Underestimating Babylon The Great?

[Nambo]

Much more knowledge has become available since the societies explaination of Babylon the Great, I understand they view all false religion as BTG, I understand they think she is about to fall.

To control a beast, such as a horse, you sit on it, from there YOU can control the animal and make it go where you want it to.

Babel or Babylon the lessor, was more than just a One World Satanic religion, with a tower on which to defie Jehovah should he ever bring another flood, it was also a One World Government, a Satanic rather than Messianic Kingdom.

So, all the religions the society say make up BTG, and surely they did steer Kingdoms and Governments back in the day, but now?
I work at the Houses of Parliament and can see no evidence of mainstream religions steering Government policy.
So looks like the Societies interpretatation of BLG could indeed fall.

But those of us who have looked behind the scenes see something much bigger and worst than the impotent state religions of today.

Governments are not steering themselves, they still have somebody sitting on them steering them, steering them towards a One World Order, like in Nimrods day, so who is this "Mystery" rider if BTG is now impotent, and if the One World Order of Nimrods day was also a One World Satanic religion, wouldnt it be expected that the New World Order would also have a Satanic religion?

Babylon the Great is said to have a Mystery written on her.

So who today that the society seem unaware of, is steering the Nations towards globalisation and the Satanic UN One World Order?

Not the Catholic Church or the Anglican Church or Islam, it is the same Lucifarian religion of the original Babylon, passed down through the ages to those who except his illumination and are rewarded with the power and money to carry out his bidding.
The high level Freemasons, Caballistic Jews and Illuminati who still practise "Mystery" religions and pass down the Estoric knowledge through the generations.
Those Elite who do control the governments are all known Satanists, so they are following a false religion, they are the ones sitting on the wild beast now steering it towards the counterfiet Kingdom of God.

So, any day now when the mainstream state religions are destroyed, and the society will no doubt announce BTG has fallen, will that be the whole story?
Or will it be the fragmented deceptive fasarde of Babylon the Great that is shead to reveal the true core of pure Babylonish Satan worship?
The climax of Babylon the Greats work through the millenions to get the world united in worshipping Lucifer?, only to have the real fall later, when the Governments see who she really is and the results of her Kingdom over them and so turn on her?

Could be important if we think BTG has fallen and then a new united religion emergies in its place, we could be mislead if we think false religion is finished, could result in something like whats in my signature.

[Jeshurun]

Amazing post, brother Nambo, and quite thought provoking. Since learning of the influence of secret societies, that they have been plotting the course of mankind since ancient Babylon, it would seem that Jehovah must have included them in prophecy somewhere, maybe even right under our noses. This post requires some study, but it does go hand in hand with thoughts that I've had recently. Everything you have brought up makes sense, however the Revelation makes it clear that Babylon the Great is utterly destroyed while the kings are standing at a distance. Perhaps as you said it has something to do with the "mystery". Anyone else have any thoughts about this?

[Steadfast]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I don't believe the call of Revelation 18:4 to get out of Babylon the Great has gone out yet as Revelation is a tribulation book.

The one world government-one world religion will become a reality under the beasts depicted in Revelation 13, so I see the whore of Babylon as the one world religion riding the back of the one world government when they come to full power during the tribulation.

It will be interesting to see how religion as we know it will change. Will it be completely destroyed by the beast, or will it morph into the Gaia worship that is the basis of the one world religion where proselytizing will be prohibited?

I find the New World Order-Secret Society information very compelling as it explains the reality of Bible prophecy and just how all-encompassing Satan's plan really is.

Love, :Love:

Steadfast

[Cephalon]

Nambo,

To tell you the truth I never really paid attention or give much thought to the Iluminati, secret societies or any of this sort of thing, but what you have written is really quite thought provoking. Maybe I'll follow this tread along
Great post.

Cephalon

[Nambo]

Nambo,

To tell you the truth I never really paid attention or give much thought to the Iluminati, secret societies or any of this sort of thing, but what you have written is really quite thought provoking. Maybe I'll follow this tread along
Great post.

Cephalon[/b]

Hi Cephalon, if you want, myself or any of the above posters can give you links to sites that look deeply into this stuff, just PM us.
Be aware though, that secret truth can be hidden amongst what is called dis-information, such as you will find some who state the Royal Family are really Lizards etc, this will generally put people off the whole lot.
Look at each bit of info as part of a jigsaw, make sure it fits in with all the other parts, especially the Bible parts.

Heres a link from the House of Commons Hansard http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2007-01-15b.115142.h

You will have to look up Bilderberg to find out who they are if you dont allready know.
This is now the third time that Norman Baker MP has asked about member ship in the House of Commons, firstly he asked Tony Blair, then another top Minister, now the Treasury.
The House of Lords are asking similar questions.

Interesting how Tony Blairs son has been invited to go to Yale where he will doubtless be asked to join Bushs Skull and Bones Frat club.

[Cephalon]

Thanks Nambo for the link

[olrono]

<div class='quotemain'>Nambo,

To tell you the truth I never really paid attention or give much thought to the Iluminati, secret societies or any of this sort of thing, but what you have written is really quite thought provoking. Maybe I&#39;ll follow this tread along
Great post.

Cephalon[/b]

Hi Cephalon, if you want, myself or any of the above posters can give you links to sites that look deeply into this stuff, just PM us.
Be aware though, that secret truth can be hidden amongst what is called dis-information, such as you will find some who state the Royal Family are really Lizards etc, this will generally put people off the whole lot.
Look at each bit of info as part of a jigsaw, make sure it fits in with all the other parts, especially the Bible parts.

Heres a link from the House of Commons Hansard http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2007-01-15b.115142.h

You will have to look up Bilderberg to find out who they are if you dont allready know.
This is now the third time that Norman Baker MP has asked about member ship in the House of Commons, firstly he asked Tony Blair, then another top Minister, now the Treasury.
The House of Lords are asking similar questions.

Interesting how Tony Blairs son has been invited to go to Yale where he will doubtless be asked to join Bushs Skull and Bones Frat club.
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Don’t be surprised, there really is a method to their madness when referred to as Lizards, Reptilians, etc. They, as a brotherhood, know they all worship Lucifer. The Original SERPENT, the Great DRAGON! (Never saw that, did ya?)

[olrono]

Why do you suppose the Logo for “Apple Computer” is an ‘Apple with a ‘bite’ taken out?

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

Hi Everyone,

whilst I find the original post fascinating and the responses interesting. The post does betray that the writer has not studied the essay, commentaries or the book by e-watchman. When you take the time to study the book of Revelation in the context of the other prophets the true nature of the harlot, and her influence over the eighth king of revelation namely the UN, becomes very clear. I can only suggest you review the site in detail. I only say this out of concern for you, as a knowledge of what will befall us all, is of the utmost importance and we must take the opportunity now to gain an undestanding. I commend this to you.

EF

[olrono]

Hi Everyone,

whilst I find the original post fascinating and the responses interesting. The post does betray that the writer has not studied the essay, commentaries or the book by e-watchman. When you take the time to study the book of Revelation in the context of the other prophets the true nature of the harlot, and her influence over the eighth king of revelation namely the UN, becomes very clear. I can only suggest you review the site in detail. I only say this out of concern for you, as a knowledge of what will befall us all, is of the utmost importance and we must take the opportunity now to gain an undestanding. I commend this to you.

EF[/b]

All false religion comes from “The Mysteries of Babylon” whether we are talking about the Catholic Church, the Trinity doctrine, The Order of the Golden Dawn, the religion of Free Masonry, even the United Nations. All false Religion comes by way of the Babylonian Mysteries, thus coming from Satan himself! (The UN is a religion to these people, in concept and reality.)

[Nambo]

Hi Everyone,

whilst I find the original post fascinating and the responses interesting. The post does betray that the writer has not studied the essay, commentaries or the book by e-watchman. When you take the time to study the book of Revelation in the context of the other prophets the true nature of the harlot, and her influence over the eighth king of revelation namely the UN, becomes very clear. I can only suggest you review the site in detail. I only say this out of concern for you, as a knowledge of what will befall us all, is of the utmost importance and we must take the opportunity now to gain an undestanding. I commend this to you.

EF[/b]

Hi EF,
You are quite right, allthough Ive read a couple of Watchmans essays and just started reading Jehovah himself has become King, I guess I want to explore how I perceive things independantly so that I can then see how it compares with Roberts work before Iam influenced by his interpretations.
With the hope they match therefore making it beyond doubt to me.

Iam exploring my freedom of not having to belive as "fact" all the stiff the Watchtower fed me at the moment.

Please do though enlighten me and others as this is the purpose of these threads to share ideas in order to refine each others viewpoint.

At the moment, with the knowledge I have of the Illuminati/United Nations age of Aquarious New Age Babylonion religion they wont to bestow on us, once they have removed Christianity and Islam, knowledge that the Watchtower never even mentions, worry that when the mainstream churches like the Catholics Islam etc etc are swept away, the Watchtower is bound to think ans proclaim that Babylon the Great and all false religion has gone, when in reality we will be seeing the purest form of Satanic worship since Babel itself!

[Jeshurun]

[when the mainstream churches like the Catholics Islam etc etc are swept away, the Watchtower is bound to think ans proclaim that Babylon the Great and all false religion has gone, when in reality we will be seeing the purest form of Satanic worship since Babel itself![/b]

This is exactly what has me confused and why I haven&#39;t gotten back to this thread. I&#39;ve been re-reading the essays, because even though I&#39;ve read them all, and some more than once, I still have not digested it all. And then when you go exploring the links, you could spend an entire week reading a single essay.

If Babylon the Great is turned upon and devoured by the beast, how could the New Age Religion exist? Is it a separate entity? Or does it mean that the 8th king will abandon that also and just go forth on its rampage fully exposed as the Luciferian Antichrist? Who would knowingly follow that???

I&#39;m totally lost on this at the moment but still reading trying to find the answer.

Lou

[Nambo]

<div class='quotemain'>[when the mainstream churches like the Catholics Islam etc etc are swept away, the Watchtower is bound to think ans proclaim that Babylon the Great and all false religion has gone, when in reality we will be seeing the purest form of Satanic worship since Babel itself![/b]

This is exactly what has me confused and why I haven&#39;t gotten back to this thread. I&#39;ve been re-reading the essays, because even though I&#39;ve read them all, and some more than once, I still have not digested it all. And then when you go exploring the links, you could spend an entire week reading a single essay.

If Babylon the Great is turned upon and devoured by the beast, how could the New Age Religion exist? Is it a separate entity? Or does it mean that the 8th king will abandon that also and just go forth on its rampage fully exposed as the Luciferian Antichrist? Who would knowingly follow that???

I&#39;m totally lost on this at the moment but still reading trying to find the answer.

Lou
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Hi Lou, I think you havnt graspted the point I was trying to make, not that when mainstream Churches are destroyed that "that" act is governments destroying Babylon the Great, to be followed by another.

No, Iam saying when the Illuminati seep away thier state religions in order to reveal the Masonic New Age religion, that the Watchtower will THINK its the final fall of Babylon the Great and tell all the Witnesses that that is the end of Babylon the Great when in fact it isnt, just a morping into its true identity.

The danger being, if Witnesses are told no more false religion, the guiding hand of the Watchtower being no more, and then Witnesses see a Unified seemingly Messianic Kingdom appearing and claiming to be Gods Kingdom and run from Jerusalem, they might think its the real Gods Kingdom!

Whats the scripture that says even some of the Holy ones will be mislead.


Maybe it wont come to this but just as real as the Illuminati and One World Order, is thier Satanic Anti-Christ New Age religion, and after all, isnt that what Satan really wants, for us to worship him?

And maybe that will be the final test for us, do we worship Satans Kingdom or Jesus Kingdom?
Best to consider all scenarios so we may not be decieved.

Maybe BTG does just refer to the State religions Biblically, but it wont be the end of Devil Worship if it is.

[Jeshurun]

The "disgusting thing standing in a holy place" is a future event.

The "transgression causing desolation" has already and/or is now taking place.

If the harlot is devastated and burned, it can only mean that the entire conspiracy to rebuild Babylon is thwarted by Jehovah. That can only mean that at some point, the 8th king moves forward under no guises, he has been fully exposed as coming from Satan, or the Antichrist. But, at the time of the harlot&#39;s desolation, Jesus must be warning the Witnesses to get out of her. This can only mean that once the beast rises out of the abyss, the Watchtower will somehow align itself to it politically and spiritually. Could this be right???

I can&#39;t imagine it, so somebody please shoot it down.

Lou

[Molly]

Hello All-

It would appear that the first order of business is when Michael battles with the dragon and is hurled to the earth. Obviously his hatred at that time will no no bounds which is why he immediately goes off to "persecute the woman that gave birth to the male child." (Rev.12:13) From the perspective of mankind this will result in what is stated at Luke 21:12. "But before all these things people will lay their hands upon you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, you being haled before kings and governors for the sake of my name." "Before all these things is before the nations rising against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms. In other words - first. As verse 20 says, "Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21) Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her, 22) because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled." The attack on the house of God is first, because after trying to destroy God&#39;s woman, Rev. 12:17 says, And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the mommandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." Then Rev 13 notes the ascendancy of the wild beast from the sea, and authority to act for 42 months was given to it. Then it blasphemed against God and verse 7 says, " And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 8) And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it; the name of not one of them stands written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered from the founding of the world."

At that point in time the beast will require worship and that is when Babylon the Great will degenerate to the occult. After all, people will have no choice but to worship as the dragon sees fit. Former denominations will become moot.

Molly

[Jeshurun]

The danger being, if Witnesses are told no more false religion, the guiding hand of the Watchtower being no more, and then Witnesses see a Unified seemingly Messianic Kingdom appearing and claiming to be Gods Kingdom and run from Jerusalem, they might think its the real Gods Kingdom![/b]

I&#39;m going to maintain some degree of faith that the Watchtower has done a better job than this of educating people. It seems that just as the tribulation gets under way, the Watchtower is exposed as a false prophet. Maybe it isn&#39;t such a waste of time for the Revelation Climax book to be studied 57 times. At least they have a lot of it memorized. I don&#39;t think it will take a rocket scientist to figure it out on the fly once they realize that none of it has been fulfilled yet. At the very least, it should pop into their heads that the beast has a reign of 42 months. Being in sackcloth surely means that there won&#39;t be any bonafide "second coming" sightings to the general public. Hopefully that&#39;s where all of us come in, to get the word out to them and help sort things out.

The most important thing will be to refrain from accepting the "mark".

I was thinking of starting up a new thread to discuss how the "mark" might manifest itself, and how would we distinguish what constitutes "worship". It might start out as something vague and seemingly innocuous.

[Molly]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>[when the mainstream churches like the Catholics Islam etc etc are swept away, the Watchtower is bound to think ans proclaim that Babylon the Great and all false religion has gone, when in reality we will be seeing the purest form of Satanic worship since Babel itself![/b]

This is exactly what has me confused and why I haven&#39;t gotten back to this thread. I&#39;ve been re-reading the essays, because even though I&#39;ve read them all, and some more than once, I still have not digested it all. And then when you go exploring the links, you could spend an entire week reading a single essay.

If Babylon the Great is turned upon and devoured by the beast, how could the New Age Religion exist? Is it a separate entity? Or does it mean that the 8th king will abandon that also and just go forth on its rampage fully exposed as the Luciferian Antichrist? Who would knowingly follow that???

I&#39;m totally lost on this at the moment but still reading trying to find the answer.

Lou
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Hi Lou, I think you havnt graspted the point I was trying to make, not that when mainstream Churches are destroyed that "that" act is governments destroying Babylon the Great, to be followed by another.

No, Iam saying when the Illuminati seep away thier state religions in order to reveal the Masonic New Age religion, that the Watchtower will THINK its the final fall of Babylon the Great and tell all the Witnesses that that is the end of Babylon the Great when in fact it isnt, just a morping into its true identity.

The danger being, if Witnesses are told no more false religion, the guiding hand of the Watchtower being no more, and then Witnesses see a Unified seemingly Messianic Kingdom appearing and claiming to be Gods Kingdom and run from Jerusalem, they might think its the real Gods Kingdom!

Whats the scripture that says even some of the Holy ones will be mislead.


Maybe it wont come to this but just as real as the Illuminati and One World Order, is thier Satanic Anti-Christ New Age religion, and after all, isnt that what Satan really wants, for us to worship him?

And maybe that will be the final test for us, do we worship Satans Kingdom or Jesus Kingdom?
Best to consider all scenarios so we may not be decieved.

Maybe BTG does just refer to the State religions Biblically, but it wont be the end of Devil Worship if it is.
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Hi Nambo-

I think that you are on the right track here. The WTS goes down and then the other denominations "morph", as you say into the New Age religion. Then the warring is cut short on account of the holy ones. Then, Babylon the Great goes down (as I see it at present) at the end of the 42 months after having killed the holy ones.

Molly

[Nambo]

Further to this idea is the aspect of the merchants who became rich by her and who mourn at her downfall, Rev 18 " 11 (http://) “Also, the traveling merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full stock anymore, 12 (http://) a full stock of gold and silver and precious stone and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet; and everything in scented wood and every sort of ivory object and every sort of object out of most precious wood and of copper and of iron and of marble; 13 (http://) also cinnamon and Indian spice and incense and perfumed oil and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and horses and coaches and slaves and human souls. 14 (http://) Yes, the fine fruit that your soul desired has departed from you, and all the dainty things and the gorgeous things have perished from you, and never again will people find them.

15 (http://) “The traveling merchants of these things, who became rich from her, "


Now, though religion became rich in the past and doubtless merchants benifited, what of modern State religions, do merchants of today make so much money from religion that they will weep and mourn if religion wqs suddenly banned?


Now Ive just been reading about the CIA and how so many modern wars, juntas and dictatorships have been set up by the CIA, and how the CIA is very much in bed with big business and corperations who benefit greatly by such artificial changes in foriegn governments.

So, if we consider the CIA not to be for the benefit of the American people, but for the benefit of the rich elite who we also suspect to be behind the Satanic New World Order which I am suggesting is the climatic part of BTG, if the organisations of the NWO where to fall, the big international merchants such as Haliburton, would have a lot more reason to weep and mourn than if they could no longer sell Christmas cards?