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Steadfast
10-22-2007, 03:24 PM
There is a document on the web from a group called the OSCE. This is a European NGO group set up to meet concerning anti-Semitism.
The meeting of 2005, held in Cordoba, Spain lists the WT as an NGO that participated in the meeting.
http://osce.usmission.gov/Cordoba/Cordoba_NGOs.pdf
Quote:
<div align="center">REGISTERED FOR </div>
<div align="center">THE OSCE CONFERENCE ON ANTI-SEMITISM AND </div>
<div align="center">ON OTHER FORMS OF INTOLERANCE </div>
<div align="center">(Cordoba, 8 and 9 June 2005)</div>
On page 7 is listed:
'Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (845-306-0711) ALLEN, Gregory'
This document does not specifically mention affiliation with the United Nations, so I did a search and found the OSCE website which stated the following:
'The OSCE mission in Kosovo, the largest OSCE field operation forms a distinct component of the United Nations Interim Administration. It is mandated with institution- and democracy-building and promoting human rights and the rule of law.'
http://www.osce.org/kosovo/
Other links identifying the UN with the OSCE:
http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/1999/sg2338.html
http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2004/ctc1.html
So it would seem that the Jesuit-controlled WT is still bound as an NGO, affiliated with the United Nations, despite their deceptive lies to the contrary.
watchman
10-22-2007, 04:27 PM
Hi Steadfast
Over the past 10 years the WT has set up at least a half dozen NGOs in Europe for various political reasons. For example, there is an Administrative Center for Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. There are JW-related NGOs in France, Poland, Georgia, etc. But these various auxillary NGO's are not directly connected to the UN's DPI, as was the parent NGO, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
However, that is not to say that they are not violating the political neutrality of Jehovah's Witnesses. Obviously the OSCE is a political agency very similar to the UN. As for the OSCE conference in 2005, that was not the first time a representative of the Society attended. I reported in Jehovah Himself Has Become King, in the chapter Strange Bedfellows (http://e-watchman.com/essays/watchtower-united-nations-strange-bedfellows-part-12.html), how the Awake correspondent in Portugal attended the OSCE conference and reported on it in the August 22, 1997, Awake Magazine. Also, in 2000 the Society's satellite NGO, the aforementioned Administrative Center for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, signed a petition to the OSCE with various other politically oriented NGO's. Click here (http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/pressrelease/ngo-petition-23-10-2000-osce2000.html)for link to petition.
Watchman
SlaveForJah
10-22-2007, 04:49 PM
"10 Two sorts of weights and two sorts of e´phah measures—they are both of them together something detestable to Jehovah." - Proverbs 20:10
"16 There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: 17 lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, 18 a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, 19 a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers." - Proverbs 6:16-19
however...
"11 The just indicator and scales belong to Jehovah; all the stone weights of the bag are his work." - Proverbs 16:11
SlaveForJah
watchman
10-22-2007, 04:57 PM
Just as an added thought, on the OSCE petition website the opening paragraph states: "The undersigned NGOs have all valued the Human Dimension meetings, throughout the years and in their various formats, as significant for both governments and NGOs to raise human rights concerns in the participating states. Consequently, they have actively participated in them with reports and interventions, and have been encouraging other NGOs to do likewise."
The above statement, which was issued in the year 2000 while the WT was still associated with DPI, to which the WT's Russian NGO signed, is an admission that the WT headquarters was actively involved in raising human rights awareness. That is, of course, exactly what the UN'S DPI required of the WT and it is why the WT registered itself with the DPI under the classification as an NGO interested in human rights concerns.
Jehovah's Witnesses might naturally assume that the WT would be exclusively dedicated to raising awarness of Jehovah's Kingdom and the issues of God's universal sovereignty, but obviously that has not been the case.
Peter
11-25-2007, 05:13 PM
Just found this on Perimeno's site, thought it would be if interest.
Just some information I recently came across, the Watchtower is still an NGO registered with OSCE. This OSCE conference occurred just this month. http://www.osce.org/conferences/hdim_2007.html
Scroll down to NGOs. JW associated NGOs are numbers 10, 93, 94, 243 and 328.
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007...586_en.pdf (http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007/09/26586_en.pdf)
Also, we "convened" a meeting. Scroll down to September 26, 2007, Room #2, from 13:00-15:00 hours.
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007...609_en.pdf (http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007/07/25609_en.pdf)
Now to some this may not seem a big deal, as it is not the UN, but we must keep in mind that in order to join any organization as an NGO, you must support that organization's charter. Part of this organization's charter is to spread democracy. There is an article on this political organization which goes very light on it *** g97 8/22 p. 31 OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed? **
Now some more of the things which we are required to support in order to join are as follows
Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
CODE OF CONDUCT
ON POLITICO-MILITARY ASPECTS
OF SECURITY
a quote..."The participating States reaffirm the inherent right, as recognized in the Charter of the United Nations, of individual and collective self-defense."
http://www.osce.org/documents/fsc/1994/12/4270_en.pdf
Also it has been shown by a fellow servant of Jehovah that no one, except a government, can "join" the OSCE. Just like the UN, the Warsaw Pact or NATO, it is comprised only of governments. One can petition to become a recognized NGO (NON-governmental organization) in order to obtain standing with the OSCE.
In order to become a recognized NGO, one must declare support for the governing charter.
So they joined to the fullest extent they could possibly join. This is just as bad if not worse than the direct joining of the UN as an NGO, with that we perhaps had an excuse, as given by the society, but this there is no longer any way to avoid the subtle support of these governmental organizations.
Let me know your thoughts on this as it is disturbing.
Thank you for sharing this information. It should be of interest to all the brothers and sisters who are perplexed at the developments within the organization and have a hard time reconciling what Jehovah says about the shepherds of his people and what the shepherds themselves claim to be. After looking up the links that you provided it definitely appears that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is still intend on being friends with the world. The OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) recently held a Conference entitled "Human Dimension Implementation Meeting," in Warsaw, Poland, from September 24 - October 5, 2007. On its official website all members were invited:
Welcome
"The Human Dimension Implementation Meeting is the largest human rights conference in Europe. It is also the only such event where representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing. For two weeks, OSCE delegations, intergovernmental agencies, and NGOs come together to discuss the implementation of OSCE commitments on the protection of human rights, the rule of law, and democracy." — Ambassador Christian Strohal, ODIHR Director.
see http://www.osce.org/conferences/hdim_2007.html
Very interesting how at the OSCE conference the "representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing." Its extensive attendance list also included:
10. Administrative Centre of Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia
ul. Srednyaya, bldg. 6, pos. Solnechnoye; 197739 St. Petersburg; Russian Federation
Web site: http://www.jw-media.org
Mr. Sergey CHEREPANOV, Deputy Chairman
E-mail: sergey.cherepanov@gmail.com
Tel: +7-911-238 88 93
Fax: +7-812-437 09 70
93. European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses
Rue d'Argile, 60; B-1950 Kraainem; Belgium
Web site: http://www.jw-media.org
Mr. Marcel GILLET, Chairman of the Religious Freedom Subcommittee
E-mail: jwitnesses@skynet.be
Tel: +32-2-782 00 15; 785 08 13
Fax: +32-2-782 05 92
Mr. Paul GILLIES, Press Officer
E-mail: paul.gillies@bigfoot.com
Tel: +44-208-906 22 11
Fax: +44-208-906 39 38
94. European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses
IBSA House, The Ridgeway; London NW7 1RN; United Kingdom
Mr. Marc HANSEN, Counsel for Religious Freedom
E-mail: jwitnesses@skynet.be
Tel: +32-2-782 00 15
243. Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses
100 Watchtower Drive; Patterson, NY 12563; U.S.A.
Mr. Gregory ALLEN, Associate General Counsel
E-mail: generalcounsel@jw.org
Tel: +1-845-306 07 11
Fax: +1-845-306 07 09
328. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society - Poland
ul. Warszawska 14; 05-830 Nadarzyn; Poland
Mr. Michal HOSZOWSKI, Public Information Desk Coordinator
E-mail: pad@wtbts.org.pl
Tel: +48-608 575 000
Fax: +48-22-739 19 97
see http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007/09/26586_en.pdf
Of the "OSCE delegations, intergovernmental agencies, and NGOs," that attended the conference, which one did "Jehovah's Witnesses" belong to?
The "TIMETABLE OF THE 2007 HUMAN DIMENSION IMPLEMENTATION MEETING AND SIDE EVENTS AS SUBMITTED BY CONVENORS" lists the many delegates who addressed the conference. Note who is also mentioned among them in Meeting Room 2:
Wednesday 26 September 2007
Morning
10.00-13.00
WORKING SESSION 4
Fundamental freedoms I, including:
Freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief; Freedom of movement.
Moderator : Mr. Jeremy Gunn, Member of the ODIHR Advisory Panel of Experts on Freedom of Religion or belief
Rapporteur: Ms. Neline Koornneef, First Secretary, Netherlands
Lunch, 13.00-15.00
SIDE EVENTS
Meeting Room 1
Title: Implementation of policies on Roma, Sinti and travellers
Convenor: EU- Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA), ODIHR/CPRSI, CoE Roma and Travellers Division
Meeting Room 2
Title: Conscientious Objection to military Service in OSCE Countries
Convenor: European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witness
Meeting Room 3
Title: Turkmenistan: Steps forward, reform?
Convenor: IHF
see http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2007/07/25609_en.pdf
What is the OSCE, what does it stand for and what is its objective? An article in the 1997 AWAKE!, under the heading, "OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed?", said this:
By Awake! correspondent in Portugal
AFTER World War II, a power struggle arose between Western democratic capitalist countries and the Eastern Communist Soviet bloc. Each bloc developed its own security organization: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in the West and the Warsaw Pact in the East.
By 1975 the Cold War had thawed enough for 35 States, including the United States and Russia, to sign what came to be called the Helsinki Agreement. The Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) was born. It was a multilateral forum for dialogue and negotiation between the two blocs.
At the Budapest Summit in 1994, the CSCE changed its name to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Today, it is composed of 54 participating States, including the United States, Canada, and all the countries of the former Soviet Union.
Its Objective
The objective of the member nations of the OSCE is to guarantee the security of Europe as well as to foster the implementation of human rights, disarmament, democratic freedoms and the management of regional conflict.
A summit meeting of the OSCE was held in Lisbon, Portugal, on December 2-3, 1996. At first, attention was focused on NATO, since several NATO members, including the United States, are in favor of the expansion of NATO to include more nations from Central and Eastern Europe. But rather than support the enlargement of NATO to include former Eastern bloc allies, Russia and some of her former Eastern bloc allies want the OSCE to become the forum for matters of European security.
The Russian prime minister, Viktor Chernomyrdin, said at the meeting: "We are in favor of strengthening the OSCE, which is the only place in Europe where all States can work together. It is the best international place for discussing security and defense."
The radiant afternoon sun seemed to create a climate of general optimism at the close of the summit, despite the comments of the press regarding its nebulous results. Whatever success or failure the OSCE may realize, peace lovers everywhere can be assured that true peace and security will soon be realized earth wide under the rule of God's Kingdom.—Psalm 72:1, 7, 8. —g97 8/22 p. 31 OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed? (Bold mine)
From Jehovah's standpoint, is it alright for a worshiper of his to attend conferences of a worldly political organization, such as the OSCE, and address its delegates? Regarding Eusebius, who is highly regarded by many as "The Father of Church History," and who attended the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 C.E., convened by Roman Emperor Constantine, a WATCHTOWER article said this:
Why did Eusebius cave in at the Council of Nicaea and support an unscriptural doctrine? Did he have political objectives in mind? Why did he attend the council in the first place? Although all the bishops were summoned, only a fraction—300—actually attended. Was Eusebius perhaps concerned about preserving his social status? And why did Emperor Constantine regard him very highly? Eusebius sat at the right hand of the emperor at the council.
Apparently Eusebius ignored Jesus' requirement that His followers be "no part of the world." (John 17:16; 18:36) "Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?" asked the disciple James. (James 4:4) And how appropriate is Paul's admonition: "Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers"! (2 Corinthians 6:14) May we remain separate from the world as we "worship [the Father] with spirit and truth."—John 4:24. —w03 7/15 p. 31 Eusebius—"The Father of Church History"?
The above article, quoting from James 4:4, rightly notes that "the friendship with the world is enmity with God," and if this applied to Eusebius back in 325 C.E. then it certainly applies also to us today. Yes, as the scripture goes on to tell us, "Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God."
There is good reason why Jehovah has told his people not to put their trust in the "nobles" among them, nor in "the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." (Psalms 146:3-5; note Jeremiah 17:5-8, 13) The governing body members of Jehovah's witnesses know full well that one "cannot be partaking of the table of Jehovah and the table of demons," without "inciting Jehovah to jealousy." (1 Cor. 10:20-22) Like Eusebius, they have ignored Jesus' requirement that his followers be "no part of the world." In this, have they not made themselves God's enemy, the same as the world, the god of which is Satan! We personally may not be aware of the things being done in secret by the ones we look up to as our leaders, yet they cannot be hid from "him with whom we have an accounting." (2 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 4:13; 1 Tim. 5:24)
"The aged and highly respected one is the head, and the prophet giving false instruction is the tail. And those who are leading this people on prove to be the ones causing [them] to wander; and those of them who are being led on, the ones who are being confused. That is why Jehovah will not rejoice even over their young men, and upon their fatherless boys and upon their widows he will have no mercy; because all of them are apostates and evildoers and every mouth is speaking senselessness. In view of all this his anger has not turned back, but his hand is stretched out still. " —Isaiah 9:15-17.
The apostle Paul foretold that Jehovah's day "will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction." (2 Thess. 2:2-5) The apostasy can only come from within God's own household, in the way that the leaders of God's people in Jeremiah's day apostatized. At that time Jehovah promised that "in the intimate group of my people they will not continue on." (Ezek. 13:9; compare Luke 12:45,46)
This is a time of sifting. Will we be loyal to the "organization" and follow the highly respected ones as the head, no matter where that leads us, or will we put our trust in Jehovah and reject the things he condemns? Are we in harmony with everything that is being done by our "nobles" in God's name, feeling that they can do no wrong, or are we "sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst" of us? (Luke 22:31; Jer. 5:30,31; Ezek 9:4) Our obedience to Jehovah and our faith in his promises is being severely put to the test in the same way that God's people were put to the test in the past, before Jehovah brought his promised blessings upon those who proved faithful and endured. (Deut. 8:2; Dan. 11:35)
It is easy to obey when times are good, but what will our hearts reveal about us when things go contrary to what we expected, when the master seems to be delaying, and we suffer as a result? (Matt. 24:48; Hab. 2:3) Jesus said that he always did the things pleasing to his heavenly Father, yet "he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (John 8:29; Heb. 5:8) We, too, need to learn what it means to be obedient, remaining loyal to Jehovah under suffering. Look, the present circumstances within God's household are already revealing the genuineness of a person's claim to belong to Jehovah, by their love or lack of it. (John 13:34,35; Matt. 7:21-23; 24:12; 1 John 4:20,21) Our troubles come from within the congregations, from those who, in spite of God's warning, continue to put their trust in "the aged and highly respected ones"; and also from those who have forsaken and already removed themselves from God's household and are now vehemently denouncing anyone who remains a part of that household. (1 Tim. 1:5-7, 19,20) One just needs to check in on some of the forums that have sprung up for that purpose to see the hatred expressed towards anyone loyal.
"Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy. For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. So let it grow, for when your endurance is fully developed, you will be perfect and complete, needing nothing." —James 1:2-4; New Living Translation.
Remember that Jehovah long ago foretold the present developments within his household, and at the same time has told us what he will do about it. Let us continue to endure and "not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out." (Gal. 6:9; 1 Peter 4:17-19)
Sketch
11-25-2007, 07:29 PM
However, that is not to say that they are not violating the political neutrality of Jehovah's Witnesses.[/b]
That is not to say that they ARE violating their neutrality either... regardless of who you are, if you are a large group such as the WTS, you at some point MUST deal with the governments and politicians. be it for building codes or arrested publishers. These other NGOs (not of the UN relationship) could just be set up for the WTS to deal with with the local laws and governments - without seeing the paperwork they had to sign, it would be foolish to call them out for something that may very well be okay.
Daniel was in the government of how many different rulers? (3 off the top of my head) he made political decision every day! did THAT violate his neutrality?
I'm not one to excuse the WTS envolvement with the UN, but I am always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt when only one side of the story or in this case, only PART of that side is told.
Berean
11-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Daniel was in the government of how many different rulers? (3 off the top of my head) he made political decision every day! did THAT violate his neutrality?[/b]
This. I think the WTS actually need to be a bit more lenient towards what individual Christians can do. Why do we find it so repulsive that the WTS got involved with the UN, and now the OSCE? Mainly because they themselves equate organizations like these with the Devil. And while I think they associated with the UN for all the wrong reasons, the participation in OSCE meetings might not be a bad thing altogether, if it really serves the purpose of improving human rights. After all, that's what Daniel and Joseph did - they used their positions in secular governments to the advantage of God's people.
watchman
11-26-2007, 02:57 PM
After all, that's what Daniel and Joseph did - they used their positions in secular governments to the advantage of God's people.[/b]
And you could add Esther to that list too, who became Queen of Persia. The difference is that all three of those Jews rose to prominence when they were slaves to various world powers and Israel was without a king. (Israel didn't even exist in Joseph's day) With the coming of Christ there is now a king upon the throne of "Israel." And that is why Jesus demands that his subjects be no part of the world. Even though tthe kingdom did not come in 1914 Christ is still the king and all Christains must be subject to him as their sovereign, otherwise they become apostates.
Another aspect is the Society's dishonesty. Let's say that Bethel's involvement with the UN and with this OSCE outfit were perfectly proper, okay then, why doesn't the WT openly admit it is hobnobing with beaureucrats? How many of Jehovah's Witnesses are even aware that the Society sends representatives to political conferences and that it has numerous NGO's that try to influence opinion and policies of the nations? If JW's know about it they certainly did not hear it from Bethel. They have absolutely decieved Jehovah's Witnesses as to their secret doings with politicians and child abuse payouts.
Watchman
Berean
11-26-2007, 03:43 PM
Oh absolutely, they've been entirely too secretive about their affairs, as they are in many cases. The thing is, they've made life very difficult for themselves, by condemning anything that even reeks of politics. Now they can't just say that they participate in OSCE meetings, even if such a thing would be acceptable to Jehovah. Perhaps this example will teach the WTS not to poke their noses in individual affairs, because sooner or later, it will backfire on them, and they're breaking their own rules.
Sketch
11-26-2007, 03:44 PM
And you could add Esther to that list too, who became Queen of Persia. The difference is that all three of those Jews rose to prominence when they were slaves to various world powers[/b]
Daniel was not a slave when he was moved from one bureacratic position to another after his governmets fell... not even initially as a boy, when captured with the same group as Shadrach, Meshach, & Abindego (sp?). "captive" and "slave" are two different things.
and Israel was without a king. (Israel didn't even exist in Joseph's day) With the coming of Christ there is now a king upon the throne of "Israel."... Even though tthe kingdom did not come in 1914 Christ is still the king..."[/b]
okay... now, i'm lost.... so when exactly did he come back, Robert? i think I have some essays that you could read that say otherwise... you may know of them...
Jinnvisible
11-26-2007, 10:11 PM
<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">There has just been smooth words, smoothing it over.
Sketch
11-27-2007, 01:37 AM
If you come to the conclusion that their has been a betrayal by an element of the leadership expressed by the distribution of UN promotional material by the entire world wide association of Jehovah's people, it also must be concluded that they have not made amends. There have been no public statements to the effect that an apostasy has been admitted. All that seems to have occurred is an end to that particular episode. However if you determine that an admission has not been expressed, wouldn't that also suggest that there has not been a change of course or intent? Those who openly suggest that the NGO affair was an apostasy are labeled as apostates themselves. An element in the leadership has sealed the deal with the NGO situation yet as far as I am aware they are still in positions of oversight.[/b]
so you're saying that the NGO issue is the "great apostacy"?? or the start of it?
btw, per the US Constitution (article 1, Section 9): "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."
politicians can play with words just as well as religious leaders... "rebellion" is pretty much what the US is based on - protests and so on... "Invasion", take your pick. illegals, drugs, terrorists, etc... the list is endless in the mind of a politician. and "Public Safety may require it", well now... this is and other countries have been turning into "Nanny" states for the last 20 years... The US already allows searches without cause if someone is on public assistance. (http://www.sbsun.com/breakingnews/ci_7561975) lets just add "safety" to the reasons they want to stop and check you for something... anything... "sorry sir, we just stopped you to make sure the mirrors in your car are properly aligned. Would you please step out of the car? These handcuffs are for your own protection" Thoughtcrime is only a few years away....
Jinnvisible
11-27-2007, 06:24 AM
so you're saying that the NGO issue is the "great apostacy"?? or the start of it?[/b]
Nope
btw, per the US Constitution (article 1, Section 9): "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."
... this is and other countries have been turning into "Nanny" states for the last 20 years...
"sorry sir, we just stopped you to make sure the mirrors in your car are properly aligned. Would you please step out of the car? These handcuffs are for your own protection" Thoughtcrime is only a few years away....[/b]
Yup
watchman
12-26-2007, 01:55 PM
While doing some research I came across this quote in the WT. Ezekiel 7:27: [b]"According to their way I shall act toward them, and with their judgments I shall judge them; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah."
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Eli's Foe
12-26-2007, 07:24 PM
Isn't it interesting that the WTS still has overtly positive reporting of UN activities on its website?
Take for example this link; http://www.watchtower.org/e/20001208/article_01.htm
What is equally strange is the publication of the UN's Declaration on the rights of the Child on a completely separate webpage here; http://www.watchtower.org/e/20001208/diagram_01.htm
The UN comes in for more positive and unqualified reporting here; http://www.watchtower.org/e/20001208/article_02.htm
and finally in this series http://www.watchtower.org/e/20001208/article_03.htm The endorsement of the UN principles "Under God's Kingdom humans will be enabled to rear children in a balanced way. (Job 33:24-26 (http://java%20script:showCitedScripture()) Young folks will be raised in the spirit of peace and universal brotherhood, the ideal set forth in the UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child. (Psalm 46:8, 9 (http://java%20script:showCitedScripture()) Never again will there be the need for an International Year of the Child or for a Convention on the Rights of the Child."
Isn't it good to know that Jehovah's Kingdom will be the UN's ideals!!
The question is, why are these articles still on the site? One has to suspect that are there to meet a continuing need to show supportive propaganda.
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