth. He also views himself as the one who brings peace and security to the earth. In my view he is just as dangerous as these militant insurgents.

Regards,

Shibboleth

[Berean]

He does a good job of making it seem like he really cares about Iraquis, though. The civil war he created there is a dramatic success. Next on the nation destabilization list is Iran, and we certainly have the stage set in the Strait of Hormuz for the next false flag operation.[/b]
Don&#39;t forget Somalia. The situation in that country is also far from stable now that the Islamists there seem to have been driven out, and people are fearing that a civil war may break out. Of course America will want a piece of the pie there as well, and they&#39;ve already sent troops.

As for Bush talking to God, it&#39;s not certain he said it (at least the White House denies it, and I&#39;m not sure if the source who said he said that is reliable), but you can find a bit of background story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4317498.stm

[stayawake]

IMHO : WE know for sure, here on in, that Jah has all things in control, to carry out his purpose.
If the society really is going to feel that the preaching work is finished
then it&#39;s time for us to pray and grow strong, as our preaching work is just going to get started. The Matt 28:19,20 was one phase of preaching,and teaching all about the RANSOM sacrifice of Christ. That he Jesus was the promise seed.
The preaching that we are facing next is found in Matt 24 :14 which tells us the &#39;Good news of the Kingdom will be preached "
The" Good News " will be that the Heavens gave birth to the kingdom of God. This very Kingdom that we have been praying for ,for centuries. That is the GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM that we are to preach . IT IS ALONG with ALL other EVENTS THAT MAKE UP THIS COMPOSITE SIGN OF THE Great Tribulation..
Strange as it may seem at present those in Christendem have been looking and praying for this kingdom to come , so there won&#39;t be a problem in their seeing it.
Ask any one at the door, and yes they know when Christ comes so will his kingdom. They don&#39;t have it altogether, but niether does the WT.\
It will be then that we will have the glorious sons of God reveiled to us , along with the large part ,they will play in the near future .
To assure that Great Crowd that no man can number. that the Kingdom of God was set up in the heavens Jahs out pouring of HOLY SPIRIT will take place.
All we have to do we ,(that hope to be of that GC )when the time comes is to reach out to these anointed in need, at maybe at the risk of our very own life
Not only them but there no doubt will be other lovers of Jah that may need help This is where strong faith will be needed. Now is the time to pray for that mind-set. Matt 25:31-46.
Exciteing but stressful times lay ahead, but we won&#39;t be among those who will be awakend to , like Bush had put it "Shock and Awe."
Now is the time to fed on Gods Word Daily. Always keep in mind , no man can ever give us the reward ,heavenly or earthly, that Jehovah God promeses to those who love HIM and keep HIS CAMMANDMENTS. Another good reminder is Jah takes NO DELIGHT in those that SHRINK back. I only speak for myself.
love stayawake

[Shibboleth]

As for Bush talking to God, it&#39;s not certain he said it (at least the White House denies it, and I&#39;m not sure if the source who said he said that is reliable), but you can find a bit of background story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4317498.stm[/b]

thanks.
I&#39;ll check it out later when i get a second.

I heard it straight from Bush&#39;s mouth during a speech on T.V. I remember it vividly cause I was staying with my dad for a few months. It was a Jan. or Feb speech. I was pretty shocked and asked some of my friends if they had seen the speech, but they hadn&#39;t.


edited in : I just read the article. 2003 sounds about right, because I stayed with my dad in 2004 Jan. - March and I watched Bush on T.V. say similar things but not verbatim. I know he distinctly said that he was backed by God and God wanted him to help the world gain peace and security.

[dgibson]

RRRrrrraaa! His new meds, must be working very well, with liquor!!! Rrrrraaa! Whistle!!!

[stayawake]

Must agree with yes, Bush said it. I heard him myself (ON THE TV OF COURSE :rolleyes: )Also believe it was in News WEEK or TIMES

[fruitage]

<div class='quotemain'>Along with his view that he is doing this cause God told him to makes him a very dangerous man.[/b]

I must have missed when he said that, but it&#39;s no shock. What he doesn&#39;t realize is that it was the wrong god. The true God wouldn&#39;t talk to an antichrist-controlled Freemason from the Skull and Bones Society who secretly worships Hitler.

He does a good job of making it seem like he really cares about Iraquis, though. The civil war he created there is a dramatic success. Next on the nation destabilization list is Iran, and we certainly have the stage set in the Strait of Hormuz for the next false flag operation.

Here we go.....
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Hello Lou...actually if you think about it...could it be the true God putting hooks in his jaws.....Bush is a driven man with an agenda, thats for sure.

[Kenneth]

I have been cut and pasting articles from the Aljazeera site with reference to Iran and Israel in the Watchting the world thread. It appears that the Bush administration is getting ever more desperate to create a war with the Iranians. They aren\&#39;t going to stop with Iraq putting 20,000 more troops in is not going to get rid of insurgency. They\&#39;ve now blacklisted an Iranian bank, storm an Iranian consulate in Iraq, sanctioned arms suppliers to Iran and Syria, and imposed sanctions among other things. I would say Bush and his cronies are steering for war, I can\&#39;t think of a better way to set the world alight.

Kenneth

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Sigmund Freud <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">(and he was as mad as the hatter)

[eyes&ears]

He was talking to his god, The golden calf god of politics, the god of this system of things. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

E & E

[Jeshurun]

Hello Lou...actually if you think about it...could it be the true God putting hooks in his jaws.....Bush is a driven man with an agenda, thats for sure.[/b]

That&#39;s a really good point, you&#39;re right on the ball there, Fruitage!

For anybody who hasn&#39;t read my New World Order Conspiracy thread, the first post is related to this.

[Jinnvisible]

He is sending a warship into the Straits of Hormuz. This is heavily guarded by Iran. It&#39;s almost like he wants to taunt Iran into a fight.

Did anyone else see the address? Any thoughts?

regards,

Shibboleth[/b]

This seems like a good stratedgy for Bush. If he can draw them out he can say hey ! they hit me first.

That first strike, attack mode has really polarised much of the rest of the worlds view of the US administration.

Also it seems that the american presidents are goaded by some degree by the fact that these little `Saddam` or `Kim sum young` types because the pres. is out after 2 terms. Wheras these dictators are Kings for as long as they can hold on. I don`t mean to say that the pres. is neccesarily personaly affonted by these things how ever it might speed them to action. If Bush can get into a brawl in the middle East it will certainly limit the opptions of any successor of his.

Amazing to think that the Pres. believes he is a part of greater plan to bring about a new world according to prophesy.

[Shibboleth]

Absolutely Jinn.

I wonder what Iran(Persia) is going to do. I remember when U.S. warship attacked some Iranian ships in the Straits in the 80&#39;s. If that was to happen today there would be a huge conflict in that area. It&#39;s kind of amazing that there was no real impact in the 80&#39;s mainly due to a heavy diplomatic response.

It&#39;s real amazing that we have this power (Iran) that used to be a real player in that area when it conquered Babylon. Then it was destroyed, but is now rearing it&#39;s head again as an up and coming power.

Regards,

Shibboleth

[stayawake]

[quote]Amazing to think that the Pres. believes he is a part of greater plan to bring about a new world according to prophesy.}[/SIZE] Dear Jinn,
Bush may not be too far off course.
What other president would make such a bold move into Iraq if he honestly didn&#39;t believe he had Gods backing.??
I personally would not shrug it off.
This president may just be The MAN
love stayawake

[Jeshurun]

It is true that we are living at that time when Jehovah would put his thought into the hearts of men to carry out his purpose, so maybe the Watchtower is really onto something. Also, maybe all those false prophecies would cause people to shrug them off, like the boy who cried wolf. So perhaps this is it.

I still don&#39;t understand stopping the preaching. At least bring it into the modern age and ditch the doorbell stuff and start getting serious and using the internet, radio and television. They have the money. And how about changing the message and letting up on the "you have to be a Witness" bit and just let people know that they are going to be judged during the GT? I just don&#39;t get it.

[Shibboleth]

I still don&#39;t understand stopping the preaching. At least bring it into the modern age and ditch the doorbell stuff and start getting serious and using the internet, radio and television. They have the money. And how about changing the message and letting up on the "you have to be a Witness" bit and just let people know that they are going to be judged during the GT? I just don&#39;t get it.[/b]

I&#39;ve heard them on the radio. They have an ad that went out on sports radio. At first I couldn&#39;t believe it. So after hearing the ad a few times, I went on the internet and they had the ad on the jw-media.org site.

I also saw on MTV the real life, a show about real life people (not real world), and one of the specials was on inter-faith marriages. One of the women who was in an interfaith marriage was trying to figure out if she wanted to be a JW. This episode was on recently so you may be able to pick it up on re-runs.

Personally I think the Society may not want to do extensive ad campaigns or tv specials since they would look like all the rest of Christendom. If I wasn&#39;t a JW Would I listen or watch JW&#39;s if they were on TV and radio? I don&#39;t know. I probably would just turn the channel. Would I listen to a JW if they came to my door or if I saw them on the street? I probably would be more exceptive of a message if I have personal contact with the person giving the message. It seems more personal when you are one on one with someone. (This is just my preference)

Regards,

Shibboleth

[Jeshurun]

I think a cable tv program with Witnesses speaking about Biblical issues would be a stark contrast to the religious shows that are currently on. I tried watching one recently, it was just absolutely painful. The Watchtower has a seemingly endless supply of tremendously talented and gifted speakers. People would get to see that it is not a crazy cult that would rather die than get a transfusion. How about just a one hour program every week, bringing the public talk to television on Sunday morning? And if it were listed in the tv guide with a catchy title, who knows who might turn it on?

As far as places like China, a large percentage of the population is on the internet. I don&#39;t know what the government would allow there, but anything is better than nothing.

[Shibboleth]

You are right Jeshurun. They would probably put out alot more educational things about the bible then all the other shows. How hard and how much time would it take to do something like that?


Could I do the puppet show? :P

regards,

Shibboleth

[Jeshurun]

Could I do the puppet show? :P[/b]

Right after the UNICEF commercial :lol: