War Of Denominations

[Excaliber]

I could realy use some help here.
I do not understand the consept of denominations. I sorta dont understand sertain things about organized religion. Now I am not trying to be rebelious or anything. But just like there are sertain ways our joints dont bend...there are sertain ways my mind just dosent bend.....expesialy in understanding my place in organized religion.

My understanding of why God would need organized religion is mainly for the preaching work to be done in an orderly way. And you would also need congregations for people to meet and organize the preaching in there area.
And for all this you would have elders and other titles..Ok that part I get.

What I dont understand is the borg mentality..for those that watch star trek
1) A Denomination controling almost every aspect of life, and anyone questioning it are excomunicated.
2)A denomination picking a part of christianity and nameing itself after it...for example Jehovahs witness,Pentecostal,Catholic, etc..etc..
If you are christian you are automaticaly a witness and technicaly you are outomaticaly Catholic..etc..etc
3) A denomination claiming to be "THE ONLY CHANEL OF COMMUNICATION WITH GOD"...like the watchtower. I thought the bible and prayer was our communication with God.

4) The infalability of Denominations, I dont understand why these organizations try to be more then what they are...just imperfect men trying to preach the gospel.
We try to be infalible prophets some times, and we end up with a bunch of false predictions....then we try to cover them all up.

5) Also if we beleive that our Denomination, is worthy of controling what we do and dont beleive..and controling our lives basicly. If an organization was to act almost as God on earth. Why do we today call the first such organization Babylon the great?
If an organization was Gods will, and not just the spreading of the gospel... Why is it that we beleive we had to start all over with C.T. Russel, because the first Organization " FAILED". What makes any organization after the first any better.

I think God deals with us individualy. If he wanted a Denomination to deal with us for him.....why do we have 3000 of them today? Sounds to me like God is not blessing the different denominations attempts to dominate our spiritual lifes.

If someone could show me how my thinking is in error...IF it is in error, I would appreciate it.

[fruitage]

Hi Excaliber how are you...

its not like we weren't warned....Jesus told us this was going to happen...and it's to be expected all the more reason for our faith in Christ Jesus and Jehovah God ....and all the more reason to pray and hope for Christs return....all the while making best use of what we have at present ....and thats institutions that will be gone...

You kind of answered your own question...when you said you knew we had to gather together and be organized to preach the good news...

The part you get Excaliber is the important part....Jehovah and Christ will take care of the rest as no man can do...

Take care of yourself

[Jeshurun]

Hello Excaliber

There's a scripture about man not being able to direct his own steps. This is painfully evident in what you are asking about.

Every organized religion is man made. Most of them start out humble, with good intentions, as did the Protestant faith when they first rebelled against the papacy. According to what I read in the King James Bible (pre-1990), they even used Jehovah's name to some extent. But inevitably religion is overrun by a collective power trip of its leaders. It's corruptible human nature and stands testimony to the fact that man cannot govern himself, either spiritually or secularly. I never would have imagined this happening to the Watchtower, but it did, and the ironic thing is that it has been from the beginning, but it seems that now its a problem. Why? Everyone is tired of the false alarms, the dates, the Phariseec slavery, and the field service. (Well they took care of that now, didn't they?)

That's why we all look forward to the fulfillment of Zephaniah 3:8,9 where it says:
⁸ "'Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'till the day of my rising up to [the] booty,

for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my

denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. ⁹ For then I shall give to peoples

the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to

shoulder.'

<span style="font-family:Verdana">Thanks for your post
Lou

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[Shibboleth]

Just think of it, if Adam and Eve didn&#39;t sin we wouldn&#39;t have organizations. We would be under Jehovah&#39;s rule and law.

But since we are so privileged to be sinners (note sarcasm) our imperfect minds want to feel a spirituality, but people want it their way and not God&#39;s. They want religion to suit themselves. It&#39;s been happening since Babel.

The thing is, we can&#39;t so it on our own. We need support from our brothers and sisters. Which is why we have the organization Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. I see the JW organization as a support group to cope with the world as well as a great way to organize for the ministry. Look at the word organization. The word organize is the main portion of the word. It is what JW&#39;s do best. They have some of the best organizational skills to combat natural disastors. They organize extremely well for the ministry. We all have one thing in common and that is worship to Jehovah.

Anyway, just my thought.


regards,

Shibboleth

[Jinnvisible]

King Henry VIII of England required a divorce. Church wouldn`t grant it.

Step 1. ( a ) Make new church or ( b ) chop wife`s head off again.

Step 2. Get new and improved wife head intact for headship arrangement.

Step 3. Go to new church on sunday with wife.

[LoveJehovah]

The Scriptures said this would happen. What is happening with all these different demoninations forming is because each one believe that they are teaching and preaching the true religion. Each one believe that they are the true religion and the other is wrong. None of these demoninations are teaching the Truth especially when these different ones condon all sorts of vile things, teach the Trinity, being involved in political matters and running for political office and etc. I grew up in a Methodist congregation and even as a child and young lady I always had doubts and questions and no one could ever answer them to where I was satisfied based on the Scriptures that I had read. I never ever believed in the Trinity even though it was taught in my congregation and no one could ever make me think different. The Kingdom News 37 was a wonderful publication because it was letting people know that all these different religions are going to be done away with and as of right now they are teaching false teachings. I have been in the Truth for 3 years now and I am so grateful and thankful. I wished someone somewhere could have talked to me many years ago because with what I was experiencing and not getting satisfied spiritually I would have accepted the Truth many years ago.

[Excaliber]

Shibboleth
I will be happy when we go back to being under Gods law.

All the different denominations are like gangs fighting over the same teritory Christianity. And of course everyone feels they are the true owner of the name.

And we are sure we have every thing right, because the trinity teaching is so imposible that we must be correct.

[Steadfast]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

It has always been Satan&#39;s scheme to divide Truth and cause division. He was very successful when we consider what began in the first century….a deviation from the true foundation of the Christian congregation.

Paul said at Acts 20:29 – &#39;I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away disciples after themselves.&#39;

He also elaborated upon this at 2 Thessalonians 2 saying that the parousia of Christ would not take place until the great apostasy had been revealed. He went on to say that &#39;the lawless one&#39;s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.&#39;

Paul goes on to say: &#39;God lets (sends) an operation of error to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.&#39;

Historically, what happened? When Constantine declared Christianity to be the state religion of Rome to unite his crumbling empire, Christianity indeed was twisted to deviate from Truth. What are some of the teachings that turned Christianity into Christendom and from truth to falsehood?

1. Trinity
2. Hellfire
3. Immortal soul
4. Satan is not a real person
5. Adam and Eve were not real people
6. Earth&#39;s is destroyed
7. All Christians are born again
8. All Christians are in the first resurrection
9. All Christians go to heaven
10. All Christians become immortal
11. All Christians are in the New Covenant
12. All Christians partake of the emblems
13. All Christians rule as kings/priests
14. Fleshly Jews are still God&#39;s chosen people

and more…..

I&#39;m sure I missed some, so please feel free to add to the list.

So what we can read and see historically is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. We should take comfort knowing that all matters will be set straight during the great tribulation when all things will be revealed to every man.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Excaliber]

We always talk about a great apostasy in very general terms. We say there were inquisitions....there was constantine...everyone not just groups here and there but everyone stoped serving God....exept 2 or 3 people here and there...etc...etc...etc..

never any solid proff!

What EXACTLY did constantinue do and how do you know?
What exact inquisition and what exactly took place?
How exactly did the first christians worship before constantine? If we dont know, then how do we know what constantinue changed?

If we were in a court that used the principle inocent untill shown guilty, we would have work to do.

We always assume all this stuff happend with no facts, and we feel comfortable because of the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine automaticly means all we teach is accurate.

There must be evidence of all this, even hitler tried to destroy all jews, but 2000 years from now we will all know what happend because there is solid evidence of what he did.
we say constantine or some apostate did something on a larger scale then hitler, we say he some how defiled christianity all over the then known world..not just in rome. And tricked 90 percent of christians all the way down untill today.
Some how even though isreal had an organized religion for many years...and knowone could bring pagan practics into it with out both all isreal knowing about it..and God makeing sure all isreal knew about it. All the way down to the Jews with there organized form of worship, and even though the priests of that time were corupt..there is no record I know of were they brought false gods into the synogogs...also the sacrifices and form of worship was still acceptable to God.
Yet Jesus comes ...and then one of the biggest things in all history happens...someone destroys an intire organized religion, and it remains dead for 2000 years. during that time 2 or 3 people "could have meet together but knowone knows". Somehow an emporor converts to christianity and eledgedly destroys an intire organized WORLD religion.

Now if that was not historic enuff....what is even more historic is that knowone realy knows exactly how he did it? He some how did the perfect crime and left no traces. He somehow like kidnaped all the christians and replaced them with people who worshiped roman mythology under the cover of christianity... And what is even more historic, he would have had " NO REASON TO DO ANY OF THAT" !!!!!
yes this crime has no motive.
The christians were no threat to him, no political benefit would come to him by sideing with this comparitivly small group.
He just one day said I want to corupt a religion for absolutely no reason.

This would make a very interesting mystery novel.

[Berean]

It wasn&#39;t all done by Constantine personally, of course, but under his rule the Catholic Church came into existence, and since then they&#39;ve been completely perverting the Christian faith with their many Councils, starting with Nicea, I believe.

[Jinnvisible]

How exactly did the first christians worship before constantine?[/b]

It`s in the bible.

[olrono]

We always talk about a great apostasy in very general terms. We say there were inquisitions....there was constantine...everyone not just groups here and there but everyone stoped serving God....exept 2 or 3 people here and there...etc...etc...etc..

never any solid proff!

What EXACTLY did constantinue do and how do you know?
What exact inquisition and what exactly took place?
How exactly did the first christians worship before constantine? If we dont know, then how do we know what constantinue changed?

If we were in a court that used the principle inocent untill shown guilty, we would have work to do.

We always assume all this stuff happend with no facts, and we feel comfortable because of the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine automaticly means all we teach is accurate.

There must be evidence of all this, even hitler tried to destroy all jews, but 2000 years from now we will all know what happend because there is solid evidence of what he did.
we say constantine or some apostate did something on a larger scale then hitler, we say he some how defiled christianity all over the then known world..not just in rome. And tricked 90 percent of christians all the way down untill today.
Some how even though isreal had an organized religion for many years...and knowone could bring pagan practics into it with out both all isreal knowing about it..and God makeing sure all isreal knew about it. All the way down to the Jews with there organized form of worship, and even though the priests of that time were corupt..there is no record I know of were they brought false gods into the synogogs...also the sacrifices and form of worship was still acceptable to God.
Yet Jesus comes ...and then one of the biggest things in all history happens...someone destroys an intire organized religion, and it remains dead for 2000 years. during that time 2 or 3 people "could have meet together but knowone knows". Somehow an emporor converts to christianity and eledgedly destroys an intire organized WORLD religion.

Now if that was not historic enuff....what is even more historic is that knowone realy knows exactly how he did it? He some how did the perfect crime and left no traces. He somehow like kidnaped all the christians and replaced them with people who worshiped roman mythology under the cover of christianity... And what is even more historic, he would have had " NO REASON TO DO ANY OF THAT" !!!!!
yes this crime has no motive.
The christians were no threat to him, no political benefit would come to him by sideing with this comparitivly small group.
He just one day said I want to corupt a religion for absolutely no reason.

This would make a very interesting mystery novel.[/b]

Early Christians had this book right next to their Bibles! You have to read this book, “ John Foxx’s book of martyrs”.